Tol-in-Gaurhoth XV-The Villagers Strike Back!

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

OH NO! The deadline's now. And some cross-posting, too.

++KITANNA

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ang didn't specify the deadline. He might let it run until 3.30 PM, about the time the day started yesterday.

If so then the other voters might have time to drop by. Kitanna and Oddwen, I think.

[Oddwen]

Oh, dear...I try to make sense sometimes, I really do.

And oh shoot...deadline? Yipe!

I am a follower not a leader, and I can agree and sympathize with anyone, which does not help me here.

As a few have pointed out Formendacil is slightly off.

And I really can't put my finger on it, but B88 and spawn don't sit right.

And anyone who says "I trust this or that person" creeps me out. Ergo Rune seems to me suspicious.

And since I don't know Wayne, he seems to me doubly so. And then I read your posts saying "Wayne is Wayne", and it feels like you're trying to allay my fears, so should I pay attention...?

Dang, a vote, dang-double-dang.

Who has not voted? D-spawn and myself? Three-way-tie? No, a four-way! Kath's vote for Rune set that. Is D-spawn stalling, because she's a hero and there are one or more heroes in the tie? *gnaws wrists* Will I be suspected of this too?

One more medicated peaceful moment...

[mormegil]

Just for public knowledge I want to let all know that I currently suspect

Gurthang
Kitanna
Boromir
Formendacil

In that order and if I do die tonight somebody please look closely into each and everyone.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will delete this if the deadline has passed. . .

Originally Posted by Oddwen

And anyone who says "I trust this or that person" creeps me out. Ergo Rune seems to me suspicious.

I dont trust Lhuna I just dont suspect her because she seems to have the same view on things that I do. Specially the fact that she just say what I have been thinking and not convinces me to think something make me belive in her wolfishness.

[Oddwen]

Originally Posted by Eom

If so then the other voters might have time to drop by. Kitanna and Oddwen, I think.

Originally Posted by me

Who has not voted? D-spawn and myself? Three-way-tie? No, a four-way! Kath's vote for Rune set that. Is D-spawn stalling, because she's a hero and there are one or more heroes in the tie? *gnaws wrists* Will I be suspected of this too?

Nevermind. Time changes stuff, I guess.

It now stands:

Kitanna 3
Rune 2
Spawn 2
Farael 2
Oddwen
Formendacil
Nonnacedak
Menentarmacil
Mithalwen

I don't even really suspect Kitanna. Though, she could be hanging about, like I accused Spawn of in my last post.

Dang. If I vote for someone with two votes, it'll be a double-lynch, or Kitanna could vote for another two-voter and take a chance on not being chosen. If I vote for someone with one vote or no votes, Kitanna could take someone with her. If I vote for Kitanna, then she dies. Dang. And if she's not a hero, then we've lost another Wolf.

++RUNE
I shall go with my chosen bloodthirsty role. He I suspect more than anyone toNIGHT. It'll come back and bite me in the hindquarters, I know, but I've got to do something.

Crossposted w/ morm & Rune.

[Kitanna]

I don't know what I did to get on everyone's lists, but if that's the way you all feel then throw your votes away.

++MORM

He hasn't been sitting right with me all day. He's a clever one, probably the most clever one we have left. It's hard to tell when he's telling us the truth or just trying to cast any suspcions off himself onto someone else.

[Anguirel]

The Beta Wolf was silenced by the ominous, and somewhat familiar, darkened whirlwind roaring out of the Anfauglith.

More devouring, it hissed. That has to be...entertaining...

Voting closed. Night 2 ending soon.

[Anguirel]

Since the misguided slaying of Huan by those he was trying to help, a confident-even complacent-spirit was abroad within the dark hearts of Tol-in-Gaurhoth's denizens.

"Let's kill two scum today," the bloody-minded Oddwen suggested, saliva pouring from her blood-streaked jaws. "If our luck continues, we'll surely slay two of these so-called Heroes and leave the last to be hunted down without mercy!"

"And if our luck doesn't continue," Meneltarmacil agreed, "we'll have twice as much meat as usual. Even Glirdan's supplies are starting to thin...we need more flesh."

"Aye," Nonnacedak joined in cautiously, "as long as it isn't mine." He had not forgotten his close shave of the Night before.

"I say we should still eat that pathetic little jackal!" Boromir88 growled. "Truly it is aid that the blood of parasites imbues the faithful with holy strength. Besides, he's doubtless got more corpses hidden away."

"Garn!" Kath spat. "If we slay Rune, every one of his sheep will be ours for the taking!"

The wolf o' nine tails, dancing spawn, simply stared at Kitanna, so much smaller than she, a glint of greed in her dark eyes, and the gaze of other wolves began to be drawn to the hapless Beta Wolf too.

At length it was decided that Rune would be devoured for his flock's sweet, fat, meat, and Kitanna because she wouldn't be able to fight back. Ostracised from the pack, the pair were herded into the courtyard of the Tower's prison complex.

"Don't worry, Kitanna," Rune growled. "Neither of us will die this day. I can keep them back."

"You?" Kitanna sneered. "Look, you may be larger than me, but that ain't saying much."

