WWJ V: The Broken Souls

[Nogrod]

And this one still, before I go...

And as I have to vote this early, I don't want to make the difference now by voting Naria - she being already voted by Holbytlass (sic!).

So of the three I find hinted at in Sleepy's message, one has voted for the most suspicious one. And the third has made a theory of some kind. With this little information I go with having the tally even. You others hopefully are better informed, and can hunt us one wulf, when the evening draws to a close...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

PS. Thinlómien: I admit you being right in that point about your not taking sides between Roa / THE Ka -thing. I was negligent over some of your posts... Sorry.

You're forgiven.

And LMP - I forgot to mention earlier, but - my name is Thinlómien not Thinlomiel. Just to inform you.

I would like to hear more from especially Gil-Galad, Valesse and Valier. They haven't practically said anything.

EDIT: xposted with Nogrod

[Roa_Aoife]

Quite interesting this is. But have you got any basis on your argument why would Sleepy use just that kind of subtlety?

Because that's the way he is. It's just his style. Very clever and sneaky, he is.

Now, I hate to follow a trend, but LMP beat me to my vote. And while I don't like making a difference in a lynching, it stands that if someone does not get two votes, Thin will be the lynchee, as we aren't double lynching. I may not agree with Thin's accusations of me, but she's adding valuable discussion, and has kept the village from being silent. That's too valuable to throw away today.

And so

++THE Ka

EDIT: Cross posted with the last three posts.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Because that's the way he is. It's just his style. Very clever and sneaky, he is.

Well that can be agreed.

I will vote nearer the closing time (=when I have to go), but now I say I'll probably bandwagon for THE Ka.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I may not agree with Thin's accusations of me, but she's adding valuable discussion, and has kept the village from being silent. That's too valuable to throw away today.

And apparently you are turning the knife already in my belly as I voted for you, one of our best discussioners today... Augh!

[Valier]

Vell I am ere now! I see zhat udders vould accuze me becauze ob my lovely accent! I atture you I am not evil! Vell a bit ....but not VHAT evil!

I ave looked over Sleepy's posting..... I do not zhink he would ave left uz vith too much on zee first day. But tomorrow iz a different ztory! My zuzpitions are ztill random. I am not able to come up vith anything vith zubstance today. I muzt vote zoon, before I go to find me a air brush.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

Vell I am ere now! I see zhat udders vould accuze me becauze ob my lovely accent! I atture you I am not evil! Vell a bit ....but not VHAT evil!

I ave looked over Sleepy's posting..... I do not zhink he would ave left uz vith too much on zee first day. But tomorrow iz a different ztory! My zuzpitions are ztill random. I am not able to come up vith anything vith zubstance today. I muzt vote zoon, before I go to find me a air brush.

No one accuses you for your lovely accent, Duchess Valier; you are accused because you use your accent as a cover, milady!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And apparently you are turning the knife already in my belly as I voted for you, one of our best discussioners today... Augh!

You were going to a choir practice? You seem to be very good at leaving...

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

No one accuses you for your lovely accent, Duchess Valier; you are accused because you use your accent as a cover, milady!

I ez no cover! I svear it! I alvays talk like dis...It iz more deztinguizhed! I am feeling de air on my delicate neck ztand up. I diztruzt Nogrod and all is..... Accuzations! Ever ear of ooh smealt it dealt it? I lean towardz our muzition....He may be iding behind Is wordz.

I do not vish to lynch our dear birdy maker yet, zhe iz a good help with ze people.

Edit: And Nogrod vhat my I azk iz a wulf? I ave eared of no zuch thing! Only a madman and ze traitorz.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

I ez no cover! I svear it! I alvays talk like dis...It iz more deztinguizhed! I am feeling de air on my delicate neck ztand up. I diztruzt Nogrod and all is..... Accuzations! Ever ear of ooh smealt it dealt it? I lean towardz our muzition....He may be iding behind Is wordz.

I do not vish to lynch our dear birdy maker yet, zhe iz a good help with ze people.

You may always talk like that, but I think you assume that if you speak in a strange (or "sophisticated" as you say) way, it takes the attention from your posts and you don't have to say anything meaningful. That is not the case.

Interesting, how the alliances begin to form...

