TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Mirandir]

Day 1

#129
Likes what phantom said about gifteds leaving clues
Wants to read through old games

#317
Likes what sallys said about voting Fea
Hakon is suspiciou

#338
Doesn't know whether to trust phantom or not
Little suspicious of Rikae

#353
Agrees with Rikae that phantom is suspicious

#357
Votes Hakon (after morm, Alona, and sally already had)

#482
Retracts Hakon, votes Pitchwife (after Shasta, Rikae, Nienna, and Hakon)
"Had a quick chance to go through the posts and at this point Pitchwife looks more suspicous than Hakon. I'll expand on this on Day 2. Just wanted to get this in."

Day 2

#494
Justifies vote by citing Rikae, Shasta, Inzil, and Shasta again as why Hakon didn't look suspicious enough to vote for.

#562
Doesn't see Rikae as a wolf or bear, doesn't see why people think she's suspicious
Wonders why phantom voted last minute when he proposed the artificial deadline in the first place

#563
Still doesn't know what to think of phantom

#613
Tells Nienna she already explained yesterday's vote

#619
"I learned a valuable lesson. I'll remember to leave explanations for the person I'm voting. I also will be more careful with my votes. I never intended to kill the Seer. It's just the way it happened."

#624
Echoes Alona's sentiment about not being very good at figuring out roles

#629
List! Doesn't think anyone is particularly suspicious.
Looks at Hakon vs. Pitchwife voters, only person who stands out is Shasta, but not particularly suspicous

#631
Wants to hear from morm and Mira

#637
Defends reason for making list, says she and Alona are buddy-buddy because they're both new

#643
Elaborates on why doesn't think Mac, Alona, sally, and Nienna are innocent

#664
Agrees with Mac about Inzil and wants to know why Inzil voted morm

#674
Debates voting Inzil

#677
Votes Inzil
"1. I've had nothing against Rikae up to this point. I don't really like the way he went after Rikae or Mac earlier toDay. Nothing wrong in doing that. To me it just didn't look right.

2. He throws out some suspicions and doesn't back them up.

3. He asks a question of morm when morm isn't around to answer. Then goes ahead and votes for morm without explaining why.

4. After yesterday I'd rather get this vote in now and not be the deciding factor in killing a Gifted. "

Day 3

#779
Vote count and reasons

#800
Corrects sallys that she should be asking Lommy about retracted votes, not her

#814
Says needs to take a look at sally
Lommy's vote is suspicious

#831
"So I was wrong about Sally not voting for Inzil earlier. Makes more sense as to why people suspect her as well."

#834
Wants to look at morm

#841
Explains Inzil vote to Mac

#842
Defends agreeing with everyone
Doesn't know why Lommy switched her vote
Rikae doesn't seem like a baddie
morm raised flags
Wants to analyze Nessa, Nerwen, and Mac

#846
Responds to morm's suspicions of her
"I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect."

#855
Enters debate with morm about meaning of "near top" of suspicion list

#860
Clarifies nickname mistake she made that led to vote confusion

#895
Feels like Alona and sally are innocent
What sally said about morm makes her suspect him more
Rikae seems innocent still

#949
Wants to keep an eye on Shasta and Mac

#954
"I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point." (to sally)

#970
Analyzes morm, concludes is still suspicious

#1001
Links to sally's 880 post

#1006
Says linking was because sally "had some items in there regarding morm in reply to what Brinn had done."

#1009
Compares Form to Shasta

#1013
Doesn't have enough to go on to vote Shasta

#1024
Votes morm

#1040
Answers morm's question about who Rikae will/has voted for

#1064
Joke-votes for sally

#1079
Likes sally's avatar

Day 4

#1121
"It is a sad day for us villagers. Shasta did a great deed by saving someone in the village. I just wish that he weren't dead."

#1212
Having second thoughts about Lommy
Still thinks morm is suspicious

#1217
Using what Form and Lommy said to further suspicion of morm

#1232
"First: That's a good point about morm. I will have to take that into consideration.

Second: Nessa is raising some flags. I'm not comfortable with her No Vote yesterday. She has been awfully quiet throughout the game. However that may mean nothing.