"Size," Rune said, "isn't everything. BARUK KHAZAD, KHAZAD AIMENU!"

The Hero cast the manky wolf-hide which had disguised his true Dwarven nature to one side, and his sheep too began to lose their form; coalescing around him into a suit of mithril armour and a vast double-handed axe.

Kitanna seemed as surprised as the rest, but seeing that in the Dwarf lay her only chance of survival, she lurked behind him thankfully. The werewolves, their foe revealed, made several abortive charges, but each time the swing of the Dwarf Lord's axe repelled them, for they did not wish to die tonight. Rune was conducting a fighting retreat, and he and Kitanna were now out of the courtyard and the Tower.

"Quick," the Beta Wolf snarled, "onto my back, Dwarf. I'll carry you out. Thankyou for saving me. We'll escape together, and perhaps I shall be cured of my disease."

"Perhaps," the Dwarf agreed taciturnly, clambering onto the Wolf. They sped off in the direction of the Sirion. But at this point, instead of leaping over the fast-flowing water, she reared up, knocking the Dwarf in. He sunk rapidly, cursing her and all wolves as he drowned.

"Kitanna!" Eomer gasped. "Truly you are an Alpha Wolf! You defeated a Hero! And a Dwarf at that!"

"It was nothing," she shrugged modestly; but at that point a vengefully hurled Dwarf throwing axe surged through the grey water and sliced off her head.

"Ah well," Lobo remarked, "shame about Kitanna, the bold Dwarfsbane, and all that, but it looks like we'll have something to eat for supper after all..."


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger

Day 3 now begins. Remaining Heroes, Sauron, Draugluin and Carcharoth, send your choices to, I stress, both me and Cailin.

Night 3 ought to begin at 2:00pm GMT tomorrow. If something goes pear-shaped, I'll try to get prior warning out. As a last resort, there's the valiant Cailin brigade.

[Anguirel]

The celebrations over the death of Rune had continued into the first rays of morning, and as twilight hardened into night proper, many wolves slunk out of the tower for the Wolfmoot looking distinctly hungover. Eomer and Mithalwen had co-operated in a lightning raid on the Orc liquor stores; many kegs had been smashed open and their heady produce imbibed. Oddwen groaned, rubbing her head with a lethal claw, as she joined the circle of wolves.

"Melkor be praised," Boromir88 rasped out, tottering unsteadily into the centre, his eyes bleary.

"We're...hic...all...here!"

And it was so.

Hidden among their inferiors in the gathering, two wolves crowed quietly; Sauron silently congratulated the vigilance of Draugluin; Draugluin's whiskers twitched in anticipation of rapid promotion...and sneered at the heroes, who, whoever they were, did not seem to be having much luck.


Dead

Anguirel (Werewolf)-throat cut as he slept on Day 1
Glirdan (Werewolf)-devoured on Night 1
The Saucepan Man (Huan)-murdered by mischance on Day 2
Rune Son Of Bjarne (Dwarven Hero)-drowned in the Sirion through Kitanna's treachery on Night 2
Kitanna (Werewolf)-beheaded in Rune's last act of vengeance on Night 2


Living

Mormegil-Crabby Old Wolf
Gurthang-Gil-Gurth
Formendacil-Lobo
Farael-Werewolf In Denial
Lhuna-Girl-Who-Cried-Wolf
Eomer-Black Warg of Rhun
Boromir-Exorcist Specialising in Heroes
Spawn-Wolf O' Nine Tails
Oddwen-Bloodthirsty Whelp
Kath-Runt of the Litter
Mithalwen-Alpha Female
Meneltarmacil-Lone Wolf
Wayne-Fairy Hunter
Nonnacedak-Scavenger


Night 3 has now begun. The Heroes are on the back paw; can the wolves continue their success?

Deadline for votes should be 2pm GMT tomorrow this time.

[Kath]

Right my reasoning for voting Rune as promised. It was actually based entirely on this one post (146) where he tries to formulate an argument against Formendacil. There is too much in it to copy and show here but he seemed to be being deliberately obtuse and was making up rubbish to get the focus off himself. It looked a very shoddy argument designed specifically to pass blame.

But thankfully he was a Hero! And we have had a stroke of luck in no one dying yesterDay as well!

Now from a purely instinctual point of view those I'm not too keen on at the moment are Oddwen, morm and Lhuna. I just want to watch a while today and see if my suspicions are founded in any way.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Praise the Guardian! May our luck continue. Any ideas who he/she protected yesterday? I have my ideas as to who the Seer is and also the identity of another gifted (if my reading is wise). Those two I am going to place my trust in.

I will also place my trust in Oddwen and Kath, for reasons which should be crystal clear. So I think we are in very good stead!

Sincerest apologies to Kitanna, though. It was an ill-fated choice on my part to pick on you. I'll be back later tonight. Any ideas how we can use the numbers advantage?

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Whoa, good job, Draugluin!

