WWJ I: A New Saga, A New Beginning... Or Is IT!?!?!?

[The Only Real Estel]

No more votes for Sleepy Ranger, please. He may be a wolf (he's definitly worthy of suspicion in my eyes) but I think that Bergil is a better bet & we need to make every lynching count.

++ Bergil

The vote count now stands at:
Bergil- 2
Sleepy Ranger- 1

I believe we have ourselves one werewolf. Sleepy can always be dealt with later, if he is truly guilty.

In fact, I'm going to go ahead & ask the Seer to please dream of Sleepy Ranger this following NIGHT so that we will know for sure.

Posted by Hiriel:

both Fea and TORE seem to be darn sure of something that I'm only seeing hints of here

The way I read it Fea at the very least has caught on to the seer's identity as well but isn't as sure as I am about it. That would explain her "hoping that I am right."

edit:
Posted by Eonwe:

is it just me, or are some people wondering just what TORE and fea are talking about. i like it less and less (and sometimes more and more) that TORE and fea are dominating this game.

Grrr, I wish I could elaborate! Just search the thread post by post & you should find it. I don't want to dominate discussion in any way, shape, or form, but it helps a lot when you can actually trust someone enough to talk things out with them.

[malkatoj]

Looking over the day (and yesterday)...

-Bergil seems to be drawing a lot of suspicion recently. I'm watching him, but not really seeing anything that points me in either direction--could be dangerous, but so could a lot of other people. He seems iffy.

-Sleepy Ranger still tops my suspect list. Because I think it highly unlikely that Fea is a wolf, I think it's also unlikely that he's the seer. In this case, his behaviour has been strange and I don't follow his logic--defending, then accusing, while accusing jumping on the bandwagon with, changing his mind about the bandwagon but still accusing... It's possible that he's the seer, but just as possible as it is that anyone else is. I'm not really fond of the way he's acting, so...

++Sleepy Ranger


Hope I'm not making a mistake here.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Bergil

I will give Thinlomien another day, if he does not post more i am likley to vote for him!

People i think is innocent : (This means allmost sure)

Feanor of the Peredhil
Gurthang
Hiriel
Eonwe

(yes they are listet after how much i belive in there innocens)

[Bergil]

The Phantom would be proud appearing so much in a game he isn't in. I will cast my vote for

++Sleepy Ranger

this is partly for self-preservation I admit, but people don't seem to think Fea is guilty (I'm not even so sure anymore), he might be a wolf and, 1 muinate after he recieved his 1st vote, he responded to Eonwe's innocent statement of

sometimes i hate werewolf.

turning it into a freudian slip

Only sometimes? Hmmm... Do you mean to say that you like or support the werewolves at other times?

and for the analytical line, I just didn't know if he usually acted that way

[Eonwe]

bergil certainly has my suspicions, i may vote for him. i will prolly run out the clock though, on whoever i vote for. actually i will prolly vote for him, meaning he is the most suspicions i see.

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

Just search the thread post by post & you should find it. I don't want to dominate discussion in any way, shape, or form, but it helps a lot when you can actually trust someone enough to talk things out with them.

will do. and don't think you are dominating in a bad way. its just so complicated and there are so many possibilities as to waht such and such post might mean.

my List:

Innocent:

TORE
Fea

Likely Innocent

Gurthang
Thin (i don't think a wolf would be so neglectful in their posting duties. now that i think of it, i would like to take back my suspicion of her, but not the request for her to talk more ) (i understand if you have rl crap. not everyone is willing to throw away a calc grade to catch some wolves!)
Hiriel
malkatoj
Rune

That leaves: (as could be suspicious and have no thoughts on)

Jack
Sleepy Ranger (not so sure)
Bergil (not so sure)

sorry for making you read my crap, but it had to be done.


cross posted after bergil:
bergils vote brings things to:

sleepy --> bergil
fea --> sleepy (what the heck?)
malkatoj --> sleepy
Bergil --> sleepy

i don't think i missed any.

ps. maybe it would help vote counter if you put VOTE as your title of the vote post. actually it would.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'd have put forth a Fea/TOREstel/Sleepy trio if I were doing such things. Why Rune, I wonder?

