Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

But Boro and tp - you still haven't answered my question. Why on earth get your known innocent killed, of all the possible people?

Because she was in fact our "known innocent".

In other words, any other target that I picked would have run the risk of being an actual Werewolf. And if I would've run that ploy with a WW, then the WWs would instantly know, "Phantom aint the Seer!" So no chance would they kill me then.

And with the kill set up person being a WW, they wouldn't even think about killing them obviously.

So with both pieces of bait out of the way (me and the kill-set-up), the WWs would be much more likely to kill Boro, which was the ultimate thing I was trying to prevent.

[Boromir88]

Also, by the way (this is the thing that makes me the most distrustful of these two brilliant gentlemen) - arranging the death of a known innocent sounds rather eyebrow-raising. Why choose her of all the people? Care to explain?~Lommy

I did feel pretty cold-hearted about that one, as I doubt Agan would approve, especially in a village like this.

It was really just working off tp's attempt to make Gil look like a good target. Honestly after McCaber died, I was serious about thinking I signed his death warrant. I mean I pretty much just said...last time I remember McCaber was so right about everything I was convinced he was a wolf. Then when Nerwen asked for thoughts about Agan, it just kind of popped in, well Agan has been pretty intense this game, she would make a good wolf target, and of course I knew she wasn't the seer, but knew she was innocent. So, I dressed it up as nice as possible, and I laughed when I finally figured out that tp was adding his own twist to it. I believe I sent an apology out to Agan, hope she accepted it, but I thought it was necessary for me. As I thought the only way for me to survive in this one is just to get on everyone's last nerve, and hope I only make it more difficult on the wolves.

That is why so much of my strategy relied on tp's role too. I mean I knew as hard as I tried I was not going to out post him, so I could really come out and be as active and up-front as possible, and know that tp would be even more so, and if necessary would cause bigger trouble for the wolves than I would. So, really I could come out and be as bold as I wanted to, and look like such a blatant conniving wolf, but still hopefully not too much so that I got lynched. Also, I could be as aggressive against the wolves, and look like such a blatant seer, as I wanted to because I knew I was so crazy no one would believe me anyway, until I was dead or revealed. I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me. (I was serious about my dream of voting for a filibuster and tp blocking my vote too! )

This has managed to be the only village that absolutely haunts me. (Which is my tip of the hat and bow to our modgoddesses ).

[Thinlómien]

Boro and tp - thanks for the explanation. It kind of makes sense and the way you answer makes me even more convinced you're honest.


Okay, so the last wolf must be among

Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Kath
Nerwen
Rune
Sally


I'm pretty sure the wolf isn't

Nerwen - ranger-confusion = enough said.

or

Greenie - her constant annoyance and criticism at tp and Boro looks innocent to me, also, I think she's too "sharp" to be a wolf.


I don't think the wolf is

Brinn or Kath - their overall tones are just very genuine.

or

Rune - I suspect he'd be far more nervous by now if he was the wolf.


I hope the wolf isn't

Gil - it'd be too unfair.

or

Gwath - absolutely no read on him either.


The wolf could be

Ilya - she has really said some rather fishy stuff and I think she was a bit too quick to trust tp and Boro yesterDay. Also, although I can't recall it right now, I think there's something curious in the relationship between her and Nog...

or

Sally - she seems to have been a little jumpy toDay, which is just understandable if she's about to be left alone. Also, she too says some fishy stuff.


While toDay still lasts, I'd love to have a look at the three wolves' posts and see who looks like their mate and then proceed based on those clues. Also, having a look at at least sally and Ilya separately probably wouldn't do me any bad either. But I doubt I will be much around anymore before the second phase of toDay - I have an exam to study to tonight and I don't feel it's extra necessary that I'm here right now.

[the phantom]

Voted against a filibuster-

tp
Nerwen
Rune
Boro
Sally
Ilya
Kath
Green
Lommy

That is more than half of the village, which means that there is no option of filibustering for the rest of the day. We've almost got this thing set up. We just need Rep votes from Brin, Green, and Gwath. (And me, but I'm going last just in case.)

The votes-

Ner +++++Sally
Rune ++++Boro
Boro ++++Ner
Sally ++++tp
Ilya +++++Boro
Kath ++++Ner
Lommy ++tp

Left to vote-

Brinniel- vote Boro
Greenie- vote Phantom
Gwathagor- vote Nerwen
the phantom- vote Sally

EDIT: Spacing

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Yesterday, since I found out morm was a wolf, and I was suspicious of his and Rune's interaction. I was honestly thinking about revealing and making Rune believe I dreamt he was a wolf, thus killing two wolves with one dream. But I was a little tentative and scared, that if I was wrong about Rune it could really backfire severely and thus there would be no benefit.