YesterNight's votes:

Menel -> Rune
Formendacil -> Mith
Farael -> spawn
Nonnacedak -> spawn
Lhuna -> Oddwen
Gurthang -> Farael
Rune -> Formendacil
Boromir -> Nonnac
Wayne -> Farael
Eomer -> Kitanna
Mith -> Menel
morm -> Kitanna
Kath -> Rune
spawn -> Kitanna
Oddwen -> Rune
Kitanna -> morm

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?

Here's a little summary of who accused whom from last Night:

Boromir suspected mormegil, Wayne, Menel, Kitanna, spawn & Nonnac, was quite neutral about Mith and later of spawn
mormegil suspected Kitanna, Gurthang, Boromir, Formendacil & spawn, was quite neutral about Wayne, Farael, Mith and Nonnac
Kath suspected morm & Rune
Menel suspected Boromir, morm, Wayne, Oddwen, Farael, spawn, Rune & Kitanna
Farael suspected spawn, Gurthang, was quite neutral about Nonnac
Mithalwen suspected morm, Eomer, Wayne, Gurthang, Formendacil, Boromir & Oddwen, later seemed quite neutral about Kath, Eomer, Boromir & spawn
Eomer suspected Kitanna, Kath & spawn, was quite neutral about Mith
Formendacil suspected Gurthang, morm & Mith, was quite neutral of Boromir, Eomer & Lhuna
Wayne suspected morm, Kath, Farael, Rune, Nonnac & Menel (that was the top 5 of his list + Kath whom he mentioned earlier)
Nonnacedak suspected spawn, Boromir & Gurthang
Gurthang suspected Farael, Kitanna, morm, spawn & Nonnac
Farael suspected spawn & Gurthang
Rune suspected Farael & Formendacil, was quite neutral of Lhuna & Nonnac
Kitanna suspected morm & spawn
Lhuna suspected Wayne & Oddwen, was quite neutral of Farael, Menel, Formendacil, morm & Mith
spawn suspected Formendacil, Kitanna & Farael

Please, tell me if I have interpreted something you have said wrong or if there are any mistakes on that list (there was so many posts that I might have not noticed everything). The persons after the word "suspected" were found 1) very suspicious 2) suspicious 3) mildly suspicious 4) suspicion of them was expressed as a joke, or 5) just some thing they had done was considered strange. I didn't want to separate those things, because real accusations can be disguised as a joke, for example. Besides, after that, the whole list would have looked so messy that no-one would have understand a word from it.

I have to leave now to a concert, I'll tell you my own theories when I get back.

[mormegil]

Menel voted Rune (Rune 1)
Formen voted Mith (Rune 1, Mith 1)
Farael voted Spawn (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 1)
Nonna voted Spawn (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2)
Lhuna voted Oddwen (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1)
Gurthang voted Farael (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1)
Rune voted Formen (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1, Formen 1)
Boromir voted Nonna (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 1, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Wayne voted Farael (Rune 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Eomer voted Kitanna (Rune 1, Kitanna 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1)
Mith voted Menel (Rune 1, Kitanna 1, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Mormegil voted Kitanna (Rune 1, Kitanna 2, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Kath voted Rune (Rune 2, Kitanna 2, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Spawn voted Kitanna (Rune 2, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Oddwen voted Rune (Rune 3, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1)
Kitanna voted Mormegil (Rune 3, Kitanna 3, Mith 1, Spawn 2, Oddwen 1, Farael 2, Formen 1, Nonna 1, Menel 1, Mormegil 1)

This puts Spawn in a bad light though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?!

[Mithalwen]

I just want to apologise to Menel. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight I realise I was totally wrong last night . I allowed my judgement to be clouded by wolves I have known longer and my desire not to make a spite vote re Formendacil. I need to review everything. So ... more later.

[Oddwen]

Bully for Drauglin! Good job, bucko.

I believe that I may have been the chosen target for the heroes and our Devilish Drauglin. My vote for Rune may have seemed a bit Sauron-ish to them. But I'm not, so rest assured.

Originally Posted by Spawn

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?

*scratches behind ear* This confuses me also. I guess we'll never know.

Let's review Rune, shall we?

Night one:

Glirdan mentions Rune in his first post. However, we know Glirdan was innocent, so that doesn't tell us much. Rune pops up and says how he "hates us all", and says Glirdan seems "wolfish". Glirdan vents at Rune. Gurthang is sure that either Rune or Glirdan are the Huan (but we allll know how wrong he was ). Gurthang then votes for Rune, because he didn't want to join the Glirdan bandwagon, and one of Rune's statements confuses him. Rune then expresses suspicions of Wayne, Nonna, and Farael. He votes Wayne because of his "unpredictableness". Glirdan is lynched.

