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03-23-2010, 08:55 PM | #161 |
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Lommy was a Seer!wolf, not the village Seer. I'm not sure why you think it's possible she may have dreamed of Izzy based on that quote. Why would Lommywolf say something positive about someone she had dreamed? She would only want to lynch or Night-kill them.
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I..er...wow. That's...wow. Such the bloodbath last night.
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Another correction. A wolf!seer only learns the gift of an innocent dreamee. At least that's how the modesses edited first admin post reads.
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Elfie dear, never take what I say when I'm arguing with Hakon seriously. Listen to the Admin thread, minions, Seer!wolves can see gifteds...
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I just lost the game.
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03-24-2010, 12:25 AM | #168 |
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...*facepalm*
Oh, and for all you people who aren't a Lover: Muahaha.
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03-24-2010, 01:02 AM | #169 |
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Sorry about that, Sally (and Shasta).
I thought your lover-hinting seemed too obvious to be real. *is an idiot* *a dead idiot* *shuts up*
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03-24-2010, 01:07 AM | #171 |
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I'm so confused as to why the dead people are posting on the thread but I'm not against it.
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03-24-2010, 01:09 AM | #172 |
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MY LOVE! *attack!glomps, holds onto you tightly*
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I must say that I didn't really believe this will happen, but as it's been said, at least there was one less kill than there might have been (resp. two less, although in such a case there would be at least one dead Wolf). If I were to find something positive about the situation, it's that a) there's been this both-packs-doing the same, which, if they are attacking Nogrod toNight again, will reduce the kills and with good luck one of the packs might be eliminated by a few Days (like by two Days), so there will be no double Night kills - that's not so much of a consolation, but anyway; b) such a thing will not repeat itself (at least not without at least one Wolf going down as well), c) there are still two Unicorns, so there are effectively +2 innocents in the game still.
Anyway, yesterDay was luck, for that matter, looking from the light of it, maybe Nogrod was really right to choose to act at this moment rather than later, because looking at the last Night's events, he might have been as well dead by now if he didn't reveal. So, good job, Nog! And maybe the timing was good too, as there was not much time for discussion (and I do not pity the unanimous voting list, as, honestly, we won't learn *that* much from the votes anyway with this kind of... people in the village). That said, I am inclined to trust Nogrod. There is like a tiny possibility that he might be a WolfSeer, but it's basically illogical, as in a game like this there is NO reason for pretending to be a Seer in order to survive, as somebody will always want to kill you sooner or later (and if you are fake, somebody will counter-reveal). Unless he'd be really playing it kamikaze in hope that the game will end in two Days or something, but I don't believe that'd happen. And we'll see for 100% toMorrow, I'd just hope to think that the Ranger had bluffed. Quote:
Shasta does not get a revenge kill, right? Wait, so there are no Ordos at this point anymore? Wonderful. But that'd mean there was only one Ordo to begin with? (Poor Morsul ) What I find quite curious, however, is the choice of Nerwen by both packs, I think I will look through yesterDay. As in: was there no other choice for any of them? I don't think there's a good deal to know whom Lommy dreamed about, but I am not sure if that knowledge would be any good to us either. And now, okay, even though I feel I should not quote dead people, I feel like a total idiot as well, because I haven't noticed any lover hints at all, where everybody else seems to have noticed.
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I don't think a LommySeerWolf would be too obvious about her dreams, though I suppose it depends on the dream. Could be that she dreamt of Nerwen and that's why she said the whole "lynch her" thing. But really I doubt the evil seer made any hint, atleast regarding her dream, that could be helpful. Another thought though, considering the last game I wouldn't be surprised if both wolf seers dreamt of Nerwen Night 1, and that's why both sides went for her last Night. *really wants Nogs dream now plz*
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I think trying to divine her dream is basically not useful to us. For what it's worth, maybe it was Shasta. That's who she voted for, I think.
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03-24-2010, 08:31 AM | #178 |
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Just letting everyone know that I have to work today and my shift ends well after DL, and I likely won't be able to come on at work. So my vote will come in less than 4 hours, and than that will be all from me.
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I have a little time on my lunch break to say a few things. One being I'm going to be at the school verrrry late today. I don't think I'll be able to get back here until about 7, so please don't leave me lots of drivel to sift through 2 hours before the DL? Kthanks.