Third: I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling bad vibes coming from Lommy." (to Rikae)

#1236
Agrees with Rikae that Mira, Nienna, Nerwen, or Nessa is a wolf

#1245
Leans towards Nienna, Nerwen, and Nessa at beginning of post, suspects Mira and Nerwen by the end

#1246
Wants to hear from Mira about morm vote from yesterday

#1260
Looks at Alona and Nerwen

#1265
"Here's my order:
Nienna
Lommy
Morm
Nerwen
Form
Sally
Mira
Durelin
Rikae
Mac"

#1282
Leaning towards Form

#1287
Would feel comfortable going after Nienna or sally

#1293
Explains to Rikae why doesn't think sally is evil
"I've heard that she's pretty straight forward when she's an innocent and will even say so. She doesn't tend to lie. It was mentioned twice in previous posts. Don't remember where. I do remember her stating she's an ordo. Unfortunately I don't remember what post that was. I'm thinking somewhere on Day 2. As you know Sally talks a lot and I'm not sure I'd find it in 20 mins."

#1295
Votes Nienna

#1323
Agrees with that Mac that splitting non-morm votes between Nienna and Form isn't a good idea, but did it herself

Day 5

#1345
Agrees with sally that the other BFF should be quiet
Leaning towards Form

~~~~~

If we go on my theory from yesterday that autume is Alona's packmate, I would think that sally is their third based on the way she always defends her. However, she also thought Rikae was innocent and made a point of saying it. This could be perfectly innocent, or she wanted to make it clear that she didn't suspect her so people wouldn't be suspicious when Rikae was killed by the wolves.

Unfortunately, I have to (once again) leave () and won't be back for deadline, so I'm going to have to vote now. Autume still looks suspicious to me so that's who I'm going with.

++autume98

[satansaloser2005]

#619. Did she actually say that, or was that just Mira's interpretation? 'Cause if that's actually what she said, it's pretty suspicious, at least to me.


*goes to look*

[satansaloser2005]

For the duck (who's probably not reading the game, but still....)

"That's what she said. That is what she said."


In other words, she did say exactly that, and it bothers me. Now it could be Tum feeling bad for killing the seer (as she should!) and she's planning to be less cavalier with her votes from now on, but it also could be her realizing she's done something suspicious and apologizing (for whatever reason) for doing something like....


OOOO! *wishes Dun was here, because the lightbulb's come on and I wanna see how long it'll last/how good it is*

Could Tum be our cobbler? I know I'm suggesting this rather out of the blue, but it would make sense. Her parroting (no offense, dearie) is making me look connected to a known wolf, and she's said enough to draw attention yet not enough to get herself lynched....yet. Also, it would explain her tie to Alona (if she did in fact think Alona was a wolf) as well as how bland she's being in suspicion, because she doesn't want to stumble upon a packie and kill them. Sensical?



Also, in an unrelated matter, I wouldn't be surprised if Durie was hunting me. I'm not saying you should stop suspecting me because of it, but I think it was a good possibility. *shrugs* Just my two cents.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I think Rikae might have been the failed Night kill. I'm not certain, but it's possible. What do you all think? And why would they want Rikae dead so badly?

[autume98]

At this point in time I really feel like Form is suspicious along with Lommy. I don't have a lot of people I trust right now, but I do think that Mac and Nienna are innocent.
As for the rest, I know some of them aren't innocent. I just am not sure which ones. I'm leaning towards Nerwen and Sally as Cobblers. I'm just not sure which one is the cobbler. Since I'd rather nab a wolf or bear toDay they aren't high on my list right now.
The only thing I can remember about Nessa right now is her No-Vote on Day 3. I probably won't have time to go through and analyze her today.
The only thing I can say about Mira is that she's voted for me yesterDay, now she has voted for me toDay. However I'm not going to go after her for that. I wish I had the time to go do an analysis on her. She could possibly be the bear, but so could Lommy or Form.
So my list order right now is:
Form/Lommy
Nerwen
Sally
Mira
Nessa
Nienna
Mac

Edit xed with 3 sallys

[Macalaure]

Mira, analysis is good, however, your analysis is almost exclusively summary (just like before) and altogether your approach is ridiculously narrowed-down. With so little time at hand, why is your prime focus to go after Autume instead of figuring out what was behind what happened yesterDay and what can be learned from it? You're not helpful (and that's the innocent interpretation of it. I could offer a suspicious one, but I didn't want to go after the non-morms toDay).

About the #619 comment, I read it as a newbie-ish thing to say. It felt and feels genuine, strange at it was.

Originally Posted by Sally

Also, I think Rikae might have been the failed Night kill. I'm not certain, but it's possible. What do you all think? And why would they want Rikae dead so badly?

1. What does this question matter now?
2. Why do you encourage people to talk about something which doesn't matter (when we really have better things to discuss)?
