WW: LXXVI - At Moria: EXTRA Edition

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, how does the Ranger's normal power works, as opposed to the one-shot extra protection?

I would think if the 'extra' protect can be used on xemself, so could the 'normal' protect, but I have no idea about whether xe could protect anyone twice in a row. Guess that's a question for our good mod to answer.

[Nienna]

*blinks*

That was a lot of extreme banter in the beginning. Right now it doesn't tell me anything useful except we have surprisingly chatty newbies. Hopefully with more information later it can become more useful.

On the topic of roles I think we are going to need divine Mod intervention. So there are 4 wolves and a super cobbler who we are up against. *shudders* Luckily our gifteds get an extra boost too.

I disagree with Lottie about the seer using their dream up quite this early... unless it seems likely they may get lynched... if they are being good and don't look like a night target then I think leaving maybe toDay and toMorrow and then using the extra dream after they have some suspects that would be more productive. Not that knowing two innocents wouldn't help us out but knowing two baddies would be wonderfully fabulous.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I would think if the 'extra' protect can be used on xemself, so could the 'normal' protect, but I have no idea about whether xe could protect anyone twice in a row. Guess that's a question for our good mod to answer.

Okay, I just wondered if I'd missed something.

Originally Posted by Nienna

*blinks*

That was a lot of extreme banter in the beginning. Right now it doesn't tell me anything useful except we have surprisingly chatty newbies. Hopefully with more information later it can become more useful. *

You know, I was thinking that some of the joke-accusations might actually mean something this time– a certain maker of footwear might try to signal to the known wolf that way (though at risk of being mistaken for the Seer and eaten anyhow).

[Isabellkya]

For Blind..

The game of Werewolf is an informed minority (baddies) vs. an uninformed majority (goodies). It means that the werewolves know whom they are and who each other are. By this, they know everyone else is a goodie - aka townie/town/village/villager/innocent. The villagers don't know the alignments of anyone, save for themselves - hence uninformed majority. The job of the Villagers is to find the werewolves, and lynch them - by voting for people whom they think are werewolves. The werewolves' job is to eliminate enough villagers to equal or outnumber the remaining players, and they win.

The village is only capable is 'killing' people by voting and lynching people.
The werewolves are able to kill a person at night - for current game, they are the only ones allowed to converse with each other during the Night phase. Which is most typical of every game, the ability for the wolves to converse amongst each other during the Night. During the Day is a quirk, and special feature chosen by the mod when they want it in their game.

The admin thread usually gives details about what roles you'll find in the game, voting rules, deadlines.. that sort of thing. We aren't supposed to post on the game thread during the Night phase. Communicating with other players outside of the thread is a nono - unless you have specific instructions saying you are able to. There are no vote retractions, so once you make your vote - thats it.

With this game, we have : A seer, Ranger, Hunter, Cobbler, and four wolves. That means if you don't have one of these roles - you are a plain villager aka ordinary/ordo. Seer, Ranger, and Hunter are all town aligned roles - which means they have special powers to aide the village in finding the wolves.

A seer is capable of dreaming for the wolves. They send the mod a name during the Night phase, and the mod replies back whether or not that person is a wolf.

Ranger protects people from being killed during the Night phase.

The Hunter, is kind of like a vigilante. They posess the ability to kill another player when/if they die. They send a name to the mod, and should the Hunter die - their chosen name goes with them.

Cobbler, is aligned with the town by technicality. However they are working for the good of the wolves. They are kind of like a spy. Typically they do not know the identities of the wolves, and the wolves don't know who the Cobbler is.

Ehm.. that is about all I can think of for that. Hope that helps. xD

Oh. When you vote for a player, typically we do [b] ++playername [/ b] or [highlight] ++playername [ /highlight]. Though without the spaces. Those are just with spaces in them. Yeah.

Something else. All of these special roles, they are used during the Night Phase. Sending player names to the mod, their results given, etcetera.

Also also. The game is separated into two 'phases' - Day and Night, both roughly lasting 24hours each. During Night is when the special roles use their powers, and the wolves discuss amongst each other who to kill. The Night phase ends with the death of a villager - which also begins the Day. Day phase is when we discuss who we think are werewolves and vote. The player with the most votes is lynched, which marks the end of the Day Phase.

People tend to capitalize Day/Night to signify they are talking about the game phase, and not real life day/night.

I hope people turn serious.. soon.

Oh good, people have turned serious. Post some thoughts in my next post, so it doesn't confuse.

[Isabellkya]

I agree that the Seer shouldn't necessarily use their extra dream so quickly, as it would essentially be a waste of it. I think it is not the norm that the seer goes so quickly, and holding onto it for a phase or so enables them to get a better perception of players, and they are able to better make their dream choices. If they want to use it early, that is entirely their decision. Who knows, people could be looking very suspicious early on, it has happened.