I picked Rune over Sleepy because I have a theory about the three I mentioned. It is only a theory, and I will not elaborate. If I am wrong and people believe me, it will be doom for the village. But at the same time I just wanted to throw it out there in case I die, just so people know about it.

And since that is only a theory, I will not voice suspicion of Rune.

It seems the two choices right now are Bergil and Sleepy Ranger. Bergil may have done something worthy of suspicion, but I have not seen it. Sleepy on the other hand has quite a pile for himself. He threw his support to Fea's limp accusation of malkatoj without reason. When questioned he flipped. He also accused and supported Feanor in the same post. And he then votes for Bergil without ever having mentioned him at all toDay.

++Sleepy Ranger

If Sleepy is not a wolf, I may look closer into my theory.

[Eonwe]

grr now i really hate werewolf!! curse you foul fiends!!

i was pretty certain five minutes ago that bergil was a wolf. gurthang makes me reconsider. im of to put nose to the grindstone, scouring the thread....

[Gurthang]

Bergil - 3(Sleepy Ranger, TORE, Rune)
Sleepy Ranger - 4(Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

[Hiriel]

'Bergil - 3(Sleepy Ranger, TORE, Rune)
Sleepy Ranger - 4(Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

Herm..this is very interesting. First off, both TORE and Fea, as I said before, seemed to be very sure of something together, and very sure of each other's innocence. Yet they voted differently. Strange. Bergil's vote, as I see it, is self-preservation. It's the other three that I have to figure out. Unfortunately, I don't have the time. I want to see what happens to Sleepy over the night, and who dies, and that should help the theories I have greatly.

So, because it's the only choice to keep SR alive, and because some what he's said strikes me the wrong way,

++Bergil

[The Only Real Estel]

This is going to be quite close, obviously. I don't feel extremely strongly either way, in my mind SR is likely to be a wolf, but only less so than Bergil. If we lynch one I guess it doesn't much matter but I just thought Bergil was a little more suspicious.

[Eonwe]

ehem. *assumes authoritative voice which i don't own *

i hereby name TORE chief prosecutor of Bergil

and i hereby name fea chief prosecutro of sleepy ranger.



what i really mean is, could you both, acutally anyone lay out some reasoning here. as i think back, i seem to have almost jumped on teh bergil bandwagon. i don't like him, but i don't hate him. sleepy ranger, on the other hand, has done some way more incriminating stuff. (switcheroo, all that crap). another thing i hate about werewolf is peole never give reasons. all they say is "this is suspicious! lynch him!". sigh, so do i...

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

this is going to be quite close

indeed...

[Eonwe]

well fifteen minutes, roughly, left and we have to hear from me, Jack and thinlomien.

ill go with ++Bergil

[Folwren]

This may be the tie breaker...How difficult can this be?

I have not read all of the posts. I read a few, but not all. What I read, however...it may, after all, be a good idea to go along with TORE's plan. Let Sleepy Ranger wait, go for Bergil. Sleepy Ranger at least talks more and will be more of a help later on if we leave him alive.

So... ++Bergil

Tomorrow I will catch up on all the posts and come Thursday (being the next DAY), I may have a bit more to say. I'm sorry I've not been much of a help.

-- Jack

[Glirdan]

Times up. Expect Bergil's death soon.

[Glirdan]

The village congregated once more at the end of the day. The votes were close at one point, but it all came down to the vote for Bergil.

As the villagers advanced on Bergil, he grabbed the nearest villager. "Stay back or this one gets it!!" he yelled as he transfromed into an ugly, snarling beast. Gurthang rushed forward and started playing some music. Music always calmed Bergil, even as a Wolf. "Quick!!! Someone get him!!!" and as the villager said it, Jack came up with one of his swords made of silver and stabbed him in the heart. An earthly howl came out of Bergil and he slumped to the ground, in human form, dead.

The villagers had finally found a Wolf. One down. Two to go.

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

* Wolves, do what you need to do. I need names from the Seer, Ranger, Hunter and remaining Wolve

** The names in this post have nothing to do with their roles. Just fit in with the storyline. Send your names to both myself and The Perky Ent please.

