Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Nogrod]

Reading the latest, especially by Boro, I'm actually ready to go for someone voting Aganzir.

So whom?

I'd say Lalaith is our best bet.

[the phantom]

I haven't seen enough from Lalaith to trust her. She has two checks on my chart. I think I noted she was "too nice" in post 126... *goes to look*

[the phantom]

Agan is dead no matter what.

We should give our bonus to Gwath, ha ha!!

[the phantom]

I think I'll vote Lommy unless you want to go Gwath.

[Nogrod]

It's not about who we trust as much as whom we want to be lynched.

We know nothing, don't forget (even if you know something I don't). So it's not that big an issue whom we give it.

++ Lalaith

[the phantom]

++Lommy

For extra power.

[Nogrod]

Did you mange to vote?

Or was it no-vote? IT might have been better...

[the phantom]

No Rune?

[the phantom]

Ha ha. Whatever. We couldn't impact things and we had no info anyway.

Tomorrow should be much less frantic last-minute....

[Kuruharan]

No empowerment from this thread toDAY.

[Nogrod]

I think that no-empowerment was a decent result toDay from us - and a nice little warning how easily things go astray also here unless we are more careful.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Kuru

No empowerment from this thread toDAY.

Feel free to make fun of our pathetic-ness.

And soon it will be Night. And who to check, Nog or Agan. I suppose we ought to hear from her first.

[Nogrod]

Btw. welcome Aganzir!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And soon it will be Night. And who to check, Nog or Agan. I suppose we ought to hear from her first.

I think there is no question we check you first. Now c'mon...

[the phantom]

Whatever. Lynches are priority before Night kills. Not to mention I'm the most objectively innocent person in the thread. It was me that led the charge to try and hand the innocent their best possible shot at tangible information and I was Wolf-killed. I am more innocent than you and Agan.

Insisting on checking me just makes me think you're keen to waste our Night-check ability.

[Kuruharan]

The mists parted and revealed the figure of Aganzir moving toward the assembled group.

They offered Aganzir some of the cake and then began the process of probing their true natures....

But...what was this...the mists stir again..? This wasn't supposed to happen!!!!

What is A Little Green doing here?!

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne
Aganzir
A Little Green

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Kath

Illusion:
Gwathagor(Ordo)

Housekeeping Note: Due to a family committment tomorrow, I will be starting DAY 3 at 7 PM EST tomorrow. Please have your pick made by then. I thought making the DAY longer was more fair than making the NIGHT longer.

[the phantom]

What! WHAT!! Little Green is here!

Agan as the Hunter I'm inclined to think, ha ha ha.

Well well... THIS changes things. It seems Greenie is the one to check now.

[the phantom]

All I can say is that if Agan is the Hunter-

(1) She was Gifted, thus I have more faith in my notebook Gifted marks.
(2) She played the role more brazenly than I would've.
(3) I really want to talk to her (and Greenie for that matter).

[the phantom]

Living narration is up. It definitely looks like the work of a Hunter. Whether it was worthy of celebration, we shall see...

*waves to the new arrivals*

[the phantom]

One thing we do know for certain at this point- the Dead Thread is undoubtedly the most interesting and good-looking.

[Nogrod]

I was just about to post a decently lengthy post when I saw what is going on...

Whoa!

It really changes things, considerably.

Welcome Greenie!


But the NBA final is pretty cool thus far - the little I've been able to follow it (I'll now watch it to the end and come back later this Night).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

One thing we do know for certain at this point- the Dead Thread is undoubtedly the most interesting and good-looking.

And more comprehensible - or readable.

[Nogrod]

Btw. what was this talk of filling the halls of the dead with Europeans?

*searching for the culprit*

[Nogrod]

The next Day-phase will start three hours before the normal?

Let's remember that. (And be happy getting to sleep in time.)

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

But the NBA final is pretty cool thus far -

Definitely enjoying it.

And yes, dead Europeans, meaning there will be times when I will be the one unable to converse while everyone else is present.

[the phantom]

Nearly forgot to mention this.



A well placed arrow, dearie.

[the phantom]

Anyway, sleeping for a couple hours, brief check-in, then gone for another few hours, but I should be hovering about for most of the final six hours.

[A Little Green]

Well, whoever wanted to fill the Dead Thread with Europeans is having a field day right now! Hello, boys.

