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Eowyn of Ithilien · 01-29-2002, 02:41 AM

do not go to the elves for advice for they will say both yes and no??? *the book's downstairs* Frodo to Haldir in Fellowship

Voronwe · 01-29-2002, 03:02 AM

Correct. Your turn.

-Voronwë

Eowyn of Ithilien · 01-29-2002, 04:01 AM

this isn't technically a "mistranslation" coz I didn't translate anything...so if it doesn't count then someone else can go [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
the dog that barks may prove a friend

HerenIstarion · 02-01-2002, 10:51 AM

that must be something about Aragorn in Bree

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-01-2002, 04:46 PM

certainly something to do with Aragorn...

HerenIstarion · 02-02-2002, 10:30 AM

uh huh
wild guess - all that is gold does not glitter?

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-02-2002, 04:20 PM

mmhmm [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 02-03-2002, 12:52 PM

well, something about foul looks and fair behavior?

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-03-2002, 02:54 PM

lol sorry, "mmhmm" meant "yes, you're right...plz continue"
[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 02-04-2002, 10:03 AM

heh [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

ok, next one

come on, you brute! come on, I’ll pay the debts for my friend. Then we will go on, but first I’ll pay my debt to you! come here, and Ill entertain you with this again!

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-05-2002, 05:43 AM

it's Sam in Moria when his blood's up after Frodo's been attacked

HerenIstarion · 02-07-2002, 03:23 AM

aye, correct.

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-08-2002, 06:49 AM

when I'm "home" I'm no longer awake; no longer truly alive; but simply in a kind of stupor

KayQy · 02-08-2002, 01:34 PM

Is that the next quote or a comment on your current mental state?

Assuming it's the first, I'm going to day it sounds like Frodo to Sam, either on the way to Mount Doom with the Ring taking more control, or after they go back to the Shire. I'm probably completely wrong, but I hope not. I need to redeem myself! I can't believe I forgot about a thread for nearly a year! (and if anyone's still curious, the original of that quote I put on page 2 is Pip saying to Merry, "It's coming out in a minute," when Frodo's about to spill the beans)

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-08-2002, 03:17 PM

lol that was my mistranslation...and no, not Frodo to Sam

HerenIstarion · 02-09-2002, 03:39 AM

maybe Bilbo to Gandalf? this one:

Quote:

Why, I feel all thin, sort of stretched, if you know what I mean: like butter that has been scraped over too much bread. That can’t be right. I need a change, or something

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-09-2002, 06:04 AM

no [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] should I give a hint???

KayQy · 02-09-2002, 10:18 AM

pretty please

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-09-2002, 03:45 PM

this is the way I feel about what Frodo says at one point, and I guess kinda my interpretation...maybe if you ignore the last part (the stupor part)it'll be easier

Joy · 02-10-2002, 12:37 AM

Is it Bilbo to Frodo at Rivendell?

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-10-2002, 05:23 AM

Frodo says it in ROTK-come on guys [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

KayQy · 02-11-2002, 01:10 PM

"Not to me," said Frodo. "To me it feels like falling asleep again."

No wonder I didn't get it earlier, he's replying to Merry, not Sam.

Eowyn of Ithilien · 02-14-2002, 04:50 AM

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] your turn

KayQy · 02-14-2002, 06:18 PM

Time to redeem myself...

Quote:

Here mallorn a page of the dream is and and has inner the crumb small and more crumb in the gram.

Joy · 02-14-2002, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Here mallorn a page of the dream is and and has inner the crumb small and more crumb in the gram.

I don't know if I have to put the direct quote or not, but here's my guess about the quote. It is speaking of Sam and the gift " of RotK. He had planted a garden all across the Shire and put the dust of Lorien over it. In the place of Bilbo's Party grew a Mallorn Tree.

KayQy · 02-16-2002, 05:24 PM

Good guess, but nope.

HerenIstarion · 02-17-2002, 04:41 AM

maybe it's a description of Galadriel's and Celeborn's palace?

Quote:

Upon it, as a double crown, grew two circles of trees: the outer had bark of snowy white, and were leafless but beautiful in their shapely nakedness; the inner were mallorn-trees of great height, still arrayed in pale gold

KayQy · 02-17-2002, 06:55 AM

A bit closer, but still no.

'Dream' should be capitalized, if that helps any.

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-17-2002, 07:56 AM

It's Aragorn to Legolas and Gimli when they find the traces of Pippin and Merry eating lembas near the eaves of Fangorn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
(It was the word crumb that gave it away, although where the word gram comes from in that quote, I have no idea.)

[ February 17, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

KayQy · 02-18-2002, 07:47 AM

That's it! I don't know how grass got turned to gram either, but it makes it sound like something fattening! (Knew there had to be a catch to lembas...) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Have at it, I'm going to disappear for a while into schoolwork... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-18-2002, 12:42 PM

Quote:

You deform in the following mark, and then do not be they of another attack.

Joy · 02-19-2002, 10:00 PM

Gandalf to Frodo talking about the Morgul blade trying to pierce his heart. He said that

Quote:

If they succeded, you would have become like they are, only weaker and under their command. You would have become a wraith under the dominion of the Dark Lord...

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-19-2002, 10:39 PM

Nope!
Only thing I will say is that it was English to German to French and back again to English. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 02-20-2002, 01:58 AM

may it be description of 3 hobbits' jorney through the Shire?

Quote:

Yet since that far cry they had seen and heard no sign that the enemy had marked their flight or followed them

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-20-2002, 10:38 AM

Still no! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
(This is one of my favorite quotes, by the way!) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

Lindolirian · 02-20-2002, 07:42 PM

Bruce! Dude, you are crazy!! English to German to French back to English??? aaaahhhhh!!! ithink i'm gonna go hide in hole. Its too much for me.