[Glirdan]

The villager woke up the next morning, preparing for the worst, preparing for the fact that there might be another one of their own dead.

But to their great surprise, as they all assembled for the head count in the square, they noticed that they had the same amount of villagers as the day before!!! There were 10 people left. "The Ranger picked the right person to protect, by the looks of things." And so he did.

Dead
Glirdan (mod) - got a quill throught the head on Night 1
Wayne (Cobbler) - lynched by villagers on Day 1
Kitanna (ordinary villager) - Died of Alchool poisoning on Night 2
Bergil (Wolf) - stabbed with silver blade on Day 2

Alive
Eonwe
Feanor of the Peredhil
Jack (aka Folwren)
Gurthang
Hiriel
Malkatoj
Rune Son of Bjarne
Sleepy Ranger
The Only Real Estel
Thinlomien

*Wolves stop PMing. Villagers, do your thing.

[The Only Real Estel]

Okay, nobody else wants to talk so I'll start.

First off, praise to our Ranger. Good anticipation of whoever it was the wolves were trying to kill.

Now, I’m beginning to wonder if it wasn’t so smart of me to ask the seer to dream of Sleepy Ranger last night. He/she probably was going to anyway, & now the seer can’t safely leave a hint because the wolves will be all over it. Oh well, I’ll keep an eye open for that, but now that Bergil has been proven a wolf I have a new top suspect.

After looking at everything Bergil said I am extremely suspicious of malkatoj. When Bergil said this:

well, the cobbler has died, how do we respond to that? i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him

I suspected that if Bergil should prove to be a wolf (& he has) he was covering for one of his comrades. That would leave Hiriel or malkatoj, the only two that voted for WaynetheCobbler. I think Hiriel is innocent for several reasons:

1. She said yesterDAY that Bergil had “rocketed to the top of her suspicions list” when we were all still mostly sidetracked on the SR issue. No wolf would do such a thing, not even as a bluff – it would be an unnecessary risk, one not worth taking.

2. Not only did she voice suspicion of Bergil (malk voiced some token suspicion also, but ‘concluded’ that SR was more suspicious in the end), she backed it up by voting for him – something that malk did not do.

That would leave malkatoj as the second wolf of the trio. I have been accused of being too confident several times since these wolves appeared & denied it but on this matter I am very confident. The evidence is there; if malkatoj is not a wolf than I am a wooden badger.

edit: Thoughts on who was saved- I'd say either the wolves have found the seer & tried to do away with him/her & were foiled by the Ranger or, failing to discover the seer, the wolves tried to kill either Fea or I, hoping to at least eliminate those who know who the seer is. On second thought, if they couldn't find the Seer they probably tried to kill me because Fea doesn't seem to be as sure about the hints, etc. as I am....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

TORE, shut up. I'm going to explain everything in a minute, and if you continue to talk, what's fact is going to look false. Capiche?

[The Only Real Estel]

I'm all ears...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

First off, praise to our Ranger. Good anticipation of whoever it was the wolves were trying to kill.

First things first... TORE, you can stop your ploy. I'm telling. I dreamt of him the first night: TOREstel is the Ranger. Of course he was 90% (or was that 95%) certain of a special role... he's got it. Praise go to his brains in picking me out as the Seer. He caught onto the fool-vote on Day 1 (I hadn't bagged a wolf and didn't want to leave a false trail should I die early) and he understood what I was trying to say about Bergil (my second dream) in post 94 on Day 2. What I said about Sleepy Ranger... it's merely suspicion. I stated it as a gut feeling. I did not dream of him last night... I dreamt of Hiriel, who I suspected a lot, who turned out innocent.

If you're wondering why I'm coming into the open now... I'm laughing at you because it should be obvious. The wolves almost got me last night, but TORE put a stop to it. Praise be to TORE for his faith in me. But he can't protect me a second night. Since I'm going to die, you guys needed to hear my dreams. Does everybody understand?

