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The Perky Ent · 03-04-2004, 05:56 PM

Eorl is Eomer's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather!

Nirvana II · 03-04-2004, 06:17 PM

not quite....almost there

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-04-2004, 08:32 PM

Hummm...I count Eomer as the 18th generation from Eorl. That would make Eorl the great (times 15) grandpappy of Eomer.

Would you give a hint as to the relationship you are looking for in your answer?

symestreem · 03-04-2004, 09:14 PM

Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-05-2004, 07:13 AM

Oops, I said Eomer was 18 generations after Eorl. I should have said that 18 generations were represented counting these two.
Eomer was actually 17 generations from Eorl, not 16 as you said.

Since, Eomer is the 17th after Eorl; Eorl would be Eomer's 15xgreat grandfather.

Nirvana II · 03-05-2004, 09:53 AM

not yet

hint:Eomer wasnt in Eorl's right line

symestreem · 03-05-2004, 02:41 PM

Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.

Nirvana II · 03-05-2004, 02:51 PM

nope

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-05-2004, 07:34 PM

Well... when the Second and Third Lines of the Kings of the Mark began, they began with the nephew of the prior king. However, their mothers were sisters of the prior king, daughters of the king before that. So, they were in the direct line descending from Eorl.
Or, do you have different information? Or, are you thinking of something else entirely?

Nirvana II · 03-06-2004, 06:45 PM

i have different information

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-07-2004, 05:56 PM

I find it hard to fault symestreem's analysis:

Quote:

Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine
->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda
->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel
->Theodwyn->Eomer

That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.

and

Quote:

Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.

Which means that luthien-elvenprincess's original answer is surely correct:

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Eorl would be Eomer's great (x15)-grandpa.

I am not sure where you are going with this one, Nirvana II, but it seems to me that luthien-elvenprincess has it. If you disagree, I think that, in the circumstances, you ought perhaps to explain why.

Nirvana II · 03-08-2004, 10:01 AM

Saucepan Man,my good fellow, she isnt correct one one reason.........Eomer is Eorl's 15x great nephew!not grandson !i will give luthien the go.....

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 10:55 AM

Nirvana, you are wrong. Eomer's mother, Theodwyn, was the daughter of king Thengel.

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-08-2004, 02:47 PM

Yeah...(victory dance)

I don't mean to belabor the point...but I still count Eomer as the 17th generation after Eorl. (moves gracefully on)

What is Gloredhel to Rian?

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 03:03 PM

Gloredhel was Rian's husband's aunt.

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-08-2004, 07:44 PM

yes, yes, yes, NightKnight.

NightKnight · 03-09-2004, 08:32 AM

What was Elwë to Elrond, in both ways please!

Miriel · 03-09-2004, 11:26 AM

*groans*
Um ... great great grandfather, and ... great great great uncle?

NightKnight · 03-10-2004, 01:39 AM

I just realized I thought of the wrong person. *Hits self* That should have been Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen, and not Elrond. *Hits self again* Well, since they are only related in one way, and you got it, I'll give it to you. *Smacks self really hard*

Miriel · 03-11-2004, 12:44 PM

Be calm, NightKnight, I'm sure we'll forgive you.

(yeah right...)
Anyway, name Gil-galad's (male) cousin's father's wife's brother's father's half-brother's wife's father.
And I hope you have as much fun working it out as I did making it up. *innocent smile*

NightKnight · 03-11-2004, 01:46 PM

And that would be Mahtan.

Tricksy one there.

Miriel · 03-12-2004, 02:18 PM

*grins*
Well done, Nightknight, correct.

NightKnight · 03-13-2004, 06:00 AM

It was actually fun.

So, who was Agarwaen's "stepfather"'s brother's daughter's husband?

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 07:48 AM

Finarfin?

NightKnight · 03-13-2004, 08:35 AM

Correct.

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 10:07 AM

Maybe something a little bit easier.

Túrin and Brandir.

The Perky Ent · 03-13-2004, 10:13 AM

Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather...so um...third cousins? If not, then i'm stickin with Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!

NightKnight · 03-13-2004, 10:25 AM

They were second cousins.

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 10:28 AM

Umm, I was looking for second cousins, but that is the same thing as Perky Ent's "Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!" So whoever posts the next question first can carry on.

The Perky Ent · 03-13-2004, 10:31 AM

Gimli and Dain

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 10:39 AM

There were two Dáins. If you mean Dáin I then he is Gimli's great-great-great-uncle. If you mean Dáin II Ironfoot then they are 3rd cousins once removed.

The Perky Ent · 03-13-2004, 10:53 AM

You're right, but only if you tell me what once removed means!

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 06:52 PM

It has to do with generations. So Glóin and Dáin are third cousins, and Gimli being Glóin's son is once removed.

The Perky Ent · 03-13-2004, 06:57 PM

um...sure! Your turn!

Firefoot · 03-13-2004, 07:09 PM

Lotho Sackville-Baggins and Frodo.

Fingolfin II · 03-13-2004, 10:48 PM

First Cousins?

Thorongil · 03-14-2004, 04:45 AM

Third cousins?

Firefoot · 03-14-2004, 06:31 AM

Thorongil has it.

NightKnight · 03-21-2004, 10:01 AM

*Bumps to the top*
Thorongil?

