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Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...
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I got the impression BG thought G55 looked more gifted than hackery. She said G55 was something (including hacker) but the way I read her posts she seemed more convinced of a gifted role. Now when G55 makes a reveal BG asks why we should trust her.
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But this really seems to me like such a wild theory (and really such a wild progress from the Hacker and Wolves, or at least one Wolf, if Boro was so) that I would not have believed it just from scratch. Anyway, all of this is pure mind exercise until G55 actually comes back. Personally, even though all the above really looks suspicious, I would suggest following with what G55 says. I am most curious whom she is going to name as innocents, most of all. EDIT: x-ed since my last
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Oh my!!! No, please! Not again! Okay, well, fair enough. I sincerely don't think this would be a fake reveal, because I see no logic for a Wolf doing so. Anyway though. Not very wise, truth be told, but if we can rule you out from voting, fine. But I suggest not saying target aloud, because then the WWs will know whether they can target you or not. While other people would not! So please be so kind and stay silent!
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I just read through all of G55's posts on the first 3 pages. Okay, she's said she was the seer twice and a wolf 1 1/2 times and maybe even the cobbler (because she does what she says someone else does). When I call her a seer she admits to being the seer, then get's protective, and then gets mad. Then her next two double posts she tries to chew me up and admits to being angry at my post.
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Fair enough (and sorry for the outburst, I guess I should go to sleep anyway, this is getting too dramatic for me). Basically now, after checking stuff, and also what's been happening lately, I have several basic possibilities in my head...
I think Morsul looks genuine and innocent and Kitanna looks likewise pretty much innocent. I am wary of BG, also of Boro and similarly about G55. Also, now the idea about Hacker-fake-Seer reveal seems to start sounding plausible. But I am certainly really so much waiting for what G55 says. Until then, I am not saying either-or as to her reveal. And I have no idea about Shasta. I would seriously like to see more from him. (Also from BG, but she's really hard to read for me.) Anyway, if people vote, I must strongly underline that all innocents should try to vote for the same person, preferrably. I am sort of unsure whether, if e.g. it turns out G55 was a baddie (that is, for certain - for instance, if there was a counter-claim), therefore likely a Hacker (I really don't believe a Wolf would come out with fake-reveal at this point), whether people should vote for the Hacker, but maybe rather yes, because after all it's about numbers, and there would probably be at least some general directions towards who might be the Wolf and might be caught in further Days. I will go soon. Then I will appear later... before DL. I am a bit afraid many of you would have voted by then. But if we can, let's wait for what G55 says.
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If G55 is seer – She provides us with two innocents so we can better focus our efforts. With no Ranger however she becomes fodder tonight, but she at least helps us not lynch two innocents. But hacker shows up as innocent, so keep that in mind.
If G55 is a bot – She puts in confusion. Though say the real seer is killed without revealing we at least have an easy bot lynch. Or say we lynch G55 to test her reveal and she’s revealed a bot. The two “innocents” she give us add more confusion as we argue about “did she label her other mate(s) or did she distance herself?” If G55 is a hacker – I’m at work, so excuse this stupid question, (I’ve wasted more time my work day than I should have trying to decide how to take these reveals o_O ) if the hacker is attacked by bots does she/he die or become one? I guess in either scenario the hacker is likely to die pretty quickly. Either lynched for a false reveal or murdered by bots. If Morsul is the hunter – Probably attacked by bots (after G55 should she be the seer) and takes someone down, hopefully a bot. If Morsul is a bot - Lynched for a false reveal if real hunter comes forward or dies. If Morsul is the hacker – Same question/scenario as G55. I’m inclined to believe Morsul is the hunter because the hunter’s role is to die and hopefully bring down a bot in the process. If I was going to false reveal this would be my last choice because death essentially follows you whatever you do.
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Guys, I haven't read any of the day's things. I'll try in a moment, but I've been getting redirected all day. This is my first time on the site today, so please bear with me.
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That's been my sig since around 2010 and sarcasm pointeing to our (US) national elections. It's not about this spamming apocalypse, nor WW at all.