...Three pages? Seriously? I'll give it a read and see if it's all about football.

[A Little Green]

OK, more NBA than football apparently.

Anyhow, there's something I picked up yesterDay but didn't say in case it drew attention to the Seer. Does anyone else find this quote by Sally rather curious?

Originally Posted by Sally

I suppose that's possible. So is the rival wolf pack perhaps thinking he was trying to delay a lynch to give the baddies an advantage.

The rival wolf pack? This was before her analysis of Rune in which she presents her odd theory that Rune was killed for being a potential member of the other Wolfgang. Here, Rikae suggests Rune might have looked Seerish to the wolves and Sally interprets that as the wolves thinking Rune is a wolf trying to look Seerish. Which to me suggests she either a) knows Rune is a wolf, a.k.a. is the Seer, or b) knows the pack targeted Rune for looking like a wolf, a.k.a. is a wolf herself. Or else she is an ordo overconfident in her theory (already before she goes back to analyse Rune's posting? I don't think so), or else she did that on purpose and is a mastermind. I did look through Sally's posting and didn't really see anything else there that would point to her being the Seer, but I don't understand why the wolves would have targeted Rune for looking like a wolf, either. Also, it would be a bit of an odd coincidence if Sally dreamed Rune and the wolves killed him the same night. Any ideas?

Also, Nog? I'm impressed by your "not staying up until deadline".

[Aganzir]

Well. I did tell you I wouldn't come here alone.

Also, dead Europeans.

I'm on my way to my cottage for some weekend roleplaying shenanigans but I'll be back later when I'm actually there and not in the metro.

I'd prefer to find out Greenie's role tonight because she seems more suspicious to me than Nog ever did.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am very sorry, but after having been working at the office since 6:30am, and then going straight to a bartending-job until 2 am, I simply fell a sleep in front of my computer whilst contemplating who to vote for.

Anyways, I have more time on my hands this weekend, so I plan on actually contributing.

[Nogrod]

I know I have made this kind of promises quite a few times - and almost always broken them - but now I really have to try and play a little less just to be able to wake up in the mornings... So no more DL-playing for me, at least everyday.


So toNight's our first Night we can vote to find out someone's alignment - and it seems that all ties are going to result in nothing happening so let's first and foremost take care that doesn't happen.

Only two of us (myself and the phantom) managed to mess our voting in the end of the Day - so even if it wasn't that important yesterDay (it wouldn't have changed anything) and even if it was kind of a good thing in the end (with no extra-vote given there are no "messages sent" for the wolves to try and use to twist things to their favour) - so let's be careful we get a result toNight.


That said I'm not myself that sure whom we should check (although I do have an opinion on it) - and we should discuss the pro's and the con's of different choices.

My top candidate would be the phantom. Not only because I think finding out his alignment could really shed some light to some other people's roles, but also just because of our situation here: with tp sitting as the only American to whom the DL is an easy thing and able to make the last word (if we Europeans are already sleeping - which I really intend to do more often from now on) we should really know what he is up to. I mean if he is a wolf we'd need to secure a two-vote lead to anyone we wish to gain our extra-vote / whom to check before going to sleep.

Not to mention tp's obvious reluctance to be checked...

The only decent rivalling option is - I'd say - Greenie. I'm quite confused with her as usual. She's a sneaky wolf if there ever is one, nicely staying out of the heat, and thence if she is a wolf it would be a neat catch. But then again I'm thinking of the information value (to the Living or to us) of that and whether it is bigger than if we knew should we trust tp?

There's not that much we could learn knowing Rune's alignment - or mine to that matter. We were in the game for one Day and left pretty little to be interpreted (basically the later people come here the more interesting they are / the higher information value they have as they have had time to interact with others in the living thread and to make votes).

Naturally every piece of information is good. With Rune's alignment we might (stressing the word: might) get some clues as to whether he was thought to be the Seer by someone, or maybe if he were a wolf by rereading his posts to see if there were anything of interest in his relations to others?

With my innocence we could... well know it was a rivalling bandwagon-Day between hunter and an innocent - not that sure how much it helps (well yes, if I was a wolf then those not voting for me could be seen as possible wolves trying to save me - but that doesn't actually narrow things down that much).


I think I've said it already before, but I'm pretty much okay if you want to check me out. That's fine for me.