Whatever you do, do NOT push this button. Seriously don't dream of Rune it would be a waste of dream.

[the phantom]

Here is the Rep voting from the first three days. Listed at the top are the Werewolves. Listed at the bottom are the innocents. Somewhere in the middle is the last Wolf.

morm ++ Nog/Agan/Lommy
Nog +++ Ilya/Boro/Kath
KA ++++ Boro/Lommy/Green
----------
Brin ++++ Agan/Kath/Shasta
Gil +++++ none/none/none
Green ++ Brin/morm/morm
Gwath ++ Nog/none/Boro
Ilya ++++ Boro/Rune/Boro
Kath ++++ Lommy/Boro/Nog
Lommy ++ Ilya/Nerwen/Shasta
Nerwen ++ none/Lommy/Kath
Rune ++++ none/morm/morm
Sally ++++ Legate/none/Green
----------
Boro ++++ tp/Agan/Nog
tp ++++++ Legate/Kath/Boro
Shasta ++ Agan/Nerwen/Lommy

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

However, morm would be put into a tough position if he was the deciding vote, because he had pretty much conceded to tp. Unless if Nogrod was purely banking on Shasta's vote for tp, in which case, morm could have cast his vote for me, causing tp's lynching. That could have been seen as suspicious, but wolf-morm could have wriggled his way out of it, and precisely why I didn't want him deciding things yesterday.

Jerk!

Oh I confessed did I, ummmm just remember this is a Fea game and anything is possible...*laughs manically*

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

If I was Fea, why would I keep around a player who is as good as modfired? (Aka Gil, in case you didn't pick up on it) I wouldn't put it past her to have had Gil as the last wolf, knowing perhaps that he would either die early or just drop off the face of the earth. Now, since he's not playing really anymore, we're not going to bother with him, which means the last wolf just stays around and eventually the village just kills itself off. Like I said, pure evil.


With that in mind, is anyone else up for a triple lynch? Obviously we could put it )

I can absolutely totally guarantee, sort of, that Gil is not the last wolf, although I guess I should check my sources on that one.

[Nogrod]

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm not sure I want to tell the phantom what I was planning if he was a wolf, than he might know all the tricks in my bag and use it against me.

Tell me, or I'll always kill you first.

*chuckles*

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now what the he....?

Have you just gone totally mad all of you? Still letting that dynamic duo mess with your heads?

You know they are still alive those two? Have you ever wondered at why that is? If they were innocents they would be around here no more, Night1 *bang*, Night2 *bang* and the end of their story. I mean some wolves can be sporty right, but being sporty doesn't mean suicidal. Ergo they must be the wolves themselves. QED.

So they were excepting to get the rope from us anyDay now but somehow the seer never came forwards. And those vermins hit the seemingly correct idea last Night as they plotted: any sensible seer with that big fishes bagged (both of them that is) would have come forwards instantly. But nothing happened, no one came forwards... Now what could it be? Gil-Galad it would be.

So why hasn't Fea modfed him? Well you just don't modfire seers now do you? Hello citizens! Wake up!

Happily the chosen representatives have one more Day to chew that info.

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?

[Nogrod]

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet? You are around but you need to think don't you as to how to answer that, right?

Aren't you bit slow to be an ordo?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ok, but how do you explain morm's apparent confession?

It's his business to answer for himself.

[Gwathagor]

You were happy enough to speak for Gil. If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then I can't buy it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then it I can't buy it.

How should I know what morm is thinking? Do you know what Greenie is thinking?

Anyway this is a game modded by Fea, so everything's possible. I would be surprised if we only got what the initial rules gave us...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

No snappy and funny answer to that tp yet?

I wasn't planning on responding at all.

But if I must....

I think it would be the funniest thing ever if Gil was the Seer. But there is no way that the WWs could bank on it.

In addition, Boro, morm, and I would all have to be in on it. That would be all three Wolves. Which means that the moment you would die and be proven an Ordo, we would be discovered and surely lose.

Do you really think we'd lose purposefully?