3. If so, it's obviously because Rikae was considered innocent.

Originally Posted by Autume

I'm leaning towards Nerwen and Sally as Cobblers.

Unless Nerwen is trying a very extravagant strategy, she's the cobbler. I've seen cobblers losing the interest in their hide-and-seek game before the end of the game before. Then they settle down to throwing in an occasional confusing comment, have a tone of not caring anymore, and vote for who they think is innocent. They know that lynching them is as much of a mistake as letting them live.

Originally Posted by Autume

Since I'd rather nab a wolf or bear toDay they aren't high on my list right now.

According to your list, they are high on it - they are second behind Lommy and Form - so that makes no sense. Assuming Sally is not the cobbler, what is your opinion of her?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure;608561According to your list, they [I

are[/I] high on it - they are second behind Lommy and Form - so that makes no sense. Assuming Sally is not the cobbler, what is your opinion of her?

I am having a hard time getting a handle on her. I thought she was innocent, but now I am not so sure. I don't know what to make of her vote yesterday. I don't think she is a wolf, maybe a bear.

[autume98]

Just as I posted I realized that I forgot a point.* Sally did try to get us discussing more trivial matters.* This makes her come across as more wolfish to me.* Eithr way I'm thinking that lynching her may not be a bad idea.*
Also I'm going to have some time where I'm not going to be around tonight. I'm going to have to put in an early vote.* I'll try to come back before DL, but I'm not sure if I'll make it or not due to RL.

[Macalaure]

The Voting:

Nessa -> morm - Nessa was basically a no-show yesterDay, and hasn't shown up toDay either. If you're a wolf, and that's how you'd like to win, have it your way. I won't stop you.

Nerwen -> morm - a cobbler's gotta do what a cobbler's gotta do.

Lommy -> Form - still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?

Mira -> Autume - doesn't follow the herd, but the places she leads herself are strange. Even though her vote is not suspicious, something about her behaviour makes me uneasy.

Form -> morm - very lost in general aspects and completely immersed in the morm-thing. I'm not sure about him anymore and am really, really looking forward to hear what he has to say now.

Autume -> Nienna - a bit too much of a follower there. Originality doesn't hurt, promise.

Nienna -> morm - had to save herself, but her fixation on morm...why? Just... why? *shakes head*

Sally -> morm - almost everything she says is fishy. Don't even understand why she suspects morm.


Placement doesn't really matter, with the exception of Sally's late and Nessa's early vote. I didn't really learn anything new, I have to say.

Order of suspicion:
Sally
Form
Lommy
Mira
Nessa
Nienna
Autume
Nerwen (cobbler=innocent in count)

This list can change substantially once you people actually decide to talk toDay.


One thing, though: Reading over yesterDay, I heard a lot of "morm's role will reveal a lot". I'd very much like to hear what it revealed then. Sally, Lommy, Form, spotlight is yours.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

There is no real analysis of votes, and only profiling over the kills, which is nice, but lacking in case of the wolves.

I just realised I can't profile the wolves before looking at Rikae. I'm not sure if I can do that toDay, because I have guests, but if I'm alive toMorrow, I can do it if I don't manage it now. (And the guests - Legate and Aganzir - send greetings to all of you. )

Originally Posted by Mac

There is no mention of an increased likelihood of wolves among the morm-waggoners (Mira's "throwaway" is really your greatest problem?), and apart from Form (of who I still don't understand why she was so easy to be convinced of by me yesterDay), she only suspects non-morm-voters Autume and Mira. In fact, she defends the morm-voters by saying that she might've voted him, too.

I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagon and I'm not defending those who voted morm, I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too. Which should make perfect sense. (And as for Form, you seemed to have brought up points I had ignored and even if I didn't write it down on the thread, I had my own vague wolf-suspicions of him before, so you just strenghtened it.)

Originally Posted by Mac

She still hasn't explained why morm ended up so high in her list based on her previous analysis, for it maketh no sense.

I did explain it in the post! Should I quote? His interactions with Alona were really fishy! I must admit I was as stupid as to forget/ not think about the fact that he was the counter-wagon for Alona (which btw did NOT prove his innocence, maybe just made it more probable).

Originally Posted by Mac

still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?

Yeah, I was trying to offer an alternative lead. Sadly, I didn't (and don't) have time to analyse the votes properly, and as you can see, from what I managed to look at I wasn't able to conclude (almost) anything.

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac? Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?

[autume98]

I'm hoping to be back before DL, but in the off-chance that I'm not I'm putting my vote in now.

++Form

