Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Rikae]

I guess I'm now supposed to provide you with a narration worthy of the outstanding, incredible, inconceivable, and utterly unbelievable phantom...

...but I'm already in my pyjamas. ~Mac

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)
Ka (wolf)
Shasta (ordo)
Mormegil (wolf)
Nogrod (wolf)
Boromir88 (seer)
Sally (ordo)
the phantom (ordo)

Alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

[Thinlómien]

No one has said anything yet?!

Looks like Lommy the Flood-poster is needed once again. I'll check a few other threads first, but then I'll come back here to hunt some werewolf. Beware!

[Thinlómien]

Okay, this is the list of who are alive:

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

Of these, I can rule myself out, and most probably Gil too. So, the list looks something like this:

Brinniel
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune

Currently, Kath strikes me as very innocent and so does Greenie, after all. So, those whom I actually suspect are:

Brinniel
Gwathagor
Ilya
Nerwen
Rune

I'm not particularily worried about Nerwen, Brinn or Ilya, though. They feel pretty genuine. So, that leaves me with:

Gwathagor
Rune

They are my main suspects right now. I hope I'm able to look at both of them toDay. But I would not like to forget about others either... so I'll see what I have time to do. I feel that a proper reread would help a lot, but I'm not as insane as to read all the 42 pages with 1642 posts in total.

[A Little Green]

My instincts suck at this game. Argh.

I'll try to post something more substantial soon, but for now, DO NOT VOTE ME AS REP TODAY if you want a rep who has time for playing! I probably won't be around at all on the second half of the Day or then only make a quick turn around here, and I'll certainly miss the whole of next Day as well if such a Day comes. That's unfortunate but no can do.

Other than that - I'll make a list toDay, surely, but the ones I'm considering for rep at this point are probably Lommy and Rune. Have to see though...

[A Little Green]

Not x-ed with Nerwen. I feel abandoned.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think sally seems a bit too apologetic, nervous and nice. If she's the last wolf that's understandble as there's quite a lot of pressure on her. On the other hand, she has said she's really stressed and that may affect her behaviour, so her nervousness doesn't necessarily mean anything.

It's funny, I don't suspect Rune at all, even though I have absolutely no reason to trust him. He baffles me a little by differing in his opinions from the rest of the village. That's nicely refreshing. (But... I'm wondering - do I recall correctly that that has been the trademark of a wolvish Rune actually? Hmmm... I have to keep an eye on him.) I can't really bring myself to distrust Brinn either... I guess it's just gut-feeling, then. And as for Nerwen, I feel my non-suspicion of her is just a bit more reasonable.

The others I suspect to some degree. Sally the most. Greenie seems kind of genuine, but I can so very well see her as a bold wolf. Rune's suspicion of Gwath strikes me as misguided, I think Gwath is probably an ordo... but I probably think that just because he's flown completely under my radar. I'm really unsure what to think of Kath and Ilya.

As for Gil, I think this pretty much sums it up:

Of course, the moddesses could just have picked his kill for him, but that would be totally unfair...

As for sally's eagerness to lynch Gil, it is indeed a bit weird. Why couldn't it have waited? The numbers favour us at the moment, so we could have afforded a double lynch, yes. But why make it if the subject is probably innocent? Why not wait and see a few Days? Like now Kath has provided us with a point that almost proves Gil's innocence. But an evil sally could have wanted to reduce the number of the innocents, for now that she has been left alone, she will have to walk a rocky path to win. Also, although she explained it, her enthusiasm to take part in the lynch of morm and Nog looks a bit questionable indeed... I don't think it's a bad idea to lynch her toDay, as we have plenty of Days to try. And honestly, I think if we don't lynch sally sooner, she will become an enigma later.

I understand the sentiment perfectly, but I think an innocent sally could ("could", not "would") have voted me nevertheless, which in turn could have made me trust her more. This being like this, sally just strikes me as more nervous than before. Also, she could have simply said "Lommy will vote me and I don't want to die so I'll vote someone else" but now she masks it as "lynching me won't profit the village", which makes me raise eyebrows. Because, really, we can very well afford losing an ordo right now.

Oh, that's true. However, her PM inbox could just have been full so that she wouldn't have received the wolf PMs.... so we can't rule her out either.

Greenie was a bold wolf in her very first game, so I wouldn't put anything past her.


edit: xed with Gwath

I cut of the start of the post as it did not strike me as odd. . .