Night two:

Morm points out that Gurthang didn't give a very good explanation for his day one vote of Rune, calls it "safe". Menel minorly suspects Rune, calling his vote for Wayne "safe", because he could have gotten away with it without being part of a bandwagon. He calls Rune and B88 his primary suspects. Then he says Rune will probably be getting his vote. Nonna calls Gurthang's day one vote for Rune "random" and "odd". Menel says Rune could be "hero #3". Rune then explains his vote for Wayne, agreeing that it was a safe vote because even if Wayne wasn't a wolf, he was unpredictable, also says he didn't vote for Nonna or Farael because "they're new". Rune then agrees with Farael's theory. Menel then suspects Rune, Farael, and Oddwen as the heroes. He finds it hard to decide between voting for Rune or Farael, an keeps out of the majority by voting for Rune. Rune then says he trusts Lhuna because he agrees with what she says. He says he's all but removed Nonna from his suspect list save for his seeming "vengeance" vote for Menel. He finds Farael still "sneaky" and finds something odd about Formendacil. In his next post, he calls Formendacil's posts "without bite" and "going in all directions", not like the "wolf he used to know". He breaks down several of Formen's posts, and then votes for him. B88 says Menel's argument against Rune makes sense. He then tells Rune and Farael the problems with their theory. Rune then says that he saw the problem. He asks Wayne why he's number three on his list. Kath votes for Rune, promising an explanation the next Night. Rune seems suspicious to Oddwen because he's ready to trust Lhuna. Rune attempts to appease Oddwen, saying that he doesn't trust Lhuna, he merely agrees with her. Oddwen votes for Rune because she would like to see him go rather than Kitanna. Rune and Kitanna are lynched, and the rest is history.

Reading this history, I am inclined to see as suspicious:

Gurthang he could have voted for a hero the first day to try to distance himself from the other heroes, not knowing that Rune would be the first to go
Nonna and/or Farael, because I see Rune mentioning them but "giving them a chance because they're new" a little odd. I also find that Rune saying how he doesn't suspect Nonna and that he still found Farael sneaky a bit odd as well.

Disseminate this at will.

[Mithalwen]

Clearly those who voted for Rune were likely choices for both the enemy and Draugluin. I am now fairly confident of 4 or 5 innocents (which is 3 or 4 up on yesterday!) . As to the identity of the two remaining "heroes" ... I need to do a lot more looking and listening.....

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by dancing spawn of ungoliant

I don't understand why Kitanna didn't save herself last Night when she had a chance. Didn't she notice that there was a tie between her and Rune?

Originally Posted by mormegil

...though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?!

Originally Posted by Oddwen

*scratches behind ear* This confuses me also. I guess we'll never know.

I believe that Kitanna realized that, even if she did not die last Night, she would still be in the running toNight. Trying to save herself would just make her look more guilty in most of her accusors eyes. So, knowing herself to be innocent, she decided to let herself be taken out of the picture so we could look elsewhere for the heros. If we spent all of toNight looking at her, then we really would get no closer to finding those we seek.

Eomer, I take it from you post that you do not believe Oddwen or Kath to gifted. I won't claim to have spotted our more powerful allies. I've got my hunches, but I've learned that I'm not very good at spotting clues.

Farael still is my #1 pick, but I really don't have a lot against her. Mainly, the fact that she disregards everyone who voted for Glirdan and also her jumpiness at my questioning yesterday. I'm going to try to look at Nonna a little, and maybe morm.

Also, I still think it would make sense to look at the voters for Nonna on that first day. There are only two left, of whom I think I find Boromir a little more suspicious than Spawn, but I will look at both.

[mormegil]

I have a great plan that might save a bunch of you prats. Now listen to me and listen good! We have 14 total left, 2 of them heroes, 3 gifted and 9 innocents. Now, Draugluin knows who one innocent is being as he/she protected them last night. There is a chance that who was protected was Sauron but it's unknown. Now Sauron has been able to learn the identity of 3 others, hopefully one hero but more than likely only innocents. That means they could know up to 3 innocents but likely at least one is dead, so I will go with 2. And we have Carcharoth hidden among us. That would make 5 to 7 known innocents. More than likely it's 6 but out of 14 that's not too bad. There is a chance that overlap could exist, ie Sauron dreamt of Carcharoth or Draugluin protected somebody that Sauron dreamt of.

What I propose is for all to step forward and let us know what they know. This would narrow the field by almost half. Then they could orchestrate a double devouring (think of all the meat) of the two highest suspects on that list. It's likely that Draugluin would be the first to die then Sauron but Sauron would be able to get one more dream in and we would have another double devouring.

The plan might be best implemented today however it may be best to do tomorrow. Of course I will let those who know best decide. This of course could be seen as a ploy to get the gifteds to reveal themselves but think about it, at this point I don't think a hero would want this, to be more visible in a group of 7 to 8 as opposed to a group of 14.

I still hold that Gurthang is guilty and he is not sitting right with me. I think I will vote for him today if the plan is not implented.

[Nonnacedak]

Originally Posted by Oddwen

Nonna calls Gurthang's day one vote for Rune "random" and "odd".

The only reason I said that was because he first voiced suspicion on me and then quickly changed his mind to Rune. It may not have been as random as I thought however because I actually never really read why he voted for Rune.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

Also, I still think it would make sense to look at the voters for Nonna on that first day. There are only two left, of whom I think I find Boromir a little more suspicious than Spawn, but I will look at both.

Like Gurthang I still think one Hero was in the group that voted for me. Neither B88 or Spawn have voted for Rune on both nights so Im for sure going to vote one of them. I need to see more of their posts to make a final decision however.