Have you any special reason to distrust Nogrod or to trust THE Ka?

[Thinlómien]

Edit: And Nogrod vhat my I azk iz a wulf? I ave eared of no zuch thing! Only a madman and ze traitorz.

Or little post-structuralist seems to be afraid of wild-dogs and connecting them with everything...

[Encaitare]

Please note: I'm writing this as I'm reading and re-reading the thread, so please forgive a little stream-of-consciousness.

Originally Posted by me

Some degree of pressure on quiet players is a good thing -- a nudge like "I'd like to hear more from so-and-so" is likely to do the trick. And it's better if everyone talks, because then at least there is something substantial to back up your opinions of people.

However... while there is often one wolf who is one of "the quiet ones," we shouldn't base guilt solely on how much one talks. There are sometimes other reasons for being quiet -- RL conflicts, or as the game gets more heated, it takes a long time to actually read and process everyone else's posts!

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

Enca isn't really saying anything, but I'm not blaming her for that. I do it all the time! Being unable to make sound opinions doesn't always lead to wolvishness.

What's your definition of "sound," 'Lommy? I'm just leaving all options open. RL gets in the way of games sometimes, and it's frustrating to be suspected only because you couldn't get to a computer! I would say that it is a better strategy to keep an eye out for people who talk but whose posts really don't have much content. And now for my thoughts after reviewing the thread...

The ideas about Sleepy hiding hints in his opening posts are interesting (and I admire your careful reading and theorizing!), but I don't think we can base a lynching on them. While hidden clues would certainly be very helpful, the moderator is supposed to be impartial and generally anything s/he writes is not meant to give hints towards anyone's role. (Have there been precedents of this kind of hinting from the mods in other games? From the games I've played in, there have not been, and in some cases the mod even gave a disclaimer that none of his/her posts contained clues. Maybe if we could get a little disclaimer or something from Sleepy on this to tell us whether his posts are valid clues or not?)

Right now the votes are as such:

1. THE Ka voted for Thinlomien
2. Holbytlass voted for Naria
3. Eonwe voted for LMP
4. LMP voted for THE Ka
5. Nogrod voted for Roa_Aoife
6. Roa_Aoife voted for THE Ka

So the totals are:

Thinlomien: 1
Naria: 1
LMP: 1
THE Ka: 2
Roa_Aoife: 1

The kill could still go any way right now, since there are so many people left to vote. Assuming that Day 1 will end 24 hours after Sleepy's post #4 told us to begin, this will be the last time I can get online toDay. I am therefore forced to vote now.

I agree with LMP regarding THE Ka here:

Originally Posted by LMP

2. She protests way too much in defense of every single possible contingency of which she finds herself able to be accused; that seems rather guilty behavior to me.

From experience I've learned that sometimes too vocal a self-defense can be telling. I therefore will vote for Ka, since most other posts are either intelligently analytical, or totally devoid of substance. If she is lynched, perhaps we'll find out if any of these theories about hidden clues are valid!

++ THE Ka

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Thinlo

Or little post-structuralist seems to be afraid of wild-dogs and connecting them with everything

I ave notized zhiz az vell! I alvays zhink a traitor vould ide in ze open. Try to svay uz all zheir way.
I do not zay I truzt The Ka
I truzt novone!
But a gut feelingz iz forming in my petite belly, I muzt zhink quick! I have to go zoon.

[Valier]

While hidden clues would certainly be very helpful, the moderator is supposed to be impartial and generally anything s/he writes is not meant to give hints towards anyone's role. (Have there been precedents of this kind of hinting from the mods in other games? From the games I've played in, there have not been, and in some cases the mod even gave a disclaimer that none of his/her posts contained clues. Maybe if we could get a little disclaimer or something from Sleepy on this to tell us whether his posts are valid clues or not?)

Sleepy did say to read Is posts carefully! But I do not zhink E would put in too much today.

[Thinlómien]

What's your definition of "sound," 'Lommy? I'm just leaving all options open. RL gets in the way of games sometimes, and it's frustrating to be suspected only because you couldn't get to a computer! I would say that it is a better strategy to keep an eye out for people who talk but whose posts really don't have much content. And now for my thoughts after reviewing the thread...