Anyways Lommy, I find it slightly disturbing the way you change your opinion so fast. I thought you did not suspect me at all, only that you thought my case against Gwathagor was "misguided", but now me and him are your top suspects and Greenie has totaly disapeared from your list of suspects.

Frankly that makes very little sense and I am looking forward to the explanation, I could have understood it if it was my case against Gwath that had made you suspicous, but surely it cannot be the case since he is your top suspect as well.

I won't judge you on this alone as it is very easy to "see" a werewolf when you yourself is their target, but it does seem like you are going for the easy kills. Kath, Brinn, Greenie and Ilya would be very hard to get lynched, me and Nerwen less so and Gwath is the most likely lynch candidate of all.

Of course you can never suest Gil as you wanted Sally lynched for that very reason, in genneral your whole reasoning about why wolves would kill Gil made little sense.
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Anyways I am under a lot of time pressiure right now, I need to get this paper about English Trade Unions in the 1800's done. . . If I don't I will fail my class as my examination is based on it.

I will be at the computer most of the day, but I won't have time to check in that often.

sorry

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Oh I forgot to add:

I feel it is about time I became a representative!

[Thinlómien]

Rune - my change of mind is simply because I've been thinking about things and because some of my feelings have changed. I cannot explain it any better.

If I was the last wolf, I can't see any benefit for me in going for the easy targets intentionally. I would have no fellows who could get lynched, and I'm currently if not the most trusted person in this village, then at least one of them, and thus I wouldn't probably be worried of getting myself lynched either. In fact, a sudden change of mind would be the last thing I would do, as it might arouse suspicions (like it just did).

(Anyway, I think we two are really hopeless, I think everytime one of us starts suspecting the other the suspicions is immediately returned. Reminds me of our very first ww game, awww. )

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Rune - my change of mind is simply because I've been thinking about things and because some of my feelings have changed. I cannot explain it any better.

If I was the last wolf, I can't see any benefit for me in going for the easy targets intentionally. I would have no fellows who could get lynched, and I'm currently if not the most trusted person in this village, then at least one of them, and thus I wouldn't probably be worried of getting myself lynched either. In fact, a sudden change of mind would be the last thing I would do, as it might arouse suspicions (like it just did).

(Anyway, I think we two are really hopeless, I think everytime one of us starts suspecting the other the suspicions is immediately returned. Reminds me of our very first ww game, awww. )

That is a rather poor reasoning, but even so I think you should have mentioned it in your post. . . It just seems weird to make such radical changes and not offer any sort of explanation.

I don't know if you have noticed, but there is gennerally not alot of acusations flying arround. . .
And btw Kath is way more trusted than you!

I think it would be a benefit for you, because if you stood out from the croud then you would naturaly gather attention. If you on the other hand go for the easy targets and don't look like you are just following what others have said, you get too look very innocent.

You make a good point about why a sudden change of mind might not be desirable for you as a wolf, I was aware of this already before I wrote my first post and I have thought much about it since. The result is inconclusive, maybe it was simply a slip, maybe you thought it would gather so much support that people did not find it odd or maybe you simply did not think people would notice.

Remember I am not crying "wolf wolf" I am just saying that your actions are very odd and naturaly that makes me keep an eye on you and put you on my list of possible lynch candidates.

(In our first game it was just a case of you being very silly)

[Nerwen]

Hello, all. I've had a really bad headache– that's why I didn't post earlier.

[Brinniel]

Hello all, I thought I would post real quick before hopping on a plane. As I already mentioned on the admin thread, I'm leaving town for Thanksgiving and won't be around much toDay. I don't know how often I'll be able to get online, probably not a lot...so don't expect much more than a few posts from me (and I notice Greenie seems to be in much of a similar situation).

Anyways, just a couple comments...

As of now, the person who continues to stand out as most suspicious to me is Gwath. His defenses didn't make me feel any better about him. Particularly this one:

Originally Posted by Gwath

Well...I think that if I am going to be lynched, it should be done toMorrow. I've hardly been involved so far (I don't like big villages), and my death at this point would provide very little information regarding other players. Let me interact some more - I'll make a concerted effort - and that way my death will create a point of reference from which to judge other players.

Obviously, I'd rather not die at all, but since the idea seems to be something of a popular phenomenon, I'd at least like to be useful to the village in my demise.

In short, don't tie me up with sally!

