Family Tree Trivia - Page 3 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

nobody · 01-01-2004, 04:03 PM

Dior?

symestreem · 01-01-2004, 05:23 PM

Oops, sorry, meant paternal grandmother. Sorry, Nobody.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 01-01-2004, 05:49 PM

Got it! Maeglin, right?

symestreem · 01-01-2004, 09:32 PM

Yes, Luthien_Tinuviel, it is Maeglor. Your turn.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 01-02-2004, 04:28 PM

Okay, how about Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's sister's great-grandson (it's actually not that hard).

Carlas · 01-02-2004, 07:15 PM

Would that be Pippin...or am i not thinking straight?

Lord of Angmar · 01-02-2004, 09:13 PM

Close, Carlas. That would work if it was Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's wife's great-grandson. I believe (though I am not quite sure I remember) that the answer you are looking for is good ol' Fredegar "Fatty" Bolger, the Hobbit Left Behind.

Carlas · 01-02-2004, 10:43 PM

Oh, right! Well missed that one, but all the grand-these and grand-thats can be quite confusing. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Lord of Angmar · 01-02-2004, 11:40 PM

Indeed they can! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] I can usually make no sense of the long Hobbit family trees in the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings, at least not without my reading glasses and more than a few minutes to spare.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 01-04-2004, 04:22 PM

Ah, the good old hobbit family trees. Maybe it is harder than I thought.... I used an internet resource, and didn't realize that the needed info is probably on two separate trees. So, I'll give a hint, which is the fact that the paternal great-grandfather is Hildigrim Took, and the sister I'm looking for is Mirabella Took. You may need to use both the Took and Brandybuck trees. No one has it yet.

Evisse the Blue · 01-04-2004, 04:41 PM

It's Merry!

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 01-05-2004, 05:23 AM

Right you are, Evisse. It's a little known fact that Merry and Pippin were third cousins as well as first cousins (on different sides of their families, of course).

Evisse the Blue · 01-09-2004, 09:02 AM

What is Elfwine to Morwen?

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-09-2004, 09:16 AM

I suppose and hope you mean Morwen of Lossarnach, if not this will become really embarrassing. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
So here we go:
Morwen's daughter (together with Thengel) was Théodwyn, whose son (together with Éomund) was Éomer. Finally, Elfwine was Éomer's son, which makes Morwen the great-grandmother of Elfwine.
Greetings,
EfR

Evisse the Blue · 01-12-2004, 12:59 AM

You're correct, as you undoubtedly know! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-12-2004, 04:02 AM

Okay here we go:
What was Elentir to Elendil?
Greetings,
EfR

NightKnight · 01-12-2004, 10:52 AM

Elentir was Elendil's uncle.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-12-2004, 11:43 AM

This is correct. Please proceed NightKnight.
Greetings,
EfR

NightKnight · 01-16-2004, 03:16 PM

What was Thorin Oakenshield to Borin?

Firefoot · 01-16-2004, 05:05 PM

Thorin was Borin's great-great-nephew.

NightKnight · 01-17-2004, 08:28 AM

He was indeed. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Firefoot · 01-17-2004, 09:11 AM

Thank you.

How were Merry and Frodo related?

symestreem · 01-17-2004, 02:05 PM

Merry's grandfather Rorimac was Frodo's uncle, because he was Frodo's mother Primula's brother. I think this would make Frodo Merry's first cousin, once removed.

Firefoot · 01-17-2004, 03:29 PM

That's half of it. They're related in two ways.

symestreem · 01-17-2004, 03:48 PM

Hmm... Frodo's great-uncle is Merry's great-grandfather? That would make them... I have no idea.