[Gurthang]

Gurthang is sure that either Rune or Glirdan are the Huan (but we allll know how wrong he was ).

First off, I said I was 73% sure. Misquoting, naughty naughty....

Thank you, Oddwen, for that analysis, despite it implicating me.

I've always assumed that hero's will not usually openly defend each other in their posts. Which means that they will either suspect each other or ignore each other completely. So, grouping by who Rune found suspicious, trustworthy, and did not say anything.

Rune's Suspects:
Glirdan
Wayne
Nonnacedak
Farael
Formendacil

Rune's Trustees:
Lhuna (agrees with what she says)
Nonna (all but removed from suspect list)

Which leaves:
Rune's Ignorees:
mormegil
Gurthang
Eomer
Boromir
Spawn
Oddwen
Kath
Mithalwen
Meneltarmacil

Okay, that really doesn' narrow it down much. I do notice that Rune jumped back and forth on Nonnacedak. Could be suspecting then not suspecting a fellow hero.

Well, later I'll see if I can make a list of people who mentioned Rune and see what I come up with. Maybe cross-referencing the two will help.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

What I propose is for all to step forward and let us know what they know. This would narrow the field by almost half. Then they could orchestrate a double devouring (think of all the meat) of the two highest suspects on that list. It's likely that Draugluin would be the first to die then Sauron but Sauron would be able to get one more dream in and we would have another double devouring.

You ALWAYS seem to want the Gifted ones to step forward and tell all.

Although I can see a benefit to the village of doing so, I also think that you would be robbing the village of the chance to benefit from their experience for a day longer. Furthermore, this plays right into the hands of the Heroes, who have thus far been totally clueless.

Who died and made you the King of Tol Sirion, anyway?

I think you innocent, Master Mormegil, but your insistence on trying to direct the ways of the village are irksome, and could easily point to Elvish trickery.

Now, in regards to my vote of our last Night together, I admit that it was a rather foolish vote on my part, and had I been more awake, I would surely have seen that. But I ask you to look at what timezone I live in, and see that it was rather late at night, and I wouldn't be up in time for a vote that could be better-placed. What's more, it was late, and I was too tired to clearly think through the village, so I did my civic duty.

If you don't like that explanation, then tough cookies. Go and help the Elves out.

[Boromir88]

I'm in favor of mormegil's plan. Or atleast to a limited degree, perhaps the Ranger step out and say who he/she protected, but it may be too early and unwise to have Sauron himself step out for right now we have the upperhand but we don't want things to slip out of our paws.

As far as analyzing everyone, you'll hear more from me later. But, Praise Melkor indeed! We have been in good favor we should make a sacrifice to him tonight for his grace.

[Mithalwen]

I am yet to do my review but re. Morm's plan, I think that both the enemy and Draugluin would have picked the person they though most likely to be Sauron. While neither them can be certain without a confession it seems likely that the enemy will attack the same person again today knowing that Draugluin cannot protect them. I say we think carefully before we condemn two gifteds to death on successive days - Draugluin presumably may not protect themself.

[Boromir88]

Good point Mith, so I guess if the plan is to work then Sauron would have to step out and name who he/she has dreamed of. There is a possibility though that though the heroes probably went after who they thought was Sauron, and Draugluin protected the same person, that that person may not be Sauron. However, at this stage in the game I'd say it would be too risky to try and bet on.

[mormegil]

Who died and made you the King of Tol Sirion, anyway?

I think you innocent, Master Mormegil, but your insistence on trying to direct the ways of the village are irksome, and could easily point to Elvish trickery.

Nobody you twit but perhaps this Island would be better served if nobody tried to set forth plans or establish some leadership. I do not want leadership, however I am not afraid to voice my thoughts and ideas and I am ready to accept that not all would want to agree. Perhaps you would rather all of us be silent?

Although I can see a benefit to the village of doing so, I also think that you would be robbing the village of the chance to benefit from their experience for a day longer. Furthermore, this plays right into the hands of the Heroes, who have thus far been totally clueless.

I answer that with a quote from me.

The plan might be best implemented today however it may be best to do tomorrow.

How does this play into the Hero's hands? If they are likely to be dead in two nights?

You ALWAYS seem to want the Gifted ones to step forward and tell all.

No I always want to win and I will do what it takes to win.

[Meneltarmacil]

Apology accepted, Mithalwen. However, though being the Alpha male has it's benefits, I really don't care much for the leadership role. I prefer being able to do what I want on my own time without having to mediate petty quarrels, avoid murder attemps by ambitious underlings, and such. But thanks anyway.

It seems my theory may have been correct. Rune, "Hero #3," is now dead, and that leaves Heroes 1 and 2, at least one of which likely voted for Glirdan the first round. I find it unlikely that one of them voted for Rune, at least not early on.

People Voting for Glirdan, Against Rune:
Formendacil
Farael
WaynetheGoblin
mormegil

The name that stands out the most here would be Farael, and he is now my prime suspect for Hero #1. Oddwen, another suspect I had for Hero #1, does not appear that suspicious anymore as Rune would not have been killed if she had voted for someone else.