[A Little Green]

Nog - calm down, will you? No need to get heated. Please if you think/know those two are wrong then give us some logical proof. Prove their arguments wrong and I'll be sure to reconsider. As long as your theory has flaws such as the morm thing Gwath already pointed out, I can't take it seriously.

I plan to go to sleep in an instant. So,

++ phantom for representative


EDIT: x-ed with Nog and phantom

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

How should I know what morm is thinking? Do you know what Greenie is thinking?

That's easy. Right now-
morm: I can't wait for the Utah-BYU game!
Green: Get off the computer and let me post!

EDIT: x-post, See, I was right about Green!

[the phantom]

Gwath- we still need your vote for Nerwen.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Do you really think we'd lose purposefully?

Nope.

But how do you know morm is a wolf? Are you now claiming to be the seer? Last time it was your mate in crime who said he was the seer and not you... You guys share a bit too confident a plan.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

You were happy enough to speak for Gil. If your explanation can't take into account the morm-factor, then I can't buy it.

I'm fine with dying because this lynch will buy those I work for more time, so of course I'm willing to confess. I do not know who the others are, I cannot be sure of Nogrod, all I know is that I was given a special role from Fea because she knew I would be one dreamt of and then the fun would begin....

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

[Gwathagor]

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

++Nerwen

I've been waiting to see what Nogrod would say. It proved to be unsatisfactory.

EDIT: Crossed with nogrod and morm

[Gwathagor]

This is going to be interesting.

[the phantom]

Just noticed this-

Originally Posted by Green

You're enjoying this aren't you? You pig.

Ha ha! Yes. I purposefully made you one of the ones to vote for me. Just because I knew you'd hate it.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

That's easy. Right now-
morm: I can't wait for the Utah-BYU game!
Green: Get off the computer and let me post!

Haha, but actually you are wrong since I'm at our mother's place at the moment.

That aside, Nog dear start speaking sense! No one expects you to know what morm is thinking. BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him. Besides, like phantom said, if Boro and phantom are wolves, the plan would make no sense at all unless you, too, were a wolf! The only way that theory makes even the slightest bit of sense would mean that you are a wolf too, which in turn doesn't help your personal cause at all.


EDIT: x-ed with a lot of people

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

Ha ha! Yes. I purposefully made you one of the ones to vote for me. Just because I knew you'd hate it.

I thought as much. You're evil.

I'm going to bed now. Good night.

[Boromir88]

morm's got the class to admit he's been caught in a trap...Nog will get there once his pride has fallen...ie once he's lynched. My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us.

[the phantom]

All we need now is Brin's vote for Boro and the lynch set up will be complete.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

I thought as much. You're evil.

What? No, no, we've already been through this. Boro dreamed that I was not evil.

[Boromir88]

"You can't win, Village. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."~morm

Your jedi tricks won't work on us....

something, something, something...darkside. something, something, something...complete.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him.

He was also right about The Ka, but the question is did he knew it or did he just quess it? At least he hasn't "confessed" dreaming on her... And Shasta "was right" about her but that neither proves he knew it.

But you're right in that there is something fishy in here. Happily we still have something like 30 hours to look at the possibilities.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Besides, like phantom said, if Boro and phantom are wolves, the plan would make no sense at all unless you, too, were a wolf! The only way that theory makes even the slightest bit of sense would mean that you are a wolf too, which in turn doesn't help your personal cause at all.

I'm not so keen on my personal "cause". This game has taken just a bit too much time in the middle of rushed period at work and I will kind of feel relieved when this is all over (fun as it has been to the fullest) but I'm just trying to help so that that lupine duo will not fool you completely.

And the first thing you should do is to drop that devillish plan of a double lynch immediately. You see who were the proponents of it? How come it was Boro and tp... Just lynch me first, I'm all for it. Then you can see who's the one setting others up.

I mean how come you belive these guys now without a question. If Gil is the seer - who got hurt and decided to let the village rot in their own misery without a seer - they can do absolutely what they wish with you unless someone stands up and challenges them.

Originally Posted by Boro

My advice, pay no attention to either of them, just enjoy their company while they are still with us.

You see what I mean? Do not challenge them is the message. Be lulled to the secure feeling of everything being nice and dandy... in a Fea game! Now that's a walking contradiction.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

If Gil is the seer

That's a huge if.

Do you really think Boro and I would bet so heavily on that possibility?

Then we show up to do our plan and- whoops! The Seer was somebody else. And we're toast.

You really think we'd risk that?