Firefoot · 01-21-2004, 05:39 PM

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, symestreem... I didn't realize that you had posted. Hmm, I'm not sure what that would make them. I didn't see that one. That relation also affects the other one I was looking at and makes them even more closely related than I thought. I was going back to Balbo and Berylla Baggins which would make them third cousins once removed but that changes it...I don't know how. So you can go ahead and ask the next question.

symestreem · 01-21-2004, 06:25 PM

Please detail the relationship between Ar-Pharazon and his wife.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-21-2004, 06:51 PM

Ar-Pharazon's wife was Tar-Miriel (Ar-Zimraphel). She was born the daughter of king Tar-Palantir.
Ar-Pharazon was Tar-Palantir's nephew, being the son of his brother Gimilzhad.
Ar-Pharazon usurps the throne of Numenor by marrying his (first) cousin.

symestreem · 01-22-2004, 04:22 PM

Yes.

Elrond of Rivendell · 01-22-2004, 04:57 PM

Name at least 5 (first cousins) of Bilbo Baggins!

EfR

Ruitha · 01-30-2004, 11:32 AM

Um, right, uh...
Sigismond, Flambard, Adalgrim, Fortinbras II, Otho Sackville-Baggins, Odo Proudfoot, Falco Chubb-Baggins...?

luthien-elvenprincess · 02-06-2004, 09:48 PM

Five of Frodo's first cousins:
Milo Burrows, Seredic Brandybuck
Saradoc Brandbuck, Merimac Brandybuck,
Daisy Baggins.

Evisse the Blue · 02-16-2004, 02:37 PM

It's been ten days so I'll take the liberty of posting a new one:

Whose wife is also his aunt? (there are at least two instances of this kind).

The Perky Ent · 02-16-2004, 08:00 PM

MAN! That's a tuffy! I can't think of one! altough it's probably obvious, can i get a hint?

Evisse the Blue · 02-17-2004, 02:06 AM

okay, a hint: they are of Elven descend.

nobody · 02-17-2004, 11:32 AM

Is it Elrond?

Evisse the Blue · 02-17-2004, 12:17 PM

Correct, nobody. Elrond married Celebrian who was also his aunt. The other instance is his father Earendil.

nobody · 02-18-2004, 06:34 AM

Which elf's brother was also his great-great-great-granddaughter's grandfather?

Evisse the Blue · 02-21-2004, 05:50 AM

Could you give a hint, nobody?

NightKnight · 02-21-2004, 07:33 AM

Fingolfin, the brother of Finarfin?

01-01-2004, 04:03 PM	#81
nobody Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Utumno Posts: 64	Dior? __________________ I am evil

01-01-2004, 05:23 PM	#82
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Oops, sorry, meant paternal grandmother. Sorry, Nobody. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-01-2004, 05:49 PM	#83
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Got it! Maeglin, right? __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

01-01-2004, 09:32 PM	#84
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Yes, Luthien_Tinuviel, it is Maeglor. Your turn. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-02-2004, 04:28 PM	#85
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Okay, how about Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's sister's great-grandson (it's actually not that hard). __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

01-02-2004, 07:15 PM	#86
Carlas Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lost in the Fog of the Downs Posts: 359	Would that be Pippin...or am i not thinking straight? __________________ 七転八起...

01-02-2004, 09:13 PM	#87
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Close, Carlas. That would work if it was Pippin's paternal great-grandfather's wife's great-grandson. I believe (though I am not quite sure I remember) that the answer you are looking for is good ol' Fredegar "Fatty" Bolger, the Hobbit Left Behind. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

01-02-2004, 10:43 PM	#88
Carlas Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lost in the Fog of the Downs Posts: 359	Oh, right! Well missed that one, but all the grand-these and grand-thats can be quite confusing. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ 七転八起...