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The only thing I could gleam from Lommy's posts are Shasta was probably innocent because of her vote for him. However, that's moot now. As far as Nog, I seriously did not doubt you were the real seer at all yesterday (ok, that's a lie. Perhaps I did a little...think you were the wolf-hunter giving up a member of the rival pack and trying to get the real seer out so you kill him/her). I was hoping to stage a fight between us, and make it look like I'd go against you if you weren't attacked yesterday. However, seeing as it looks like no one is jumping for that bait, and are going to be content with trying their luck at killing you tonight.... I doubted, and hence my frustration, what the heck you were doing. I was under the impression with this many wolves the seer would want to get as many dreams as possible and not come out and reveal for no reason on Day 1. I see why you did it now though, I vastly under-estimated the amount of death that was possible at night. I mean the packs went for the same one and still look what happened! The fortunate thing is, since they did go for Nerwen, they can't and won't trust eachother. Also, looks like we have 2 different packs, but both operating under the same ideas/reasons, and hence both went after the same person.
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03-24-2010, 09:13 AM | #180 |
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I went back to read all the posts AFTER Nogrod pegs Lommy as a wolf in the hopes maybe one of her packmates slipped up. I ignored posts by Shasta, Sally, Nerwen, and Morsul.
Wilwa: Believes him to be the seer, seeing that it makes sense for an innocent seer to reveal as he did rather than run the risk of being killed in the night. In a later post she defends Nogrod's reveal from Sally and Boro. Legate: Placed Nogrod in his yellow area, but he also admitted he didn't have the time to recheck the thread before turning in for the night. He placed Lommy in his green section. At the end of his post he added an edit about having seen what Nogrod revealed. Boro: Asks if a wolf seer would reveal so soon. Puts forth several possibilities to other avenues. (such as wolf seer trying to look good, non-wolf seer trying to benefit his pack, I'm guessing he means lead the village away from the real wolf seer.) In a later post explains why he didn't want to jump on board and trust Nogrod without considering other options. Izzy: Seems to agree with Wilwa and trusts Nogrod. Feels Legate is buttering Nog up. Zil: Trusts Nogrod it looks like, but finds it unusual that he revealed when he was in no danger. Pitch: Believes Nogrod to be a seer because no one would be foolish enough to lead us to lynch an innocent. TEW: Knows it's a seer claim, nothing else really said. Conclusions: Wilwa: At first I was wary because she so readily agreed with Nogrod. But as I read on in her posts after that initial one she made good points as to why an innocent Nogrod would reveal so soon. Her continued defense of his reveal speaks more innocent to me than wolfish. Boro: I like that Boro considered other options as to Nogrod being a wolf revealing to look good. I'm inclined to trust for this because he continued to defend this position that he didn't want to enthusiastically jump into believing Nogrod without giving it some thought. The fact that Wilwa and Boro both felt strongly enough in one direction or the other that they kept defending their points rather than just agreeing and voting makes me think more innocent at this point. Legate: Didn't have time to really react in full to the reveal, but his brief reaction was suspect to me. He immediately glomped onto Nogrod it looked like and had a sort of "oh darn I was wrong about you and Lommy" all along. TEW, Zil, Pitch, and Izzy: All are hard to read not giving much away after Nogrod's reveal. For the most part all fall into "Nogrod is telling the truth because why would he lie so early?" category. Legate falls into this too, but his "you were right, I was wrong" edit in his vote post seemed forced. Unfortunately I can't come home from work on my lunch break to vote. There hasn't been a whole lot of activity today either and I was in a time crunch so I could only focus on a small number of posts. But here's my vote. ++ Legate Of all those that reacted after the reveal of Nogrod his seemed the most forced. It looked as though he was trying to pull himself closer to Nogrod and distant himself from Lommy. Possible packmates? Best of luck for the rest of the day.