Sound = not leaving all options open, saying just one thing but nothing to oppose it
which leads to
sound - not necessarily a good thing

I'm not accusing you. I myself have also suggested to keep an eye on the nonsense-talkers. I think your post was rather well done, you brought up more than one side of the matter. I keep doing that too, and I know from experience that that may (accidentally) lead to actually not saying anything.

If you have RL problems, that's okay. I don't think anyone has accused you very much because of your silence. Everybody has RL things to do, and some have more than some other people and there are more things on some days than on others. It's just a fact.

EDIT: xposted with the two Valier's posts before this

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

But a gut feelingz iz forming in my petite belly, I muzt zhink quick! I have to go zoon.

So you just have a gut-feeling. *sigh*
I don't blame you for that, still, because there's not much to go on.

Anyway, I must leave now, so I'll vote.

++THE Ka
I'm very aware that I'm bandwagoning, but as I think she's the most suspicious peson here, and I don't think I shouldn't vote for her only because it's bandwagoning.

[JennyHallu]

Hello everyone, sorry for my silence this morning, I had to touch up the lettering on my best Armageddon sign (trans: my RL workplace lost all internet connection and we only just got it back.)

I am most impressed at how you have used the advice Anguirel and I gave to examine any possible hints Sleepy may have left us! Honestly my own dissection of the text didn't really get beyond a general feeling that the traitors are first, female, and second, that Sleepy's comment about Naria's shop 'smelling of death' seemed faintly suspicious.

But, not having been a member of this site for very long, I would never have caught any meaning behind "Cupid's Arrow", and that argument seems very very sound. While I'm not quite sure I catch where you are saying she defends herself to quickly, since she hasn't been around since any accusations were made in her direction, just read her post #30. This is how she's posted since the beginning...a lot of words to say nothing at all.

And since I have no way of knowing if my connection will last through the day,

++THE Ka

xposting with Thin

[Anguirel]

Weee-eeel. Thinlomien's excited today.

Madam, I excused your silence initially because I thought I recalled that you lived in a cold clime far to the north and east...now it's your chattering that makes me pause.

It's not implicitly damning; but just as you were granted hours of grace, you have to accept lulls in discussion. When you're arguing in an advanced state of schizophrenia, and you know it, your speech should perhaps be limited. For though many of your thoughts are helpful, your gabble implicitly criticises the poor souls who cannot help to keep up.

I see that-despite much insipid Day One moaning, particularly, interestingly, from THE Ka and Thinlomien-a case has been brought up from our departed Sleepy's description.

I have another point to raise; a matter of definition. It concerns Holbytlass.

Look at her occupation. She is a governess. This is not a political role and has nothing to do with ruling anything. A governess looks after small children.

Sleepy appears at first sight, though, to think it means something involving "being marginally fake" and making speeches. In other words, the introduction to Holby makes her out to be a governor.

I know that Holby knows what a governess is; in another life, she referred to her "small charges" and their crying, eating habits etc.

Yet she seems to buy the role Sleepy has-apparently accidentally-given her of governor. Vide post #51:

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

I have governing appointments elsewhere and shan't be albe to return

What are we supposed to make of this? Either Holby is teasing Sleepy's error, or she's another kind of governor in this town.

A wolvish one. Perhaps the "she" of the poem.

++HOLBYTLASS

[Valesse]

I'm not so keen on Nogrod, who first called for a system of murder. I don't claim to know exactly how to tell a bad egg when I see one, but I feel there is something just a little too drastic going on in that mind. This is death, and we should not be so quick to it, I'd say. It might not be the best explanation, but by the way things look toDay, it'll have no effect, so no harm done. It's more expressing my hunch than anything else.

++ Nogrod

[Naria]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

So that you could slip under the radar?

Slipping....I wasn't trying to do any slipping under anyone's 'radar'. I was simply stating that I didn't agree with the 'looking at the quiet ones' at the very beginning of the game, not hiding just a statement. But I guess like you said

we need to start somewhere

.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Naria: seems to be a bit mad (not caring of anything real, just laughing alone

And

Naria: the loose madman-butcher? + Sleepy's throat cut

And

You could also see, that Sleepy had next to the Cupid's arrow, mentioned to have his throat slahed so that his head was almost off. The butcher would have the tools and art to do it...

