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The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-14-2003, 06:48 AM

Indeed it is. That was quick.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-14-2003, 07:10 AM

Like answer, like solver. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Here's another:

Short elf lord has edge over standard elf.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-17-2003, 06:45 PM

Surely it's not that difficult ...

Silmarien · 10-20-2003, 05:54 AM

Elrond?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-20-2003, 11:07 AM

Nope, not Elrond. Think of another Elven Lord for the first, cryptic, part of the clue.

The answer is the name of another Elf, although I'm not sure that he was actually an Elven Lord.

Telchar · 10-20-2003, 11:14 AM

Earendil/Cirdan ?

Sleepy Ranger · 10-20-2003, 12:55 PM

Can I join in?
I think its Maeglin.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-21-2003, 12:13 PM

No and no.

And in any event I am not accepting any answer which does not explain its reasoning ... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Finwe · 10-21-2003, 01:35 PM

Gildor because he was the only one who had "-dor" in his name, whereas many other Elf lords had "Gil" in their name.

(I'm heavily dosed on allergy medication, so work with me. )

Turambar · 10-21-2003, 02:35 PM

I'm not getting what Saucepan means by "edge". [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Telchar · 10-21-2003, 03:21 PM

Ok I know that this is not it as Saucepans keeps saying 'he' and 'elflord', but its amazing how well it fits Arwen (halfelven) who has a 'swordedge' over Galadriel in Eomers mind [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

I dont think Saucepans could mean Tuor over Maeglin, although Tuor did throw Maeglin over the edge of Caragdûr, as Tuor was never 'Halfelven' ???

[ October 21, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Turambar · 10-21-2003, 07:31 PM

Telchar - you're interpreting short elf as "halfelven" but couldn't it also mean an elf lord with one or more letters removed?

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-21-2003, 08:11 PM

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I'm not getting what Saucepan means by "edge".

Think of another word for "edge".

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... but couldn't it also mean an elf lord with one or more letters removed?

It could indeed, Turambar. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ October 21, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Turambar · 10-22-2003, 07:43 AM

Synonyms for edge: border, brim, brink, fringe, hem, margin, perimeter, periphery, skirt, verge.

I'm guessing that "border" is the culprit.

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-22-2003, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Synonyms for edge: border, brim, brink, fringe, hem, margin, perimeter, periphery, skirt, verge.

Correct. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Turambar · 10-22-2003, 08:07 AM

You're in a [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] mood today!

OK, elf lords: Elwë or Thingol, Cirdan, Olwë, Elrond . . .

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-22-2003, 05:16 PM

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Elwë or Thingol, Cirdan, Olwë, Elrond . . .

Nope, none of those.

Hint: The word "standard" is an important clue to the identity of the Elf whose name is the answer to the question ...

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-24-2003, 09:29 PM

A "short" Elven Lord has (ie takes in) a synonym for "edge" to give a "standard" Elf.

Come on, I'm practically giving it away here. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Nuranar · 10-28-2003, 11:25 PM

Just stumbled across this and couldn't resist capitalizing on everyone else's hard work. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Celebrimbor.

Start with the Elven Lord Celeborn. Shorten by subtracting "n" and add "brim," a synonym for edge, and you have Celebrimbor.

Turambar · 10-29-2003, 07:46 AM

Thanks Nuranar, that one was driving me nuts.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-29-2003, 08:42 AM

At last! Well done Nuranar, and it's good to see you here. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Standard Elf - geddit! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Nuranar · 10-29-2003, 06:40 PM

Good deal - glad I wasn't spoiling anyone's fun. But no - I still don't get "Standard Elf" - what's up with that? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] (A most humiliating confession to have to make, I assure you.)

This is my first attempt, so bear with me. I'm sure it's way too easy. (The only other possibility is that it's way too far-fetched...but that should only be an enticement to you champion cryptic clue-ers, eh? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img])

One of many between the evergreen and the Spanish main.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-31-2003, 11:23 AM

Could it be Fíriel? One (i) between an evergreen (fir) and the usual Spanish word for 'the' (el).

Nuranar · 10-31-2003, 12:19 PM

Nope. Good guess, though...

Turambar · 11-03-2003, 10:16 AM

Firimar (elvish, mortals)

Nuranar · 11-03-2003, 04:19 PM

Absolutely. Your turn! *tag* [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Turambar · 11-06-2003, 11:54 AM

With anger lessened, eat at the end point in the path.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-06-2003, 03:58 PM

Anger lessened: Remove W from Wrath to get Rath
Eat: Dine
At end point: N (for North)

Giving Rath Dinen, the Street of Silence in Minas Tirith.

Turambar · 11-06-2003, 04:11 PM

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Thank you Turambar. Sorry, folks, forgot about this one.

Next clue should be easy ...

Large fish from river grabbed diminutive adventurer

Finwe · 11-11-2003, 08:09 PM

Bilbo Baggins?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-11-2003, 11:03 PM

Smeagol?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-12-2003, 12:39 AM

No, wait. It must be Sharkey.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-12-2003, 07:26 PM

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Bilbo Baggins?

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Smeagol?

Too literal.

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It must be Sharkey.

I can see where you are coming from, Nilpaurion, but that's not it.

Keep them coming. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Finwe · 11-12-2003, 07:42 PM

This just came to me, but could it be Aragorn?