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Galadriel55 Legate Kitanna Boromir88 Blind Guardian Morsul the Dark Shasta Current Dead: Coppermirror, Lommy– seized by Adult Friend Finder. Nerwen, Aganzir– poisoned by webcrawlers. Rune– lashed to death with overseer-bot’s light whip. (Ordinary cyber-slave.) Inziladun– ICE pick to the head. (Ordinary cyber-slave.) Sally– pushed down a data-mineshaft. (R.A.N.G.E.R.) Lottie– rubbed out. (ordinary cyber-slave) Day One votes (italics = dead): Morsul —> Rune Inziladun —> Boro (Because of possible Hacker hint) Loslote —> Blind Guardian (Because I wasn't there) Kitanna —> Morsul (Because of a gut feeling) Sally —> Blind Guardian (2) (Again, because I wasn't there) Blind Guardian —> Rune (2) (Self-preservation, mainly [how many times have I died on Day One now?], and at the time he seemed to be the best bet.) Rune —> Morsul (2) Shasta --> Morsul (3) (Something that was radar pinging?) G55 --> Rune (3) (Wanted to vote Sally) Legate --> Rune (4) (I didn't see a reason, except that Rune was with her at the time? I gotta say this was a bandwagon vote.) Note: Boro didn't vote RESULT: Rune lynched - Ordo WOLF KILLED: Inziladun Day Two (italics = dead): Morsul --> Shasta (No reason, just some "hint") Kit --> Sally (1) (Doesn't like Sally's reasoning for voting for me) Loslote (This is Lottie right?) --> Morsul (1) (Wanted to vote for Morsul and I; voted Morsul because he was mysterious and threw out gifted hints) Satansaloser2005 (this is Sally right?) --> Legate Shasta --> Sally (2) (She was between Lottie and Sally, no reason given it seems.) Legate --> Sally (3) (Didn't like Sally's vote the day before [?]) G55 --> Sally (4) (Didn't like how Sally was behaving towards Morsul and I, thought she was suspicious) Boro --> Sally (5) (Didn't like Sally's votes) Note: I (BG) didn't vote RESULT: Sally lynched - R.A.N.G.E.R WOLF KILLED: LOTTIE Okay these were the results of the last two days and people reasons for them - feel free to correct it, some people gave confusing reasons or none at all that I can see. Shasta and Boro mainly. That leaves us with 1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, X number of Wolves, and X number of Ordos. I would like to think 2 Wolves and 2 Ordos also, that leaves us with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter (right?), and 2 Ordos in our side. While they have 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. If not it would be, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, and 1 Ordo, with them having 1 Hacker and 3 Wolves. I haven't read anything since my last post... and nothing happened since my last post.
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Okay, so what I'm seeing so far is G55 has come out as the Seer and Morsul the Hunter. At the very least, everyone has posted now since G55's reveal, so I'm going to believe it since no one has countered her claim. I'm tentatively believing Morsul's reveal as well. Since I know I'm innocent, that means there's two bots and one hacker in the following group -
BG Boro Legate Kitanna Hopefully G55 has dreamt of one or two of those names. With a 75% chance of hitting a baddie, though, I'm tentatively hopeful!
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By the way, if I sound confident that there are only two bots, it's because I am - besides the fact that the narrations pretty clearly only have lucyyenic and tomtom, if there were three bots they could have already won by now by voting with the Hacker.
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My day went to crap very quickly in my last hour at work and my brain is very tired. I've set my alarm and will wake up before DL to read, comment, and vote.
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Back and reading.
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SO you have any names to narrow our list?
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To be honest, you're giving this post waaay too much thought, although I like the discussion as it can lead to clues. Boro's sig was completely random. Shasta's was there because it mentioned clairvoyant powers.
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Actually I picked up on the sig thing page one worked from that went for Rune day one because I knew The Shasta thing wouldn't pan out well, which it seems wasn't bad.
I'm fairly certain if Shasta was a bot I would have been night killed avoiding saying who gave me the clue made it seem like I was seer(something I hadn't really thought out.)
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possible bots and hacker
Legate Kitanna Boromir88 presuming innocent Galadriel55 Morsul the Dark Shasta Possible Hacker BG
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Galadriel55 Legate Morsul Unknown: Kitanna Boromir88 Blind Guardian Shasta Now, some explaining to do. I'm supposed to have 3 dreams, which is why I was surprised Kit assumed there would be 2 names. By the way, Kit, I really want to hear that explanation. I doubt you'd guess at the dream so accurately if you were a wolf, and at any rate why then not kill the dreamer? I think it was more of a coincidence that my third dream is dead the Night of dreaming. But still, why did you assume 2? Morsul, I must apologize for the cyber screaming. I just had a few plans in my head, but most involved a Ranger. Only one was left that would involve only you, but it required you to not be revealed. I should have somehow indicated that to you before. My dead dream was Inzil. He kept returning to the Seer idea after I tried to steer the conversation away, and some of the things he said gave me creepy overtones. Sounded like a wolf signalling to a cobbler, though potentially a cobbler signalling to a wolf. I needed to know if I'm barking up the wrong tree. He seriously freaked me out with those potential hints, but then turned out to be neither, so that was quite a fail on my part. Part of the reason I'm revealing now is that, although I'm more than half-convinced at this point that there are two bots, as I've said numerous times before, don't ignore that third one that will stab you in the back when you think he's not there. Also, because both my brain and my instincts are evidently not functioning properly this game, so I turn it over to the group effort. Hopefully with everyone involved we will be better able to weed out the wolves, cause, like, my brain alone is clearly not enough. Finally, going back to that quote I promised: Quote:
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possible bots
Kitanna Boromir88 presuming innocent Galadriel55 Morsul the Dark Shasta Legate Possible Hacker BG SO I'm thinking Boro, anyone else for that?
