WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Isabellkya]

Nice of you to finally hop on the "Izzy is a Cobbler" Train Shasta.

Nice of you as well Eonwe. Both of you need to pay double for jumping on so late. Plus double that for being wrong.

No, Nerwen. Perhaps you need to go and re-read my posts.
I haven't hinted at anything.
This has been covered already.

Haha. Had to pre-emptive it eh?

Which is it Nerwen? Wolf or Cobbler. I can't be both. Unluckily for you, I am neither.

Boro - Nerwen will probably still try to "look innocent", even though she isn't.

Interesting that you "suddenly" step up your post count and involvement Nerwen.

What exactly is "the profile" of a Cobbler, Shasta? And how do I "fit it better"?

Izzy is not a Cobbler.

[Isabellkya]

ToDay, my vote will be for Nerwen or Shasta. I think.

Though Eonwe already voting for Shasta makes me pause.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Haha. Had to pre-emptive it eh?

Oh, you were going to play Seer? Ha ha yourself.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Which is it Nerwen? Wolf or Cobbler. I can't be both. Unluckily for you, I am neither.

If you're neither I should rather say, "unluckily for the village". People say you're a Cobbler because you're acting like one. They also say you might be a wolf... because that's pretty much the only other thing you could be.

Once again: it makes no sense whatever to think I'm a mutineer at this stage. Yet you're still talking of voting me!

Not the action of an innocent, Izzy.

[Nerwen]

I don't know. I suppose it's out of Eönwë and Shasta now.

So–

++ Eönwë

Of the two, he's looked worse toDay.

[Isabellkya]

And yes, this is one situation in which I feel entirely justified in suspecting anyone who suspects me of being a wolf. - Nerwen

Haha. Had to pre-emptive it eh? - Izzy

"Not the action of an innocent, Izzy."

I think I've said the same of you Nerwen.
I've even elaborated on why I don't think you've been acting like an innocent.
Yet I think it took another person, or persons of calling me a Cobbler- before you hopped on the wagon.


Yes. Wolf or Cobbler.
It really does depend on what post is being read of yours.

How am I acting like a Cobbler?

[Isabellkya]

How is it out of Eonwe and Shasta?

Only one person had made their vote.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Eonwe

For reasons previously stated.

[Isabellkya]

Feel free to answer the questions before deadline Shasta.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If you're talking about the "profile of a Cobbler" question, Izzy, it's because you've repeatedly ignored Greenie's Seer claim and tried to paint Nerwen as a mutineer, without giving a single good reason why Greenie's claim is false.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

"Not the action of an innocent, Izzy."

I think I've said the same of you Nerwen.
I've even elaborated on why I don't think you've been acting like an innocent.
Yet I think it took another person, or persons of calling me a Cobbler- before you hopped on the wagon

I've been saying you were evil for Days. I don't know if I was the first (I think that was Rikae) but I don't see that as relevant. Nobody could act as you have and fail to be suspected. How could you expect otherwise?

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Yes. Wolf or Cobbler.
It really does depend on what post is being read of yours. ;

No. Mostly I think you're a cobbler, but now and then I have a nasty moment of doubt where I think, "Surely a real cobbler wouldn't be so blatant?"

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

How am I acting like a Cobbler?

I've already given the number one reason. More than once, I believe. It doesn't matter whether you think I'm "acting like an innocent". You cannot logically think it likely I'm a mutineer, and that's what matters now.

EDIT: X'd with Shasta and Izzy (2 of each).

[Isabellkya]

Profile.. implies a text-book definition.

Is that your textbook definition? xD

Oh, I've covered this topic already. I believe it was perhaps my first post after Greenie claimed Seer.

What adds to not believing the claim, is Nerwen's behavior. Which I've also covered in previous posts.

I also don't believe I've done it repeatedly. I think.. twice, maybe three times.


X'd with Nerwen.

[Isabellkya]

You cannot logically think it likely I'm a mutineer, and that's what matters now.

Why not?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Why not?

Why did the real Seer not dream me? Why has he or she still not come forward?

...Why am I even bothering to argue with you?

[Isabellkya]

Have you forgotten about those... modkilled already?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Have you forgotten about those... modkilled already?

So... your whole theory is based on the Seer being Wilwa? And on Wilwa keeping silent even when she dropped out of the game... knowing that she could be dooming the village?

[Isabellkya]

Hahaha. Not at all.

++Shasta

[Brinniel]

Do you guys need extra time? I can extend the deadline a bit since I started the Day late. Though I don't think I can extend it anymore than an hour as I do want to go to bed soon.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Do you guys need extra time? I can extend the deadline a bit since I started the Day late. Though I don't think I can extend it anymore than an hour as I do want to go to bed soon.

Please. Gwath hasn't voted yet.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm fine with ending now, but I'm probably biased.