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-13-2003, 07:29 AM

No, it couldn't. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Estanesse · 11-13-2003, 08:16 AM

is it Sam

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 11-13-2003, 02:59 PM

Isengar Took?

The large fish is a gar, the river is the Isen and 'grabbed' means 'took', the whole being a diminutive seafaring adventurer.

Turambar · 11-14-2003, 07:55 AM

These are always so obvious. Once you're told the answer. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-14-2003, 08:46 AM

Spot on, Squatter. Fire away. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

10-14-2003, 06:48 AM	#161
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Indeed it is. That was quick. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-14-2003, 07:10 AM	#162
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Like answer, like solver. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Here's another: Short elf lord has edge over standard elf. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-17-2003, 06:45 PM	#163
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Surely it's not that difficult ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-20-2003, 05:54 AM	#164
Silmarien Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lost but Found Posts: 199	Elrond? __________________ Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!

10-20-2003, 11:07 AM	#165
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nope, not Elrond. Think of another Elven Lord for the first, cryptic, part of the clue. The answer is the name of another Elf, although I'm not sure that he was actually an Elven Lord. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-20-2003, 11:14 AM	#166
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Earendil/Cirdan ? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-20-2003, 12:55 PM	#167
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Can I join in? I think its Maeglin. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

10-21-2003, 12:13 PM	#168
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No and no. And in any event I am not accepting any answer which does not explain its reasoning ... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-21-2003, 01:35 PM	#169
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Gildor because he was the only one who had "-dor" in his name, whereas many other Elf lords had "Gil" in their name. (I'm heavily dosed on allergy medication, so work with me. ) __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

10-21-2003, 02:35 PM	#170
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I'm not getting what Saucepan means by "edge". [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-21-2003, 03:21 PM	#171
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Ok I know that this is not it as Saucepans keeps saying 'he' and 'elflord', but its amazing how well it fits Arwen (halfelven) who has a 'swordedge' over Galadriel in Eomers mind [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I dont think Saucepans could mean Tuor over Maeglin, although Tuor did throw Maeglin over the edge of Caragdûr, as Tuor was never 'Halfelven' ??? [ October 21, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-21-2003, 07:31 PM	#172
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Telchar - you're interpreting short elf as "halfelven" but couldn't it also mean an elf lord with one or more letters removed? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-22-2003, 07:43 AM	#174
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Synonyms for edge: border, brim, brink, fringe, hem, margin, perimeter, periphery, skirt, verge. I'm guessing that "border" is the culprit. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-22-2003, 08:07 AM	#176
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	You're in a [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] mood today! OK, elf lords: Elwë or Thingol, Cirdan, Olwë, Elrond . . . __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-24-2003, 09:29 PM	#178
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	A "short" Elven Lord has (ie takes in) a synonym for "edge" to give a "standard" Elf. Come on, I'm practically giving it away here. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-28-2003, 11:25 PM	#179
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Just stumbled across this and couldn't resist capitalizing on everyone else's hard work. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Celebrimbor. Start with the Elven Lord Celeborn. Shorten by subtracting "n" and add "brim," a synonym for edge, and you have Celebrimbor. __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

10-29-2003, 07:46 AM	#180
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Thanks Nuranar, that one was driving me nuts. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-29-2003, 08:42 AM	#181
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	At last! Well done Nuranar, and it's good to see you here. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Standard Elf - geddit! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-29-2003, 06:40 PM	#182
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Good deal - glad I wasn't spoiling anyone's fun. But no - I still don't get "Standard Elf" - what's up with that? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] (A most humiliating confession to have to make, I assure you.) This is my first attempt, so bear with me. I'm sure it's way too easy. (The only other possibility is that it's way too far-fetched...but that should only be an enticement to you champion cryptic clue-ers, eh? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) One of many between the evergreen and the Spanish main. __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

10-31-2003, 11:23 AM	#183
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Could it be Fíriel? One (i) between an evergreen (fir) and the usual Spanish word for 'the' (el). __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-31-2003, 12:19 PM	#184
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Nope. Good guess, though... __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

11-03-2003, 10:16 AM	#185
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Firimar (elvish, mortals) __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

11-03-2003, 04:19 PM	#186
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Absolutely. Your turn! tag [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

11-06-2003, 11:54 AM	#187
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	With anger lessened, eat at the end point in the path. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

11-06-2003, 03:58 PM	#188
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Anger lessened: Remove W from Wrath to get Rath Eat: Dine At end point: N (for North) Giving Rath Dinen, the Street of Silence in Minas Tirith. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-06-2003, 04:11 PM	#189
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	__________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

11-11-2003, 12:58 PM	#190
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thank you Turambar. Sorry, folks, forgot about this one. Next clue should be easy ... Large fish from river grabbed diminutive adventurer __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-11-2003, 08:09 PM	#191
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Bilbo Baggins? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-11-2003, 11:03 PM	#192
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Smeagol? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-12-2003, 12:39 AM	#193
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	No, wait. It must be Sharkey. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-12-2003, 07:42 PM	#195
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	This just came to me, but could it be Aragorn? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-13-2003, 07:29 AM	#196
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, it couldn't. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-13-2003, 08:16 AM	#197
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	is it Sam __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-13-2003, 02:59 PM	#198
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Isengar Took? The large fish is a gar, the river is the Isen and 'grabbed' means 'took', the whole being a diminutive seafaring adventurer. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-14-2003, 07:55 AM	#199
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	These are always so obvious. Once you're told the answer. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.