As soon as Brin votes for Boro your fate is sealed.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

That's a huge if.

Like that if Boro really is a seer is...

Originally Posted by tp

Do you really think Boro and I would bet so heavily on that possibility?

If you are just an ordo as you claim how come you speak of you two betting on something right there? Aren't you two following a plan you have written together? I mean this still looks fishy to me.

And not the least because meanwhile I'm also beginning to think you might just have been played the fool here tp. There should be a surprise or two in a game modded by Fea so what is it?

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

All those might explain his actions to the minutest detail - even the fact that he just caught morm by chance (or as false seers may have genuine dreams as well?) you have played along that nicely not knowing you have been fooled...

Originally Posted by tp

As soon as Brin votes for Boro your fate is sealed.

Right. I know that. I'm mainly targeting the future as you well know...

People should be more sportive by the way. This is getting a bit boring.


Btw., I'm making a prediction: believe it or not but Boro will be alive toMorrow. I know it.

Think about that.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

That aside, Nog dear start speaking sense! No one expects you to know what morm is thinking. BUT you should be sensible enough to realise that an innocent villager would have no reason to confess being a wolf, which means that he is a wolf and Boro was right about him.

I confess that I am not an 'innocent' villager but I also confess that I am not a wolf, Fea organized a special role for me one which I relished. There was a reason I was going after Boromir so loudly and vocally, I tell you all I want to be lynched, it will be quite fun to see your reactions to what will happen.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

All we need now is Brin's vote for Boro and the lynch set up will be complete.

Brinn would never turn on me.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

People should be more sportive by the way. This is getting a bit boring.

Yes being that I was part of the conversation, though not an active voter in the conversations of the 4 wolves I must say that this is what kept you alive tummy....pstt Lommy, that was a good bluff you pulled off calling Nogrod out like that when he and the others killed McCaber, you almost made me believe you weren't part of the conversation.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

If you are just an ordo as you claim how come you speak of you two betting on something right there? Aren't you two following a plan you have written together?

Pretty much. But that doesn't mean we've been PMing.

Originally Posted by Nog

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.

Originally Posted by Nog

Btw., I'm making a prediction: believe it or not but Boro will be alive toMorrow. I know it.

Now that would be quite interesting.

Originally Posted by morm

I confess that I am not an 'innocent' villager but I also confess that I am not a wolf, Fea organized a special role for me one which I relished. There was a reason I was going after Boromir so loudly and vocally, I tell you all I want to be lynched, it will be quite fun to see your reactions to what will happen.

I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I tried to read through what has happened, but I just end up confused and agitated.

If things are not as they seem. . .well I am just going to take it as it comes, I will see you sometime tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by me

Is Boro a false-seer?
Is he a cobbler-kind of figure?
Or perhaps a were-bear?

Originally Posted by the phantom

We can rule out option three, as a WereBear is a solitary creature whose own survival is paramount. He wouldn't do something nutty like claiming Seership if that was the case.

You're right, in case it's a traditional werebear that is...

Originally Posted by tp

Option two would be amusing, but we cannot assume it, especially since no one has emerged to contest his claim.

Now you're taking the easy road once more tp. Why isn't Gil modfired? Any ideas about that? If a wolf, Boro would have to take some drastic moves as he is a certain seer target - so how nice if Gil indeed is the seer and he can roam free with his "revealment"? And face it, with no seer-revealment at this point of the game one could actually bet on that. I mean it's not that huge if actually. Looking at Boro alive this late and no seer revealing makes it quite probable indeed.

Originally Posted by tp

Option one would be quite interesting, but as I know for a fact that two of his dreams were correct (Agan and I) I'm not going to assume that his Seership is false.

I kind of remember there being a false seer that had a certain percentage of the dreams right and wrong. And anyway, you can't know his dream on Agan to be a fact indeed. He might have easily fabricated the Agan stuff as her role was generally known before he "revealed"!

And with you... well how do we know what you are? So we can't just assume you're honest just like that even if you trail a "revealed" seer - and even if you were an innocent, he could have just guessed it.

Originally Posted by tp

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

Be my guest.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I suppose everyone who voted for you will die?

Well then, in that case, I will certainly be the one to vote for Nog rather than you.

Now the great part of it is this, I can sit here and tell you that you will all be shocked and that I want to be lynched and know that none of you will believe me and it will make you want to lynch me all the more but trust me, you will be shocked when you find out what happens.