First Age Trivia - Page 39 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Might · 09-11-2007, 03:08 PM

Just one thing I'd like to see mentioned, Ancalagon is not explicitly named the mightiest dragon, but the mightiest winged dragon. I had a rather long discussion in another forum with a fellow member on this topic. he considered that Glaurung was better.
I too believe Ancalagon is more powerful, not only because he is said to have a stronger fire-breath and also the ability to fly, but also as a latter dragon must have had certain "improvements" from the original design.
His main argument was that if he really was the mightiest of all, Tolkien would not have clearly specified mightiest of the winged dragons.

Since the matter is somewhat unclear, I'd be careful about this.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-11-2007, 07:02 PM

It is completely fair for you to point that out. . .I do stuff like that my self, but as this is a quiz room I am not going to care much whether I sometimes give charachters more credit than they deserve.

Gwathagor · 09-13-2007, 05:23 PM

Ancalagon the Black is, of course, the correct answer.

Take the thread.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-13-2007, 05:47 PM

hmmm I cannot think of a very good question. . . Just give me the names of the people from the house of Hador that was raised in foster care.

Gwathagor · 09-14-2007, 10:15 AM

Tuor and Turin?

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-28-2007, 01:24 PM

I belive so (If there was anyone else then I have forgotten)

I hand the thread back to you.

Gwathagor · 10-02-2007, 07:26 PM

What was Aule's other name?

Thinlómien · 10-03-2007, 01:47 AM

I know he had some other name but I can't recall it right now... So what about Mahal, the name dwarves used of him?

Gwathagor · 10-03-2007, 07:16 AM

For sure.

Thinlómien · 10-08-2007, 07:20 AM

Who betrayed his companions because of love?

Gwathagor · 10-08-2007, 07:44 AM

Gorlim.

Thinlómien · 10-08-2007, 08:02 AM

Of course, you're right.

The Might · 11-18-2007, 09:05 AM

Ok, new one:

Which twins were spared by the enemy?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-18-2007, 11:07 AM

Elrond and Elros? Spared by the remaining Fëanor's sons?

The Might · 11-18-2007, 12:51 PM

Indeed.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-18-2007, 01:08 PM

Who taught the others something, even though grieving?

Thinlómien · 11-18-2007, 01:36 PM

Nienna?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-18-2007, 01:44 PM

It's one thing that could come on one's mind, but no.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 11-23-2007, 09:36 PM

Maybe you should lower your standards and make it more like a normal quiz question and less vague.

If this is not something you want to do, then maybe a hint of some sort would be doable.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2007, 04:10 AM

I raised my standards after I learnt that when I post a too "common" question, some Might will appear out of nowhere and answer it before anyone else could post.

The second problem is probably that I have a very vague idea of what should be considered as "common knowledge", so that I don't post anything like "what was Mr. Baggins' first name?". It's hard to define the line.

But okay, this one is quite hard, but I believe certain kind of people could know that. So, a hint - this mysterious "someone" taught the Elves something, even though grieving.

Now I believe the question even makes more sense (it was not that apparent from the original one).

Rune Son of Bjarne · 11-24-2007, 06:06 AM

Yes this one is deffinitly better! I totaly get that "I think I know this" feeling that any good question should give you, it incourages you to think and maybe even do some book searching.

Anyways about the standarts I see why you raised the level, basicly to make the game more accesable for everybody. Just be careful because if you make them too vague you exclude the ones who are not particuler fond of/good at that kind of questions.

Anyways I like the question as it is now.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2007, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Yes this one is deffinitly better! I totaly get that "I think I know this" feeling that any good question should give you, it incourages you to think and maybe even do some book searching.

Anyways about the standarts I see why you raised the level, basicly to make the game more accesable for everybody. Just be careful because if you make them too vague you exclude the ones who are not particuler fond of/good at that kind of questions.

Anyways I like the question as it is now.

Good. I will try to make it clear enough in the future. So, good luck in your riddling

Thinlómien · 11-24-2007, 11:28 AM

It was Ossë who taught teleri how to make ships, even though grieving

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2007, 11:32 AM

Hmm, Rune, what a pity

Yes, of course, you are right, Lommy. Please continue the thread

Rune Son of Bjarne · 11-24-2007, 03:02 PM

Not really. . .I did not have time or rather I did not take time to think it through and decided that I would give it ago in the early hours of the morning if nobody else had guessed it.