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagon

What about the fact that it contained three known innocents?

Originally Posted by Lommy

I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too.

That ranks among the lamest excuses I've heard so far.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Which should make perfect sense.

Nope.

Originally Posted by Lommy

His interactions with Alona were really fishy!

But they were not! Why do you insist on it?

I was here waiting for the first person to say "but morm was so suspicious!", and you just won the prize. And don't say "but I asked why".

Originally Posted by Lommy

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac?

I'm aggressive against everybody toDay, you just posted more than others, so you're at the receiving end of more. The village has come to a population where you can efficiently call the nonsense others post and aren't suffocated by the sheer mass of it.

Also, Rikae and morm are dead, and somebody has to do the job of irritating people.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?

No, because you're the first to suggest that now (beyond the logical possibility).

Anyway, this last comment made me pretty sure that you are up to no good. Everybody thinks I'm innocent, so playing up the possibility that I'm the bear is the only way you can try to distract people from suspecting you by throwing out counter-suspicion. And let's see: irony, rhetoric question, kneejerkiness - yep, it's all there.


edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

[satansaloser2005]

I don't understand why Mac's being so aggressive either. I don't think it's necessarily evil and that's why it bothers me; I don't feel comfortable voting him (at least not without looking at him a lot more) but at the same time I don't like the way he's acting. (And I of course, as always, mean that in an in-game way. Love you, Mac!) I think I'll get back to looking at Nessa.

Oh, and Mac, what's 'doof' mean? Or can you not tell me on here?


ETA: Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above.

[Thinlómien]

Mac, I only made the last comment to see your reaction. To be honest, I think the bear is Form, not you. The wolves are probably Sally and Mira, and the cobbler is Nerwen. But anyway, about your reaction - it wasn't exactly innocent-looking to jump on it like that... but that doesn't still change what I said about the roles earlier in this paragraph.

Originally Posted by Mac

What about the fact that it contained three known innocents?

And? By mathematical odds there are three innocents among the morm-voters too.

Originally Posted by Mac

But they were not! Why do you insist on it?

Because they were! 1) she was looking for cover/advice from him 2) when she was accused of it, she accused morm of the same 3) he ignored her 4) until she became such a hot topic that he couldn't and then he started suspecting her. That IS fishy to my eyes. It has been proven the interactions were innocent from his part but it didn't look like that.

And lastly, I can't see what is so bad about questioning a consensus (about your innocence).

I'm going now and won't be back. I won't change my vote, it will stay and be for Form. Choose wisely. Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman. And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

Originally Posted by Sally

Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman. And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

Awww!

The love and concern is greatly appreciated, especially at the end of a week that's been a bit of a catastrophe as it's wound down.

Anyway, I'm around now--at least until my brother kicks me off the computer (I'm home with the family for the weekend before I go back to school next week, and subject to such dictatorial whims--it's also why I've not been on yet).

[Formendacil]

Okay, so I've read up on the thread, but I've not taken it in, in detail. After Morm's most unfortunate turning out to be an Ordo--and extra-Downsian concerns that have my brain elsewhere--I'm kind of at a loss. I meant it when I said my fortunes rode on the outcome of his death. So as soon as the results came up that he was an Ordo, well, I kind of just assumed I was going to die toDay--which I assure you is an undermotivating reason to get back and keep up with the game.

But I'm here now, and I should be around for another hour or two, at least (the odds increase the later it gets that my brother will want the computer). So I'll try to engage myself and be useful...

[satansaloser2005]

*hugs Form*


Really though, dear, we just wanted you around when we did this.

++Form




I just realized that 1/3 of the village is evil. (Not including the cobbler.) They're not all on the same team but still. Here's my thoughts on how the village is split, or at least how I think it works out trying to get it into correct numbers.


Baddies
Nessa
Nienna
Formie (?)
Tum (?)

Goodies
Sally (of course!)
Mac
Lommie
Mira
Nerwen (?)


I've actually forgotten several times that Mira's in this game. She's up for a look see after I (finally) get done with Nessa.

EDIT: x'd with Formie's last
EDIT #2: my list was parceled out to include the cobbler in the baddie category, in case you didn't realize

[Macalaure]

Form, if you're innocent, please stop whining about how you're going to die and get to work figuring out the wolves and bear. Savvy?

