Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Seriously?

As serious as a harpoon through the heart of a wise-cracking pale person. Which, incidentally, should also not happen at the end of toDay, for different reasons.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I don't know if it'd do any good to put anymore candidates into play and end up spreading out the votes too much. Of those that already have a vote, I'm most inclined to vote Eomer. I don't like that he suggested a no-vote then suddenly voted Sally out of nowhere. I know it's Day 1, but surely there could've been a better pick than someone who hadn't really gotten a chance to post anything yet.

I was considering adding Lottie, because that post 57 looked creepily cheerful (taking out the IC banter)

Originally Posted by Lottie

So. Not bad for a Day 1. Amandil is out already, which narrows our choice for lynchings - if we even decide to lynch anyone at all. I think this is shaping up quite well. I'll be online...basically from here on out.

EDIT: xed with a lot of people. Also, lynchings tonight. Got it. ^.^

Which seems like she fully agreed with it from the start, yet call it revenge, I don't like her insinuation I'm playing Mr. Nice Boro by taking the popular choices.

Edit: tagging the 2nd quote as Lottie's Post 57

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Sally

Looks like a possible attempt at saving your own hide to me.

Yes, and there has been something a bit "off" about Morsul's posting since the start– at least, I was thinking about voting him even before I logged on again– only, I'm not sure about the wisdom of bringing another candidate into play *now*.

EDIT:'d x'd with many.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Looks like a possible attempt at saving your own hide to me.


I'm having difficulty deciding, and for the sake of safety and sanity, I'm going to take a few minutes away and then I'll be back to vote.

Day one had to take what very little information and intuition(because that's helped me so much in the past) and try to get a least a semi-not random vote in.

As for my first page posts itwas mostly based on we had so few players and then got more last minute just wanted to double check that we still had 3KM also I was excited first game in about 2 years.

And to be perfectly honest Phantom's plan is brilliant and I had to read it a few times to get it, brain function is low before coffee.

x'ed a bunch

[Boromir88]

Ok I've been over in my head about either Lottie or Inzil enough...

++Lottie

[the phantom]

Wait, wait... Has Morsul not played in forever? If so I should probably pass him Day 1...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Of those that already have a vote, I'm most inclined to vote Eomer. I don't like that he suggested a no-vote then suddenly voted Sally out of nowhere.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. While I'm not too keen on Zil at the moment, I do agree with him about Eomer seeming suspicious.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Wait, wait... Has Morsul not played in forever? If so I should probably pass him Day 1...

Forever and a Day.

[the phantom]

VOTES
Eomer ++ Sally
Pom ++ Inzil
Shasta ++ Steve
Inzil ++ Eomer
Lottie ++ Steve (2)
Morsul ++ Sally (2)
Boro ++ Lottie

VOTERS REMAINING
Nerwen
Manwe
Phantom
sally
Steve
Brin

[Brinniel]

++Eomer

For reasons stated in my previous post.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Day one had to take what very little information and intuition(because that's helped me so much in the past) and try to get a least a semi-not random vote in.

As for my first page posts itwas mostly based on we had so few players and then got more last minute just wanted to double check that we still had 3KM also I was excited first game in about 2 years.

And to be perfectly honest Phantom's plan is brilliant and I had to read it a few times to get it, brain function is low before coffee.

x'ed a bunch

The problem I have with this is that you didn't deny my "accusation" of you just trying to save your own skin.

However, given Eomer's flip flop about not voting (and then voting me, of all the scandalous notions), I believe I'll have to choose him over Morsul; it's simply too risky to spread the vote so close to deadline.

++Eomer

[the phantom]

++Lottie

[Galadriel55]

Deadline. Please Stop Posting.

[Eönwë]

So I suppose it's

++Eomer

edit: x-ed with mod.

[Nerwen]

Well, hey, looks like the universe is safe after all...

(Sorry, O Moddess– I really, really, honestly meant to vote this time– just lost track...)

[Galadriel55]

Steve's vote counts but anything after (?) does not.

Eomer is lynched with a clear majority of votes. Narration to come in a short while. I'll edit it into this post.

Nerwen and Manwe - please do not forget to vote toMorrow. (Nerwen, you are, of course, forgiven, but PLEASE vote toMorrow!)

Edit: whoops, never mind about editing the narration into the post!

[Galadriel55]

The crowd was gathered around the place where they found the dying man that morning. Accusations flew high, and chaos was among the people. One knew not what to do or how to proceed. Among the confusion stood an aged man, proud and silent. His eyes were thoughtful and his beard almost white. So wise the men deemed him to be that the people begged him, all as one, to give them counsel.

“Counsel you shall have from me,” he said, “and more”. All were now looking intently at him, even the youngsters, surveying his face. The more they looked the more wisdom the old man seemed to attain. “You have heard your neighbours speak among themselves,” the man began, and the people nodded their agreement. “You know what a true Faithful would say.” More nods from the people. “I know what a true Faithful would say.” Shouts of “Aye!” are heard. “Yet there are three among us who cannot possibly say it, for they are not of the Faithful. Therefore I say to you: think! Which people do not speak like the Faithful should? Which ones sound like frauds?” His eyes went around the circle of men and stopped on one face. The others followed his gaze.

“What say you to that?” someone asked the man.

“I say that there is no taint on me!” he replied with heat, and with a trace of fear. Men around him began to shout. He protested. He reasoned with them. He replied to one of them, but for each answer he gave ten new accusations were thrown at him. Finally, the old man said,

“Are you a King’s Man in disguise?”

“I am not!”

“But do you not think that with all the evidence these good people have gathered you cannot not be a King’s Man?”

“...I think... Therefore I am – according to you! To you and all the rest of you! What happened to my brothers? My brothers, who but a day ago would have risked their life for mine! And now I am a King’s Man!” His anger and resentment was beyond words. With a desperate gleam in his eyes, he raised his fists and looked about like an animal trapped in a cage. Someone laughed.

A stone whizzed through the air and hit him on the head. Another followed. The man hid his head under his arms. More stones flew. In a matter of ten minutes, it was done. And nothing happened. The villagers perceived now with horror that they have indeed killed one of their own, an innocent ordinary man. The old man closed his eyes.

ALIVE:

Morsul
Nerwen
Inzil
Lottie
Shasta
Manwe
PomPom
The Phantom
sally
Boro
Steve
Brin

DEAD:
G55, the hesitant King’s Man (modess) – stabbed on Night1
Eomer (ordo) – stoned on Day1


Night people, do your job. KMs, PM me your kill. Elendil, Anarion - names.

[Galadriel55]

The night was still and silent. Then, a door opened. The glow of a candle illuminated the street. The candle moved steadily along the street, to the town square. The square was surrounded by buildings and had a well in the middle. All the ways met there, people once said – which was true enough about the village.

The well creaked and groaned as a bucket of water was pulled up. The man with the candle unhooked it from the rope and stood it on the ground. Hearing footsteps behind him, he turned around to face the three approaching men. He laughed quietly. It had no mirth to it.

“What would such a noble man be doing outside at this hour?” one of the King’s Men asked sweetly.

“No less and no more than getting a drink of water, good sirs,” the man replied, with a hint of mockery in his voice.

“A drink of water? What a small thing to pay for with your life, lordling,” the second man said.

“At the least my life will be worth more than all of yours put together!” the man replied steadfastly.

“Your life? Life, say you? Life? Bah! It has no value. Of cheap things it is the cheapest,” the third King’s Man laughed. “Life! What is life? A chicken has life too, and yet you will not hesitate to eat it!” He laughed again. “Two men have lost their lives by our hands. Now it will be three. And there will be more – all of this beggarly brood, and more – all of the Elendili! What is their life but a thing bound to be lost?”

“You are a fool, if you speak so,” the lone man replied majestically. “You do not know how dear life is. You will not know – not until you lose it yourselves. The only reason my life is worth naught to you,” he continued, “is because by taking it you save your own. You are nothing but cowards! Craven!”

“If you think this will aid you, you are mistaken, and you will pay dearly for your mistake.” The King’s Men smiled as they advanced. The man stood silent and proud, as though he was not, weaponless and outnumbered, facing the last minutes of his life, but as though he was a king in the head of an army leading his men to victory.

They struggled with each other for a long time. But the man was one, when the King’s Men were three. Eventually they held him fast between them, and he, exhausted, could not escape. Two of the men gripped his arms and shoulders, so that he could not move, and the third forced his head into the bucket of water that the man himself raised from the well.

“Drink, man, drink!” the King’s Men taunted. “We would not be indebted to you!”

And he drank. He breathed in deeply. Once, twice. His body went limp. A pale mist rose over his body and floated slowly to the West, where the last stars still showed against the pale of dawn. The King’s Men stared at his body, unbelieving. How could a man who valued life so much part with it so easily? The stood for a few more minutes, and then walked away, still pondering, leaving the body untouched. When the villagers woke up, they found it lying there, with the face still in the water.

ALIVE:

Morsul
Nerwen
Inzil
Lottie
Shasta
Manwe
PomPom
The Phantom
sally
Steve
Brin

DEAD:
G55, the hesitant King’s Man (modess) – stabbed on Night1
Eomer (ordo) – stoned on Day1
Boro (gifted) – drowned on Night2


Night people - stop your nightly duties! Day people - begin your daily tasks!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Boro (gifted) – drowned on Night2

That is not permitted.

[the phantom]

Well crap. I suppose that means that stunt he was pulling in #20 was legit, then? I was hoping that he was an Ordo doing a distraction, or perhaps a Baddie laying something false, but I feared he was totally on the level with his hinting, and obviously the baddies agreed....

*sigh*

Was he the dream chain, Shasta?

[Morsul the Dark]

Well, starting off with yesterday's result. I can't deny I'm relieved. I honestly thought Eomer was Erendil . His vote for Sally was so random based on a post with a promise to return later. I looked at everyone's lists and saw Sally on Zil's I Thought maybe zil was the dreamer revealing Sally to Eomer... apparently not the case.

I voted Sally for some suspicion but mostly that theory, which I tried to hide to protect Eomer. when the votes started coming in I hoped for an Isildur save(thankfully they must have been smarter than me.)

Now that doesn't mean I don't find Sally suspicious after all she's trying to call me out for protecting myself(kind of the point of an innocent.) I do however have no plans to vote her again at least today unless something crazy happens.

Voted fo Eomer
Eonwe
Brinn
ZIl
Sally

Brinn and Zil mention Eomer's flip-floppyness on voting as reasons I get that.
Eonwe kind of parrots their reasons.
Sally votes Eomer because the votes are too close she votes to save herself(that thing I'm supposedly evil for doing)

Now to last night's results:

Boro gone. A gifted. but which one? if I'm reading into the narration right it's Isildur? Well that stinks but it means That Elendil is still out there which would be good.

We'll have to see how this day progresses but things might be getting interesting...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well crap. I suppose that means that stunt he was pulling in #20 was legit, then? I was hoping that he was an Ordo doing a distraction, or perhaps a Baddie laying something false, but I feared he was totally on the level with his hinting, and obviously the baddies agreed....

I read that post a dozen times just now, and I can't make heads or tails out of any hints in there. I might just be bad at hints, though. If it's something that'll help understand where we're at and what's going on, would you mind explaining it a bit for me?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Boro gone. A gifted. but which one? if I'm reading into the narration right it's Isildur?

Yeah- that's definitely what I'm thinking.

And I seem to remember someone *ahem* being told that his idea was horrible- the idea about Isildur just going ahead and using his Gift on the Day 1 lynch, because he was probably innocent. Well... The lynch was innocent and Isildur is now dead.

Can I say it? Can I say it?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I read that post a dozen times just now, and I can't make heads or tails out of any hints in there. I might just be bad at hints, though. If it's something that'll help understand where we're at and what's going on, would you mind explaining it a bit for me?

I was about to post this.

Are we trying to say Brinn is evil? Honestly that's the only thing that jumps out but that's part of an example. also well I supposed Boro could be the dreamer And a gifted but what are the chances?

but even if that was the case he voted Lottie...

EDIT X'ed with Phantom

[the phantom]

Lottie and Morsul, regarding post #20- assume that Boro dreamed about Brin and then reread the post. I believe you'll see it's suddenly shouting "Kill me! Break the chain!" Hence my appeal to Shasta to tell us if things are truly that bad, or if Boro was bluffing in order to preserve the Elendil dreams.

[Inziladun]

So, an ordo down and a Gifted. We don't know which Gifted, but neither do the baddies.

YesterDay, at two minutes before DL, Steve and Sally were tied with two votes, and Eomer had one (mine).

Brinn and Sally brought Eomer into the lead, and Steve put it away.

I wonder what might be the chances of Brinn, with either Sally or Steve (though probably not both) being packmates?

x/d with two phantoms and Morsul

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Lottie and Morsul, regarding post #20- assume that Boro dreamed about Brin and then reread the post. I believe you'll see it's suddenly shouting "Kill me! Break the chain!" Hence my appeal to Shasta to tell us if things are truly that bad, or if Boro was bluffing in order to preserve the Elendil dreams.

I could maybe see it being Boro the Dreamer hiding the message "Brinn is innocent" and knowing Elendil would understand. I fail to see anything about 'kill me' or 'break the chain'.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Are we trying to say Brinn is evil?

Evil? If Boro did dream of Brinn, I'd say that post would mean that exact opposite - that Brinn is innocent.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lottie

I could maybe see it being Boro the Dreamer hiding the message "Brinn is innocent" and knowing Elendil would understand.

You got it, Lottie. In a post talking about dream hints to Elendil he specifically says that it would be easy to hint, just do it like this, and then declares Brin innocent.

Yesterday I think I was strongly leaning towards "innocent ploy", but during the Night I reread and I just got very uncomfortable about it, thinking he may have actually given himself away.

The "kill me, break the chain" translation- I'm saying that's what the KMs would see within his post (do you follow me?), as setting yourself up as the dreamer (and therefore the dream target the following night) would clearly put oneself at risk if the KMs opted for the chain-breaking option as opposed to the blind shot at Elendil option.

[the phantom]

But anyway- I'm not going to stress any more about it. Perhaps Boro outwitted the KMs and it was strictly a bluff (a risky one as he was Gifted, but still a very good one if it protects both Elendil and the dreams). I'll hope for that until Shasta can tell us what vision he saw.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You got it, Lottie. In a post talking about dream hints to Elendil he specifically says that it would be easy to hint, just do it like this, and then declares Brin innocent..

That's something to think about, but I wouldn't take it as a given, at this point.

x/d with phantom

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

The "kill me, break the chain" translation- I'm saying that's what the KMs would see within his post (do you follow me?), as setting yourself up as the dreamer (and therefore the dream target the following night) would clearly put oneself at risk if the KMs opted for the chain-breaking option as opposed to the blind shot at Elendil option.

Ahhhh. I thought you mean that Boro himself was actively and purposefully calling for his death, and that just made no sense.

EDIT: xed with Zil

[satansaloser2005]

Okay. Calmer now. Although, hold on. Shasta's a gifted, and Boro too? If Phantom makes three, Gal deserves a prize from me four having the best taste in gifted selection.

EDIT: x'd since #142

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Evil? If Boro did dream of Brinn, I'd say that post would mean that exact opposite - that Brinn is innocent.

Indeed, reread it more carefully. Maybe I shouldn't play words with friends and WW at the same time concentrate morsul concentrate.

We'll have to wait for shasta to see if that was the case. if shasta was sent a dream about boro that would mean a wasted chance for us to get another role. revealed. Dang...

x'ed a bunch: phantom I'm seeing what you mean with the bluff that'd be an interesting decision. I don't know if I buy it though a gifted would be messing with fire like that. he must've known it would draw attention if that's what he was attempting to do, just hint.

[Inziladun]

I find it difficult to see a Borondil putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

x/d with Morsul

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

Shasta's a gifted, and Boro too? If Phantom makes three, Gal deserves a prize from me four having the best taste in gifted selection.

Ah, she must've based her Gifted selections on charm.

So- the KMs are probably socially awkward types.

I'm interested in debating guilt/innocence based on this premise and seeing how long it can go before things get ugly...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I find it difficult to see a B]Borondil[/B] putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

Though, if he were Elendil, his oh-so-famous post makes a whole 'nother level of sense: Elendil specifically telling his Dreamer how to tell him the role of the Dreamed.

EDIT: xed with tp.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

We'll have to wait for shasta to see if that was the case. if shasta was sent a dream about boro that would mean a wasted chance for us to get another role. revealed. Dang...

The assumption of failure here and accompanying "dismay" looks a bit odd.

x/d with tp and Lottie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Though, if he were Elendil, his oh-so-famous post makes a whole 'nother level of sense: Elendil specifically telling his Dreamer how to tell him the role of the Dreamed.

EDIT: xed with tp.

Not to mention, specifically telling the Dreamer who *he* is.

EDIT: xed with Zil.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

I find it difficult to see a B]Borondil[/b] putting himself out like that on Day One, whether accidentally or with intent. I like to think we still have Elendil with us.

Oh, definitely. No way would he have done that as Elendil. Elendil doesn't have to do anything remotely risky. I realize there's the double-bluff angle, but given the importance of the role I don't think Boro would be one to make that particular bluff.