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Old 07-05-2021, 03:48 AM   #16521
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Old 07-05-2021, 05:37 AM   #16522
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Wow, I’ve got literally nothing. This is tricksy tricksy.

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Old 07-05-2021, 08:04 AM   #16523
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T
"--t/ --/ ---/ --/, --/ ----t/ --/ --t-/ t--/ ---/, ---/ -/ ----/ -----/ --/ t--/ ----/ ------/ --t--/ t--/ ---t/ ----/ -----/. -/ ----/ ----t/ ---/."
Actually I think I know it but my version has some extra words but everything else fits perfectly.

“But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I will dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I shall await thee.”

Cirdan giving Gandalf the ring.
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Old 07-05-2021, 12:18 PM   #16524
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Wow, incredible! How did you find that out with only one letter? Kudos!!

In my book (HarperCollins, ed.1994) Cirdan says: "But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I will dwell by the grey shores until the last ship sails. I will await you."

I wonder that there are such differences... I guess your version is the original one, because an editor would probably not add more text or change "you" to "thee"..
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Old 07-05-2021, 01:22 PM   #16525
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Wow, incredible! How did you find that out with only one letter? Kudos!!
The first word ended in t which made it most likely But or Put or out, but the third word not being “the” meant unlikely to be a location preposition EG “out of the” “put in the”.

The single letter later was either “I” or “A” I assumed “I” which would make the fourth word “me” to setting up the subject I.

And the phrase that fit best was “But as for me”

A far simpler explanation I made a bunch of assumptions and got lucky.
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Old 07-05-2021, 01:29 PM   #16526
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I *i* *ot *i** to *ot*** *o* *i** * *ot o* **, **ti* I *o*** o*t i* *o* **** ****.

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Old 07-05-2021, 02:30 PM   #16527
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That was...WOW! Good job Morsul!

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I *i* *** *i** ** ****** *** *i** * *** ** **, ***i* I ***** *** i* *** **** ****.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:55 AM   #16530
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I *i* **t *i** t* **t*** *** *i** * **t ** **, **ti* I ***** **t i* *** **** ****.

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I *i* *ot *i** to *ot*** *o* *i** * *ot o* **, **ti* I *o*** o*t i* *o* **** ****.

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Old 07-07-2021, 02:32 PM   #16533
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Aha! That's from The Hobbit:

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I did not like to bother you with a lot of us, until I found out if you were busy
Gandalf to Beorn, when introducing the dwarves little by little

(I was a bit irritated by the fact that the T in "with" was missing...)
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Old 07-07-2021, 03:45 PM   #16534
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Ah indeed it is!

Also well done getting it with the missing t sorry about that.
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Old 07-08-2021, 10:02 AM   #16535
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Thank you!

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Old 07-08-2021, 01:40 PM   #16536
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Well assuming that’s an L left behind and not the punctuation might as well fill the rest in L
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I feel like I always start with vowels so...T
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LT (the "left behind L" was only a typo sorry)

"--t/ l---/ --t/ t--/ --ll/ t--/ ----/ --/ t--/ -----/ ---/ t--/ -------/ --/ t--/ ----t/; ---/ --------/ t--t/ t--/ t---/ ----/ --/ t--/ --l---/ l--t-/ --/ t--/ ---t/ ---/ ----t-/ ----/ t--/ ---/."
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“Too well the”?

Possibly.

I’ll take H and see if we can break out the Thes.
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Hmmm nothing’s shaking loose in the old noggin. W?
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I know strands of words but can’t connect them.

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More vowels needed

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I did A yesterday, Morsul

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Love not too well thy work of thy hands and the devices of thy heart; and remember that the true hope of the Noldor lieth in the West, and cometh from the Sea.

Ulmo to Turgon, Silmarillion

I don't know what the first word is, since it's not in my copy.

It was hard because the does not equal thy
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that's the one, well done Blind Guardian!

The sentence in my edition starts with: "But love not too well the work of thy hands..."
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"---- --- ----- -- ------ ----, -- ------ ---- -----, --, -- -- ----, --- --- ----- -----?"
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I really really want to take this down with no letters. “, **,” is the key. I’ve plugged in every two letter word that makes sense between two commas but can’t find anything.

Fine I’ll try the old fashioned way.

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"---t --- ---t- -- ------ -ee-, -- t---e- t--- t-ee-, --, -- -t --e-, --- -et -e-e- -----?"

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Quite simple really a mountain.
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** *** w*** ** a **** *******, ** **a* t*at *t ** a **** ******* w**t*** * wa*t *t ** **t; ** t*at *** **** **** t*** *******; ** t*at *t ** a ******* t* ** **** **?

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Ah it was close enough. I like how you didn't post the actual quote for 10 hours.

TWO semicolons in this one. Hm.

Let's mix things up a little and start with a W.
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