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1. The part about the stupidity of getting an innocent lynched with a fake reveal was my reason for believing that Lommy was indeed a wolf; and if whosoever gives us a wolf, we lynch the wolf and worry about the Seer-claimant later. 2. My reason to believe that Nog is a Seer (and not a masquerading Hunter or something else) is simple psychology - as in, when I saw he claimed to have dreamed Lommy I immediately thought "Of course he would", it's just like him to pick her for his first dream. That last post of mine was made in a bit of a hurry before going to bed, and I was quite tired by then, so maybe I didn't express myself that clearly. Now the remaining question is whether Nog is the village Seer or the surviving wolf-Seer; only time will tell, I suppose, but as long as we don't know, let's follow wilwa's good advice from yesterDay: trust his wolf dreams, be wary about his innocent dreams. If his wolves conveniently happen to be all from the same pack, however, that might be reason to worry about his alignment. Just to make myself completely understood: I honestly wish and hope Nog is our true Seer, I'm just not prepared to utterly rule out the other possibility, however unlikely it may seem. Going to look a bit at Lommy's interactions now.
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wilwa, about the Unicorns - I believe I've already quoted the pertinent passage from the Admin thread, but once more:
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03-24-2010, 12:18 PM | #184 |
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Okay. Finally here for a short while.
If you Wilwa need to go soon, just vote whom you think is the most suspicious. I'd rather not say anything on the dream as yet - and if you pick badly I can suggest the others to avoid that choice. Okay? Hmm... some thoughts to follow. (I've just read the thread and have to pause for a thought first).
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03-24-2010, 12:25 PM | #185 |
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Ok, then that was certainly my mistake, I think the way I discribed it was how it was originally planned, I must have missed the change there. Hopefully I don't confuse anyone with my last post then. But yeah, either way the wolves still want to avoid it.
So I have to leave like, now. I'm going to try super hard to get back on here before DL, but I really don't think I'll be able to, so I'm going to have to vote now. So who's left: Kit Pitchie Zil Wilwa - will not vote for Boro Nog - will not vote for The Elf-warrior Izzy Legate Pitch, Legate and Inzil I feel good about (and one of them has to be guilty by math, I just don't know which). Boro, I forgot was playing. Izzy I think just made that one little comment at the start of the Day, which is odd. Kit I'm fairly ok with. Elfie, I have no idea. So there are 7 people I could vote for. 5 are wolves. I really think we could all just vote random and probably still get a wolf. gah, I really have to go. ++Izzy Mostly random, I'll admit. But mathematically I have a 5 in 7 chance of being right, so I'm cool with those odds. Yeah, I'm going to have to come back. *hopes Nog dreamt me and wolves are logical* x'ed with Nog, oh come on man, you're killing me here with the suspense...*leaves for real*
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03-24-2010, 12:44 PM | #186 |
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First of all: I do like happy faces around but sadly I need to bring my fellow innocents down a bit. There are ten people around toDay of which one innocent (Shasta) is able to vote but otherwise is practically dead already.
That leaves four innocents against five wolves (in teams of 2 and 3). The next Night the wolves will kill me and because neither team can afford to count on the other team to do it, so they both come my way. So no innocent will be killed in the coming Night except me. *prays the ranger gambled last Night* So how will toMorrow look like? If we lynch an innocent toDay it will be: 2 innocents - facing 5 wolves and 2 wolves (pack A) - facing 5 enemies 3 wolves (pack B) - facing 4 enemies So you can see who has reason to be cheerful and who has not... Well, if we lynch a wolf toDay it will be: 3 innocents - facing 4 wolves and 1 wolf (A) - facing 6 enemies 3 wolves (B) - facing 4 enemies or 2 wolves (A) - facing 5 enemies 2 wolves (B) - facing 5 enemies That would be far better for us. So let's put some effort into this. I need to go to sleep quite a lot earlier I did last night so I can't hang around up to the last hours of the Day - and I still need to read a bunch of essays today. So how about everyone able to be online within the next three hours or something came up with more or less a list of suspicions and possible trust? With reasons. That's just a suggestion.
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03-24-2010, 12:56 PM | #187 |
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As it looks pretty quiet I think I'll do my essay-reading right now. I'll be back in about an hour and will then put myself into this for real for an hour or two.
Hoping to see people coming online meanwhile...
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Not a lot of time at the moment, as it's the middle of my workday again. TEW interests me greatly. I've never played with him before and have no indication of his 'normal' style, but some bells are ringing.
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Bah, I skimmed through Lommy's posts again, but with the way she was flip-flopping or being just vague about most people all the time, if there are any ties to her packmates in there I can't see them.