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

I still find Rune to be a bit suspicious, but I wonder if it's only because I happen to disagree with everything he says. So I'm a little hesitant with these suspicions I have, but I'd still like to keep an eye on him.

Everyone else is still mostly a question mark to me. My thoughts haven't changed all that much since yesterDay, so I won't bother making another list. If I actually had time to take a closer look at everybody I would, but I have to finish getting ready and run to the airport shortly.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hello, all. I've had a really bad headache– that's why I didn't post earlier.

Poor dear. Hope you are better now.

Hmmm. Rune raises a good point against Lommy - but then, her defense sounds reasonable and innocentish as well, so that exchange left me with little new.

A list, then, with the emphasis on who I could vote for rep. Don't know how much is new, but anyway. The names are in an order of preference, at least sort of. In the latter list the order is obviously from least pleasant choice to the most, as you can judge by Gil's position on the list.

I COULD VOTE AS REP:
Lommy
Rune
Nerwen
Kath
Brinn
These are all sensible, innocentish people who I don't suspect. (Innocentish people who I don't suspect? How surprising. ) I'd prefer Lommy or Rune as they are the ones I'm most certain of, but I wouldn't feel bad voting one of the latter three either.

I WON'T VOTE AS REP:
Gil-Galad - I think it's quite obvious.
Gwathy - I don't trust him at the moment and I have no idea what he thinks about people. Therefore a clear no. On the other hand given a rep status he would have to voice an opinion, but I don't like to start gambling. I rather vote for a rep who I feel more comfortable with.
Ilya - I have no read about her at all so I wouldn't feel very comfortable with voting her as my rep.


EDIT: x-ed with Brinn!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

I know. After I saw that I rather regretted not tying them after all.

EDIT: X'd with Greenie.

[Nerwen]

By the way, I'd prefer not to be a rep this time. I have to go to a wedding on lynching-day.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

This paper is giving me a bad headache. . .

So it seems that everyone is busy in one way or another and non have the time or energy to do proper wolf-searching?

It is a shame because we will end up lynching a person without much of a debate and basicly rely on luck to catch the last wolf. I think we should all try to make one "major" contribution per day, just to make sure that even on the slow days there will be something to analyse on. . .
Of course this is not binding as people clearly have RL comitments, but I think it would be a good general goal.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

As things is now I would prefer voting Kath or Ilya. . . I think. . .ok I cannot really decide, I will inform you when I have come to a decition.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

As things is now I would prefer voting Kath or Ilya. . . I think. . .

Why, though?

[Thinlómien]

Actually, Rune and Nerwen, crap my defense of why it would not make sense for me as a wolf to change my mind and seem possibly suspicious - indeed I believe I would be smart to do that as a wolf because then I could more explainably be alive after various Nights. But I believe that is not an issue importance.

Originally Posted by Brinn

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

Aye, good point that first one. And I agree that his posts late yesterDay were a bit weird - hey now Rune, I think that must have been one of the reasons why my opinion of him has changed.

My short debating with Rune toDay has made me feel a lot better about him. So I might even making a new 180 degree turn of my own... But i think I should really reread Rune's posts to get a proper picture of him. He has kind of flown under my radar all game. I'd also like to have a look at Gwath now that he has started to seem rather suspicious, and also, I'd like to have a look at Ilya soon since I used to suspect her and now I seem to discount her everytime I try to think who's the last wolf and I want to know why. I would like to have a look at Nerwen maybe too (because I've been thinking that maybe a wolf could be confused about ranger issues after all, even though it's unprobable).

Brinn, on the other hand, has moved to my "not probably wolvish" category to keep company to Kath and Greenie. I may admit she has given me a pretty innocent feeling for the last few Days, but I have kept semi-suspecting her just because of principle - I've been thinking "I surely feel good about her just because she's so helpful and she's always helpful, regardless of her role". Now I'm ready to leave that principle, at least for the time being, to get a more concentrated effort to wipe the last wolf out soon enough. Of course, I may reconsider her (and Greenie and Kath) later, if it seems I've chosen the wrong track.

PS.

Originally Posted by Rune

(In our first game it was just a case of you being very silly)

I could actually happily agree with that.

[Gwathagor]

I think that only about half of the suspicion I've garnered is deserved. I've done some weird stuff (I've been quiet, furtive, unhelpful, etc.), which has formed the basis of the distrust, but the fact that everyone keeps saying that they don't trust me has amplified and heightened the general sense everyone has that I must really be suspicious. If you talk about it enough, it eventually becomes true.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

First off, how did he know there was going to be a toMorrow? And secondly, this entire defense just sounds like a desperate plea from a wolf to stay alive one more Day.