As for Hero #2, Dancing spawn is certainly possible, as she was one of the Kitanna voters. However, since her "third vote" for Nonnacedak was a cross-post with Sauce, it is diffucult to accuse her of jumping on a bandwagon. The only person we could consider as being part of a "Nonna bandwagon" is Boromir88, and there is little evidence that would point to him. However, spawn may be a Hero who, like Rune was just going to vote for an easy target, which Nonnacedak was due to the many suspicions of him.

In conclusion, Farael is my top suspect, followed by dancing spawn.

[Boromir88]

I think Gurthang explains pretty well as far as why Kitanna didn't vote for Rune. I think another reason could have been that if she voted for Rune it would of course look like she's saving herself (which we would expect from any one whether innocent or not). So, if Rune turned out to be innocent Kitanna would expect to be dead next day. So, either way Kitanna felt like she would be dead soon whether it be today or the next, truly I noble sacrifice for a wolf. I would have prepared the body for proper burial if it wasn't the case that we needed something to eat. Oh well, still doesn't make her sacrifice less noble.

Ok, so this is purely off voting and hopefully later I can decipher some more. Voting was spread out yesterday, which could give us some helpful clues.

For Rune:
Meneltarmacil
Kath
Oddwen

For Kitanna:
Eomer
Mormegil
Spawn

For Spawn:
Farael
Nonnacedak

For Farael:
Gurthang
Wayne

For others:
Lhuna-Oddwen
Formendacil-Mith
Boromir-Nonnacedak
Mithalwen-Meneltarmacil
Kitanna-Mormegil
Rune-Formendacil

Now based off voting yesterday I'm not ready to exempt anyone who voted for Menel as a sure innocent. Though it does show favor to Kath and Oddwen as being innocent. Since voting was close they delivered crucial votes to end Rune's pathetic little life. Menel's vote doesn't clear him, he was the first vote, and it's possible that he didn't believe Rune would be lynched that day, but if Rune is happened to be lynched he'd have a good record to point to and say "See I voted for a hero." But, as of right now I have no reason to think Menel, or anyone who voted for Rune as another hero partner. Though I did find his argument against Rune well done yesterday (as I pointed out yesteray, and it turned out to be he was true) so right now anyone who voted for Rune looks pretty favorable. Though I'm not going to cast any of them off as sure innocents.

For those who voted for Kitanna I would probably say Eomer is the most suspicious of them. Spawn's vote looks bad, but as an experiences wolf (or perhaps human? She should expect that such a vote would make her look bad). Could it be a bluff possibly, but right now I think of those who voted for Kitanna, Eomer would look the most hero-esque simply because it would be a safer vote for a hero to hide in instead of someone like Spawn's vote. As much as I'd hate to admit, our crabby wolf does have a point in that someone has to propose ideas and find ways to win. Mr. Morm is acting no different from any other wolving adventures I've been on him with, he's always the one to propose plans, as crazy or "evil-intended" as they sound (i.e. saying our gifteds should come forward) his plans are usually with the best of intentions. Though, it's possible he knows this and is only using it for his own evil purposes, I do doubt it, and think our crabby wolf is just trying to help.

As far as some of the other votes go. Now, my main reason for saying I would suspect those who voted for Spawn was because she was not here a lot yesterday and would be an easy target to pile up on. I did not want another bandwagon started, especially against someone who wasn't here and explained she wasn't going to be here. After her vote Spawn will have a lot of explaining to do, but based on yesterday Farael's and Nonna's vote both seem like an attempt to get the ball rolling against Spawn, and I still hold those same beliefs. Nonna's vote especially looks like an attempt to get the ball rolling.

As far as some of the other votes, I'm afraid I can't make much out of them, seems like people just voted for who they believed to be guilty. Though a hero is probably hiding in there somewhere, I can't make out those votes, perhaps someone will be able to.

I will say my vote for Nonna is because I highly suspect him, no one changed my mind for who to vote yesterday and his vote for Spawn only made him look more heroish in my eyes.

[Boromir88]

Well, I'm posting again because I guess it's about time for me to start grouping people here...

Seems fairly innocent:
Meneltarmacil
Oddwen
Kath

Unsure, yet I'm willing to trust:
Mithalwen
Mormegil
Gurthang

Plain out unsure about:
Formendacil
Farael
Wayne
Lhuna

Who I'm keeping my eyes on:
Nonna
Spawn
Eomer

I think that's everyone.

[Mithalwen]

I am still analysing but unlike Boromir so far I think it highly unlikely that anyone who voted for Rune is a hero if you look at when they voted and the sequence - thank you Mr Grumpy-Morm!

[Farael]

Morm, Morm... are you a eager wolf or a cunning Hero? I must say I did not suspected you until today but am I the only one to notice a shortcoming in your plan? what if one of the heroes said to be Sauron? it would be a risky act, but would you risk devouring the true Sauron? even if it is a 50% chance, with only one hero left he/she could meassure his/her time and play it safe. Without Sauron we would have no way of knowing who the hero is but to have him/her make a mistake and he/she could easily attack Dragulin the first night and avoid Carcharoth so that he/she does not get accidentally killed. Your idea is noble indeed but too risky, not only for the gifteds who I'm sure are willing to risk their lives for the rest of us, but for all of us werewolves, warg and man. If we manage to get another hero, then we should consider that plan again, because it would be suicidal for the hero to pretend to be gifted.

