6 Degrees of Separation - Page 33 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Formendacil · 09-29-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Perky Ent

An interesting point indeed. My main source of quick information in reguards to Middle Earth Fun and Games is the Encyclopedia of Arda . According to it, Tuor left c. 560. and Elrond was born c. 525. The c. makes it a grey area, but I think they would have met, although it probably wouldn't have been worth mention in the Silmarilion. Now....Theoden --> Bolg!

Well, it's not a huge point... but Elrond can still be skipped anyway.

Now, to reply:

Theoden-> Merry -> Bilbo-> Beorn-> Bolg

The Perky Ent · 09-29-2005, 02:54 PM

Indeed! Your go!

Formendacil · 09-29-2005, 03:28 PM

Okay, lemme think...

Anarion -> Hurin (of the House of Hador)

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-29-2005, 09:07 PM

Anárion -> Gil-galad -> Fingon -> Húrin

Formendacil · 09-29-2005, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Anárion -> Gil-galad -> Fingon -> Húrin

Looks quite correct, Milord Felagund.

Your move.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-29-2005, 09:23 PM

Hmmm . . .

Gamil -> Gimli

The Perky Ent · 09-29-2005, 10:00 PM

Gamli -> Telchar -> Curufin -> Feanor -> Galadriel -> Gimli

Maybe?!?

Telchar · 09-30-2005, 03:43 PM

Well the problem with this question is that there is no proved interaction (I belive) Between "Gamil Zirak and Telchar" and anybody else. Perky tries with a weapon, in this case Angrist, owned by Curufin - good thinking, but as there are no proof we might as well use another weapon an make it much shorter

Gamil Zirak - Telch - Aragorn - Gimli

The Perky Ent · 09-30-2005, 03:51 PM

*sigh*

I didn't know weapons could know people (except maybe Gurthang

)

Telchar · 10-01-2005, 12:16 AM

Then how can you connect Telchar and Curufin?

The Perky Ent · 10-01-2005, 12:14 PM

He could have....could have....presented it to him personally, I guess....

Nilpaurion Felagund · 10-02-2005, 06:34 AM

Somebody anonymously neg-repped me for my question-post. Oh well, there's no accounting for given reps.

By the way, if you plan to link using weapons, you must include the weapons themselves in your answer.

The Perky Ent · 10-02-2005, 10:08 AM

Gamil Zirak - Telch - Narsil - Aragorn - Gimli

Nilpaurion Felagund · 10-04-2005, 06:20 AM

Thine.

The Perky Ent · 10-04-2005, 09:23 PM

Deagol ---> Yavanna

Wizard rule doesn't apply. Not really hard, but I'm bored

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-05-2005, 09:19 AM

Well, then it would be:

Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Yavanna

The Perky Ent · 10-05-2005, 11:32 AM

Hmm....do we know if Gandalf is directly tied to Yavanna? If he is, can you give me a quote to it. If not, there's a direct link to her I can think of

Formendacil · 10-05-2005, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Perky Ent

Hmm....do we know if Gandalf is directly tied to Yavanna? If he is, can you give me a quote to it. If not, there's a direct link to her I can think of

They were both in the Music of the Ainur...

The Perky Ent · 10-05-2005, 12:00 PM

>.<

Ok, let me try to say this right: There is a wizard connection to Yavanna, but it's a direct connection. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean.

Telchar · 10-05-2005, 12:13 PM

Maybe you're thinking about this note from UT that proves that Olorin and Yavanna was at the same council, chosing the Heren Istarion:

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Most of the remaining writings about the Istari (as a group) are unhappily no more than very rapid jottings, often illegible. Of major interest, however, is a brief and very hasty sketch of a narrative, telling of a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwë ("and maybe he called upon Eru for counsel?"), at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth. "Who would go ? For they must be mighty, peers of Sauron, but must forgo might, and clothe themselves in flesh so as to treat on equality and win the trust of Elves and Men. But this would imperil them, dimming their wisdom and knowledge, and confusing them with fears, cares, and weariness coming from the flesh." But two only came forward: Curumo, who was chosen by Aulë, and Alatar, who was sent by Oromë. Then Manwë asked, where was Olórin ? And Olórin, who was clad in grey, and having just entered from a journey had seated himself at the edge of the council, asked what Manwë would have of him. Manwë replied that he wished Olórinto go as the third messenger to Middle-earth (and it is remarked in parentheses that "Olórinwas a lover of the Eldar that remained," apparently to explain Manwë's choice). But Olórindeclared that he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron. Then Manwë said that that was all the more reason why he should go, and that he commanded Olórin(illegible words follow that seems to contain word "third"). But at that Varda looked up and said: "Not as the third;" and Curumo remembered it.
The note ends with the statement that Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him, and that Alatar took Pallando as a friend.