[malkatoj]

TORE, in my defense, I was under the impression that Bergil was just an idiot. 'Wolf' and 'Idiot' do not necessarily go together, so I didn't want to vote for him until I had more evidence. My apologies.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Second thought: I just realized that I didn't need to post that. *swears colorfully* There's a chance that the wolves were wrong last night and tried to kill somebody else. And that TOREstel didn't actually realize I'm the Seer and protected somebody else. I really hope the wolves tried to kill me, if only to qualify how I just gave myself to them on a silver platter.

*kicks self several times*

[The Only Real Estel]

Defense noted, malkatoj. Anything else? Because that's not nearly enough to change my mind.

[Gurthang]

Well, I had actually prepared a song for whoever we lost, but it is now unneccessary. Fortunately, I have many happy songs that I can play. *pulls out a fiddle and plays a gloriously happy song*

Now, to business. I was thinking about putting forth my 'Estel/Fea are wolves' theory; but it looks pretty apparent that they are working together for us. Too apparent. Hiding in the open? We shall see.

But I am probably going to vote for Sleepy Ranger again today. As his actions yesterday are completely unjustifiable. Sleepy: convince me otherwise.

Oh, and for conveinience:

DAY 1
Wayne - Gurthang (Gurthang-1)
malkatoj - Wayne (Gurthang-1:Wayne-1)
Hiriel - Wayne (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2)
Bergil - Feanor (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-1)
Feanor - Feanor (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2)
Eowne - Thinlómien (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1)
Gurthang - Kitanna (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1:Kitanna-1)
TORE - Eonwe (Gurthang-1:Wayne-2:Feanor-2:Thin-1:Kitanna-1:Eonwe-1)

No vote:
Jack
Kitanna
Rune
Sleepy
Thin

DAY 2
Sleepy - Bergil (Bergil-1)
Feanor - Sleepy (Bergil-1:Sleepy-1)
TORE - Bergil (Bergil-2:Sleepy-1)
malkatoj -Sleepy (Bergil-2:Sleepy-2)
Rune - Bergil (Bergil-3:Sleepy-2)
Bergil - Sleepy (Bergil-3:Sleepy-3)
Gurthang - Sleepy (Bergil-3:Sleepy-4)
Hiriel - Bergil (Bergil-4:Sleepy-4)
Eonwe - Bergil (Bergil-5:Sleepy-4)
Jack - Bergil (Bergil-6:Sleepy-4)

No Vote:
Thin

Or if you prefer another approach:

Day 1
Gurthang (Wayne)
Wayne (malkatoj, Hiriel)
Feanor (Bergil, Feanor)
Thin (Thin, Eonwe)
Kitanna (Gurthang)
Eonwe (TORE)

Day 2
Bergil (Sleepy, TORE, Rune, Hiriel, Eonwe, Jack)
Sleepy (Feanor, malkatoj, Bergil, Gurthang)

I'll state my thoughts about the voting later.

(And by the way; someone just told me I should kill Rune. I don't know why. Maybe it's a sign.)

[malkatoj]

All I can say is that it looks like a setup. Bergil probably realized that he'd die fairly soon (due to his stupidity?) so chose someone to 'focus' on. He may be smart indeed,to come up with such a plot, unless he was told to by the other wolves. He voiced suspicion of me on the FIRST DAY. That day, he latched himself onto me and Fea, probably thinking that if he gets killed, you guys would think of the two of us as wolves. Honestly, I ignored him because he sounded dumb. The second day he didn't say much at all, except for what you quoted--

i beleive that no wolves would have voted for him

which, to me, sounds way too obvious as a defense. Even if he is stupid, a wolf would probably realize not to do something like that. He again drew your attention to me, an innocent, and away from the real wolves.

I hope this is enough to convince you. We're most likely going to lose our Seer tonight, and at that point we can't do with losing extra villagers.

[The Only Real Estel]

Bergil semi-attached himself to you (malk) on DAY one so that you could say what you're saying now. When it comes right down to it, the Cobbler quote is just too incrimnating. He wasn't "stupid," as you put it - that post just stuck with me as soon as I read it.

and at that point we can't do with losing extra villagers

Exactly. That's why we plan on lynching you.

Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...

edit: I have a theory that I'm finishing up. I'll post it later ( like nine hours from now )

[Gurthang]

First off, Fea: don't feel too bad. I think we can still get this done. Actually, I had just realized what Estel had been talking about (aka you as Seer) when I hit refresh and you said it yourself.

Now, we know that Feanor, TORE, and Hiriel are innocent. The wolves will obvioiusly kill Fea tonight, TOREstel tomorrow night, and Hiriel the next. We have a pretty definite path that the wolves are forced down. If they don't do what I just said, it will mean leaving known innocents alive, something they probably won't do.

So, that leaves us with seven(I'll include myself for now, since nobody but me knows I'm innocent ). Let's narrow this down.

I think it's safe to say that Rune and Eonwe are innocent, since they voted to put Bergil ahead when the votes were tied.

Bergil voted for Sleepy. That put them both at three. Which meant that, unless everyone else voted for one other person, either Bergil or Sleepy would die. Not a good strategy if they are both wolves.

Left: Gurthang, Jack, Thin, and malkatoj

Now, these are the four most likely, so I suggest analyze these before others(yes, I hope you'll find me innocent when you look at me). Here's what I think of them:

I'm out. And I'll take Thin out, because it would take a very foolish wolf to not vote on the first two days.

So that leaves Jack and malkatoj as wolves. Look at their votes. Malkatoj's brings Sleepy up to a tie with Bergil, and Jack's looks suspiciously like a late 'I'll vote for a fellow wolf now that he's in the noose' vote. I'm thinking malkatoj will end up getting my vote toDay, and Jack tomorrow.

P.S. I just found a mistake in my lists. Thin did not vote for himself on Day 1; he didn't vote at all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by TORE

edit: I have a theory that I'm finishing up. I'll post it later ( like nine hours from now)

I await it eagerly. We need all the information, theories, and discussion we can get toDAY if the village wants a high chance of survival.

Originally Posted by Gurthang

I was thinking about putting forth my 'Estel/Fea are wolves' theory; but it looks pretty apparent that they are working together for us. Too apparent. Hiding in the open?

All I can say to that, Gurthang, is that if Estel and I were lying, wouldn't the true Ranger and Seer step forward? I mean... perhaps not the Seer, as it would be absolute idiocy for the Seer not to take advantage of wolvish shenanigans like this if that is, indeed, what they were, but surely if this was a lie, the Ranger would refute it?

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

Gurthang, I'd love to hear why you persist on SR when there's quite a bit of evidence against malk right now...

I gave up on that.

Actually, that's what made me suddenly look at Fea as Seer. I noticed she mentioned malk, and that Sleepy jumped on it. I thought two things: Sleepy was a wolf jumping on an innocent, or Sleepy thought Fea was the Seer and supported her. Thinking about option two suddenly made me remember that you, Estel, were pushing malkatoj's death toDay. This made me realize that you thought Fea was the Seer and were accusing malkatoj because of it. That might not be how it really played out, but that was my logic during the last hour or so.

Knowing that Feanor is the Seer puts a lot into perspective. Hence my change from Sleepy to malkatoj/Jack. (See above)

[The Only Real Estel]

Interesting theory, Gurthang.

I'm glad to see that you have reversed track on Sleepy Ranger, at least. I think you are mostly right. Here is part of my theory:

Villagers Left:
------------------
Eonwe: Innocent - she voted at a time when she could've saved Bergil but she did not.

Feanor of the Peredhil: Innocent - now that she's revealed her role to everyone their's no doubt of that.

Jack (aka Folwren): Most likely innocent. Her vote could be made to look suspicious, but I don't think it is. Also, if malkatoj is the 2nd wolf (& I'm banking on the fact that she is), it all but clears Jack because malkatoj tried to link her with Sleepy as possibly wolves. Most likely malkatoj was trying to get our brains moving on two innocents.

Gurthang: Not sure of.

Hiriel: Innocent, Fea dreamed of her NIGHT two.

Malkatoj: Guilty as charged in my opinion. Evidence is as I already listed it.

Rune Son of Bjarne: Likely to be innocent, based on what I've seen in his posts and also he broke a 2-2 tie between Bergil & Sleepy by voting for Bergil. Almost definitly innocent in my mind.