Of course this does limit my obviouse procrastination options, but I will survive.

Thinlómien · 11-24-2007, 03:26 PM

But Rune, my friend! You may occupy yourself with the next question:

Huan was allowed to speak three times in his life. Name the three occasions he decided to use his ability.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2007, 03:30 PM

First, when he spoke to Lúthien about her escape from Nargothrond.

Second, when Beren wanted Lúthien to turn back from their journey to Angband.

Third, before he died, saying goodbye to Beren.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thinlómien · 11-24-2007, 03:49 PM

Yes, you're right of course. Now you can make up the next question to let Rune (or someone else) procrastinate...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2007, 03:55 PM

Maybe actually answering the questions instead of Rune is in fact helping him? You know, so that he spends his time in a more... useful way.

But whatever. Let's try something easier (I believe/hope) for a change:

What fortress turned out to be absolutely useless, because it was built at a place where it was useless?

Groin Redbeard · 11-29-2007, 07:39 PM

Is it Gondolin?

Gil-Galad · 11-29-2007, 10:08 PM

whats that name... Vinyamar?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-30-2007, 04:40 AM

No, no. Gil-Galad is somewhat close, maybe he actually knows what I have in mind, just cannot find what exactly it is

Gil-Galad · 11-30-2007, 11:32 AM

maybe i do...

only things i can come up with is:

Edoras(they deserted this fort-city for helms deep)

or

Utumno(it was destroyed in the first attack upon it)

if its close to Vinyamar then i'm rather lost... geographically close or history-close?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-30-2007, 12:12 PM

Both geographically and historically.

And of course, then neither of the answers you provided was the correct one.

Gil-Galad · 12-01-2007, 02:55 AM

i could say Hithlum... it was in the north and it was overrun eventually. it posed no threat to Morgoth what-so-ever besides covering that flank, but like i said it was over run and Easterlings populated it.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-01-2007, 03:49 AM

Yes, but it still guarded the flank and the it did what it was supposed to do. The fortress I am thinking of was never used in the way it was supposed to be used when it was built.

The Might · 12-01-2007, 04:03 AM

Well, in a Legate-like style I didn't wish to post to give you a chance.
But, then again you tried...

It's Barad Nimras, built by Finrod Felagund on a headland westward of Eglarest to warn in case Morgoth would ever attack from the ocean. As he however never did, it was never needed.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-01-2007, 12:14 PM

Of course, what else. Please continue

The Might · 12-01-2007, 02:22 PM

Well, hope this next one shall prove to be a little bit problematic:

Who sang while something blossomed?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-01-2007, 03:38 PM

That can be a lot of people. At least two Valier, one Maia and one Elf come to my mind. But I believe you can be referring to Yavanna and the Trees.

09-11-2007, 03:08 PM	#1521
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Just one thing I'd like to see mentioned, Ancalagon is not explicitly named the mightiest dragon, but the mightiest winged dragon. I had a rather long discussion in another forum with a fellow member on this topic. he considered that Glaurung was better. I too believe Ancalagon is more powerful, not only because he is said to have a stronger fire-breath and also the ability to fly, but also as a latter dragon must have had certain "improvements" from the original design. His main argument was that if he really was the mightiest of all, Tolkien would not have clearly specified mightiest of the winged dragons. Since the matter is somewhat unclear, I'd be careful about this. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

09-14-2007, 10:15 AM	#1525
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Tuor and Turin? __________________ Stories and songs.

10-02-2007, 07:26 PM	#1527
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	What was Aule's other name? __________________ Stories and songs.

10-03-2007, 01:47 AM	#1528
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I know he had some other name but I can't recall it right now... So what about Mahal, the name dwarves used of him? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

10-03-2007, 07:16 AM	#1529
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	For sure. __________________ Stories and songs.

09-13-2007, 05:23 PM	#1523
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Ancalagon the Black is, of course, the correct answer. Take the thread.

10-08-2007, 07:20 AM	#1530
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Who betrayed his companions because of love? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

10-08-2007, 07:44 AM	#1531
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Gorlim. __________________ Stories and songs.