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I'll change my list a little bit:
Known innocent (ie gifted) Galadriel55 Morsul Known Not Wolf (ordo/cobbler, either way not worth a lynch IMO) Legate Other: Kitanna Boromir88 Blind Guardian Shasta Of these, I either find all not that suspicious, or get paranoid about all 4. Kitanna - very sensible, but still very cold and distant. She strikes me innocent, but then I get paranoid and think that she might be a wolf keeping her paws dry and her head out of danger. A bit under the radar too. Boro - yesterDay my suspicions rose a notch. He posted in a way that sounded like he was diverting attention from a wolf (possibly himself) onto a cobbler. That could also be cobblery behaviour, though. Then there's Inzil's vote floating in the background, but then it could also be a frame done by the wolves. And he has posted so little that how am I even supposed to think anything of him? BG - does and says some not good-looking things, to say the least, but some of that I think is attributed to her lack of practice with WW. But then I don't know. Maybe they are intentional. Sometimes I feel that her neweness after her break from WW excuses that behaviour, and sometimes I just think it doesn't. Shasta - no read. At all. He is suspicious by default. However, I noticed before that he tends to vote for the wolves more often when he is a wolf himself than when he is an innocent. It's the craziest reason, but considering that he only voted for innocents makes him a bit less wolfish. But then knowing him even better than that, he's tricksy and wily and would just change it up a bit to avoid predictable patterns. Help me out here, guys. EDIT: xed with Morsul
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I don't know man. I agree that if we lynch someone everyone should vote for that person, but Boro hasn't posted enough to raise my suspicion.
Not to mention I still say you're a wolf/bot and I still don't know what G55 is. Okay Galadriel, who was your third then? Morsul, Inzil and... [So DL is like 5 or 6 AM my time and I don't even wake up until 10AM or so. So someone better vote by 12 or 1 my time because I don't really want to be the first. ![]() -X'ed with G55 |
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Legate is in her known not wolf list.
No one coutered either of our reveals... so I'm willing to believe her. Kitanna's getting bumped down to hacker and BG up to Bot.
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Process of elimination
I trust G55 ME Legate(Seer dream) Shasta(I assume I'd be dead if he was a bot) That leaves You(BG) Boro Kitanna I had you pegged as hacker but your last post made me upgrade your threat level and I trust Kit more than Boro so I put her in the hacker position(Though it still technically could be Legate)
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Alright folks Boro yes?
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Meh, don't worry I did the same when G55 and Sally (right?) voted for me on Day One. See my day one list, I think they were fairly high in the "baddie" category.
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Your dreams are so convenient. Any reasons for why them? Any reasons for why one happens to be a dead person who was lynched with no connection to you at all, when you weren't around? Why the other is me who you're setting up? And the third also happens to be one of my dreams? Your only hope is that people find me and Legate combined more suspicious than you. Any proof in your posts that you are the Seer? Any traces you left in case you were killed? Any "concrete hints" (as much as there is no such thing, there is such a thing. Not a vague attitude, but a concrete, "here it is" kind of hint) about your dreams? I'm leaning cobbler because from reading your posts you have set up a nice little position for a fake reveal, if it comes handy, from your first post on Day2. Very nice posts and attitudes that could be read, if read with that image in mind, as posted by a Seer. But one can read attitude hints in Joe Shmo if one chooses to. You can't argue as much about concrete hints. Give us a believable, solid hint. In contrast to your vague suggestions that could look like Seer stuff if needed or like normal unconcerned stuff when needed, I gave clues about my dreams, and I made sure that no one would mistake who among the players I know to be innocent. Can you match that?
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Guardian of the Blind
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Where The Skies End
Posts: 899
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Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.
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