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++Pitch
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My queen seems like her normal self - no red flags there. Morsul's vote/theory on Huey isn't one I can get behind, but that's pretty much normal-Morsul as well. Not too worried. Sally - eh. Again, no real red flags - nothing stuck out to me in a particular fashion. Boro - goofy. Possible candidate for dorky husky. Don't know, though - that's almost too easy. Huey - unlikely wolf based on early Rune-wagon yesterday. With only two wolves I tend to think they'd be a bit more careful in terms of bussing - especially with how lackadaisical yesterday's lynch seemed to be. Lalaith - outside shot at her being the wolf based on absenteeism; I do think there's possible merit to the other wolf not being around to try and influence the lynch off of Rune. Pitch - the wolf, in my opinion. Subtly tried to push lynch away from Rune onto possible Moon Moon-Boro, and shaded me when I called attention to it. I'm headed out. Lynch wisely, guys.
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On the contrary, my dear sir. I in fact said (though admittedly in a different post) that Boro could be the cobbler, but if he is, he's not our target.
As for Huey, I said I could see the possibility of wolf-on-wolf and that I wouldn't count him as innocent based solely on that vote. To make that clearer, I'm not assuming Huey is innocent because he voted for Rune on Day One. Of course ToDay he's made my brain hurt in a suspicious kind of way. Speaking of aching brains, I have a nasty migraine and am leaving shortly for a friend's NYE gathering during which I will likely fall asleep on their couch within an hour. I'll probably vote soon. x'd since Pitch
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I swear I typed this, but apparently I didn't.
It seems to me like Pitch is twisting words, which doesn't strike me as his normal self. I'm well aware it might just be my migraine, so if others feel I'm reading too much into this, please let me know. ....I just received a reply to a FB message asking who Pitch is and whose words he is twisting. Ah, so that's what happened. I'm going mobile for the rest of the Day.
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Just in case I pass out before I'm able to vote....
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I can't help wondering whether Morsul's suspicion of Huey is as solid as his trust of Sally; it doesn't seem so as far as I can tell. Between Nerwen and Lalaith, I'd prefer voting for Lalaith; I have a notion Nerwen might have done more than her analysis if not for time zone difference, whereas Lal made several posts but was almost Ms Agreeable in terms of voicing no suspicion.
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Don´t want to go meta on everyone again but it is new years eve and I´m sneaking onto a computer at a party to do this so don´t expect much in depth analysis.
So early on in the Day I was thinking that I wouldn´t vote for Huey, Sally or Pitch (for reasons I stated earlier) and would probably go for one of the quiet ones (partly because I think we may have a quiet wolf or Cobbler and also on a selfish level with so few of us it makes it less fun to play if the active players are killed) Now Huey, Sally and Pitch seem to be suspecting each other and I don´t know what to think. And Morsul has said some stuff which is usettling...
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Who, do you think, could that be?
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Oh great. Just gone back through the thread and it seems we have a vote each for Huey, Nerwen and Pitch. Not mad about any of these choices. I would be up for voting for Boro (Cobbler or wolf acting as cobbler?) or, under certain circumstances, for Morsul. But with so few of us, it seems silly to start vote-spreading.
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Regarding Pitch's question to me, I thought I read more than one person say Boro looked all right today, but I may have misremembered when making that post.
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![]() But of the quiets I actually have most mixed feelings about Morsul right now. Of the three we have votes for at the moment, I´d be most inclined to go for Nerwen, mainly because I don´t think either Pitch or Huey are guilty. I´ll go and have another glass of champagne and think about it...
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Lal, my dear, I like how you think....
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(x-ed with Lalaith and Sally)
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Will comment further when I've read the rest of the thread. Edit: x'd with Pitch.
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Back. Just in time, will be catching up on the thread.
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OK, voting time approaches. Of the three that have votes so far, I don't feel comfortable with lynching Huey or Nerwen (since she's back), and certainly not myself. I said I could see myself voting Lalaith, and nothing she's said so far has really changed this, so that's what I'll do most likely, but I'll vote to save myself if I have to.
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Why the vote for Huey?
Wolf-on-wolf is of course nothing new/nothing that doesn't happen in almost every game, but with just 2, I can't imagine it being a successful strategy. Especially, a first time wolf bussing his only pack mate, with a seer around that the lone wolf also has to avoid/survive. If anything sally's vote is more wolf-on-wolf, but even for the reasons given that by the time sally voted there was really no saving Rune anyway is a stretch for Day 1. Seems pretty pointless to suspect the 2 remaining living Rune voters, considering it's just the day after their votes lynched a wolf.
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I am at a New Year dinner with family. Could someone please tell me the final vote tally at DL when the time comes? Pretty please and apologies.