10-08-2007, 08:02 AM	#1532
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Of course, you're right. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-18-2007, 09:05 AM	#1533
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, new one: Which twins were spared by the enemy? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

11-18-2007, 11:07 AM	#1534
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Elrond and Elros? Spared by the remaining Fëanor's sons? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-18-2007, 12:51 PM	#1535
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Indeed. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

11-18-2007, 01:08 PM	#1536
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Who taught the others something, even though grieving? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-18-2007, 01:36 PM	#1537
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Nienna? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-18-2007, 01:44 PM	#1538
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	It's one thing that could come on one's mind, but no. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-24-2007, 04:10 AM	#1540
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I raised my standards after I learnt that when I post a too "common" question, some Might will appear out of nowhere and answer it before anyone else could post. The second problem is probably that I have a very vague idea of what should be considered as "common knowledge", so that I don't post anything like "what was Mr. Baggins' first name?". It's hard to define the line. But okay, this one is quite hard, but I believe certain kind of people could know that. So, a hint - this mysterious "someone" taught the Elves something, even though grieving. Now I believe the question even makes more sense (it was not that apparent from the original one). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-24-2007, 11:28 AM	#1543
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	It was Ossë who taught teleri how to make ships, even though grieving __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-24-2007, 11:32 AM	#1544
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Hmm, Rune, what a pity Yes, of course, you are right, Lommy. Please continue the thread __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-24-2007, 03:26 PM	#1546
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	But Rune, my friend! You may occupy yourself with the next question: Huan was allowed to speak three times in his life. Name the three occasions he decided to use his ability. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-24-2007, 03:30 PM	#1547
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	First, when he spoke to Lúthien about her escape from Nargothrond. Second, when Beren wanted Lúthien to turn back from their journey to Angband. Third, before he died, saying goodbye to Beren. Sorry, couldn't resist. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-24-2007, 03:49 PM	#1548
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Yes, you're right of course. Now you can make up the next question to let Rune (or someone else) procrastinate... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-24-2007, 03:55 PM	#1549
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Maybe actually answering the questions instead of Rune is in fact helping him? You know, so that he spends his time in a more... useful way. But whatever. Let's try something easier (I believe/hope) for a change: What fortress turned out to be absolutely useless, because it was built at a place where it was useless? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-29-2007, 07:39 PM	#1550
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Is it Gondolin? __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow Last edited by Groin Redbeard; 11-29-2007 at 07:47 PM.

11-29-2007, 10:08 PM	#1551
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	whats that name... Vinyamar? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-30-2007, 04:40 AM	#1552
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, no. Gil-Galad is somewhat close, maybe he actually knows what I have in mind, just cannot find what exactly it is __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-30-2007, 11:32 AM	#1553
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	maybe i do... only things i can come up with is: Edoras(they deserted this fort-city for helms deep) or Utumno(it was destroyed in the first attack upon it) if its close to Vinyamar then i'm rather lost... geographically close or history-close? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

11-30-2007, 12:12 PM	#1554
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Both geographically and historically. And of course, then neither of the answers you provided was the correct one. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-01-2007, 02:55 AM	#1555
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i could say Hithlum... it was in the north and it was overrun eventually. it posed no threat to Morgoth what-so-ever besides covering that flank, but like i said it was over run and Easterlings populated it. __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-01-2007, 03:49 AM	#1556
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, but it still guarded the flank and the it did what it was supposed to do. The fortress I am thinking of was never used in the way it was supposed to be used when it was built. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-01-2007, 04:03 AM	#1557
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, in a Legate-like style I didn't wish to post to give you a chance. But, then again you tried... It's Barad Nimras, built by Finrod Felagund on a headland westward of Eglarest to warn in case Morgoth would ever attack from the ocean. As he however never did, it was never needed. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-01-2007, 12:14 PM	#1558
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Of course, what else. Please continue __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-01-2007, 02:22 PM	#1559
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, hope this next one shall prove to be a little bit problematic: Who sang while something blossomed? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-01-2007, 03:38 PM	#1560
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	That can be a lot of people. At least two Valier, one Maia and one Elf come to my mind. But I believe you can be referring to Yavanna and the Trees. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories