Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[the phantom]

Hey, I just noticed that Mith's sig is about me.

[Boromir88]

Nog's I'm not sure about, it comes out of the blue, but I'm not really sure what he's trying to accomplish in attempting to lynch you.

Sally and Ka were the other choices, and either one of them was a wolf, and Nogrod was "saving" one of them, it doesn't make sense. I don't see what would give Nogrod the impression that either would be in trouble (if he was trying to save one of them). It's one of those votes though that can cause a bandwagon/pick up steam, if you know what I mean.

Although Shasta had the chance to lynch you, I wouldn't take that to mean anything much. If he's a wolf he could simply want the Boro/phantom comedy hour to continue, but when making the vote he definitely was thinking he was saving you. I don't think that vote really says much.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Woah there, Shasta! What are you upset about?

You voted for KA, and Boro voted for KA. Did you not want to see KA lynched despite your vote or something?

That said, I'm wondering if your vote makes you look more innocent in my eyes.

You had a golden opportunity to try and get me killed, and no one could have blamed you for it given the personal history and the fact that much of the village was leaning my direction already.

But you passed it up.

I'm very pleased about it, but I didn't expect it at all. I'm shocked.

Mostly that I wanted to shock everyone by being the one to save you (not that that's why I voted... ), but Boro messed it up by saving you two seconds before I could.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

but when making the vote he definitely was thinking he was saving you.

Are you sure, Boro? Perhaps you should go look back at a couple of my posts.

Edit: Drat. Messed up a tag.

[the phantom]

But Shasta did save me, didn't he? I mean, if he had voted for me rather than for KA, wouldn't I still be on the chopping block?

[Boromir88]

But Shasta did save me, didn't he? I mean, if he had voted for me rather than for KA, wouldn't I still be on the chopping block?~tp

Yes and it would have been up to morm then.

But I bet Shasta really grinded his teeth while he was typing out his vote.

[Boromir88]

Hmm...maybe Nogrod was counting on Shasta and/or morm to vote for you? He knew I wasn't going to, but if either Shasta or morm did, than the other one would have to vote to save you.

[the phantom]

All right, Boro, I see your vote analysis. So for the most part you think their votes can't help determine where they stand?

Personally, I'm inclined to think that Nog's 180 was an Ordo trying to accomplish something or other (I'm not sure what at this point). Would a WolfNog be that risky?

Shasta's vote makes me trust him, because he passed up something that no one would suspect him for. And yet I suspect him at the same time, because he played the hero and saved an innocent. Makes him look pretty good.

But of course it's silly to suspect someone for not voting for me. If that was the case then I'd suspect a whole lot of people.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Don't forget, however, that Boro's vote was more powerful than mine. Had I voted you, Phantom, Boro's vote for Ka would have overridden it... but then had Morm voted you, you'd be dead.

This is probably my last post of the night. I shall have sweet dreams, for this is the second-to-last rehearsal!

[Boromir88]

And now I'll make my vow to be a distraction for one more day only...well technically it's two, but you get it. But if all is going good right now, I should only be playing mind games with the wolves, and making them debate...

Do we kill Boro? He's catching on to us, but if we kill him we're dead? And if we kill him we're giving up another dream for the seer? But Boro knows too much...he's got to be the seer? If we let him live he's just going to be a pain in the arse, he's not going to shut up. Hey, maybe we can use that - because he's got to be a pain to everyone else too - we could get him lynched, people just want him to shut up. But when he dies we're toast too? We should just let him be a lhunatic, he can rave all he wants, they won't listen to him. But he just said he's only going to be crazy for one more day - what do we do with him after that?

Sorry, pay no attention to my own musings.

[Boromir88]

Had I voted you, Phantom, Boro's vote for Ka would have overridden it... but then had Morm voted you, you'd be dead.~Shasta

But that would have given tp the 6-5 lead. As my vote made it 5-4 in favor of the Ka...wait would it really be in favor of...it doesn't seem like that's something the Ka would favor? If you're vote came in 2 seconds before mine you would have tied it 4-4. But still you'd be saving him, because there would only be morm and myself left to vote, I would not have voted for tp, and morm's vote wouldn't have mattered. If you voted for tp, morm's vote would have been the crucial one.