Sleepy Ranger: Almost definitly innocent. He did seem very flip-flopyish, etc., but yesterday he pretty well convinced me he was just an innocent that got turned around & confused.

The Only Real Estel: Ranger as Fea so kindly revealed without even making an attempt at consulting me.

Thinlomien: Not much to go on but unlikely to be a wolf IMO. Not voting for two days won't do wonders for your reputation, but if she was a wolf she'd want to avoid not voting at all costs, much less twice in a row.

This leaves us with Gurthang as the top suspect for 3rd wolf with Jack as a distant second.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

All I can say to that, Gurthang, is that if Estel and I were lying, wouldn't the true Ranger and Seer step forward? I mean... perhaps not the Seer, as it would be absolute idiocy for the Seer not to take advantage of wolvish shenanigans like this if that is, indeed, what they were, but surely if this was a lie, the Ranger would refute it?

ACK! *pulls out hair*

Must I explain everything... I guess so.

I was preparing my big, long, hairy, list-filled speech(post) when you came out with your Seer proclaimation. I didn't hear initially(I was preping post.) When I tried to speak (hit submit), nothing happened. I tried a couple more times, still nothing. So I wrote my thoughts(post) onto a parchment(text document) and left the village(got offline). When I returned, I found that I had said my piece(posted) four times! I hastily removed my extra words from the air(deleted repeated posts). So after all that, I read your proclamation and responded to that(post #147).

I get finished with that, only to find Estel questioning me. So I give him a response, and come back to find another interogation, form Feanor. Maybe this will finally end this cycle.

P.S. If you don't believe me, ask TORE, he saw the quadrupligy.

[The Only Real Estel]

You've spoken well in the last DAY, Gurthang. But the evidence is against you. I will list my case now if I can.

DAY one Bergil encourages us to cut you some slack before we were really considering lynching you. A wolf sticking up for a wolf?

Again on DAY one, when I came across this, posted by malk:

"As promised, i have returned with more suspicions. I had to ask myself the question, who would want to kill a poet? Clearly not Gurthang or Hiriel , as both musicians and librarians enjoy such art forms."

I thought it was interesting. If malk turned up wolven (which is all but confirmed now) I knew I needed to look closer at Hiriel & you. Now Hiriel has been cleared, that leaves you. Clearing people on account of the logic malk used may be in jest or it may not. I am now thinking that it wasn't made only in jest...

Then, after Kitanna's death, you posted this: (post #61)

Posted by Gurthang:

I would believe, however, that the wolves would kill someone who did not directly have contact with them either way. This would leave absolutely no trail.

Voted for Kitanna:
Gurthang

Mentioned by Kitanna:
Eonwe
Wayne
Gurthang
Thinlómien
Folwren
Feanor

Mentioned Kitanna:
Feanor
Rune
Folwren
Gurthang
Hiriel

The fact that you happened to be on all three list of people associated with Kitanna struck me as odd & something to keep my eye on.

Also, you used Kitanna's death as a forum to clear yourself of wolvery:

It would be downright stupid for a wolf to kill the person they voted for, especially if they were the only one to vote for said person. It might be a good bluff, but it would draw far to much suspicion to be effective.

Saying basically that you couldn't be a wolf because Kitanna was killed? Now I see that Kitanna was killed to give you a chance to clear yourself.

You pressed SR for more of a reason for "jumping in" on malk - which isn't bad unless you are trying to throw suspicion on an innocent for jumping on one of your counterparts.

You pressured me for information on the seer, which is not bad in itself, only another piece to the puzzle as the pieces fall into place.

And one more thing: Bergil, malkatoj, & Gurthang ALL voted for Sleepy Ranger last round. Normally the wolves wouldn't want to be grouped together like that, but they no doubt figured they had a good chance of saving Bergil completely (which they nearly did) & so were forced to jump on SR.

That is my case & the facts surrounding it. I'm sure more can be found, but I'm fairly sure we don't need more now...

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

[The Only Real Estel]

I am now off for a bit of a rest (sleep), I shall return after my cat nap (8-9 hours or so ) to see what's been said.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me. Which probably doesn't help me any.