Come on man, do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. I picked my occupation not Sleepy, I think he's just going along with our job descriptions at this point in the game. So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far.


[QUOTE-lmp] Naria: her "wait and see" attitude as described in #32 seemed a bit opportunistic and therefore perhaps wolfish to me; I am vindicated in this thinking by Holbytlass in her vote.[/QUOTE]

Once again, it was meerly a statment. I realize that we all need to 'get the ball rolling' per se. But going after someone because they either don't know what to say in the first day or just aren't around when everyone else is doesn't make much sense to me. My "wait and see" attitude is mostly used in the first two days, with not much else to go on, that is what I do to sort things out.

And how exactly are you vindicatd by Holby's vote?


Too sum up this post: some people have a knack for analyzing, some for posting lots and some just talk to hear their own voices. I am none of those. I am not saying that I will not participate in discussion, I am saying that you will not see any of those traits from me. So I am not trying to hide, except of coarse when it comes to the evil that lurks in the shadows. I am merely letting you all know that when I have suspicions or have something useful to add I will. Take away with this as you will, there may not be another post this big from me again.

[Roa_Aoife]

Rules
....
-Double Lynchings are allowed
....

Oops, my mistake. We do have double lynchings.

[Valier]

Vell zince I muzt go I shall vote for

++Nogrod

He is the mozt zuzpizious I think right now. But I have alzo looked at Sleepy's writings again and I noticed Roa wishes to zhow uz who's better and I alzo saw vhat Ang was zaying about Holbytlass. Nogrod novone vill notice because E lookz like a random guy. Also Witch_Queen azzoziates vith Rats! She could be a traitor. Vell I ope all goes vell and ve catch does bad guyz!

[Naria]

Wow, looks like the time is drawing near so I shall vote now. I don't agree with the way Nogrod went after all of the quiet ones so quick and early and kept that discussion going, having someone like him around would not help at all...out for blood he is!


++Nogrod

[Roa_Aoife]

Current vote tally, as requested by Sleepy (because he's busy being smart and making resolutions for the next UN meeting):

Thin-1
Naria- 1
LMP- 1
THE Ka- 5
Roa- 1
Holby- 1
Nogrod- 3

[JennyHallu]

More detailed summary:

1. THE Ka - Thinlomien
2. Holbytlass - Naria
3. Eonwe - littlemanpoet
4. littlemanpoet - THE Ka
5. Nogrod - Roa_Aoife
6. Roa_Aoife - THE Ka
7. Encaitare - THE Ka
8. Thinlomien - THE Ka
9. JennyHallu - THE Ka
10. Anguirel - Holbytlass
11. Valesse - Nogrod
12. Valier - Nogrod
13. Naria - Nogrod

Not voted: Witch_Queen, Gil-Galad

[Sleepy Ranger]

"Times up!" That creepy voice echoed throughout the city. "You've made your choice and now see the result!" It broke off into that insane laughter as darkness crept over the city and a strange drowsiness overcame the people.

---
If you haven't understood that means stop posting.

[Sleepy Ranger]

The people woke up to find themselves alone in different parts of the town. Each of them hastily made their way to the town fountain, and there with their arms wrapped around each other lay Sleepy Ranger and The Ka. One of her legs had been severed below the knee and her body seemed to have been drained of all its blood. The blood in the fountain seemed to have risen in level but that wasn't all, the fountain also contained tufts of brown fur, colored red by the blood. Ka's hair was the only part of her that had any blood, it had been soaked in it. There was a note pinned into her forhead, "Werewolf." it read.

And at their feet (just three since Ka had one leg cut off) lay another note which read, "Well, well, well! You killed one of the traitors and on the first day! Would you like some candy to celebrate? Or maybe you'd prefer a leg!" As the villagers read this Ka's other leg exploded below the knee sending bits of flesh and bone splattering over all of them... but there was no blood, it had all been drained. The wind seemed to sigh as it travelled past the dead lovers, even in death together but one question lingered in everyones mind, "Why did she do it?"

Nobody really had any time to ponder over it as the voice of their host exploded from the far end of the town, "Congratulations! You've killed a wolf! Hurrah, lets have a party! A pool party, you'll have to excuse the bloody color and the random tufts of fur floating around. Oh and please pay no heed to the two dead people over there." The fourteen people left looked from one to the other, they had killed a wolf but it seemed things had just gotten worse. "What?!? Nobody wants to party? So bad, too sad, just for that you can die." And one at a time they all fell asleep.

---

Wolves and seers you may begin to PM. Ranger send me the name and Hunter you may choose who you want to now. Oh and on a sidenote I'll be out most of tomorrow so don't expect a reply till sometime around the deadline.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Fourteen fell asleep but only thirteen awoke the next morning. In front of the fountain (where once lay Sleepy and Ka, they had inexplicably vanished) lay LittleManPoet, left eye dangling out of its socket, his hair ripped off along with pieces of bone and little flecks of brain all over his face, but no blood. No, that was all in the fountain. His arms had been mutilated beyond recognition with cuts everywhere and having been twisted into a shape they were never supposed to have been. There was a note pinned into his right eye, "Innocent." it read. The thirteen survivors looked at each other as the madman's voice sounded, "Thirteen! Lucky number thirteen! That means tonight you're all in for a real surprise! All I'm going to say is you better think before you pull any of your tricks my dear seers, ranger and hunter!" The voice trailed off into its trademark laughter.

---

Day 2 may commence now.

[JennyHallu]

JennyHallu
Roa_Aoife
Nogrod
Thinlomien
Naria
Valier
Gil-Galad
Anguirel
THE Ka - Deceased - Werewolf
Witch_Queen
Eonwe
Valesse
Holbytlass
Littlemanpoet - Deceased - Innocent
Encaitare

[Holbytlass]

Thanks to those who took out a wolf yesterDAY, I'm sure at least one fellow wolf voted for The Ka. And very sad to see elempi gone, his wisdom and lyrics will be soorly missed.

Originally Posted by Anguriel

What are we supposed to make of this? Either Holby is teasing Sleepy's error, or she's another kind of governor in this town.

Anguriel, I oughta whack you with an anvil! I suppose the thought never occured to you that yes, I do know the proper meaning of "governess" but that Sleepy's mistake did not bother me and so I adopted his definition. As for being another kind of governor, well perhaps Sleepy is teasing me knowing I'm definitely not one of the mentally elite .
Anyway, I'm going back and try to make something of yestDAY's voting record.

[Nogrod]

Well my fellow villagers, you really seemed to have had quite an ending the last night! I do congratulate, first and foremost Roa, to have get us rid of a wolf! I just couldn't believe this RL-stuff. If the moderator should be impartial, here he wasn't (some people could have the knowledge, most did not)...

But there seems to be something quite interesting - not only from my personal view - in the last night's late hours.

As a quick summary I do find the last 1h.20min. include only:

1 apology for giving misinformation

2 summaries

1 personal reflection (given as an excuse?), including commenting + a downright abusement of me (leading quite soon to being one of the posters with the next three)

3 votes against me with either false (2) or (masked)hunch-grounds (1)


This sure gives, at least for me, some food for thought...

I'll be analyzing these accusations and the accusators' earlier posts before I go to sleep.

I know, that a detailed defence is overall susceptable. But in this instance - last 1½ hours bandwagon of three, with myself no possibility of answering, kind of justifies my analysis. And because one of these must be a wolf (my "hunch", this time... ), there could be something there.

Let's see, what there is to be found...

[Anguirel]

Thanks Holby, anvil and all. A perfectly adequate self-defence. I had little foundation on which to vote, of course, and the case against THE Ka seemed so...obvious...allow me to mutter to myself about woods and trees.

I now suspect you no more than most. Possibly a little less.

We need to examine the victorious wolf-hangers, the THE Ka bandwagon, and see to what extent we can clear them of wrongdoing.

[JennyHallu]

the case against THE Ka seemed so...obvious

Then why, if you felt you had little else to go on, did you NOT vote for the obvious wolf?

The case you made against Holby felt, frankly, mostly specious at the time. I find it mildly curious that such a strong player as yourself chose to post mostly in ambiguous rhymes, then vote on a weak case when you admit the case for the proven wolf was strong?

[Anguirel]

Because I know that an "obvious wolf" often turns out to be a helpful chap with a cloak and sword, a crossbow and or an astrolabe.

Why did I post in poetry for a little while? Passes the time, exercises the Muse, and keeps up a factor that cannot be easily worked out by analysis or mathematics-namely morale.

Besides, my verse wasn't wholly valueless. What was dangerous was when the whole village slid, Pied Piper style, into doggerel echoing my own. And it's quite interesting to observe who were most eager to don the reassuring bardic role, and what their motives may have been.

As for the accusation towards Holby-you may laugh at it, but you'd be considering it if THE Ka had turned out to be innocent. Presenting an alternate view-even if an incorrect one-is always, always preferable to a herd vote. There are many possible wolves in the Ka-camp as it is. Do you yearn so much, in retrospect, for me to be in that running too?

A range of opinions is no evil, and if you really desire to hang the lone theorists, you end up with a pack of pheasants waiting to be converted, quite systematically, into game pie.

[JennyHallu]

Thank you for your answer. The rhyme had been bothering me since your first few posts, and as I had connection trouble all Day yesterDay--I was lucky to be able to vote, I was not able to ask you about it.

I think the quick descension into copycat verse was, however, easily foreseen.

***

But, since the Ka was a wolf, speculations on what we would have been doing toDay had she been innocent are largely, in my mind, irrelevant. I think today we need to take a close look at those among us, who, although they came in and voted long after the case for THE Ka - and its likely result - was already set in stone, voted in a second, lateborn bandwagon.

Originally Posted by Naria

Come on man, do you honestly think that Sleepy would set me up like this? I would like to think that you would give him more credit than this. I picked my occupation not Sleepy, I think he's just going along with our job descriptions at this point in the game. So, don't read too much into what Sleepy has said about me....it won't get you very far.

Apparently, Sleepy will set up the wolves in obvious ways. While his hint about Ka required some insider information, it didn't require much.

[Nogrod]

Case Valesse

The "votepost" for me, her last, was the following:

I'm not so keen on Nogrod, who first called for a system of murder. I don't claim to know exactly how to tell a bad egg when I see one, but I feel there is something just a little too drastic going on in that mind. This is death, and we should not be so quick to it, I'd say. It might not be the best explanation, but by the way things look toDay, it'll have no effect, so no harm done. It's more expressing my hunch than anything else.

1. This is death, and we should not be so quick to it, I'd say. What a rhetoric!
A) Valesse had known, even before the start of the game, that we would have to lynch one the first day. So what I call this kind of thing, is hypocrisy.
B) She herself was quick enough to throw a lynching verdict on me just two sentences after that! So who's the quick one here? (there is no hint, or theory, or accusation before this one!) I spent the whole day trying to figure out some reasonable ways to act on, when the time would be.
C) I have not said, we should be quick to point the finger! I myself gave my vote quite reluctantly, because any of the theories didn't seem quite right, at the last possible instance for me.

2. To call a system of murder? Well yes and no. I called for something other than random killing with just hunches (or picking the one, three names down in the list!) - if there just could be another way. That surely always is the hope of the new day: that the evening would be wiser than the morning. And luckily, you could try to help in it by trying to get some action. I have not said, that we should immediately lynch or vote to lynch anyone not posting in the first three hours of game. Even I am not that stupid!

3. I don't claim to know exactly how to tell a bad egg when I see one, but I feel there is something just a little too drastic going on in that mind. You could say that from anyone, and by the shelter of the net, really throw it around. It's more expressing my hunch than anything else The only sentence to the point in this message?

But as 3. (or the sentence preceeding it in actual post) is not so bad as the others, I'd still like to look at points 1. and 2. from a more general point of view.

So why is she clad in the mist of rhetoric (including downright lies!), and why the false accusations?

The bad rhetoric (or lying) might show, that she is hiding her real intentions. Lying = trying us to be convinced that she is not thinking what she actually is thinking.

The false accusations (my "system of murder" - rhetoric here too...) might show that she is either deliberately avoiding the mentioning of my posts where I have rebutted this fantastic interpretation of my views,

or then, she just hasn't read the posts!