Also, keep in mind that this sneaky hero could easily say he dreamt about Dragulin, Rune and anyone else and that he/she knew their roles. How are we going to tell it's a lie if the gifteds come out?

To explain my vote for spawn as I don't want to make myself more suspicious to those who already suspect me, I still believe that there is at least one hero in the Nonna bandwagon and I am not suspecting Boromir as much as before.

Regarding to-nights suspicions I shall think some more about them. I realize I'm walking the thin edge and I don't want to make you devour an innocent man just by mistake.

[WaynetheGoblin]

Werewolfs take the lead yae it looks like menel is innicent for being first to vote for rune i think the heros might of gone for him. i do not suspect kath as much now i didnt know that was the reason she didnt vote on night 1.that is all i have to say good bye.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Kath

Now from a purely instinctual point of view those I'm not too keen on at the moment are Oddwen, morm and Lhuna. I just want to watch a while today and see if my suspicions are founded in any way.

I don't quite understand Kath's suspicion of Oddwen. If the votes tell anything, it would really seem that both wolf ladies are true lycans and nothing more.

Originally Posted by morm

This puts Spawn in a bad light though I'm not sure why Kitanna didn't vote Rune to save herself?!?!

Funny you should say that when you yourself tied Kitanna with me and Farael.

I believe that you realize that I wouldn't have voted myself at that stage because I'm sure of my innocence, but I can't be 100% sure about anyone else's. I had become suspicious of Farael only that Night whereas I had been unsure of Kitanna already the night before. I hadn't a clue that Kath had cast her vote for Rune thus giving yet another person a second vote. I was confused about the voting deadline, that was my mistake. When I saw Kath's vote I hadn't time to start analysing Rune's behaviour since I was just concerned to break the tie between Kitanna, Farael and me before the Night would end. I understand now that I should have voted myself like Kitanna did, so you wouldn't suspect me anymore... I try to remember that in the future.

About morm's plan - if we want to use it, we need to consider carefully, when to do it. If the Seer and Draugluin step forward, we'll lose them both in the next Days unless we can't catch the Heroes first. However, if Draugluin and the Heroes both picked the Seer yesterDay, s/he'll be gone after next Day and we might not be able to decipher, whom s/he had dreamed of. We would still have our Draugluin left, though.

I'm so tired now that the lines don't stay straight. I'll take a nap and come back when I'm able to think again.

[Mithalwen]

Farael - you get more suspicious by the second.
Some of us have already pointed out flaws but this is unlikely I feel. It is harder to claim to be Sauron than any other gifted. Sauron has more knowledge than anyone at this point. Anyone claiming to be Sauron tonight has to fake 3 dreams that are plausible with their voting and posting. I personally am not certain of the Dark Lord's identity and will not speculate since you can all read as well as I.

But at the moment I must say, you are heading up my hit list , Farael.

You have consistently attracted much suspicion - no smoke without fire?

[mormegil]

I would welcome the hero being stupid enough to claim to be Sauron. The point is we will loose Sauron soon enough, if this is done, and the Hero will identify him/herself for us. Then we'd be down to one Hero and many known innocent. The idea of the double devouring each day is to kill unknowns faster than the Hero can kill known innocents and we win! However, I agree with Mith those comments of yours moved you up to very high on my list. I say that Farael and Gurthang our the Heros.

The key to my plan is Sauron. He/She knows how much or little he/she knows currently. So if Sauron were to step forward perhaps all gifteds should comply as well. I don't think it will happen today but tomorrow would be ideal. The only problem is what if the Heros get Sauron tonight. A lot of information could be lost. I leave it in Sauron's hands to decide what is best.

Edit: 2000th post

[Boromir88]

I've been scrounging through the records these last days and something with Gurthang just doesn't sit right with me now. Day 1 he randomly votes Rune (which I think everyone's votes early on are pretty much random...if not all the time, it just seems like we're lunging into the dark and hoping our claws find threachurous blood). Anyway, Day 1, Gurthang tosses out a vote for Rune for some reason.

And, what about this, I'm actually going to agree with Nonna's Post 81 where he marks this as odd and just seems like a throw away. Gurthang's reason for voting for Rune (as he explains it), was first he doesn't mind bandwagoning, he doesn't see a problem in it, but he doesn't join in he just throws out a vote. His vote seems like...

1) A hero that doesn't want to get his sword dirty in an innocent's death. Knowing that if he tagged a long it would seem like "bandwagoning" and also he would get his sword fresh with innocent wolf blood.

2) By voting for Rune, if Rune every happens to by eaten (which is the next day as we see) he atleast looks semi-safe. Gurthang's vote was a safe move for a hero to make and I now have my eye set upon him.

Despite my actually agreeing with Nonnacedak it doesn't make him seem any better to me, but Gurthang has quickly moved up my list.

I may be in the minority here, but to me Farael's post really doesn't make him seem more suspicious, it actually seems to be in good intentions and a reasonable question. Of course it would be hard and actually rather stupid for a hero to claim to be Sauron. However, we know how us wolves are in situations like this, when we're attacking villages. I've seen fellow wolves pull off successful disguises of being a gifted. Though it results in their own death eventually, a good guise as a gifted is able to draw them out and get them killed in the process, also just establish total chaos and confusion in the village. So, I don't see why Farael pointing out additional faults in Morm's plan makes him look more suspicious, I actually find it as a reasonable logical thing to point out. What if a hero tried to claim to be Sauron? Grant it, the hero would most likely seal his/her own fate, but a successful attempt could bring out the gifteds and get them killed in the process, as well as split the pack in two and cause chaos.

So my updated, adjusted suspect list, in no particular order:

Nonnacedak
Gurthang
Spawn
Eomer

[Nonnacedak]

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Nonnacedak

At the moment Gurthang is definatly moving up my suspect list. I still suspect Dancing Spawn but because of recent posts I am leaning towards Gurthang. Like I said and B88 reiterated his random switch from me to Rune at the very beginning looks like he was trying to do a quick Hero cover at the beginning by starting a vote for a fellow Hero.

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.

First off, I'll explain my first day vote. Which probably won't make any difference.

Glirdan had four votes. I didn't suspect him, but I had no reason not to, either. So I just said the bandwagon was fine with me. I had mentioned Nonnacedak early, and this is why you are questioning me. Was it not because you are a scavenger that I questioned you? I accused you for your occupation, as many do on the first day. We really have nothing to go on then, so we randomly accuse and gauge reactions. Nothing about your reaction stuck out to me, so I let it go. Now, since then I have noticed scraps here and there against you (so you are wrong saying Boromir is the only one to suspect you.). Notice that the same has happened to Farael; early I was worried about him(don't know if I posted saying so or not), but found that it was just for him being a werewolf-in-denial. Since I have become suspicious for other reasons.

So, when it came time that I had to vote, I really had nothing. So, rather than not vote or vote for someone who already had votes who I did not suspect, I quickly thought of anything that I could use as an excuse to vote for someone. I remembered Glirdan mentioning Rune's confusing post (which had slightly confused me, also) and so I used that. I jumped on the first thing that came to mind, so if that's a cop-out, then I'm guilty of it.

Now I'm really getting uneasy about all these people suspecting me. Morm and Oddwen have put forth good reasons and are making sense to me (despite being wrong), so I don't hold that against them. Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two. Nonna has come out again (he's suspected me before) but he's been silent about me for awhile, and I really feel like he's just coming back now that there's more support against me.

I'm still leaning on Farael, and Nonna is really close up there, too. I'll try to glance through the thread before Night ends, but I'll most likely vote for one of them.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, what can I say? There's some evidence for Nonnacedak and Gurthang turning up that I'll have to look into, Nonna may actually be looking a little more suspicious than spawn right now.

However, I'm going to stick to my guns and vote

++Farael

[Boromir88]

Now B88 you were the only person to vote for me last voting round and you are constantly putting me at the top of your suspect list. You do this but you really never say why I'm your main suspect.... Since your the only one that suspects me and you always just put my name and never try to prove that I'm a Hero I really shouldn't care to much. I guess your just baffeling me.~Nonna

Let's see,

Post 44 gives the reason for voting for you on Day 1. Day 1 we don't have a lot to go off of, I felt like your vote for Meneltarmacil was because he had suspected you. Mormegil thinks it's an "over-reaction" and uses it to suspect me, but me personally, I felt this as on odd action, and really the most suspisious thing on Day 1.

Day 2, I really wasn't convinced in anyone else's guilt so I stuck with yours. In fact as I clearly stated in post 148 (and earlier today in post 188 I will suspect anyone who voted for Spawn, because we were aware that she would not be there that day very often and with her absense it would be easier to go after if she isn't here to explain herself. I saw your vote as this precise thing, especially since it was after Farael's who had first voted for Spawn.

Also, just something doesn't sit right in me. Just some of your comments like where you more than eagerly jump onto the idea that someone who voted for you had to be a hero. Seems like you have this thought out that someone who suspects you or votes for you has to be a hero.

It just strikes me as strange that you are rather persistant in seeing the people who vote for you dead. Persistant in that I have not explained my reasonings for suspecting you (and yet as I show above I have laid them out, whether others agree with me or not is a different problem, that's why I suspect you and I've laid it out and your insistance that I have not done so only I hope raises more eyebrows). You've been very anxious to kill the one's who have voted for you, makes me wonder if you and your little hero-buddy tried to wack me last night.

Boromir, I'm not sure, he's got a valid point in his post, but I almost feel like he's jumping out because of the other two.

Well unless if it comes down to you or someone who I feel likely to be innocent than don't expect yourself to be in my stomach today. My post was mainly to basically cancel this one:

Unsure, yet I'm willing to trust:
Mithalwen
Mormegil
Gurthang

Because, at that time you seemed to make sense (and you still do with your reasons for suspecting on Day 1), but just going through some posts your vote for Rune on Day 1 sticks out, and it very well could be for the reason that you say, only time will tell.