But I do think checking the phantom - or Greenie - would be a lot better idea and giving us more information (& with tp's case some pretty vital info as to whether we can trust him to give the last votes here).

[A Little Green]

I agree that in general it makes more sense to check lynches than Night kills. So.. Nog? I think he's seemed quite innocent this far, but the village doesn't seem to share my view on the matter - and anyway if I remember correctly he was the one they were mostly requesting that we'd check. Nog suggested checking phantom which I'm also fine with. I think he, too, is more likely to be an ordo - but then, I think he's better at fooling me than Nog is. Also feel free to check me if you think that will help shed light on things, though *spoiler alert* I'm boring ungifted prey. Checking Rune or Agan seems a bit fruitless at this point, too.

[Nogrod]

I think we should base our decisions on the foreseeable information-value of the one checked rather than an abstract rule or what some of the villagers want us to do. (it was, I think, mainly Boro who made it his mission yesterDay to hammer it home in several posts that we here should check me - and I have reasons to believe tp and Boro have things going on together: you can find some from this thread - I'll be back with them later as now I'm needing to be off)

Also. Our chances of getting information through during normal Days is pretty small - and everything can be twisted by active wolves down there. There is just too much room for interpretation with our extra-votes to work properly as a channel of information.

But when we hopefully get a visitor here - hopefully somewhat later though - then we should be able to give her/him as much and as useful information we can.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

Not to mention tp's obvious reluctance to be checked...

I'm not reluctant. Rather, I adamantly refuse to be checked.

(1) I'm an Ordo, and I know I'm an Ordo, and any Wolves that may be on this thread probably think I'm an Ordo. Green seems to think me innocent. I think Agan does too. Checking me would be of little value here.
(2) The Living are highly unlikely to request my identity after the events of yesterday. They'll want Nog and Green both before me. Lommy, Boro, Mac, etc.- there will be enough of them that will write me off as an Ordo.
(3) Look at the lynch I was involved with on the first day. All that I did was drive the Nog-bus which saved Agan, who turned out to be THE HUNTER! It's not as if any Wolfish info can be gathered from the fact that I killed Nog and saved Agan.

So why on earth do you wish to gather information that is both useless and unlikely to be asked for? The very idea of pushing for a check of my identity is preposterous. If you are not a Wolf, then you will have some serious explaining to do after the game, because you are deliberately trying to waste our Night ability. Similar to the way that you, while alive, were deliberately trying to stand in the way of setting up a system for the Dead to pass valuable info to the Living. Now you're trying to throw a wrench into the system from the Dead Thread.

[the phantom]

There are two options, Green and Nog.

Rune and Agan- what is your opinion on the matter?

Should we consider the prospect of redundant information? In other words, there isn't a point to checking someone that the Seer has already checked. Thus if Legate is the Seer then Nerwen, Lommy, and Mith are cleared and Green is already dreamed guilty, thus Nog is the obvious choice for our power.

But if the Seer is someone else and Green has not been checked then she may be the best choice.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Noggins

My top candidate would be the phantom. Not only because I think finding out his alignment could really shed some light to some other people's roles, but also just because of our situation here: with tp sitting as the only American to whom the DL is an easy thing and able to make the last word (if we Europeans are already sleeping - which I really intend to do more often from now on) we should really know what he is up to. I mean if he is a wolf we'd need to secure a two-vote lead to anyone we wish to gain our extra-vote / whom to check before going to sleep.

It is of course completely true that Mr. P. Has a strategic advantage, but is this really reason enough for him to be tonight’s choice? In fact it strikes me as a bit odd that you put so much weight into this advantage... After the rest of us can just do the talking when he is not around, and (hopefully) come to some agreement, leaving TP powerless. Or, if it is all about the strategic advantage (Which will only be an advantage, until a substantial amount of North Americans have been butchered), we could decide to screw up our lives and daily routines by staying up.

Personally I would much rather stick to picking a non-wolf kill, at least in the beginning. Though TP and Noggins are two people I would normally dream of the first were I the seer, maybe it is correct that getting to know their true identities, might not yield enough additional information.

Anyways, I am mostly inclined to vote for Greenie, or perhaps Nogrod.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

I'm not reluctant. Rather, I adamantly refuse to be checked.

Darling, you do realise that isn't how it works. The rest of us are a majority, and so technically if we decided to check you we could, regardless of whether you adamantly refused it or not.

