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Mine is Gorbag - Shagrat - Mouth of Sauron - Gandalf - Gwaihir - Thorondor
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Both use Gwaihir which is a connection I missed, I looked up an obscure character (to me) I didn’t realize being immortal he and Gwaihir rescued some folks together. I think Urwen uses less assumptions. So Urwen I think gets it
My initial track was Gorbag slain by Sam friend of Elrond son Ereandil who led the eagles into battle alongside Thorondor.
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Here is a tough cookie
Zimraphel - > Eldacar
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So... which Eldacar? Because Eldacar of Arnor was the grandson of Isildur, which gives us:
Zimraphel > Elendil > Isildur > Valandil > Eldacar. But there's also an Eldacar of Gondor, who I admit would be a mite trickier. hS |
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The one of Gondor.
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I've been trying to reach an immortal by hopping down the family tree to the Princes of Dol Amroth, but I wind up with Amroth as #9, so it's way too long.
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In that case, I'll accept your first answer.
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So then, where can we go from Eldacar?
-Down towards Mithrellas. This takes far too many steps. -Across to Castamir the Usurper. So far as I can tell, Castamir and his descendents never had direct contact with Sauron, so this looks like a dead end. -Up to his Northman ancestry. But where then? They're entirely self-contained, and their battles contain no named enemies (for instance, Nazgul). -Up the family tree? Eldacar directly overlaps as far up as Calmacil, who overlaps up to Hyarmendacil I, who overlaps up to Falastar and Beruthiel. That's nine Kings of Gondor; surely at least one of them must have met Gil-Galad or someone? ... no. Apparently not. Not according to their own Gateway pages, at any rate. So who might have run into the Kings of Gondor? Saruman is an option, but he was in the East for most of this time period. Galadriel and Celeborn maybe; apparently they were hanging out in Edhellond, but there's no recorded contact with Minas Anor. Amroth and Elrond seem to have kept to themselves. How about this? -Eldacar overlaps by 110 years with his grandfather -Romendacil II, who built the -Pillars of the Arganoth, which were later passed by -Aragorn, who was fostered by -Elrond, who fought alongside -Elendil, who knew -Zimraphel. Only that's seven. But there is this: -Eldacar fought in the Kin-Strife, during which the -Osgiliath-stone was lost, having been originally placed by -Elendil, who obviously knew -Zimraphel? Only, y'know... inanimate objects. So how about this? -Eldacar overlapped by 36 years with his great-grandson -Minardil, who overlapped by about fifty years with his grandson -Tarondor, who planted the -Third White Tree of Gondor, which was a sapling of the -Second White Tree of Gondor, which was planted by -Isildur, who knew -Zimraphel. Only living things, but it still hits seven. Any pointers on where to start out? hS |
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Your second solution is good to go.
Try my riddle as well.
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So did your solution also go via the palantir of Orthanc? I'm insatiably curious.
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I had no real solution. I just threw that one to be evil.
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:O You fiend!
So, the original Miriel was (according to one account) known as Firiel after her rebirth, since she was hanging out with Vaire. There are a couple of other Firiels, but let's do the less tragic* one: Firiel (AKA Miriel) -- Firiel Fairbairn (And if you can pass through Firiel of Gondor, so much the better!) *Unless the connection of her with the Firiel of 'The Last Ship' is correct. hS |
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Firiel - Elanor - Sam - Elrond - Maedhros - Feanor - Firiel
Firiel - Elanor - Sam - Elrond - Maglor - Feanor - Firiel I could try doing it in lesser steps, but it'd be difficult... P.S: Could you try my riddle, or is it too much work for you?
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Firiel Fairbairn - Elanor - Arwen - Galadriel - Feanor - Firiel
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Speaking of same names......
Miriel - > Miriel
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I think one end of this has to be Gil-Galad/Elrond - Elendil - Miriel. There's no other avenues to Numenor apart from Sauron, and like the thread says, avoid.
Hmm... wait, I know someone who was close to Elrond: Miriel > Feanor > Maglor > Elrond > Elendil > Miriel. (Those are not 'greater than' signs. I would never place Feanor above Maglor.) hS |
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Spot on, and both me and my friend are glad you think so.
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Well, let's roll with the theme...
Firiel Fairbairn to Firiel of Gondor. hS |
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I have a link, but it goes through Sauron. Permission to use it?
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Ah-ha, found another link.
Firiel Fairbairn - Elanor - Sam - Cirdan - Aranarth - Firiel (This with the assumption that Sam and Cirdan met when Sam sailed to the west)
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So....am I right, or am I not right?
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Yes, and good find with the Aranarth-Cirdan link.
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How about Firiel of Gondor - Firiel?
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Spot on, as I checked it out.
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Right then, this should please you: the two happiest characters in Middle-earth:
Merry Brandybuck -- Lalaith daughter of Húrin. ... without going through any member of House Finwë, because that lot are too miserable for this question. hS |
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I suppose Elrond does count as member of house Finwe.
Well then. Merry - Celeborn - Thingol - Turin - Lalaith
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In honor of your Bad guy puzzle
Feanor - Ciryatan
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Fëanor > Melkor>Manwe> Atanamir> Ciryatan
Fëanor used by Melkor Melkor to Manwe Manwe corresponds with Atanamir son of Ciryatan
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The thread says to avoid using Morgoth or Sauron.
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I’ll keep looking technically unless it’s later on the original says avoid Saruman Gandalf and Sauron.
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Right, my bad. Please continue.
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Bump?
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Feanor, half-brother of
Finarfin, father of Angrod, father of Orodreth, father of Gil-Galad, who was fostered by Cirdan, whose name in Quenya was Ciryatan ?
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Morsul?
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Okay, since Morsul won't continue this, anyone else up for taking over?
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