HerenIstarion · 02-21-2002, 10:44 AM

well. may that be Beregond to Pippin on the walls of Minath-Tirith looking down at Nazgul and Faramir's troop?:

Quote:

? See how they wheel and swoop, always down to that point over there!

"point over there" would be "following mark, "amd swooping - "another attack". But I can't make out "be no they of".

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-21-2002, 12:18 PM

It might be helpful if I expanded the quote a bit and also quoted the next sentence.

Quote:

You deform in the following mark, and then do not be they of another attack. You are now calm!

There, maybe that will help someone.

Mat_Heathertoes · 02-21-2002, 05:09 PM

Gah! - The answer was there all the time ..

Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!

Too simple for a learned lore-master in these suspicious days .....

[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 02-21-2002, 10:53 PM

Heh heh - I said all along that it was one of my favorite quotes! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
Very well done, Mr. Heathertoes! You are correct, as usual. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

01-29-2002, 02:41 AM	#81
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	do not go to the elves for advice for they will say both yes and no??? the book's downstairs Frodo to Haldir in Fellowship __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

01-29-2002, 03:02 AM	#82
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Correct. Your turn. -Voronwë __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

01-29-2002, 04:01 AM	#83
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	this isn't technically a "mistranslation" coz I didn't translate anything...so if it doesn't count then someone else can go [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] the dog that barks may prove a friend __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-01-2002, 10:51 AM	#84
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	that must be something about Aragorn in Bree __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

02-01-2002, 04:46 PM	#85
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	certainly something to do with Aragorn... __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-02-2002, 10:30 AM	#86
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	uh huh wild guess - all that is gold does not glitter? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

02-02-2002, 04:20 PM	#87
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	mmhmm [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-03-2002, 12:52 PM	#88
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	well, something about foul looks and fair behavior? __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

02-03-2002, 02:54 PM	#89
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	lol sorry, "mmhmm" meant "yes, you're right...plz continue" [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-04-2002, 10:03 AM	#90
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	heh [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ok, next one come on, you brute! come on, I’ll pay the debts for my friend. Then we will go on, but first I’ll pay my debt to you! come here, and Ill entertain you with this again! __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

02-05-2002, 05:43 AM	#91
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	it's Sam in Moria when his blood's up after Frodo's been attacked __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-07-2002, 03:23 AM	#92
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	aye, correct. __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

02-08-2002, 06:49 AM	#93
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	when I'm "home" I'm no longer awake; no longer truly alive; but simply in a kind of stupor __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-08-2002, 01:34 PM	#94
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	Is that the next quote or a comment on your current mental state? Assuming it's the first, I'm going to day it sounds like Frodo to Sam, either on the way to Mount Doom with the Ring taking more control, or after they go back to the Shire. I'm probably completely wrong, but I hope not. I need to redeem myself! I can't believe I forgot about a thread for nearly a year! (and if anyone's still curious, the original of that quote I put on page 2 is Pip saying to Merry, "It's coming out in a minute," when Frodo's about to spill the beans) __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-08-2002, 03:17 PM	#95
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	lol that was my mistranslation...and no, not Frodo to Sam __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-09-2002, 06:04 AM	#97
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	no [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] should I give a hint??? __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-09-2002, 10:18 AM	#98
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	pretty please __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-09-2002, 03:45 PM	#99
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	this is the way I feel about what Frodo says at one point, and I guess kinda my interpretation...maybe if you ignore the last part (the stupor part)it'll be easier __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-10-2002, 12:37 AM	#100
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Is it Bilbo to Frodo at Rivendell? __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

02-10-2002, 05:23 AM	#101
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	Frodo says it in ROTK-come on guys [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-11-2002, 01:10 PM	#102
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	"Not to me," said Frodo. "To me it feels like falling asleep again." No wonder I didn't get it earlier, he's replying to Merry, not Sam. __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-14-2002, 04:50 AM	#103
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] your turn __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

02-16-2002, 05:24 PM	#106
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	Good guess, but nope. __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-17-2002, 06:55 AM	#108
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	A bit closer, but still no. 'Dream' should be capitalized, if that helps any. __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-17-2002, 07:56 AM	#109
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	It's Aragorn to Legolas and Gimli when they find the traces of Pippin and Merry eating lembas near the eaves of Fangorn. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (It was the word crumb that gave it away, although where the word gram comes from in that quote, I have no idea.) [ February 17, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-18-2002, 07:47 AM	#110
KayQy Wight Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Currently Spain Posts: 250	That's it! I don't know how grass got turned to gram either, but it makes it sound like something fattening! (Knew there had to be a catch to lembas...) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Have at it, I'm going to disappear for a while into schoolwork... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ Do you really want to know / Or are you a little scared, Afraid that God is not exactly what you'd have Him be? --OC Supertones, "Wilderness" "Good sense about trivialities is better than nonsense about things that matter." -- Max Beerbohm

02-19-2002, 10:39 PM	#113
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Nope! Only thing I will say is that it was English to German to French and back again to English. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-20-2002, 10:38 AM	#115
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Still no! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (This is one of my favorite quotes, by the way!) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

02-20-2002, 07:42 PM	#116
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Bruce! Dude, you are crazy!! English to German to French back to English??? aaaahhhhh!!! ithink i'm gonna go hide in hole. Its too much for me. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

02-21-2002, 05:09 PM	#119
Mat_Heathertoes Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: A Broom cupboard in Utumno Posts: 185	Gah! - The answer was there all the time .. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet! Too simple for a learned lore-master in these suspicious days ..... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ Give me fish now, and keep nassty chips!

02-21-2002, 10:53 PM	#120
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Heh heh - I said all along that it was one of my favorite quotes! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Very well done, Mr. Heathertoes! You are correct, as usual. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'