Oh, and to even further push myself to get lynched: you forgot to mention that I voted for Sleepy to put him ahead of Bergil yesterday.

So what then can I say in defense? Nothing. Everything points to me. I'm not a wolf, but you're not going to believe me anyway, so why bother.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by The Only Real Estel

malkatoj & Gurthang are our final wolves.

I know that my chances of survival are... shall we say... slim? tonight. But is the plan that we lynch malka (who you seem certain of, and your logic impresses me) and I dream of Gurthang just to be certain? As I said before, I'm still not certain on Sleepy, but if you truly think he's innocent, I won't waste the dream.

Oh, TORE, just for posterity's sake, can you tell us who you protected last night? I'll be relieved if it was me, but knowing the luck I had today (running late, failed a psych test, class ran long, late to cs, sore from dance, tripped up stairs, couldn't see a show because I had to write several papers) you dreamt about somebody else. That would just be the perfect end to a long day, that... finding out you spent the night hovering outside Jack's house or something. I hate superfluous revelations. *sigh* Okay... bed time for exhausted little girls like me. Maybe I'll have a nice dream in RL.

Can't wait to see what the morning brings.

[malkatoj]

Originally posted by Gurthang :
You know, if I wasn't me, I'd look at the evidence and vote for me.

I know! I feel the same way. With all the evidence pointing in our directions, I think it leaves us with no choice but to do a whole bunch of insane stuff during the day and hope for a really sweet death.

But they can only kill one of us. Or they could be cool and listen to my sig and lynch Calculus.

[Thinlómien]

I'm really sorry that I didn't vote last day, but I've been having time difference problems You all post most of your arguments when it's around 02-06 AM my time (GMT +2). And last time I thought that if I voted around 8.30 AM my time I would be in time, but as you have noticed, I was late from the vote. So today I'm going to vote, no matter when.

This has gone very interesting. TORE's and Fëa's ranger+seer theory is quite interesting, and I don't find any holes in it. But, of course, they could be cheating. (For their own fun - I don't believe them being werewolves.)
So if they aren't in count, there are still malkatoj, Rune son of Bjarne, Sleepy Ranger, Jack (Folwren), Eonwe, Hiriel and me. So, who are werewolves?
Rune - difficult to say. Could be a wolf.
malkatoj - there have been good points against her. She is maybe a wolf.
Sleepy Ranger - at first I was quite suspicious about him, but now I'm not so much. I wonder what's that for.
Jack - probably the most difficult. I can't say anything. Can be a wolf, can be innocent.
Eonwe - probably innocent.
Hiriel - seems innocent, but that can be only an illusion. Can't tell.

I'll post more later.

And for further references, I'm a she.

[Gurthang]

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Sigh... My plan was quite useless in the end but it did help me figure out that Bergil was evil but I would've understood that anyway... As for figuring out who the Seer was, back when Fea point at Malka I was half sure so I said just go for it. Anyway after tieing together a lot of things (and thanks to TORE) I have decided that Malka and Gurthang are the final two wolves but I'm more certain Gurthang is one...
Something I read last night convinced me of this, as soon as I find it I'll put it up.

malkatoj: please don't talk about me. Hopefully, we will lynch you toDay. When you are proven a wolf, I would like to not have you connected to me.

Hmm... In my mind this gets you two more connected...

[Thinlómien]

Exactly, Sleepy Ranger. I think Gurthang made a little mistake there...

Originally Posted by Gurthang

Exactly. So now I ask again for you to tell us why you suspect malkatoj.

What about this? Isn't it quite obvious that malkatoj and Gurthang are the remaining werewolves? In my opinion it's the correct solution, but never, never can be sure (except after lynching, but then it's too late.)

What about Rune? Usually he appears in a very unwerewolfish way, but he has done one thing that makes me really suspicious.

Another thought: Can we afford to have Thinlomien in the village. (Is kind of hidding)

I will give Thinlomien another day, if he does not post more i am likley to vote for him!

Why would an innocent villager want to vote someone who's just not so active? Shouldn't suspected werewolves be the priority? Perhaps Rune can tell himself.