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Ok, the champagne hasn´t helped, I´m still confused. Pitch, Im not reallly sure why you suspect me and if we are both spared we can thrash it out tomorrow. I can see why Nerwen is cross and suspiciious about my voting for her but it really is Hobsons Choice here.
Well my dear creatures of the night, happy new year. ++ Nerwen
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And why the votes against Nerwen?
I mean everyone realizes I had absolutely no good reason to vote for her yesterday, other than she terrifies me.
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Between Pitch and Lal, I'll go with....
++Lal Hedging my bets in case my migraine-induced paranoia made me overreact to Pitch. X'd since Lal
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Sooo its...
Morsul >>>Huey Huey >>>Nerwen Shasta >>>Pitch Lalaith >>> Nerwen (2) Sally >>> Lalaith With Pitch, Nerwen, and myself left to vote.
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Allright then.
++Lalaith Happy new year, and Sally, get better!
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If I vote for Pitch. He's going to vote for Nerwen I'd assume And then Nerwen would vote for Pitch. If I vote for Nerwen she's getting lynched...garrr
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++Pitch
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DL.
Morsul >>>Huey Huey >>>Nerwen Shasta >>>Pitch Lalaith >>> Nerwen (2) Sally >>> Lalaith Pitch >>> Lalaith (2) Boro >>> Pitch (2)
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Night 3 Begins
Thank you Pitch!
Nerwen is the first to get 2 votes. She is the Ranger. ~~~~~~~~~~ The argument was heated, for one more wolf remained in the midst of the creatures who haunted Fornost Erain of old. "It's the gorcrow," said the demigorgon. "No, it's the bat," said the pair of eyes, squinting in his direction. "I can't see the gorcrow as evil." "That's cause you're near blind," retorted the demigorgon, "that's why you squint. "I squint," replied the eyes with dignity, "as a mark of constant suspicion and vigilance!" "Hot be heart and hot be words, Hot the quarrel to draw swords..." mumbled the Wight in response. Voices were raised and lots were cast, and the Wight was fated to die. "She shouldn't have told us to quarrel and draw swords!" Said the teacup pomeranian, adjusting her bicorne hat. "Indeed!" said the fell voice, and pulled out a sword out of thin air. "You are making a grave mistake - " the Wight tried to give warning, but it was too late. The sword swung around and chopped off her head. LIVING Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time Lalaith - fell voice on the air Pitch - undead vampire bat Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow Morsul - demigorgon Shasta - squinting red eyes DEAD Rune - wolf, lynched D1 Inzil - ordo, killed N2 Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2
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Day 3 Begins
The demigorgon did not sleep well. Hos sleep was haunted by visions. A small noise made him open his eyes. In the dark, he saw two rows of teeth just above his head.
"Is this still a dream?" "'Fraid not," said the wolf. LIVING Sally - Boo Joe, a teacup Pomeranian with abnormally sharp teeth and a Napoleon complex Boro - a warg bred for a single purpose, never being on time Lalaith - fell voice on the air Pitch - undead vampire bat Huinesoron - inverted gorcrow Shasta - squinting red eyes DEAD Rune - wolf, lynched D1 Inzil - ordo, killed N2 Nerwen - Ranger, lynched D2 Morsul - Seer, killed N3
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Yeeeeeeah, I saw that coming.
![]() Also, my apologies to Nerwen. I done goofed real hard and didn't realize the state of things when I voted.
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Obviously, for a whole bunch of reasons, I'm almost definitely voting for Huey today, but for now, I'm probably going to bed.
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This post was written last Night, under the suspicion that Morsul would be nightkilled and confirmed as Seer.