Originally Posted by phantom

(1) I'm an Ordo, and I know I'm an Ordo, and any Wolves that may be on this thread probably think I'm an Ordo. Green seems to think me innocent. I think Agan does too. Checking me would be of little value here.
(2) The Living are highly unlikely to request my identity after the events of yesterday. They'll want Nog and Green both before me. Lommy, Boro, Mac, etc.- there will be enough of them that will write me off as an Ordo.
(3) Look at the lynch I was involved with on the first day. All that I did was drive the Nog-bus which saved Agan, who turned out to be THE HUNTER! It's not as if any Wolfish info can be gathered from the fact that I killed Nog and saved Agan.

I doubt anyone (except maybe Boro) is "writing you off as an innocent" just yet. I'm certainly not. All I said was that I think it's more likely you're innocent. Apart from what read I can get from your posting, it is also true (though this is getting quite meta and therefore not all that reliable) that you are a fairly likely early dream for the Seer, and if the Seer dreamed you it's fairly likely you're not a wolf since we haven't seen anyone claim the contrary. So - I'm guessing you're innocent but I don't trust you yet.

Originally Posted by phantom

So why on earth do you wish to gather information that is both useless and unlikely to be asked for? The very idea of pushing for a check of my identity is preposterous. If you are not a Wolf, then you will have some serious explaining to do after the game, because you are deliberately trying to waste our Night ability. Similar to the way that you, while alive, were deliberately trying to stand in the way of setting up a system for the Dead to pass valuable info to the Living. Now you're trying to throw a wrench into the system from the Dead Thread.

That said, you do have to allow for differences of opinion about what is useful/likely to work/whatever. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a wolf. Also, don't be so surprised we don't trust you - in a game like this we'd be barking mad not to be wary of everyone who isn't a known innocent, and we all know you're clever enough to act as innocently as you're now doing regardless of your role. There. Enough flattery to keep you happy?

As for toNight's vote, I'd prefer Nogrod over myself since I know I'm an ordo and thus checking me definitely won't give us a wolf (though I'm not convinced checking Nog will, either). I do realise the rest of you can't know that, so if you think it's worth your while then by all means check me. Also Legate isn't the Seer, so I'd advise against basing too many schemes on that assumption.

[Aganzir]

I'm also inclined to vote for Greenie or Nog.

I'm obviously curious about Greenie because my main reason for suspecting her wasn't based on anything she said (she was the perfect voice of reason most of the time) but how she said it, and she made me uneasy even before Legate started talking about her. Then again I always suspect her, as she kindly reminded me when I woke up in the morning.

I wasn't particularly suspicious of Nog (I kind of saw where he was coming from when he voted for me on DAY 1, and it was really my own fault for not specifying I liked his post even though I disagreed with a lot of his ideas because the way he explained them, they had merit, so it really looked like buddying up) but his tirade for checking the phantom could also be a wolf's clever counter attack.

I was freely dropping gifted hints during my short and eventful life, and whatever it means, the wolves didn't react to them (or at least the suspicion I'd garnered weighed more than my potential giftedness). I knew phantom picked up on them, and Boro did too, even if I'm not sure when. The fact that he brought it up yesterday in the thread when I was about to be lynched makes me feel better about him because that's something he didn't have to do. Therefore I don't buy Nog's worry about his and phantom's weird relationship (I kind of wish they were lovers though, they'd be the couple we've been waiting all our life ).

So yeah, I'm up for either. (Only after dinner though.)

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Runne

It is of course completely true that Mr. P. Has a strategic advantage, but is this really reason enough for him to be tonight’s choice? In fact it strikes me as a bit odd that you put so much weight into this advantage... After the rest of us can just do the talking when he is not around, and (hopefully) come to some agreement, leaving TP powerless. Or, if it is all about the strategic advantage (Which will only be an advantage, until a substantial amount of North Americans have been butchered), we could decide to screw up our lives and daily routines by staying up.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you but I'm definitely not staying up until deadline! Also, it's true that the "advantage" of being the only one around at deadline isn't all that significant. If the rest of us have already voted, there isn't much the last person can do to sway the whole thing. And even if there was, I don't see a way it could be done without him revealing his cards at the same time, and thus us knowing his alignment wouldn't prevent it. Does that make sense? It made sense in my head but I'm not sure it's understandable to anyone else.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan