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The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive.
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On the contrary, if the innocents can manage to trick the wolves it can be very helpful. I've seen some amazing feats of deception from ordos. I'll let you figure out how yourself, though.
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All I meant there was that I'd witnessed him do that himself as a Gifted, and I saw nothing suspicious about him bringing it up.
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Rikae, what game did some innocents trick the wolves so well? I kind of unintentionally tricked Boro into making a slip last game when I posted my ranger suspicions involving Mac. Also you all seem to be forgetting something. The bear. If we can figure out who he or she is we can maybe ask him or her to kill off someone that might be a wolf during the night phase.
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Truthfully I've been up since 9, and knew you had not reached 5 pages. But I haven't been able to check in since getting up, and now that I have and re-check and we are at 5...you all live!
P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time.
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If you really want to see examples, you're welcome to read through the 20+ games I've played over the last three years. You know, it's funny - Hansy thought that villagers could control werebears, too. You really have a lot in common. I'll tell you what we told him: werebears are out for themselves and have no reason to help the village. If we find the werebear, he can't win. Village and werebear cannot win together. |
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Innocents play tricks, gifteds play tricks, wolves play tricks. Some wolves don't play tricks, too, and still win. The key is to figure out people's intentions behind what trickery or non-trickery they do. Not an easy task, of course.
Hakon, if we figure out who the bear is, the wolves obviously know the same and the bear will die right away anyway. Also, the bear is the role which is among the hardest to figure out and since he is not our side, he won't reveal out of kindness. |
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That is true. I still think the bear can kill at least one person we are suspicious of. Rikae, it is great that you think I am like another member but this Hansy guy sounds like a person I should not want to be like. I would also like to point out Phantom gave me the idea of using the bear. His post where he mentions the codes also talks about the bear.
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Why do you think the bear would do what you say, Hakon?
As for you should want to be like Hansy or not, that's your call. He was around right before you joined, but seems to have not been back since. Last edited by Rikae; 08-13-2009 at 08:51 AM. Reason: that should say "as for whether you should..." |
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Not what I specifically say but what all of us decide. Really once the bear was found out he or she would either be lynched soon after or killed by the wolves.
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Phantom's post about the werebear is coherent enough for me. If I were the bear I would begin to target wolves too. It is worthwhile to form a temporary alliance for the bear as the greatest danger to him/her is the wolves who will be active in searching for him to be sure.
To get things moving ++Hakon I think him pulling on the fact that I mentioned phantom pre-game is odd and seems an attempt to cast early suspicions. Clearly it failed and he wisely backed off but the seed was still planted. It could be knee-jerk but I still thought it odd. Of course, and as always Rikae is somewhat suspicious.
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It seems to me flushing out the Bear will be more difficult than finding the wolves. The bear isn't bound by loyalties to anyone, meaning they can freely vote for wolves at any time with no worries. In fact, it's in their best interest to do so, since the wolves are an obvious threat to them as well.
Edit- Just saw Mormegil's post
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If we find the bear, we lynch xem. |
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Well, the phantom thinks the bear would do what he says... maybe phantomitis is catching. EDIT:X'd since Rikae at #171.
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And I think all this bear talk is a sidetrack with the whiff of wolvery or cobblery about it.
Good bear strategy changes with the circumstances. Talking about it on Day one is nothing but a massive waste of time. |
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Because we can use the bear to kill a possible wolf or cobbler. Morm I am hoping you retract that vote. I am very arrogant it is just starting to show since I have started speaking to the Phantom.
Crossed with Rikae's 177.
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Phantom hopes, but I highly doubt it'll work. However, giving advice to a hidden bear who thinks xe has a chance to win, and attempting to give orders to a known bear who has nothing to lose are two completely different things. The first is a long shot, the second is completely ridiculous.
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To the pain means... Oh, wait, that's not it. Why exactly do you think we can control the bear if we know xyr role? |
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I swear, if this persists, I'll vote Hakon out of sheer irritation.
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Crossed with Rikae's 181.
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Since the bear will be dead either way we might as well try and ask the bear to kill someone for us. It is a long shot but I think it is worth a try and the key thing to remember here is that it only works if we figure who the bear is and since that is not a priority right now this plan will probably never happen.
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Hakon, you do realize the bear's one of the bad guys, don't you?
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Yes I know that. I am pointing out that the bear can be used to our(the villagers) advantage.
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I'm sure the wolves are very amused by this bear-discussion.
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That's a big if, btw. Most likely, if the bear will be lynched, it will be out of general suspiciousness rather than a concrete one. |
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Please don't make me explain this again. This is not why I play werewolf. |
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Now, for God's sake, people, stop this foolishness! If I lack better suspects I'll vote Hakon on the grounds that even if he is innocent, he's only a liability to the village. That might seem harsh, but for crying out loud... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I understand. I mean if I do not have any suspects I am voting anyone who uses backwards text later in the day.
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Why aren't we asking the wolves to kill the bear, too? In fact, why don't we just make it a formal request?
Dear Bear and Wolves, Please kill each other and not us. Yours Sincerely, The Villagers. I'm sure they'll all listen. EDIT: X'd with Hakon.
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I'm not going to waste a vote on you unless I don't see anyone more suspicious, but I'm going to have to stop responding to you, for the sake of my blood pressure. Last edited by Rikae; 08-13-2009 at 10:01 AM. Reason: edited according to mod's instructions. |
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Morm, thank you for retracting it.
EDIT: I removed all personal content from the post. Now it is just the one line.
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Mod Note!
Personal conversations that could be considered offensive such as the one currently progressing are to be terminated immediately. Please delete all such content or I will delete it. Boromir is aware of this.
WW games should not result in personal attacks or insults!
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The odds of such a situation arising are very tiny, but just in case, why not reach out to him? It's not like it hurts anything. As far as Hakon's talk about discussing our surveys, I don't see anything wrong with it. Frankly, I believe Boro intended us to discuss it, and possibly gain suspicions from it (and of course lie about our results). I agree that it would be in poor taste to actually quote any PM sent to or received from the Mods, but I see nothing wrong with stating "I said I couldn't read so-and-so", because really we have no idea how the information was used. If I recall, it seems to me that Boro almost dared us to guess how he was using the info. Quote:
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Content deleted because it was a reply to something Hakon said at #198, which has been removed.
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