The Hunter and their extra kill, kind of worries me - as it isn't alignment specific, so they could essentially take out two innocents with them. The likelihood of taking out two wolves is less probable than two innocents, or one innocent and one wolf.

The Cobbler, there is no reason to keep them around. I think they should be treated more like a wolf than ever before - given that they already know the identity of one wolf. If not a full wolf, they are .5 of one.

To the idea that anyone could say they were the seer. Fake-claiming a role is typically something that the wolves do, to either save themself from a lynch and/or to try and get the real special role to out themself. Ordos fake claiming, is just a mess. It can happen, as a way to protect the real special role - though as the sentence right before says.. it is a mess.

[Boromir88]

I was about to tell Nerwen and Mira they would need to do a much better job at summarizing than that to get a no Day-1 vote from me, but those were actually quite accurate. Wow.

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.

And Nerwen talks about canine freudian slips. Canines fear much more than thunderstorms. The canines of the variety we are lynching happen to fear vampires, I happen to like vampires.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Canines fear much more than thunderstorms. The canines of the variety we are lynching happen to fear vampires

They do?

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

They do?

Werewolves hating Vampires is about as old as the feud between Demons and Angels. It goes way back, long before the days of the talentless saga I will not utter here.

[Blind Guardian]

mY dog hates thunder, he'll hide under the table. @ my use of "corpse" that comes from Blind Guardians forum a long time ago

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Werewolves hating Vampires is about as old as the feud between Demons and Angels. It goes way back, long before the days of the talentless saga I will not utter here.

...But we're in Middle-earth, remember?

EDIT: X'd with Blind Guardian.

[Blind Guardian]

And I don't think there are vampires in Middle-Earth

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

And I don't think there are vampires in Middle-Earth

There was Thuringwethil– but you see she hung out with werewolves.

[Blind Guardian]

So the vampires and werewolves, in Middle-Earth, where all cool with each other.

Back on topic!

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

There was Thuringwethil– but you see she hung out with werewolves.

Yes, but I assume that feuds that run as deep as werewolves and vampires are cross-dimensions, time, and mythologies. And Gandalf was the sleeze of Middle-earth, he hung out with everyone, but doesn't mean everyone liked him. He was just that annoying and pushy. You either had to stroke his ego or ignore him.

Anywhowhathavesya, I can't promise my flippant I'm bored-dedness is over, but my intentional off-topic diversionary tactics are (I know, I know, never end a sentence with a preposition...sue me grammar gustapo.)

Let's see...

Blind seems very spunky for a new one. I like it. It probably makes me a terrible person to admit it, but most newbies I ignore because they are oh-so-tentative and quiet. Not going to ignore this one, and he's (she's?) working to be noticed. Nice, annoy everyone, and you'll get along fine.

Celuien's back! Woooo! And Tom Petty reference means you've earned my good favor today. You know the way to my heart, but Don't Do Me Like That.

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

Lottie I have absolutely no clue, that's a massive amount of posts even by her standards. If you want to do your usual get yourself in trouble confusion, looks like you've already got your shovel out. I'm not taking the bullet for you this time, the way I see it...you owe me one.

wilwa is obviously sick because she's still trying to adjust to eating raw meat off the bone at night.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Funny how both of you do what I asked, but take two different attitudes towards me. Mira seizes the opportunity to do a "by the way" I love you. I'm obligated to ask, because this always seems to happen...trying to get me comfortable with you so my guard's down and it's easier to kill me? You know if I die next night and I find out you're behind it, I won't talk to you for a week, right? Glad we understand eachother now.

Haha yes, dear. In the ridiculously unlikely event that that happens you can totally not talk to me for a week. Give me the "Nienna treatment" if you will.

Going to the gym then I'll legitimately be around for the rest of the Day. ...I think.

[autume98]

Well I am here, but I am going to be gone for the day. I'm not going to have time to go through the posts and decide who to vote for. I'm also not going to be around for the DL. With that said, I'm not going to just put a blind vote out there and vote for somebody without having any reason to vote for somebody.

I'll post the reason in the Admin thread.

[Blind Guardian]

I'm female. And I'm going to be gone for an hour or two.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I disagree with Lottie about the seer using their dream up quite this early... unless it seems likely they may get lynched... if they are being good and don't look like a night target then I think leaving maybe toDay and toMorrow and then using the extra dream after they have some suspects that would be more productive. Not that knowing two innocents wouldn't help us out but knowing two baddies would be wonderfully fabulous.