[Formendacil]

Okay, so one thing that did register with me in my read-through is that Mac wants to know why Morm looked suspicious. As someone who thought so, I'll do my best to explain, granting, however, that I'm not looking back over the thread, so this is completely what I remember, from the lazy perspective of someone who's not planning to back himself up with arguments posted somewhere.

Anyway...

You'll remember that Morm started this whole nonsense that I'm the Bear. I think that was Day 3, though the Days kind of blend together. If it was, then it was also Day 3 that saw Lommy agree with him, and the two of them cast the lone votes for me. My suspicion of Morm is rooted then, in Day 3, in his suspicion of me, for the simple reason that the one person I know to be Innocent--me--has been set on by him.

Unlike Lommy, however, Morm's suspicion of me was not laid out in a clear, easy to follow manner. Lommy's suspicion--though obviously wrong--was at least laid out with evidence from the thread... but with Morm, he had merely mentioned a couple of times earlier in the Day that he thought I was suspicious, but he definitely seemed to think that other people were more suspicious than me. Then--out of the blue, before I'd been online yet for the day--he posts a one-paragraph post changing tacks completely, and votes for me. Someone--I think it was Autume posted an analysis of Morm right after that, and had the same perception of this that I did.

After that, I guess, it was mostly a case of Morm doggedly suspecting me--with about as much reason for suspecting me ever given as has been alleged I gave for suspecting him. Lommy's suspicion of me, indeed Mac's suspicion of me yesterDay, were at least grounded in arguments I could follow, even if I disputed them. Morm? He basically kept reiterating that I had to be the Bear, and that was that. So, knowing myself innocent, and finding Morm implacably belligerent, I concluded that he was a Bear--or at least a wolf.

EDIT: Crossposted with Sally fake-voting me (you have to highlight your vote, dear) and Mac, telling me to be useful.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Sally, how many times have you talked about looking at me and still not done it.

But, toDay, I think I have to side with Tum.

++Form

[Formendacil]

*deliberately pokes Mac*

Which is to say..>

*Formendacil whines about everyone voting for him*

What's that make, Nessa--five votes for me? Six? Two-thirds of the village? About as many votes for me as you've posted all game?

It's highly amusing, in a deathly sarcastic sense, that I've been back online for all of an hour, I've contributed one semi-studied post containing some serious business, and I already feel like one of the loudmouths today.

That means I'll be lynched and probably be innocent, of course, but it's still darkly humorous, especially if Mac and Sally were to get eaten tonight... toMorrow would have to be pantomimed!

[Nienna]

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Fiona says "hi" as she wanders precariously onto the keyboard.

Thoughts:

I really really really wish Mira would post something of substance. My dear I'm concerned that you are the Bear who is just skating by. Your votes seem to be rather random and they look like you are trying to avoid a bandwagon and suspicion. This concerns me and actually makes you look more suspicious.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly where the Form-wagon came from. It seemed like blind following the evil (no offense!) If someone can give me evidence against Form then I'm more than willing to reconsider him but so far he has seemed rather Form-like.

The evil leading the blind is how the evil win.

Unless something drastic changes I'll probably be voting for Lommy.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lommy

And? By mathematical odds there are three innocents among the morm-voters too.

Are you actually trying to question the merit of analysing the votes and reasoning that led to the lynching of an innocent? Your fur is showing.

Sally, what is the reasoning on which you put people into those two groups?

Nessa, are you actually trying?

The sheer number of Form-votes right now suggests that we're wrong with it (remember 4/9 evil). I strongly suggest especially Lommy and Sally. Plus, I buy his explanation and think his general behaviour is innocent, although it could be more helpful, i.e., who do you think is guilty, Form?

Originally Posted by Nienna

The evil leading the blind is how the evil win.

Amen.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Are you actually trying to question the merit of analysing the votes and reasoning that led to the lynching of an innocent? Your fur is showing.

Mac dear, you were saying before that I was mistaken for asking why your better half (at least most days) was attacked and for trying to decide who the missed kill was. Don't we also catch baddies by analyzing Night activity?

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and my list. Past suspicions (as I've explained in bits and pieces throughout the thread) as well as my gut, which is hopefully better than it was with Morm.

[Nienna]

*Looks around for Lari*


Lommy--> Form
Mira--> Autume
Autume--> Form
Nessa--> Form

Form 3, Autume 1

Still to vote:
Form