First, I didn't know. I likely would have voted for sally if I had been a rep, but I wasn't sure and I wanted to provide for the possibility that she was not the final wolf.

Second, innocent players are just as likely to make desperate pleas as wolves are - perhaps more so, since a lot of wolves like to play it cool straight through the end.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Anyways Lommy, I find it slightly disturbing the way you change your opinion so fast.

This is an interesting point. I guess I wouldn't try to make to much of it yet? She is kind of forced to shift her suspicions toDay as sally, who she suspected most yesterDay, is dead.

I don't have any idea who I'm going to vote for rep yet, except that it won't be Greenie. I feel suspicious of her on an intuitive level, though her posts have all been fine so far. Maybe I'll look at her closer later.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Why, though?

Well, as you can see I retracted my statement. . .dunno why you left that out. I am not sure who I will vote for, but those where the first two that popped into my thoughts.

I still find Kath innocent looking and yesterday I thought that Ilya seemed quite genuin, so the reason I mentioned those two is because they are the only ones I have not been very unsure about these today.
I did suspect Ilya in the begining of the game, but not so much anymore and I have not seen anything that indicates that Kath should be a wolf.

[Ilya]

Hullo all. A thousand apologies for running silent these last couple days, but as I'm idling in the Delta terminal right now, I'll do a big reread and try to get a longer post list type thing off soonish.

[Thinlómien]

I've been rereading Brinn's quotes.

This

Originally Posted by morm

Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be some aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time.

caught my eye. Could this hint that Ilya is innocent since morm knows so little about her and one could assume he would know his fellow wolf's gender and whether she's a first-timer or not? But surely, it could be just bluff as well... (I remember I was once a wolf with xyzzy and while I was lynched early on he got really far because he pretended to be confused about something related to me, asking "who's Lommy", or something like that.)

I wonder if wolf-Nerwen and wolf-morm would have started such a fight with each other. As far as I know, they don't know each other particularily well, so the possibility of a beforehand-planned wolf-on-wolf fight seems less probable... Also, morm almost got her lynched. I don't know if the wolves would have taken such a risk for no obvious benefits...

I'm actually more and more thinking that the last wolf is either Gwathie or Rune. Rune seems more innocent of the two, though. There are some wuotes that make me think he's innocent. Like this:

Originally Posted by Rune

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind.

Would a wolf say this about a fellow? Spotlight the fact that his fellow has avoided making any ties to him? I don't think so...

So, I think we should lynch Gwath toDay. If I have a chance to look at people (even) more in-depth or something interesting happens, I may of course change my opinion. And now I have to vote a rep... Not Gwath, for sure, and not Greenie or Nerwen since they said they don't want to be reps because of RL hurries. I'm pretty much ok with voting anyone else for rep...

[A Little Green]

Okay, I'm going to sleep soon so I'll vote

++ Lommy for representative

Sorry Runne, I know you are itching to get to be a rep - but after all I ended up in Lommy because her suspicions match my own more.

And, by the way, this is probably the last you get from me in a few days since I'm off to Paris tomorrow. (Hooray!!) I'll try to post at least something very small tomorrow at the famous Greenie and Nerwen -time of Day, but I don't dare promise anything. More likely I don't have the time. I'll return late on sunday, so if both I and the last wolf are still alive I'll see you again only on tuesday. How sad.


EDIT: x-ed with no one. Just where is everyone?!?

[Kath]

Well - I mean I'm very happy to be a Rep just so long as those thinking of voting for me are aware that my vote will almost definitely go to Gwath. There's almost no chance of that changing. Just so you know.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Well - I mean I'm very happy to be a Rep just so long as those thinking of voting for me are aware that my vote will almost definitely go to Gwath. There's almost no chance of that changing. Just so you know.

Oh, that suits me fine.

++Kath for rep

If I start thinking he's not the last wolf after all, I will try to change your mind too, Kath.

PS. Just how many people we're having who say they will be very busy toDay? Greenie and Nerwen, and Brinn too?

[Gwathagor]

I am feeling very frustrated right now because I feel like the suspicion against me has developed in everyone's peripheral vision, so to speak, fed by other players' comments more than by substantial, concrete evidence, and without ever being stated in such a way that I could refute the accusations leveled against me - for the simple reason that there AREN'T any accusations, just the general sense that I MUST be guilty because everyone thinks so. I said one or two weird things, I agree, but nothing to merit lynching. Once everyone thinks you're guilty, everything you say starts to sound guilty to them.

So, I would be interested to know exactly why you are all so intent on lynching me (if you even know), so that I can at least try to defend myself. Thanks.

I might go with Lommy for rep toDay. I'd like to vote Brinn, but she won't be here. There's no way I'm voting Kath, because she wants to kill me. Then again...if anyone I vote is just going to lynch me, maybe I won't vote at all.

I've been thinking about my suspicion of Green, and I guess it has to do with how her posts seem bright and cheery with a consistency that makes me wonder if it might be artificial.

[Kath]

Gwath, here is what I posted about you yesterDay:

Day 1 has some very short posts, some controversy over considering voting for himself and voted Nogrod. Was mentioned by Nog - 'maybe we should not judge too heavily at this moment but he does look evasive indeed'. Potentially a wolf buddy 'ooh look but don't actually' moment. Argumentative with Legate - poking at his suspicions of Agan and questioning his vote for phantom. The second comment against Legate is odd ... it seems more misunderstanding than anything else but the tone is very accusing. Nog then voted to lynch him. What I can't recall is whether there was any other support for Gwath being lynched Day 1. If there was then it seems unlikely he and Nog were wolf buddies, if there wasn't then it's a pretty safe vote and that likelihood goes up.
Day 2 I do not get his reasoning for assuming Nog innocent. Joins the 'why must you have secret ploys' brigade. Fails to vote.
Day 3 - says Eonwe's list isn't useful because his suspicions sound the same - I have to say I disagree but that's personal opinion. Pushing idea of phantom and Boro both being wolves. Seemed almost behind the times - 'maybe the Seer has dreamt of one of you already' when that was the angle that phantom had been pushing for ages. Hmm, mentions Nog again ... sort of defending him. Despite suggesting that Boro and phantom may both be wolves he then votes Boro as his Rep and also says he doesn't want to get rid of him yet ... which if we can believe what our wolves were saying yesterDay was a major part of their discussions during the Night, perhaps this is a Daytime message along the same lines. Says odd reasoning to vote Ka ... which is just what morm says a bit later.
Day 4 - surprised that Ka is a wolf. Could go either way that one really. Overly confused by Boro's revelation. Turns against Nog ... saving his own skin? Votes Nerwen as meant to. Hasn't said anything so far toDay I don't think.

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

I want to lynch a wolf. I don't want a situation like yesterDay where Nerwen was so determined that sally was a wolf that even when sally defended herself fairly Nerwen couldn't see it. I will keep an open mind Gwath, I want to hear what you have to say.

Anyway, I have to go so it's voting time. Rep voting toDay might have to be a matter of deduction.

Alive are:
Brinniel - no because I can get no clear read on her. In fact toMorrow I am going to go through her posts and find out why that is.
Gil-Galad - no, for obvious reasons.
Greenie - no because it worries me that my suspicion of her has faded as quickly as it appeared. I want to try and find out what startled me.
Gwathagor - no because I suspect him.
Ilya
Lommy
Nerwen - no because I didn't like the way she attacked sally at the end of yesterDay. I know I've been doing something similar with Gwath. Having seen the results of that kind of behaviour I am trying to pull myself back.
Rune

Which leaves Ilya, Lommy and Rune. Actually Rune is another one I really want to look at so not him ... and I think I'm more confident about Lommy than Ilya so:

++LOMMY for Rep

[Gil-Galad]

alright i am back, this week is almost over for me as my term papers will be done... and it seems to have lost alot of people so hopefully i can catch up. and i have very little worries since my innocence has been rather proved.

[Kath]

... And Gil reappears. I know I'm not really one to talk with my habit of missing Day 1's altogether but practically the whole game so far? I'm not impressed.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Kath

... And Gil reappears. I know I'm not really one to talk with my habit of missing Day 1's altogether but practically the whole game so far? I'm not impressed.

i feel for you, and i already talked to Ka about it. if you feel this unfair and that i shouldn't play, make it said i will be gone as fast as i appeared.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

I want to lynch a wolf. I don't want a situation like yesterDay where Nerwen was so determined that sally was a wolf that even when sally defended herself fairly Nerwen couldn't see it.