The Perky Ent · 10-05-2005, 12:19 PM

Quote:

The note ends with the statement that Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him

The link I was looking for was Gandalf -> Radagast -> Yavanna. But since you've defended him with a nice big quote, It's Fordim's go

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-05-2005, 12:22 PM

Well, I still stand by my original answer.

In UT, p. 393, there is an account of "a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwe...at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth" Olorin was at the council; he was Manwe's choice but he "declared he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron". Yavanna was also at the council: "Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him."

So apparently there was at least one occasion when Olorin and Yavanna were at the same event.

But even if this won't answer, then there's always:

Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Saruman/Curumo --> Yavanna

EDIT Cross-posted with Telchar and Perky!

All right, here's mine:

Mimosa Bunce --> Tar-Minastir

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-09-2005, 01:49 PM

BUMP

C'mon guys, it isn't that hard...

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-17-2005, 09:47 AM

Hermmm....12 days with no response. If it goes a full two weeks, what then? Do I simply reveal the answer and pose another??? Would anyone like a hint???

Telchar · 10-19-2005, 07:57 AM

Mimosa Bunce --> Rosa Baggins* - Bilbo - Elrond --> Tar-Minastir

* She was only 34 older than Bilbo, and Bilbos fathers 1st cousin, so I assume they met.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 10-19-2005, 08:13 AM

Oooooo, so close and yet it could be a bit shorter at the front end, and I think it might need to be a bit longer at the back end (but I'm not sure about that one).

Fordim Hedgethistle · 11-03-2005, 08:40 AM

OK -- well as it seems I've effectively killed the thread, here's the solution:

Mimosa Bunce --> Bilbo Baggins* --> Elrond --> captain of Tar-Minastir's forces** --> Tar-Minastir

* Bilbo was 11 when Mimosa died so he must have had some contact with her

** I can't find a direct reference that Tar-Minastir went to Gil-Galad's aid himself; the accounts in the UT an the Appendix of LotR state that he "sent" an army...

Be that as it may, Telchar was so close that I shall cede the floor to him

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-05-2005, 02:20 AM

Telchar?

Firefoot · 12-16-2005, 06:02 PM

Since this thread has been so long stagnant...

Ar-Gimilzor --> Gimli

Lindolirian · 12-16-2005, 06:23 PM

Assuming Sauron is not allowed:
Ar-Gimilzor-> Ar-Pharazon-> (Elendil->) Isildur-> Elrond-> Gimli

Firefoot · 12-16-2005, 09:09 PM

Looks good!

Lindolirian · 12-20-2005, 08:13 PM

Elentirmo-> Galmod

Telchar · 12-21-2005, 04:09 AM

Elentirmo-> Aldarion > Galadriel > Grima > Galmod

Lindolirian · 12-22-2005, 03:52 PM

Aldarion knew Galadriel?

Telchar · 12-22-2005, 04:02 PM

According to UT they met close to Tharbad - At that stage of Celeborn and Galadriels life they lived en Eregion...

Lindolirian · 12-22-2005, 05:03 PM

Ah that is true... I had forgotten. Good work then! Lead on!

Telchar · 12-22-2005, 05:40 PM

Marigold ---> Ivorwen

Lindolirian · 12-24-2005, 12:02 PM

Marigold-> Sam-> Aragorn-> Gilraen-> Ivorwen
or perhaps
Marigold-> Sam-> Elrond-> Ivorwen

Telchar · 12-25-2005, 05:57 AM

Both looks good to me

Your thread...

Lindolirian · 12-27-2005, 10:58 PM

Frumgar-> Orophin
No elves.

09-29-2005, 02:54 PM	#1282
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Indeed! Your go! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-29-2005, 03:28 PM	#1283
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,326	Okay, lemme think... Anarion -> Hurin (of the House of Hador) __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

09-29-2005, 09:07 PM	#1284
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Anárion -> Gil-galad -> Fingon -> Húrin __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

09-29-2005, 09:23 PM	#1286
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Thank you, Sir Formendacil! Hmmm . . . Gamil -> Gimli __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

09-29-2005, 10:00 PM	#1287
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Gamli -> Telchar -> Curufin -> Feanor -> Galadriel -> Gimli Maybe?!? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-30-2005, 03:43 PM	#1288
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Well the problem with this question is that there is no proved interaction (I belive) Between "Gamil Zirak and Telchar" and anybody else. Perky tries with a weapon, in this case Angrist, owned by Curufin - good thinking, but as there are no proof we might as well use another weapon an make it much shorter Gamil Zirak - Telch - Aragorn - Gimli __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-30-2005, 03:51 PM	#1289
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	sigh I didn't know weapons could know people (except maybe Gurthang ) __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-01-2005, 12:16 AM	#1290
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Then how can you connect Telchar and Curufin? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-01-2005, 12:14 PM	#1291
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	He could have....could have....presented it to him personally, I guess.... __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-02-2005, 06:34 AM	#1292
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	S'funny. Somebody anonymously neg-repped me for my question-post. Oh well, there's no accounting for given reps. By the way, if you plan to link using weapons, you must include the weapons themselves in your answer. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