Mac
Nerwen
Nienna
Sally

[Macalaure]

Lommy -> Form (evil vote that righteous villagers should not follow)
Mira -> Autume (probably innocent and probably wrong)
Autume -> Form (I really hope you'll be back to retract)
Nessa -> Form (*shakes head*)

Left: Form, me, Nerwen, Nienna, Sally.

Two of the ones left to vote are probably evil (Nerwen, Sally). We need to be voting very well if we don't want to be swallowed by evil votes toDay. In fact, without a retraction, we're probably losing already.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Mac dear, you were saying before that I was mistaken for asking why your better half (at least most days) was attacked and for trying to decide who the missed kill was. Don't we also catch baddies by analyzing Night activity?

Are you defending Lommy's statement?

And you're right, of course, but that was two nights ago, and you still didn't tell us why that (failed) kill in particular could help us. You actually didn't analyse the non-kill at all, you asked other to do so. Making others spend their time on things of questionable value without giving much input yourself is a wolvish thing to do, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh, and my list. Past suspicions (as I've explained in bits and pieces throughout the thread) as well as my gut, which is hopefully better than it was with Morm.

Would you mind summarising? With only a little more than an hour to go, I don't feel like searching through 35 pages.

crossed with Nienna.

[satansaloser2005]

No. I agree with you about Lommie actually, I'm just saying that you underestimated the importance of other things. And I would have analyzed the no-kill but I went to bed and have been busy since, so I've not been able to. Sorry.

Finishing Nessa as quick as possible. Sorry I'm a bit slow; I'm tired. *yawns*

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

i.e., who do you think is guilty, Form?

I barely know who's left alive in this village... how should I know who's guilty?

Okay... here's the list:

autume--first impression? She's ridden along on the coattails of others all game--Sally especially, but that may just be off-game camaraderie influencing what is either an extra-lost Ordo or a radar-avoiding Wolf. Or a really hidden Bear, but I doubt it.
Formendacil: Well, innocent, obviously.
Lommy: my first impression is to say that I haven't found her suspicious all game--despite her continual suspicions of me, which is rather odd given that I strongly suspected Morm for the same reason. It's a gut-feeling, difference, though, and while my gut still likes Lommy, my brain could be easily convinced otherwise... and if we get another Form-waggon, she's an acceptable alternative.
Macalaure--well, the fact that Mac thinks I'm probably innocent endears him greatly, and he DOES seem to have managed to remain mostly innocent in everyone's eyes--which is good, except that's how Bears and lone Wolves win... but the wolf isn't alone, and I can't get a Bear-feel from Mac--admitting, of course, I've said all along that a Bear wouldn't necessarily be discernible from an Ordo if they were clever--and Mac's played this game enough to know.
Mira really has said very little, and I'd be tempted to cast my vote in her direction. Granted, it's a bit late in the game to be voting off the quiet players, but there's always a chance that she's deliberately playing quiet so that she doesn't give herself away.
Nerwen--I'm not convinced she's the Cobbler, but I'm not unconvinced, either, if that makes any sense. She's definitely not as involved this game as she can be, but if she's the Cobbler, it makes more sense to ignore her right now.
Nessa, like Mira has said very little--less, even, in terms of my impressions, and I'd say she's made less of an effort to be useful. That'd be lynchworthy on an earlier Day, and I could definitely be convinced to go that way now... but it's not really enough on its own.
Nienna has been less than useful, and has not really responded to attempts to be prodded into something more... but, admittedly, I know she's been swamped somewhat with Real Life right now, so anti-usefulness doesn't need to equal evil. She has a couple of bad votes to her name, though...
sally looks clawed, fanged, and furry all over with her last minute votes and changes and the fact that she might be the Cobbler--and that possible argument that Durelin might have dreamed of her--inclines me to think she's probably just Sally.

So... in verdict?

I really don't know who's guilty. I'm not inclined to rule anyone out, but as for voting today, I'm inclined most to Mira or Nessa for being too quiet, or Lommy, in spite of my gut.

EDIT: X-posted since Mac's second last--the one I quoted.

[Macalaure]

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

Heh. I could flirt with Sally. You'd vote for Lommy, then, right Sally my love?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Heh. I could flirt with Sally.

*wantstoseewantstoseewantstoseewantstosee*

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

*wantstoseewantstoseewantstoseewantstosee*

I'm not flirting with you.

If you want to see, you'll have to get Sally to come around.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I'm not flirting with you.

Aww.

Originally Posted by Form

If you want to see, you'll have to get Sally to come around.