[Nerwen]

*sigh* I've made a tactical error here: I should have held my vote until Izzy had voted. Now if I retract and vote Eönwë again, she can do the same with Shasta. I was too afraid of my connection going out- it's been horrible lately.

Oh well. For all I know, it is Shasta– in which case the joke's on Izzy.

EDIT: Sorry, it's the first to reach the tie that dies. I could have sworn it was the other way around when I checked it ten minutes ago. Odd.

[Isabellkya]

How is the joke on me now?

I think Shasta pretty much admitted to something there. You admitting to something as well?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

How is the joke on me now?

I meant if you lynched Shasta and he was a wolf, obviously.

[Isabellkya]

Yes. But I'm not a Cobbler.

The only way the joke could be on me.. is if I was the only innocent left.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Yes. But I'm not a Cobbler.

The only way the joke could be on me.. is if I was the only innocent left.

If you're innocent, my dear, the joke is on all of us.

[Isabellkya]

Just think about it.
Five people left. Probably one cobbler and one wolf left.

People have been saying (even writing me off as one,)I am a Cobbler for Days. With probability of being a wolf.

So why would I continue denying?
If I were a Cobbler, I would either admit it - or actually try to get lynched.

[Nerwen]

While we're here... Izzy, what is your theory, since it's "not at all" what I outlined?

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Isabellkya]

Oh, I think the joke is on all of us.

Beside the point, was there any inclination that Gwath was coming back?


X'd with Nerwen.

[Gwathagor]

Izzy, I was gone for a couple of days, so would you mind summarizing what you think is wrong with Nerwen? I'm really having a hard time seeing how you can seem to be so suspicious of her. Obviously we can't totally assume that anyone is either innocent or guilty, but if we have a good idea about anybody's role, it's Nerwen's I think. And how has her behavior seemed suspicious?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Just think about it.
Five people left. Probably one cobbler and one wolf left.

People have been saying (even writing me off as one,)I am a Cobbler for Days. With probability of being a wolf.

So why would I continue denying?
If I were a Cobbler, I would either admit it - or actually try to get lynched.

So you're saying you're a wolf, then?

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

So you're saying you're a wolf, then?

I don't know what she's doing, but it doesn't make any sense.

[Isabellkya]

I'm not a Cobbler, or a Wolf. Nor am I gifted.

Now, what does that leave?

Cannon Fodder of the Ordo kind. xD


Gwath.
I think Nerwen is suspicious because of her behavior.
People seemed to believe Greenie's claim of seership. By believing that, they believe Nerwen is an innocentordo, or a Cobbler.

Yet no one seemed to really factor in that she could be a Cobbler, until later Days.

As I said before. I've seen her where she was a known innocent, and she behaved drastically different then, as opposed to now. Yes, you could say that is metagaming, styles change... yadda yadda.

However, she wasn't even trying to act like a "known" innocent, which most seemed to write her off as. She wasn't giving reasons with her votes, or suspicions - if at all. She followed others a lot.

If you are in that position of being a "known" innocent, then it can be all too easy for others to follow you. Yet she wasn't watching herself. So her flimsy reasons on voting for people and suspicions, became even more flimsy when/if someone followed her with them.


X'd with Gwath.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I don't know what she's doing, but it doesn't make any sense.

It does if she's a cobbler and, in her own words, "actually trying to get lynched" now.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Isabellkya]

Cannon Fodder Ordo's don't have to make sense.
I just am.



X'd with Nerwen.

[Isabellkya]

Nope, not trying to get lynched.

[Gwathagor]

Huh. This is looking more and more like one of those innocent vs. innocent brawls where the village always loses. Nogrod and I have had several of those. That would leave Eonwe and Shasta - but Eonwe's trying to get Shasta killed, so if either one of them is a mutineer, it's probably Eonwe.

[Isabellkya]

Would it not be funny if Gwath is a Mutineer?

[Gwathagor]

I don't know about "funny," per se.

[Isabellkya]

Shasta is also trying to get Eonwe killed....


X'd with Gwath.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Izzy, yes, it's possible on an outside chance that Nerwen's a cobbler, but frankly there are several better candidates for Cobblership, which is why no one's given that possibility much thought.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

People seemed to believe Greenie's claim of seership. By believing that, they believe Nerwen is an innocentordo, or a Cobbler.

No, Izzy, you can't just say that. You have to come up with a theory that plausibly accounts for the lack of counter-reveals. I've asked you for it already.

What is it?

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

However, she wasn't even trying to act like a "known" innocent, which most seemed to write her off as. She wasn't giving reasons with her votes, or suspicions - if at all. She followed others a lot.

My schedule most Days has forced me to leave early and then return an hour before DL. Therefore I've often had to make snap decisions. That's all.

Besides, what happened to your repeated claim that I was trying to look innocent?

You see? You can't even get your own story straight.

EDIT: X'd since my last post.