[the phantom]

Werewolf 1: So, think they'll lynch Phantom?
Werewolf 2: Maybe, but we can't count on it. He needs to go.
Werewolf 3: But he's just an Ordo.
Werewolf 4: You don't know that. He's bold enough to pull this sort of thing.
Werewolf 1: Look, instead of debating him every Night, how about we do it.
Werewolf 2: But he'll laugh after the game if he's an Ordo.
Werewolf 3: Can we please stop being so Phantom-centered?! Day was bad enough.
Werewolf 4: You guys decide. I'm through having this conversation.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I totally went with a limerick for this narration...

I love when you guys finish all the important stuff early.

Means rather than having to spontaneously compose just after deadline, I can take my time on it and have fun before falling asleep...

[Boromir88]

All right, Boro, I see your vote analysis. So for the most part you think their votes can't help determine where they stand?~the phantom

Well, I'm inclined to believe Shasta's innocent, but not because of the vote. I simply mean if Shasta's a wolf, he might want to keep both of us still alive. As long as we stay the focus, we continue to make some poor lynching choices. I had no other reason to vote for Ka other than, I think you look more innocent than her.

I can't speak for Shasta, I guess you two have some nice history too...but I see what you're saying, if he was a wolf he had a chance to simply lynch you and say well it doesn't mean anything...they have a history. I really don't even know why people think Shasta would make a spite vote, he's had a chance to get back me now two villages after the stunt I pulled on him, and he hasn't. Just waiting for the right time eh Shasta?

When really all it is, is just a good WW story to talk about - kind of like a rivalry game in football you know. The players will act tough and talk big, but really they just go out, do their job and then go party somewhere. It's the fans you have to watch out for, they're nuts.

[Boromir88]

Should I raise the halt sign tp...I mean look, right now we're communicating right out in the open?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

Should I raise the halt sign tp...I mean look, right now we're communicating right out in the open?

Ha ha!

Nah. I can't help but be a bit yappy. I'm so pleased and surprised that I survived the Day after the way it started.

And I'm pleased that we have made things easier on our dear Moddess.

[Boromir88]

I really do enjoy these lame duck periods. And a random thing I just noticed...Fea is numero eight-o in posts...hmm

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eight is, of course, a significant symbolic number in this game...

[Boromir88]

Fea, I love the fact that that's probably a hint, but no one will bother trying to figure it out because it would be absolutely impossible.

8...there's the meaning of life right there, that holds the key, the key to unlocking the mystery, the reason for life...oh wait maybe I'm thinking of 42?

[Gwathagor]

I was busy the entire day, but I'm here now.

I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA? I suppose I always feel uncomfortable voting for submarines because there is so little substance on which to assess them - and I always have an especially hard time discerning between quiet wolves and quiet ordos.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Fea, I love the fact that that's probably a hint, but no one will bother trying to figure it out because it would be absolutely impossible.

Nah. Eight was just something I made up. I dropped all the hints much earlier in the game, but nobody paid attention.

[the phantom]

Actually, Boro, never mind about sticking around to yap. I have to leave the house and won't be back till well after the deadline.

Good luck people.

[Nerwen]

I have just finished reading... no idea what to think really. I believe The Ka has just got the chop. Let's hope she was a wolf– but I fear the worst. We haven't had much luck with semi-random voting. I hadn't thought about her much myself.

Some comments on people:

the phantom –I know you've explained your reasoning over and over, but when it comes down to it, you know people aren't going to like being asked to take things on faith, so why expect them to do so?

morm –Looks less wolfish to me lately, but that may be because he's no longer going after me. He stresses this to Lommy, but that's actually quite irrelevent– until he got distracted by Boro he most certainly was making a case against me, and a highly specious one at that.

Boro – *shrugs* much of what he says seems reasonable... and I'm grateful for the defense... but I don't find myself willing to trust him.

Rune – Need to have better look at him. At the moment I find myself flip-flopping.

Nogrod –you know why I said we should look at the McCaber kill, and then didn't say what I thought it might mean? I wanted to see if anyone else would independently think it pointed to him. That's a very trivial thing indeed, mind you.

Shasta –random thought here: it would probably amuse the heck out of Fea to make Shasta a wolf with the phantom and/or Boro.

Finally, what does the Olympian amusement of our mod-goddesses portend? Can it be that we've been watching a brawl between innocents, and the real wolves are... I don't know... Lommy? Gil? Kath? Brinniel?

EDIT: X'd since Shasta at #1163.

[Boromir88]

Fea, your attempt to send me on a wild goose chase for your secret hints is not going to work. You'll have to do better than that.