01-02-2004, 11:40 PM	#89
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Indeed they can! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] I can usually make no sense of the long Hobbit family trees in the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings, at least not without my reading glasses and more than a few minutes to spare. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

01-04-2004, 04:22 PM	#90
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Ah, the good old hobbit family trees. Maybe it is harder than I thought.... I used an internet resource, and didn't realize that the needed info is probably on two separate trees. So, I'll give a hint, which is the fact that the paternal great-grandfather is Hildigrim Took, and the sister I'm looking for is Mirabella Took. You may need to use both the Took and Brandybuck trees. No one has it yet. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

01-04-2004, 04:41 PM	#91
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	It's Merry! __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

01-05-2004, 05:23 AM	#92
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Right you are, Evisse. It's a little known fact that Merry and Pippin were third cousins as well as first cousins (on different sides of their families, of course). __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

01-09-2004, 09:02 AM	#93
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	What is Elfwine to Morwen? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

01-09-2004, 09:16 AM	#94
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	I suppose and hope you mean Morwen of Lossarnach, if not this will become really embarrassing. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] So here we go: Morwen's daughter (together with Thengel) was Théodwyn, whose son (together with Éomund) was Éomer. Finally, Elfwine was Éomer's son, which makes Morwen the great-grandmother of Elfwine. Greetings, EfR

01-12-2004, 12:59 AM	#95
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	You're correct, as you undoubtedly know! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

01-12-2004, 04:02 AM	#96
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Okay here we go: What was Elentir to Elendil? Greetings, EfR

01-12-2004, 10:52 AM	#97
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Elentir was Elendil's uncle. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-12-2004, 11:43 AM	#98
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	This is correct. Please proceed NightKnight. Greetings, EfR

01-16-2004, 03:16 PM	#99
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	What was Thorin Oakenshield to Borin? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-16-2004, 05:05 PM	#100
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Thorin was Borin's great-great-nephew.

01-17-2004, 08:28 AM	#101
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	He was indeed. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

01-17-2004, 09:11 AM	#102
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Thank you. How were Merry and Frodo related?

01-17-2004, 02:05 PM	#103
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Merry's grandfather Rorimac was Frodo's uncle, because he was Frodo's mother Primula's brother. I think this would make Frodo Merry's first cousin, once removed. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-17-2004, 03:29 PM	#104
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	That's half of it. They're related in two ways.

01-17-2004, 03:48 PM	#105
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Hmm... Frodo's great-uncle is Merry's great-grandfather? That would make them... I have no idea. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-21-2004, 05:39 PM	#106
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Sorry it took so long to get back to you, symestreem... I didn't realize that you had posted. Hmm, I'm not sure what that would make them. I didn't see that one. That relation also affects the other one I was looking at and makes them even more closely related than I thought. I was going back to Balbo and Berylla Baggins which would make them third cousins once removed but that changes it...I don't know how. So you can go ahead and ask the next question.

01-21-2004, 06:25 PM	#107
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Please detail the relationship between Ar-Pharazon and his wife. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-21-2004, 06:51 PM	#108
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Ar-Pharazon's wife was Tar-Miriel (Ar-Zimraphel). She was born the daughter of king Tar-Palantir. Ar-Pharazon was Tar-Palantir's nephew, being the son of his brother Gimilzhad. Ar-Pharazon usurps the throne of Numenor by marrying his (first) cousin.

01-22-2004, 04:22 PM	#109
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Yes. __________________ A Gandalf-uncloaking-free zone.

01-22-2004, 04:57 PM	#110
Elrond of Rivendell Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 261	Name at least 5 (first cousins) of Bilbo Baggins! EfR

01-30-2004, 11:32 AM	#111
Ruitha Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 54	Um, right, uh... Sigismond, Flambard, Adalgrim, Fortinbras II, Otho Sackville-Baggins, Odo Proudfoot, Falco Chubb-Baggins...? __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear.)

02-06-2004, 09:48 PM	#112
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Five of Frodo's first cousins: Milo Burrows, Seredic Brandybuck Saradoc Brandbuck, Merimac Brandybuck, Daisy Baggins. __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

02-16-2004, 02:37 PM	#113
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	It's been ten days so I'll take the liberty of posting a new one: Whose wife is also his aunt? (there are at least two instances of this kind). __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-16-2004, 08:00 PM	#114
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	MAN! That's a tuffy! I can't think of one! altough it's probably obvious, can i get a hint? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

02-17-2004, 02:06 AM	#115
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	okay, a hint: they are of Elven descend. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.