Thorongil · 03-22-2004, 01:56 AM

Oh,sorry. I forgot this thread. I can't make a new one right now, but I'll post another in 8-9 hours.

03-04-2004, 05:56 PM	#161
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Eorl is Eomer's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-04-2004, 06:17 PM	#162
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	not quite....almost there __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-04-2004, 08:32 PM	#163
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Hummm...I count Eomer as the 18th generation from Eorl. That would make Eorl the great (times 15) grandpappy of Eomer. Would you give a hint as to the relationship you are looking for in your answer? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-05-2004, 07:13 AM	#165
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Oops, I said Eomer was 18 generations after Eorl. I should have said that 18 generations were represented counting these two. Eomer was actually 17 generations from Eorl, not 16 as you said. Since, Eomer is the 17th after Eorl; Eorl would be Eomer's 15xgreat grandfather. __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-05-2004, 09:53 AM	#166
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	not yet hint:Eomer wasnt in Eorl's right line __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-04-2004, 09:14 PM	#164
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Eorl->Brego->Aldor->Frea->Freawine ->Goldwine->Deor->Gram->Helm's sister (Hild?)->Frealaf->Brytta/Leofa->Walda ->Folca->Folcwine->Fengel->Thengel ->Theodwyn->Eomer That makes Eomer the sixteenth generation after Eorl.

03-05-2004, 02:41 PM	#167
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Eomer was a direct descendant of Eorl, just not always through the male line.

03-05-2004, 02:51 PM	#168
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	nope __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-05-2004, 07:34 PM	#169
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Well... when the Second and Third Lines of the Kings of the Mark began, they began with the nephew of the prior king. However, their mothers were sisters of the prior king, daughters of the king before that. So, they were in the direct line descending from Eorl. Or, do you have different information? Or, are you thinking of something else entirely? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-06-2004, 06:45 PM	#170
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	i have different information __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-08-2004, 10:01 AM	#172
Nirvana II Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Yellow Submarine....sandwich Posts: 207	Saucepan Man,my good fellow, she isnt correct one one reason.........Eomer is Eorl's 15x great nephew!not grandson !i will give luthien the go..... __________________ Это - российская вещь, Вы не поняли бы. Вы - пончик желе! Я оказался снова. Частное сообщение меня, если Вы понимаете.

03-08-2004, 10:55 AM	#173
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Nirvana, you are wrong. Eomer's mother, Theodwyn, was the daughter of king Thengel. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 02:47 PM	#174
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Yeah...(victory dance) I don't mean to belabor the point...but I still count Eomer as the 17th generation after Eorl. (moves gracefully on) What is Gloredhel to Rian? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-08-2004, 03:03 PM	#175
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Gloredhel was Rian's husband's aunt. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 07:44 PM	#176
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	yes, yes, yes, NightKnight. __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-09-2004, 08:32 AM	#177
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	What was Elwë to Elrond, in both ways please! __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-09-2004, 11:26 AM	#178
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	groans Um ... great great grandfather, and ... great great great uncle? __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-10-2004, 01:39 AM	#179
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	I just realized I thought of the wrong person. Hits self That should have been Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen, and not Elrond. Hits self again Well, since they are only related in one way, and you got it, I'll give it to you. Smacks self really hard __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-11-2004, 12:44 PM	#180
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Be calm, NightKnight, I'm sure we'll forgive you. (yeah right...) Anyway, name Gil-galad's (male) cousin's father's wife's brother's father's half-brother's wife's father. And I hope you have as much fun working it out as I did making it up. innocent smile __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-11-2004, 01:46 PM	#181
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	And that would be Mahtan. Tricksy one there. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-12-2004, 02:18 PM	#182
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	grins Well done, Nightknight, correct. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-13-2004, 06:00 AM	#183
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	It was actually fun. So, who was Agarwaen's "stepfather"'s brother's daughter's husband? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-13-2004, 07:48 AM	#184
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Finarfin?

03-13-2004, 08:35 AM	#185
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Correct. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-13-2004, 10:07 AM	#186
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Thanks NightKnight Maybe something a little bit easier. Túrin and Brandir.

03-13-2004, 10:13 AM	#187
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather...so um...third cousins? If not, then i'm stickin with Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-13-2004, 10:25 AM	#188
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	They were second cousins. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-13-2004, 10:28 AM	#189
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Umm, I was looking for second cousins, but that is the same thing as Perky Ent's "Brandir's great uncle is Turin's Grandfather!" So whoever posts the next question first can carry on.

03-13-2004, 10:31 AM	#190
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Gimli and Dain __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-13-2004, 10:39 AM	#191
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	There were two Dáins. If you mean Dáin I then he is Gimli's great-great-great-uncle. If you mean Dáin II Ironfoot then they are 3rd cousins once removed.

03-13-2004, 10:53 AM	#192
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	You're right, but only if you tell me what once removed means! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-13-2004, 06:52 PM	#193
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It has to do with generations. So Glóin and Dáin are third cousins, and Gimli being Glóin's son is once removed.

03-13-2004, 06:57 PM	#194
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	um...sure! Your turn! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-13-2004, 07:09 PM	#195
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Lotho Sackville-Baggins and Frodo.

03-13-2004, 10:48 PM	#196
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	First Cousins? __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.