[mormegil]

So I just got home, well not home per se. We are staying at a guest house while our floors are done. I finally was able to get internet access and I'm just catching up but from what I've skimmed I see that THE Ka will be sent to the gallows today. This is rather surprising and I wonder where it came from. I know Lommy had mused about it on and off and she started the vote but then for Boro and Shasta to jump on quickly seems odd to me. There was really not substance given for her vote, unless I am missing something.

Anyway, nice use of the fillibuster there Boro

Being that my vote is more or less irrelevant, I am going to vote with my gut...

++Lynch Boro

[mormegil]

I have edited a post by Shasta and Nerwen for language...let it be noted and reminded to keep all language family friendly as is downs policy...please make my job easier.

[Boromir88]

Finally, what does the Olympian amusement of our mod-goddesses portend? Can it be that we've been watching a brawl between innocents, and the real wolves are... I don't know... Lommy? Gil? Kath? Brinniel?~Nerwen

Or all the battling is between the wolf pack vs. a couple innocents. Or even better, there are wolves on both sides just having a blast battling eachother. I think that would amuse the modgodesses more

Nope no reasoning from me morm, I said it the only reason I voted for the Ka is because I think the phantom is more innocent.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Fea, your attempt to send me on a wild goose chase for your secret hints is not going to work. You'll have to do better than that.

Okay, it was on Day One when I thought it would be fun for everybody to compile shortlists, followed by on Day Whatever when you hypothetically asked me what I'd hypothetically say if a seer hypothetically asked me what my role was, and I made a specifically worded response.

Any geese gonna take me up?

*amused*

[Nerwen]

Okay, sorry. I forgot how strict the policy is here.

EDIT: X'd with Boro and Fea.

[Boromir88]

Alright so the wolves really do have to let me live tomorrow just so I can reach 4,000 posts in this thread. I would absolutely love that.

[Brinniel]

Bah, you guys vote too early. I come back only to find random chatter. So much for making a contribution.

[Boromir88]

Oh no go ahead Brinn, I'm still willing to seriously hold a conversation. The down-time is really just quite nice.

Any geese gonna take me up?~Fea

Not this one.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nope no reasoning from me morm, I said it the only reason I voted for the Ka is because I think the phantom is more innocent.

Wouldn't you have been better off, mister wielder of 3 votes, to go with the person you suspected the most...wouldnt' they have been in the lead? Or did tummy already have 4? Like I said I'm not fully caught up on what happened for the last few hours.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Okay, it was on Day One when I thought it would be fun for everybody to compile shortlists, followed by on Day Whatever when you hypothetically asked me what I'd hypothetically say if a seer hypothetically asked me what my role was, and I made a specifically worded response.

Any geese gonna take me up?

*amused*

The exchange in question is this:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Fea, aren't you dead?

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Only on the inside, darling...

Originally Posted by Boromir88

In that case...hypothetically speaking, if I was the seer and I hypothetically dreamed of you what would you send back in response?

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

"To my dear and respected Seer: I am the Puppet-Master and you are merely a hand-painted marionette."

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sigh.

It's like flirting with a brick wall.

[Boromir88]

It was

tp - 4
The Ka - 2
Sally - 2

Shasta and I cross-voted both for the Ka. We both assumed we would be putting the Ka ahead/tied with tp.

So, if you're trying to apply suspicion because I didn't end up voting for you, it's not going to work, and you should stop now. There was no point, at the time I really didn't know what Shasta was going to do, you certainly weren't going to vote for yourself. I got back from the school, looked at the votes, and decided to go with option 2.

[Boromir88]

It's like flirting with a brick wall.

Hey brick walls can be pretty attractive...because you can put posters on brick walls.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And now I'm just gonna remind everybody that I mod much the same way I play-

-and I've got some dishes to go do.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It was

tp - 4
The Ka - 2
Sally - 2

Shasta and I cross-voted both for the Ka. We both assumed we would be putting the Ka ahead/tied with tp.

So, if you're trying to apply suspicion because I didn't end up voting for you, it's not going to work, and you should stop now. There was no point, at the time I really didn't know what Shasta was going to do, you certainly weren't going to vote for yourself. I got back from the school, looked at the votes, and decided to go with option 2.

Yikes! Testy are we? I was merely trying to make sense of it. You really should calm down Boro, it doesn't lend it self well to believing you innocent.

I find the Ka vote odd and I'm trying to make sense of it. I'm glad to have to totals clarified and it makes more sense now.

[Boromir88]

Not testy, I answered your question. You asked why I didn't go with who I was most suspicious of... and I said there was no point. I just hope they (meaning innocents) will look at it tomorrow and see who's been doing the poking and trying to continue the foray after you said you were calming down and backing away.