If the Seer's about to get lynched, they can't very well decide to use their double-dream then.
The odds of getting two wolves, even in four Nights, are low, and the Seer must keep in mind that Seers have been killed randomly on Night 2 before, having given no signs of their gift. It's a crap-shoot really, but it would be a shame if xe was Night-killed without having had a chance to use the special.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Nienna's straight to business post is a good sign of her being innocent. Even though it was a response to Lottie, don't like the somewhat random seer-advisory message.

These two statements appear to contradict one another.

x/d with BG

[Inziladun]

And Guardian, you need to be in Invisible Mode while you're an active player.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mirandir

Haha yes, dear. In the ridiculously unlikely event that that happens you can totally not talk to me for a week. Give me the "Nienna treatment" if you will.

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?)

Originally Posted by Inziladun

These two statements appear to contradict one another.

Maybe to you, but to me it says I'm telling Nienna I like her usual business-like approach, but not the content.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Excellent, because this means if I die, you either wouldn't be involved in anyway as you wouldn't want the "Nienna treatment" from me, or you would be involved and that means you don't give a darn. I've got all I need to know, I think I can safely assume the former with you. (P.S. I do include cobblery, however. If we are going with the cobbler = .5 wolf conversion...if you're the cobbler I won't talk to you for 3.5 days. Does this change anything?)

Nope.

So, onto more actual contributions.

If I were Fea, I would vote Lottie for posting a video.

The only person rubbing me the wrong way so far is Blind, but my tolerance for newbies is notoriously low. Wouldn't rule out playing dumb because her fellow wolves suggested it, though.

Oh, and Nienna seems wolfish from that one post she's made so far. But that suspicion could totally be founded on the fact that she's been directly responsible for my death in three of the last games I've played. Not that I'm at all bitter or anything...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I saw that there were some questions asked of me and my mod-ness, so let me clarify a few things that I forgot to put in the admin thread.

1. Please [highlight] your votes. Okay? Thanks.

2. Regarding the Ranger's extra protection and the wolves' extra kill - The Ranger's standard, normal kill can be used like a normal Ranger protect - i.e. they can't protect the same person twice in a row, they can protect themselves once during the game, etc. Now, the extra protection has no such liability - it can be used at any time, on any one. I.E. the ranger could protect Person X Night 1, use their extra protection on them Night 2, and protect them again Night 3. Also it is possible for the Ranger to use their extra protection on the same person they're already protecting. Mainly that would only be used if the Wolves used their extra kill on the person they were already attacking - the formula is one protect = one kill, so if the Ranger protected someone once and the wolves attacked them twice in a night the person would still die. Also, if the Wolves use their kill on the same person they're already attacking and that person dies from the first attack, the second kill is not wasted.

I hope this helps, guys.

[Nienna]

Hmmmmm interesting stuff from the Mod. Just some things I'm thinking about: we need to be extra sure to concentrate on catching wolves... if they don't use their double kill early and they wait until later in the game then we can loose the game much earlier especially with four wolves.

Obviously since I'm being suspected on Day One I'm an innocent. It always seems to happen that way.

Anyway... even though Boro and Mira both seem to suspect me (*shakes head at her children*) they seem innocent enough to me at the moment. I don't really have any suspects. Zil seems normal. There are still a bunch of people who need to contribute at all or contribute more. I should be around until deadline though it is a touch late for me.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to have to vote within the next hour, so who I've decided not to vote for...

Mira, rather easy and obvious decision really. She actually might get a 2-day no vote from me.

Nerwen, for the brief summary, and jumping through my hoops.

Blind Guardian, feel quite good about her participation.

sally because I missed her birthday and I need to pay pennance.

Everyone else is fair game.

[Glirdan]

Okay, so, I'm here...but I'm not...Really busy night and the DL happens to be at a decent time...but not on weekends

In short,

I'm voting now as I will not be around for the rest of the Day....like, at all...If I'm here for Day 2, I'll be able to post a little more, but the DL happens to fall in the middle of my sleeping and then school and rehearsals...in other words, don't expect much from me.

As for my vote, it is purely out of spite!

++Lottie

Happy hunting!

[Boromir88]

Must be going, best thing I can come up with...call it a bandwagon, it is or what have you.

++Lottie

For making me think Rikae was in the game and I was going to post something like "Rikae not eerily arriving and saying something terrifyingly creepy yet is worrying me." But then checking the list of players and seeing Rikae isn't even here.

[satansaloser2005]

*blinks*

Isn't it a bit early for a bandwagon, sweetie pie?

[Mirandir]

Ahhh totally forgot Glirdy was playing! (Not that I'm considering pulling a typical Mira "Psh I don't know who to vote for oh hey there's Glirdy" or anything like that...)

[Isabellkya]

He did admit he was bandwagoning. Not entirely sure it makes it any better.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Wow.... SOOOOO confused...

what are the rules regarding not voting? because I don't plan on voting today because absolutely nothing makes sense for me.

Don't vote twice, get modkilled.

[Loslote]

Smilies removed.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

By that logic everyone has to be evil, as everyone has a birthday.

Lottie's logic is majorly flawed. Confused innocent (again) or wolf? Meep!



Also....


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Lottie's logic is always majorly flawed, dear. And I was totally going to say "wheeee" but forgot.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I agree that the Seer shouldn't necessarily use their extra dream so quickly, as it would essentially be a waste of it. I think it is not the norm that the seer goes so quickly, and holding onto it for a phase or so enables them to get a better perception of players, and they are able to better make their dream choices. If they want to use it early, that is entirely their decision. Who knows, people could be looking very suspicious early on, it has happened.

Yeah, but who's to say they'll get that dream? And as Nienna said, we need to kill wolves fast. If we get one wolf, the others die easier. It's simple: We need the seer's dreams to kill wolves quick, the seer can have multiple dreams, thus the seer does dream multiply.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Lottie I have absolutely no clue, that's a massive amount of posts even by her standards. If you want to do your usual get yourself in trouble confusion, looks like you've already got your shovel out. I'm not taking the bullet for you this time, the way I see it...you owe me one.

Is the reason you're avoiding the bullet because it's silver?

Originally Posted by Mirandir

If I were Fea, I would vote Lottie for posting a video.

If you were Fea, you'd vote Lottie just because.

Originally Posted by Glirdan

As for my vote, it is purely out of spite!

[*highlight]++Lottie[/highlight]

Happy hunting!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Must be going, best thing I can come up with...call it a bandwagon, it is or what have you.

[*HIGHLIGHT]++Lottie[/HIGHLIGHT]

For making me think Rikae was in the game and I was going to post something like "Rikae not eerily arriving and saying something terrifyingly creepy yet is worrying me." But then checking the list of players and seeing Rikae isn't even here.

Love you guys, too. And the Rikae think made me laugh so hard...

[Nienna]

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

Day one lack of substance and early bandwagons. These are a few of my favorite things... not.

Goes catching up on the last page...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

Meh. I tried to come up with something daring, but came up blank. SO here's a suspicion list. Whoop.

Suspicious:
Sadly, no one.

Innocent:
Lottie (awesome, too)

Mildly Suspicious:
Boro (being too flippant)
Glirdy (same)
Morsul (come on, you have to vote even if you're confused! It's only three pages, anyway...)
Nienna (raises flags, but I can't say why)

Mostly Innocent:
Mira (seems quite normal)
Wilwa (is ill, poor dear)
BeiGe (is making quite an effort)
Sally (looks like normal Sally)
Zil (makes sense and seems innocent)
Nerwen (same)
Xed (love the nick plus seems innocent)

No Read:
Noia (hasn't posted yet)
Tum (is away and hasn't really posted)
Izzy (I simply have no idea)
Elfie (same)
Cabbie (if he's even posted yet, I don't remember it)

~~~

My vote will almost certainly come from that Mildly Suspicious category.

EDIT: Xed with Xed -

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Mmmk children... there has been very little of substance toDay and I have no idea who to vote for. So far we have 2 votes for Lottie that seem very unsubstantiated even for Day Ones. Lets get moving.

Where is everyone. We need a Fea to do something outwardly daring just to get us to talk.

I could arbitrarily let my RNG kill someone off. That'd be daring.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Celuien's back! Woooo! And Tom Petty reference means you've earned my good favor today. You know the way to my heart, but Don't Do Me Like That.

Yay, Tom Petty!

I have a mild problem... no one is appearing suspicious to me so far. The only thing that is bothering me is the rule talk above, which I find a little bit distracting... but that is probably just perfectly legitimate clarification for the new entry into WW... and the most I could possibly make out of it is a pair of shoes if I wanted to find it suspicious.

Arbitrary kill off, Shasta??

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I could arbitrarily let my RNG kill someone off. That'd be daring.

Hahahah you could but I don't know how much that would tell us.

[Loslote]

Okay, I'm probably going to vote Morsul. Morsul for his desicion not to vote, which tells us nothing and is a very easy escape route for a wolf.

Nienna I have no real reasons for, and Boro and Glirdy are both probably just being themselves.

So...

++Morsul

And I might or might not be back, depending.

[Isabellkya]

Loslote. How is knowing the Seer's Dreams going to enable us to 'kill wolves quick'? You are essentially asking the Seer to both use their extra dream quickly, and to reveal quickly. Since revealing would be the only way we could find out those dreams. The probability of hitting a wolf is pretty slim, so odds are that the Seer will hit innocents. Okay, so if the Seer revealed toMorrow and used their extra dream. That would be three people. Three innocents out of.. 17 players? I say three innocents because probability of hitting one is much higher than hitting a wolf. How exactly is that going to get the village to 'kill wolves quick'?