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1. Arwen (wan+er mixed)
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REMEMBER: INITIALS FORM THE PASSWORD, BUT THE CLUES HAVE BEEN JUMBLED UP. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. 3. He says to partake of the vittles. 4. This chap is said to be incandescent. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. 6. The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. 7. Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord! 8. Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night.
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Have decided to shuffle the clues back into their correct order:
1. Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. 3. The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. 5. This chap is said to be incandescent. 6. Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. 8. He says to partake of the vittles.
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lost my post with resource limit and between that and visiting sibling and no libray puters due to lead nicked off the roof I havent had much downs time ...
The in spanish can be Los las el or la IIRC There are various Gondor placenames thst contain these elements but I have had no luck fitting the reat of the clue yet. Vittles is a gaffer gamgee kind of word but again...
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I am going to have a stab at Felagund for the password
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Felagund is correct, and should make the remaining clues easier.
F: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord! ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. L: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. G: This chap is said to be incandescent. U: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. D: He says to partake of the vittles.
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08-04-2013, 10:45 AM
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5. Gandalf?!
And the U in #6 shatters my hopes of "Watson" being scrambled somehow...
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It isn't a sidekick of a detective that you're looking for. If anything, the detectives are probably the sidekicks. EDIT: Mith is right about the "the in Spanish" bit.
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Just because I am obsesses I will try my darling Gilgalad for five
Is Dain pronounced Dine as in Dunedain?If so that is my guess for the last one.Lossarnach for L though wanderer makes me think of Don Quixote so Amedon is another maybe.
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08-04-2013, 12:43 PM
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Gloin for incandescent? I remember that being the answer to a clue I for some reason remember from the very beginning of the thread...
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ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent. U: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles. 1. Correct, Galadriel. If it was used near the beginning of the thread, I didn't consciously copy it. I haven't read every post on the thread. I meant that it was very like my clue for "Oin" (debt-ridden dwarf, we hear, or something like that). 2. My clue for the last one was originally "He's said to condescend." Then I remembered that "ain" in Tolkien's names is always the sound in "mine." I checked it up, just to be certain, and there was a sound recording of the name Dain on the Tolkien Gateway that sounded more like "Doyne." But I guessed the "dine" sound was most likely correct. 3. Mith, I take it you mean Lamedon? Don't know anything about Amedon. Lamedon is EL + NOMAD (wanderer) mixed up (meandering). My clue for THAT was originally "Injured Gondorian professor," but you used a very similar clue so I had to change it (that was why I guessed Lamedon so quickly in one of your previous clues). Very surprised you haven't got the first clue yet. 
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08-05-2013, 06:34 AM
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I did! And I had quite forgotten my clue.... really think I have goldfish DNA sometimes And Nomad didn't occur because I was taking the La not the EL...
I though the dine pronunciation was for Elvish...I always read Dain as Dayin but then I still haven't completely cured my Seleborn Sirdan habit... I thinki have the first one now having twigged on teh Musketeer (very late for a French lit specialist) . The Indicator for starting with F helped me to Felagund and Lord F will lead quickly to darling Faramir.... and only now have Irealised that if you take one of three Musketeers rather than a generic musketeer and delete a directional letter.... Aramis - S .. add teh last letter of war ... and bingo.. Faramir.
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FARAMIR: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent. U: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles. Indeed it does! I wonder how I can check properly on the pronunciation of Dain. I always thought it sounded like deign, but when I checked the pronunciation notes I thought they were for all peoples/languages. I won't give a further clue for the remaining one just yet. Maybe try a few guesses and then see if you can make them fit.
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Wll all teh U words I can think of are orcs or Utumno.. apart from Undomiel...which would shine in the night sky but apart from containing the initials DI I can't make it fit.
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FARAMIR: Fray begins. Musketeer loses way. War ends. Lord!
ELANOR: Beer sent back with a point - alternatively, a flower. LAMEDON: The Spanish wanderer meanders in Gondor. ARWEN: Pale hesitation around a lovely maiden. GLOIN: This chap is said to be incandescent. UNDOMIEL: Loose a muddled detectives’ friend; it’s brilliant against the night. NEEKERBREEKER: Onomatopoeic tormenter. DAIN: He says to partake of the vittles. To loose = to UNDO, plus EMIL muddled = MIEL = Undomiel. Over to you. 
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Quantity not quality..
1 RAUROS Muddled Sauron gains right but loses direction. Falls.
2 A Confused instruction to get down or mount? 3 M More aid comes initially reorganised by a good friend. 4 M Having lost his way a Royal Academician minds a crafty fellow. 5 ARTANARO Craft sun and form of address for a king 6 SINDARIN Speech fault of singer beyond the sea? 7 ERELAS Highlight before a girl loses her way? 8 CELEBORN This the French tolerated before changing direction for a tree. 9 HADOR Possessed alternative blond. 10 OROPHER Poor confused girl elf 11 RORIMAC Master confused tup swallowing dwarf child initially.
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1. Rauros? (Sauron plus r minus s - Rauros Falls).
9. Hador? (had + or). 10. Oropher? ("poor" confused, plus her). (And I wonder if Rammas Echor is the password ....)
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All correct...dose of salts sprigs to mind.
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6 S Speech fault of singer beyond the sea?
I thought this must be Sindarin before I guessed the password, because of sin for flaw, but couldn't work out the singer part.
Then a minute ago I remembered the singer Bobby Darin. I'm still not sure about the beyond the sea part though. Unless it was only spoken in Middle-earth, across the straight pond from Valinor. Quote:
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08-06-2013, 09:40 PM
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As in going through the clues like a dose of salts..
It is Sindarin...A last desperate clue...I assumed anyone knowing Darin would know Beyond the Sea.... I would say check it on youtube but it is vey earwormy. The title was used for the Kevin Spacey biopic a few years ago.
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I might know it, but not its name. My parents had a couple of his records and I know a few of his songs. Very talented man; tragically short life.
EDIT: Ah, that song. Never associated him with that one. If I heard him sing it, I probably thought it was Sinatra doing a cover of a Piaf song (he sounds very Sinatraish singing it). When I think Bobby Darin, I think more "If I were a carpenter" or "Another song on my mind."
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Neither of which I know..it is a loose version of Charles Trenet's La Mer which ws used for an advertrecently for something I have forgotten.
However I am not very musical at least as far as anythin in the last couple of centuries is concerned so I thought that some might be aware of the film more than the singer..and besidesit is such a Tolkien type title.
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8 C This the French tolerated before changing direction
The only tree I could think of beginning with C was Carnimirie. But after some research I find there are a couple of others. Apparently Celeborn is also the name of a white tree in Tol Eressea. Ce + le + born (bore - change e for n - only just worked that bit out - was wondering how borne could work as it would lose a direction rather than changing it).
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Yes I dithered over the directions and had to double check it worked when I typed it up..
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11 R Master confused tup swallowing dwarf child initially.
I guess RORIMAC was Master of Buckland. RAM is another word for tup, confused and put around/swallowing the dwarf ORI, with the initial letter of child.
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Rorimac was old Rory and indeed Master of Buckland.
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7 E Highlight before a girl loses her way?
Could that be the beacon ERELAS? Ere for before, plus (lass minus S). I was really struggling to find a synonym for highlight that would work - thought the straight clue was the girl or possibly a way (like a mountain pass), although "loses" suggested way was part of the cryptic component. Didn't realise the beacons had names before I went looking for possible female names starting with "Ere."
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 I do try to keep to the convention of havingbthe straight part at one end though 7t can be a struggle.
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5 A Craft sun and form of address for a king
The nearest I can get is Aranarth (art for craft, anar for sun), but h on its own is not a form of address. Anardil = sun + friend, but "friend" is stretching it as a form of address. Have also been trying to combine anar with hail (so far without success). It's possible that I'm going wrong in trying to translate sun, of course.
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So close yet so far. You have correctly identified two elements.. Then you have gone awry.
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This is the most obscure of thos remaining hoever...
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I haven't discounted the idea of "craft" being the name of a ship and the straight clue. I just can't find a ship name that works (even in Adunaic!)
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When I told you you had correctly identified two elements I meant art and anar. I would add that there is no anagram indicator afaik in theclue., as for the form of address think grammar and vocative.
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I did a week's course in Latin once, but at school I had to choose between Latin and German and chose the latter.
I know that -e can be a vocative ending in Latin, though. Am at my dad's, so only have internet, though, and the indexes of books can sometimes be a lot more useful. Artanare? (Haven't found that in my search for kings, though). EDIT: Looked up the vocative and apparently it can have the -i ending, too. Artanari?
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Post got lost ....it is more the form they use in Engkish to indicate the vocative though it is swldom used in modern English though it is used in the Hobbit. As for who.. I indulged my obsession alas for the last time. The other clues are not so obscure.
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Ah, ARTANARO, another name for Gil-Galad.
I suppose you mean the way characters sometimes say things like "What have we done, o king?" in The Hobbit?
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Yep...and I think Bilbo uses it to address Smaug...though ithere is the story of the child being taught the vocative of table in latin was for addressing a table ..O table!. He protested he never did...
The rest are far less obscure..
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4 M Having lost his way a Royal Academician minds a crafty fellow.
Been trying to get this one for ages. The letters RA alone don't seem to work - I wonder if a Royal Academician is an artist? It has a way to lose (s). But otherwise that doesn't work, either. Mahtan springs to mind as a crafty fellow - or possibly Maeglian - but I can't get either of them to fit the cryptic bits.
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RA is correct. You are being too specific. This is more obscure than the other two..but not fiendishly so.
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08-13-2013, 10:17 AM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials
Posts: 5,035
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A Confused instruction to get down or mount?
It's just occurred to me that this could be one of the Amons. But the only one I can get to anywhere near work is Amon Obel - the word below for get down, but the W would be missing, and there's nothing in the clue to indicate that it should be.
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