Well, anybody is hard to get to come around toDay, it seems. It's a bit frustrating, all that floodposting in the beginning, and now that the game is on the table, half the village is silent.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

Erm, I could be convinced to vote for Lommie. I really want Nessa though. (Nearly finished with her, just checking in. Had to check on the kids but I'm here til DL now yay!)

Originally Posted by CELIBATEman....heh

Heh. I could flirt with Sally. You'd vote for Lommy, then, right Sally my love?

Try me, my sweet.

[Nienna]

*hopes for poetry*

[Macalaure]

The fact that Sally could be convinced to vote for Lommy makes me doubt my choice, but it's the only thing to do that makes sense, I think.

So let's start toDay's last minute bandwaggon:

++Thinlómien

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Erm, I could be convinced to vote for Lommie. I really want Nessa though. (Nearly finished with her, just checking in. Had to check on the kids but I'm here til DL now yay!)



Try me, my sweet.

Sally, dear, I'm afraid those fluttering eyelashes have set my heat a pitter-patter too, and I'm much too dazed to come up with the eloquent wooing you so richly deserve: the fine music and poetry of a Byronic knight below the balcony of a Tennyson princess. But surely, in your majestic compassion and wisdom, you could be brought to vote for that terribly suspicious Lommy. Would it help any if I said she was distracting me from the adoration of your beauty?

(On other notes... I'd be amenable to a Nessa vote instead of a Lommy vote. Mac? Nienna? )

[satansaloser2005]

The count currently stands at -3. Let us proceed.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Well, I come back after last night's vote to a fine mess, don't I? Lynched the Seer, lost an ordo!Fea, and two other ordos in the Night.

Honestly, those who would look most dubious are Pitchwife voters, but here's something else: Wouldn't a wolf be more likely to inconspicuously slide into a bandwagon, rather than start or finish one so out in the open?

I know Tum seems suspicious because she was the deciding vote, but I don't think a wolf would do something that brings so much attention to them.

More thoughts, maybe a list, to come.

edit: crossed since Nerwen

Something in me wants to suggest that this could be a Nessa bear gloating under the cover of sarcasm. Anyway, trying to back away from that, she's just stating the obvious again and then saying Tum doesn't seem as suspicious as some of the other voters that killed Pitchie. -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Personal reasons? I do not recall saying "Rikae, I'm voting you for personal reasons."

It's nothing against you, just that the way you jumped out at Hakon, when he was only trying to help. You effectively stated that you did not like talking about useless subjects, like how bad Day one is, or the Bear, or surveys, and that worked to take the eyes off you, yet you persisted in actively participating in those same conversations, and steering the talk away from the most important subject-catching a baddie.

But no, I don't think you are a baddie, you've suceeded in catching the spotlight and no wolf would do anything to get so much scrutiny.

Defends her vote for Rikae and then says she doesn't think Rikae's a baddie. So....she voted her, but didn't think she was guilt. Am I missing something? -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Okay, I'll drop the matter, but I can't promise someone else won't pick it up. Now I find myself thinking you an ordo who likes to voice her opinion, rather than a baddie.

Now, The Phantom has somehow managed to stick himself both to the top and bottom of my suspicions. His part in finding Pitch innocent can be interpreted in multiple ways, but that is his own fault for not supporting words with actions. I can see him as maybe being a gifted, but that would be a stretch, and gifteds and baddies are often meshed together.

So....she thinks that Phantom was either a goodie or a baddie. Erm, not terribly helpful. Seems like circular logic, which I know I sometimes do by mistake or sleep deprivation, but with everything else it looks bad to me. -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I'm not sure if I should be glad or scared that you remembered me, Rikae. >_>

Nada. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I think the baddies, rather than being those deciding votes at the end of the bandwagons, were most likely the ones who hopped on in the very middle. Just a thought.

Isn't this what she said before? *checks* Yup. So why repeat it? +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?

edit:crossed with Rikae

Nothing. (Tie to Nienna.) Can't see the point of this. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Okay, wow, finally back to be able to read posts, and yay! Stuff with substance! That cures the aches from bad Elvis impersonators!

Soooo, there seem to be a lot of bandwagons to go with now, but they all sound sound. (Haha, get it?) But who really stands out?

Well, I would like to agree that alona and Tum are awfully cool with each other. But I still don't find Tum guilty, for earlier stated reasons. Alona seems a lil... Double sided this time around, I suppose. Her answers ring perfect when first read, but when pondered... could be wolf on innocent.