You mistake what happened, Kath – I thought (wrongly) that I had to cast the death-vote on either her or Gwath, so I was trying to make her talk so I could get an idea of what she was.

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

i feel for you, and i already talked to Ka about it. if you feel this unfair and that i shouldn't play, make it said i will be gone as fast as i appeared.

No, no, hang around. We can always lynch you if we get stuck.

[Nerwen]

I just want to say this: Gwath's reactions near the deadline looked fairly suspicious, but I just don't want him to get lynched by default, which is more-or-less what happened yesterday.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

This is the problem, Kath: if he won't give satisfactory answers you'll probably find yourself concentrating on him whether you like it or not. On the other hand, an innocent Gwath is probably less likely to give seemingly-evasive answers than an innocent Sally.

[Nerwen]

Okay... I have to vote now. I think I'll see how our resident Marxist does in office.

++Rune.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kath

Now there are a few questions or at least things you could answer in there I think. Such as telling us whether or not there was any other support for lynching you Day 1. Re-explaining why you thought Nog innocent Day 2 because I really didn't understand that. Why, having suggested that Boro might be a wolf, you then went and voted him Rep. Why you said you'd come back and interact with people so that we could get a better view of you and then kinda didn't. Why you seemed convinced that there would be a toMorrow if sally was lynched instead of you. There may be some other things, it's up to you if you want to do a really comprehensive defense or just basically answer the questions.

Green and Lommy both echoed Nogrod's suspicion of me on Day 1. Aganzir thought they were grasping at straws. Nogrod repeated his suspicions once or twice until he voted me. Phantom said he wasn't going to vote for me, among other people. Ilya said she wasn't suspicious of me. Boromir did not think my vote for Nogrod was as suspicious as Nog had made it seem and could think of no reason to vote me. Brinniel had no clear opinion of me. Conclusion: Nogrod was not alone in his suspicion of me, but neither was there a bandwagon forming. It was somewhere in between.

I thought Nogrod was innocent because it seemed to me that, once in power, a wolf would try to maintain and please those supporters who had made him a rep in the first place. Obviously I was wrong. Phantom said that he thought that it might be true of some players, but not Nog.

I did not suggest or argue that Boro was a wolf; as part of an argument to make a different point, I pointed out that it was a theoretical possibility. I eventually voted him because he seemed reasonable and fair.

I failed to post as much as I said I would (for which I apologize), because I ended up being busier than I had expected. As I've said, I'm directing a play.

I can't explain why I had it stuck in my mind that there would be a toDay, but it never even ocurred to me that we might win yesterDay. It may have had to do with the fact that sally's attitude in the face of her imminent death seemed very innocent, and that I was more than a little worried about getting lynched myself, so that I didn't think about it thoroughly.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

2 votes Lommy
1 vote Kath
1 vote Rune


Kath's comment on Gil's "magic" re-apearance in this game really made me laugh. . .

Anywyas I will have to vote soon and I want to vote Kath, but she will almost sertainly vote Gwath and I am not sure I want my representative to ignore other lynch candidates.

That being said, I thought it was odd that Kath could not understand why Nerwen suspected Sally. . . It took more than Nerwen to lynch Sally.

oh, and I hate Greenie for not voting for me (I only dare say this because she is on the other side of the Baltic)

[Ilya]

Back again. Though, it seems like not a lot's happened other than Gil's magic return from the land of silence, which strikes me as suspicious even though it's perfectly reasonable that he'd remember the game and come back.

I...I have got nothing y'all. I've read all Gwath's stuff, and nothing really stuck out to me. His defense today seemed reasonable.

++Rune for rep

Because I think he's fairly honestish.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, let's see. Lommy has 2 votes, Rune has 2 votes, Kath has 1 vote. I had thought about voting either of those first two, but I'd rather spread the power around than concentrate it, so I don't think I will now that they bothy have 2 votes. I'm certainly not voting for Kath because she wants me dead. So, I guess:

++Nerwen

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++ Ilya for Representative

Because I want to see how she votes.

She has been quite submarine-ish during the game, but I also belive that she has been quite sensible at late and not gone for the easy targets. I think she has tried to understand peoples actions at times when she just as well could have accused them for wolvery and gotten away with it.

It could be a wolf trying to stay friends with everybody, but I chose to belive that it is an innocent trying to be helpful.

(also this gives people something to chose between)

EDIT: Cross posted with Gwath