10-02-2005, 10:08 AM	#1293
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Gamil Zirak - Telch - Narsil - Aragorn - Gimli __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-04-2005, 06:20 AM	#1294
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Looks good. Thine. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

10-04-2005, 09:23 PM	#1295
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Deagol ---> Yavanna Wizard rule doesn't apply. Not really hard, but I'm bored __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-05-2005, 09:19 AM	#1296
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Well, then it would be: Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Yavanna __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

10-05-2005, 11:32 AM	#1297
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Hmm....do we know if Gandalf is directly tied to Yavanna? If he is, can you give me a quote to it. If not, there's a direct link to her I can think of __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-05-2005, 12:00 PM	#1299
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	>.< Ok, let me try to say this right: There is a wizard connection to Yavanna, but it's a direct connection. Hopefully you'll understand what I mean. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

10-05-2005, 12:22 PM	#1302
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Well, I still stand by my original answer. In UT, p. 393, there is an account of "a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwe...at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth" Olorin was at the council; he was Manwe's choice but he "declared he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron". Yavanna was also at the council: "Curumo [Saruman] took Aiwendil [Radagast] because Yavanna begged him." So apparently there was at least one occasion when Olorin and Yavanna were at the same event. But even if this won't answer, then there's always: Deagol --> Smeagol --> Gandalf/Olorin --> Saruman/Curumo --> Yavanna EDIT Cross-posted with Telchar and Perky! All right, here's mine: Mimosa Bunce --> Tar-Minastir __________________ Scribbling scrabbling. Last edited by Fordim Hedgethistle; 10-05-2005 at 12:28 PM.

10-09-2005, 01:49 PM	#1303
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	BUMP C'mon guys, it isn't that hard... __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

10-17-2005, 09:47 AM	#1304
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Hermmm....12 days with no response. If it goes a full two weeks, what then? Do I simply reveal the answer and pose another??? Would anyone like a hint??? __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

10-19-2005, 07:57 AM	#1305
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Mimosa Bunce --> Rosa Baggins* - Bilbo - Elrond --> Tar-Minastir * She was only 34 older than Bilbo, and Bilbos fathers 1st cousin, so I assume they met. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-19-2005, 08:13 AM	#1306
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	Oooooo, so close and yet it could be a bit shorter at the front end, and I think it might need to be a bit longer at the back end (but I'm not sure about that one). __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

11-03-2005, 08:40 AM	#1307
Fordim Hedgethistle Gibbering Gibbet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Beyond cloud nine Posts: 1,844	OK -- well as it seems I've effectively killed the thread, here's the solution: *Mimosa Bunce --> Bilbo Baggins --> Elrond --> captain of Tar-Minastir's forces --> Tar-Minastir * Bilbo was 11 when Mimosa died so he must have had some contact with her I can't find a direct reference that Tar-Minastir went to Gil-Galad's aid himself; the accounts in the UT an the Appendix of LotR state that he "sent" an army... Be that as it may, Telchar** was so close that I shall cede the floor to him __________________ Scribbling scrabbling.

12-05-2005, 02:20 AM	#1308
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	*poke* Telchar? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-16-2005, 06:02 PM	#1309
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Since this thread has been so long stagnant... Ar-Gimilzor --> Gimli

12-16-2005, 06:23 PM	#1310
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Assuming Sauron is not allowed: Ar-Gimilzor-> Ar-Pharazon-> (Elendil->) Isildur-> Elrond-> Gimli __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-16-2005, 09:09 PM	#1311
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Looks good!

12-20-2005, 08:13 PM	#1312
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Elentirmo-> Galmod __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-21-2005, 04:09 AM	#1313
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Elentirmo-> Aldarion > Galadriel > Grima > Galmod __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-22-2005, 03:52 PM	#1314
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Aldarion knew Galadriel? __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-22-2005, 04:02 PM	#1315
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	According to UT they met close to Tharbad - At that stage of Celeborn and Galadriels life they lived en Eregion... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-22-2005, 05:03 PM	#1316
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Ah that is true... I had forgotten. Good work then! Lead on! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-22-2005, 05:40 PM	#1317
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Marigold ---> Ivorwen __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-24-2005, 12:02 PM	#1318
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Marigold-> Sam-> Aragorn-> Gilraen-> Ivorwen or perhaps Marigold-> Sam-> Elrond-> Ivorwen __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

12-25-2005, 05:57 AM	#1319
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Both looks good to me Your thread... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-27-2005, 10:58 PM	#1320
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Frumgar-> Orophin No elves. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."