Well, we can't just enforce every player to read every post! On the other hand, it's quite questionable, from the moral point of view, to play without reading the posts.

What is downright suspicious (on both moral and wolvish standards), is going to vote for someone, who's posts you haven't read - accusing that one with false grounds, while hiding one's own intents by rhetoric that one herself denies two sentences later!

The two earlier posts were normal posts of the early hours. Nothing in them that I would like to go for, at least the time being...

Suspicious for me, but not a strong candidate. At this hour.

[Anguirel]

I think he'll be more reserved with regard to narration in future. Rather bad luck on the predators if he isn't...

The Nogrod bandwagon too, as has been mentioned by...Nogrod...is so bumbling, bizarre, ill-motivated and yet popular that it deserves a look. It could be supported, though not, I tend to feel, initiated, by a cack-handed werewolf.

[JennyHallu]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I think he'll be more reserved with regard to narration in future. Rather bad luck on the predators if he isn't...

The Nogrod bandwagon too, as has been mentioned by...Nogrod...is so bumbling, bizarre, ill-motivated and yet popular that it deserves a look. It could be supported, though not, I tend to feel, initiated, by a cack-handed werewolf.

I'm sorry...pure question of definition. What does cack-handed mean?

[Valier]

Our pooR Littlemanpoet! Dead as well! *cOugh* *cough*

I seem to have come down with a cold from all this so called fresh air.*Cough* *Cough* (Ok Ok It's because writing in z's and v's is really harder than I thought!)

I am glad that we got one of the baddies! I have looked at The Ka's posts, there were only two. She only mentioned Valesse, Jenny and Roa. She said they fell out of her suspision. She voted for Thinlo because she had not posted yet. Also suspected Witch-Queen for her no-show.

I did see afterwards that there was a bit of a bandwagon for Nogrod. I would have probably been the first to vote for him, but Valesse beat me to it. Nogrod's posts....I don't know errk me. But I need to read his posts over. Valesse has come up for me to look at today. Her post/vote for Nogrod, came right after I posted my concerns about him. I was taking a shot in the dark (You always do on the first day) I didn't think anyone would vote with me, it was pretty spread out then. The Ka did mention her First as not being suspisious....

Well I'll go back through and see if I can come up with anything else.*cough* *cough*

P.S. Please do not take the change in accent as suspisious...It really was hard to put down thoughts with all that nonsense...Sorry! I thought it would be fun...It was not.)

[Encaitare]

1. littlemanpoet, currently deceased. He worded his suspicions for her as such:

Originally Posted by Elempi

1. Votes for Thinlomiel after others have voiced some suspicion in that direction, thereby following a trend.
2. She protests way too much in defense of every single possible contingency of which she finds herself able to be accused; that seems rather guilty behavior to me.
3. I notice that others have found other areas of suspicion that I have not yet had time to research.

The "other areas" would refer to the messages in Sleepy's posts.

2. Roa_Aoife

I believe she was the first one to really bring up the thing with the Cupid's arrow, and Sleepy and Ka's RL relationship. She based her vote on that.

3. Encaitare

I was at first skeptical of whether the theories had any substance. But as it was Day 1 I had nothing else to go on, and I find too much self-defense and empty words to be suspicious, hence my vote.

4. Thinlomien

Admitted that a vote for Ka is bandwagoning, but also that Ka is "the most suspicious peson here," and therefore voted for her nevertheless.

5. JennyHallu

The final vote for Ka, though she crossposted with Thinlomien. She wrote that the Cupid's Arrow argument "seems very very sound".

It's quite possible that one of these is a wolf, though it's difficult to say who it could be. It's doubtful that it's Roa, as she cast the second vote that really got the whole thing going. That'd have to be one bold wolf. As for Lommy and Jenny, I would wonder if a wolf would allow the bandwagon to continue. Since Jenny crossposted with Lommy, they both would have thought they were the fourth vote. At this time, the voting still could have been swung in a different direction with a convincing enough argument. So again, it's a little hard to tell. If anyone has some ideas about this, let's hear them!

(I have left myself out of my analysis there, as analyzing my votes is a task better suited to others.)

Now I must depart; I shall return later tonight.