I feel good about Izzy, however, exactly because Lommy was so positive about her (neglecting the unsolvable question who her dream was). I don't think Lommy would have associated herself so clearly with a packmate or a rival wolf, but I can see her buddying up to an innocent, maybe with an intention to leave Izzy tainted later in case she'd survive Lommy. Plus I've seen nothing suspicious in Izzy herself. I'm trusting Nog to be the true Seer until proven otherwise. There is, to repeat myself, still a possibility he's a wolf-Seer pulling a daring act (and I don't think this would be quite as implausible as the majority seems to believe), but what's most important, I've seen nothing in his pre-reveal behaviour that would make me suspect him. I don't really know what to think of wilwa. She said some clever things in the discussion about Seer reveals yesterDay, and her reaction to Nog's reveal looked good, but otherwise she's either genuinely confused or acting confused and trying to confuse us, I don't know which. Kit still looks good to me, I like the way she thinks and looks at things. The reason for her vote (Legate's edit-reaction to Nog's reveal) was a bit meager the way she presented it (meaning that the fact he made that edit in haste may have been in part responsible for it looking 'forced'), but I agree with her that Legate seemed to be in a big hurry to accept Nog's claim. Now, Legate himself. I said yesterDay he and Lommy seemed to be agreeing quite a lot; looking back, it seems the only thing they explicitely agreed about was Lommy's remark that in this game, people who go after wolves aren't necessarily innocent (on which I commented at the time). The other thing I noticed (and of course I would) was the way they sort of played ping-pong with suspecting me for diverging reasons, none of them very clear. (In contrast, our late sally - to put this in a family-friendly way - quite annoyed me with the way she went after me, but she at least presented something remotely resembling a case.) Looking at what they said about each other, Legate was quite unwavering in finding Lommy not suspicious at all, whereas Lommy found him 'wishy-washy', 'fishy' or generally feeling offish; in my eyes, this is just the kind of passing suspicion a wolf would post about a packmate - enough to distance herself from him just in case, not enough to make anybody else suspect him seriously. So if you want to know whom I don't trust, here's one. Not any more. Posting this now, and then looking at the rest. EDIT: x-ed with Zil.
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Okay, I'm back and I must say I have expected far more posting here, but well, the village is not exceptionally big anymore all of a sudden.
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I'm not at all sure I like the case Zil made against TEWie just now. I said yesterDay that TEWie's early posts didn't feel quite right to me, but all in all, it rather looks to me like he's somewhat out of WW practice after a long interval and trying hard to get back the feel for it. (I don't know how many games he's actually played before his temporary retirement, so if someone could enlighten me whether he's a true veteran or has just played a few games now and then, that'd be nice. Thanks.) That's not saying he can't be a wolf, of course, but if you want to convince me, try harder.
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03-24-2010, 03:11 PM | #194 |
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With basic logic, there are five Wolves out of seven people I can choose from (or any innocent, for that matter). If Nog gives his dream, the numbers will even decrease (for everybody except the person he dreamt about).
I really see the only chance of Nog being the other Wolf-Seer in being kamikaze-ish and hoping for the game to end soon enough so that he is not killed by the other pack. Unless the pack really counted on their Ranger and the innocent Ranger taking turns in protecting him, however, we must not forget that there will be also the other Seer, the real one. We didn't have any counter-claim, that's one quite big reason why I trust him. So now after looking at people, the basic outline is this: Kit - I don't get her points against me, seemed more innocent yesterday, now might be pretty well one of the WWs trying to find easy grounds to eliminate somebody on. Pitchie - I cannot get rid still of this pitchparanoia, although his behavior has gotten somewhat better since yesterDay, he started writing posts with some "dynamic". But with such a high percentage of WWs, it's quite easy to keep him in the guilty part of people. The last remark joining Kit's misinterpretation of me also could have been nice jumping a bandwagon. Zil - I wasn't sure about this remark I quoted above, that looked as if he was knowing something more than an "average mortal" does. Wilwa - in general sounded innocent in the sense of accepting Nogrod and even general behavior, however, especially with the rules confusion recently, it looked slightly manufactured. As if acted. But then, in total, I have more innocent impression from her. Boro - Also this explanation of his yesterDay reaction of Nogrod looked slightly manufactured. Could have been, once again taking into account the amount of WWs in here. Otherwise he tried to be "reasonable" before, but again, that's no proof here. Nog - see above The Elf-warrior - actually not much to go about with him, although he might be a typical prototype of a Under-the-Radar-Flying Werewolf. Izzy - also not much to go around, more innocent feeling than not, but hard to say. Although I think either she or TEW probably might be a WW (or maybe both, with each team having their own under-radarer...). There's a lot to choose from, but there's also a large choice. The main point is - toDay's main appeal on all the Innocents - in simple words, not to lynch an Innocent (for these reasons, I will probably refrain from voting any of the more enigmatic people - TEW, Iz - unless I get more reading on them). It is not that difficult by maths, and funnily enough, the hope is also to attract Wolves to vote for a Wolf.