Well... bother. ![]() With only six people remaining, I'll start again with my impressions of everyone, but first I'll address the Oliphaunt in the room: yes, I know this looks bad for me. But a Seer who had caught the last wolf would just straight up say 'I'm the Seer, and he's the Wolf' - with eight villagers left, that's a 100% certain village win. So no, Morsul couldn't have dreamed of me. Sally - Innocent, as confirmed by Morsul in post 91: Quote:
Boro - weird Day One, sounded sensible early Day Two. Late posts in Day Two also sound fairly reasonable. Question for Boro: was your Pitch vote just an attempt to prevent Nerwen being lynched, or did you suspect him? (And if so, why?) Pitch - Looking over everything... could the painting of Boro as suspect on Day One be weaker than I thought at the time? He was certainly quick to peg him as Moon Moon, and I agree with Shasta that Boro was clearly roleplaying/being playful with this comment: Quote:
Day Two... he backs off a bit on Boro, but still keeps discussing him for most of the day. He shifts to suspecting Lalaith (eventually) on... fairly solid grounds (see below). And that's the thing. Yes, it's possible to construe Pitch's behaviour as wolfish, but it just feels too organic and natural for that. The (joking?) initial Moon Moon accusation against Boro was reinforced by Boro's behaviour, and it all follows from there. Shasta - Other than a post-vote post (123), spends most of the day either professing my innocence (which is nice, but kind of suspect given that most other people found me suspicious) or suspecting Pitch. That final post tags four of the other seven villagers as probable innocents, Boro as a possible Moon Moon, Pitch as the wolf (hence the vote), and Lalaith as an 'outside shot' wolf candidate. If we have wolf!Shasta, this would be setup for (if Pitch was lynched) shifting to attacking Lalaith today. But... I don't think it's likely. I think the Pitch reading is a valid interpretation, and with comments on 3/7 (4 if you include Lalaith from the late post) villagers, Shasta hasn't really been tunnelling on one person like it seems at first. Lalaith - Cast the second vote for Nerwen, lynching her. Also cast that suspicious vote for Sally on Day One, taking us up to 5/10 on the block - and Sally is confirmed innocent, if that matters here. The Nerwen vote could have been a shot at a Gifted (I didn't see any hints, but I could've missed them), or a neat way to implicate me - 'voted innocent + dead Seer suspected him' is a good combo. And why did she say she voted Nerwen? Nerwen herself highlighted it: Quote:
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From what I can see, Sally and Morsul suspected me primarily because wolf-on-wolf behaviour is possible (and was used by Morsul in his first game). There was also this:
But I don't know what Sally is thinking of, specifically. My logic may be wrong at times, but I've always tried to draw the best conclusions I could given the information I had. Unlike Morsul and Sally, I had no evidence Sally was innocent until Morsul Seer-cleared her (at which point I did my best to gracefully drop the issue). Moving on from talking about myself... Pitch makes a good point here: Quote:
I would really like to hear more from Boro. His active-but-weird Day One was followed by a quiet-but-reasonable Day Two. Dare we hope for active-and-reasonable toDay? Boro, Lalaith, Pitch, Shasta - there's a wolf and a cobbler in those four. And Boro and Lalaith are the ones who seem strangest. hS |
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However, this disquiet is obviously now dispelled with the sad events of last night. Anyway I also agree that Sally at least is clearly innocent. (reading the rules again I see that the Seer can confirm all roles so would see if she were Moon Moon) The obvious question is - did he also dream of Huey? The answer to the question, why didn´t he say so, might be that he found it unsporting to end the game on Day 2. My other question is, given that Morsul missed the first day, did he also miss the first dream? State of play - we are down to six, we have four innocents who wish this village well, one of whom is, I am pretty sure, a confirmed innocent. There is the wolf and Moon Moon who may or may not have worked out who his wannabe packmate is. Quote:
Who would be my suspect number two? My voting has sucked this far, and is partly explained by trying to make up my mind in the early hours of the night, fuddled by exhaustion or champagne. I will read through this thread again (thankfully it´s not too long) to see what I come up with.
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There's also the fact that he took pains to clear Sally, but didn't mention anyone else as in the clear. So either he dreamed of Rune or Zil (always possible), or me as a wolf and decided that winning is for suckers (I guess?), or... he wasn't here, as he suggested. Looks most likely to me. hS |
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So I started re-reading everything but only got as far as page 2 before RL commitments took over. I´ve focused on the surviving suspects. Here´s what I´ve come up with so far.
Huey – starts off with banter with wolf-Rune and writes a poem mostly about his suspicions of Boro. Argues with Boro about first-day productivity and then semi-agrees with Pitch that Boro might be Moon Moon. Reading back over day 1 I realise that there really was a high level of interaction between wolf-Rune and Huey. Rune says, like Boro, that he doesn´t want to vote for Huey on the first day of the first game, and he votes for Zil instead. If the two were packmates, that would make sense, but it would also make sense if they weren´t, as wolf-Rune would on a meta level still want to be sporting. Huey makes the first vote for wolf-Rune, which as Boro and others have pointed out, was a high-risk strategy for a wolf-Huey when only two wolves were in play. This is still a point in his favour for me, despite Seer-Morsul´s suspicions. Boro – also starts with banter, mainly interacting with ranger Nerwen. Says he´s suspicious of too much productivity (which actually kind of makes sense) Keeps saying that he doesn´t like first day lynches (neither do I, in general, although in this game it proved unusually fruitful) But anyway, this statement could be said by either a bad or good Boro. Next day he feels he helped to expose Rune. The dubious Boro behaviour people commented on actually feels less dubious now on second reading. Pitch – sums up everybody´s behaviour so far and thinks Boro is Moon Moon. Gets annoyed with Boro for suggesting (probably in jest) a no-lynch first day. Says this about Rune which to me sounds like quite honest wolf-hunting, Quote:
The next day he is arguing that Sally could still be guilty because Rune was apparently doomed on only 2 votes. I took issue with this and still do (Sally of course now a confirmed innocent) Ironically, two out of the three non-voters on Day one are now confirmed innocents. And something Sally about my voting for her Quote:
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