++alonariel

And I'm sorry that being voted for makes you feel so bad. Just know that this is coming from me only in-game. Nothing against you personally.

Fluff, says all the bandwaggons look good to her, agrees that Alona and Tum are being friendly with each other. (Ties to Alona and Tum.) Says Alona looks good but not on second glance. Seems to me like a copout, suspecting Alona but able to leave room for a retraction. Or rather, doesn't want to tie herself. (Here again I think she's a better bear than wolf candidate because I think she'd have used her 'indecision' to save Alona rather than try to kill her.) -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Ah, what a mess. I really hope we manage to net a baddie today. Seems like there are quite a few scapegoats coming under suspicion at the moment, not good. We are getting so divided, I won't be surprised if we finish the wolves' job for them.

And the nickname conversation was...unexpected, to say the least. But then again, my nick is one of the easiest.

Again, seems like a subtle gloating. I could be wrong, but it's like she's trying to appear innocent and yet....blah. +0, because I feel generous lol

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Mmmm, neither alona or Form are looking very good right now. I just can't figure out who looks more suspicious...

Who to vote for?

It looks like she's asking advice on how to vote and look the least suspicious. And then....well, you'll see. This in itself isn't horribly bad, I suppose. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

So, I just realized that I've still not followed up on my promises of a list. How typical of me.

Alona-I just get this... Feeling from her. Like sort of a wolfish feel.

Tum-Has played in an honest sort of manner, not giving any reason to suspect her, unless you count her tie-breaker on Day 1.

Durelin-I don't know very well, so I can't give a clear impression. He seems to have a talent of saying a lot of in-depth stuff, yet being completely anonymous almost.

Form-Could be a wolf, I suppose. But then again, can't everyone else?

Lommy-Is giving out clear opinions, not ringing the bells. Don't think she's a baddie.

Mac-Is there yet not. Kind of hard to analyze.

Mira-Is completely floating over my head. I have no idea what to think of her.

Morm-I am very impressed with. Puts himself out there, but kind of gray, rather than black or white, in terms of role.

Nerwen-Is giving me no idea as to what she is. Not fair, really.

Nessa-You tell me.

Nienna-Is ringing those tinkly little bells, but there's no reason for me to go after her.

Rikae-Is maybe a bit suspicious, but I don't think she's a wolf.

Sally-I am pretty sure of her innocence at this point. I saw sally!wolf in action last game, and she's completely different this time around.

Shasta-Well, if anything, I know he's not the cobbler, or he'd be catching wolves off the hook.

Well, I kind of suppose I don't know anything about anyone. I think I'm one of the only ones to fail at list making.

Doesn't really give a true suspicion/opinion on anyone. Some people do fail at that (heck, I'm one of them) but this seems wrong. -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Gah! I'm so sorry!

Nada. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....

++no vote

She has suspects from before and yet now she can't figure out who to vote for? Really?! -1, because each post is only +/-1 so I can only take one point.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I really don't see why people find my giving a valid reason for votes(or no-votes) suspicious. Voting while someone is unable to defend themselves has already lost us more innocents than baddies.

Yes, but we can't hide behind no votes, especially when we have good suspects. Fair point, but no. -1

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Hmm, Morm, you seem to bangwagon quite a bit, I've noticed after reading some. Quite suspicious if I may say so.

I suspected Morm myself so I can't fairly take off a point for this. So meh. +0

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I'm sorry about my early-vote again. I always have trouble with deadlines being in the middle of the night.

++Morm

She didn't mention him all that much. Hmmmm....random....+0, to be nice

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Sally, how many times have you talked about looking at me and still not done it.

But, toDay, I think I have to side with Tum.

++Form

At least she's said things about him before, so meh. And I finally did you, so there! +0


Total: -10. Ouch, that's harsh.

EDIT in advance: I'm going to edit in my total, so I hope that's okay. I need to make sure I'm right.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Sally, dear, I'm afraid those fluttering eyelashes have set my heat a pitter-patter too, and I'm much too dazed to come up with the eloquent wooing you so richly deserve: the fine music and poetry of a Byronic knight below the balcony of a Tennyson princess. But surely, in your majestic compassion and wisdom, you could be brought to vote for that terribly suspicious Lommy. Would it help any if I said she was distracting me from the adoration of your beauty?

(On other notes... I'd be amenable to a Nessa vote instead of a Lommy vote. Mac? Nienna? )

*feels knees going weak*

May....be....