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03-24-2010, 03:21 PM | #195 | |
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Well. Anyway, I might led Inzil slide a bit backwards among my suspects now, but still there is something to think about...
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First of all Lommy dreaming of Izzy and then publicly saying she's a goodie is just plain oddity a wolf taking part in a Nightly discussion would not think. As Wilwa and Boro have said: there is no reason for a wolfseer to give hints of her dreams during the Day as they can PM & discuss the findings at Nights. And to say "I like her" as a hint just looks odd as there is none on their side outside those three they already know themselves. So making such a misunderstanding speaks heavily in favour of EW not being involved in any Nightly discussions. Izzy being her packmate is possible, although I think Lommy's buddying up with her looked more like a wolf making friends with an innocent to gain some good will ("I like her"). Befriending that openly with a packmate would sound quite daring indeed. Talking of Lommy's dream on N1 the only arguable / plausible idea to me seems to be that she might have dreamt of Izzy and found her innocent thus trying to buddy up with her). But back to EW. Also the idea that Lommy found out Nerwen and signalled her mates is an odd way to think (yeah, she would have just plain told them during the Night and that's it) - not to say that the hunters are basically the last people the wolves love to try and kill. Although in this case it might be argued they'd like to try the hunter on D1 rather than Day X in the future? But anyway it's still unbelievable she'd need to point out anyone to anyone in public - and a wolf would know that. Also the way in which he seems to "come to the conclusion" that he doesn't think my continued presence too suspicious looks more like someone trying to think of it himself and coming to a conclusion (making both cases first: the possibility of trying to undermine the believability and the fear of the ranger) rather than a wolf suddenly bringing forwards such an idea. Why would a wolf bring forward such a point as if someone would have distrusted me (and it was early in the Day then) it would have suited them so much better? So all in all, I'm tending to think EW more innocent than not. That is not "knowledge-based" but just my opinion based on what I have read thus far. But then again, I'm not so sure about Inzil. First of all his case against EW looks like an easy case a wolf might make - hoping that EW wouldn't be able to put up a real counterfight or defence and as everyone will see EW's points are somewhat odd people might accept that kind of case as the "easy lynch". What I do wonder as well is this (quoted up there as well): Quote:
But it is clear now as I realised it. So if Lommy's wolf-team feared I was the wolfseer of the other team... then they might have feared the wolfranger might have been there to prevent them from killing me. Okay... so you guys feared someone from the other pack protected me? And as I think I said yesterDay, his appearance on Lommy's list looks the most bothersome to me. Quote:
Okay, X'd with a host. A small pause, reading and then back.
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03-24-2010, 03:37 PM | #197 |
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OK, who else is still alive?
Shasta - dead Lover walking, 'nuff said. TEWie - see my #191 for what I think of him. Boro - I like it that he didn't completely fall out of his chair with enthusiasm to embrace Nog as the true Seer. On the other hand, I think the question of Nog's alignment (or his being a real Seer or a decoy) was beside the point as far as the pragmatics of voting Lommy or not were concerned. On the third hand, he was probably trying to get an interesting response from Nog by questioning him as long as the iron was hot, so to speak, which was rather a good idea, as well as probing who would latch on to his alleged doubts. All in all, looking rather goodish. Zil - needs some more thought and re-reading. EDIT: x-ed w/ Zil, 2 Legates and Nog
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And I can't help what Lommy said about me any more than can Izzy, or Kit. x/d with Pitch
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But I do think we have better lynches toDay than you... if it helps.
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This doesn't touch my other reasons for suspecting you as given in my #189. EDIT: removed one redundant 'toDay' in the paragraph before the last.
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