![]() |
![]() |
Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page |
![]() |
#81 | |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
*wipes froth from moustache*
Ah! That was good. Now, where was I? Oh yes. While we're discussing the laws decreed by our esteemed Mayor, there's another thing that occupied my mind during my morning labour: Quote:
All this only as long as none of our gifteds has revealed, of course; in which case it's our duty to Guard them. But I admit, I haven't really thought this through completely. Just thought I'd bring it up for discussion - what do you think? (x-ed with Nog and everybody after him, need to digest)
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#82 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
Quote:
![]() Wish I had time to discuss it more. Since I don't, ++Guard Boro and ++wilwarin538 Nothing personal, m'dear; just a crack theory I have right now...
__________________
Got corsets? |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#83 |
Reflection of Darkness
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull.
Posts: 2,983
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yikes, I just realised I probably have to vote in less than an hour. Deadline is in the middle of my day which is inconvenient, so I may or may not be back before then.
About this whole seer reveal thing. While on one hand it sounds like a great way to keep the seer both alive and dreaming, it's true that so many things could go wrong. Not only could there be counter-reveals, but if we are unlucky enough to have our ranger killed overNight, then we'll definitely be in trouble. I agree it's certainly something we could do further up the road, in a few Days or at least after the seer has dreamt of a wolf. But Day One seems awfully early for a seer reveal, and really just too risky. Okay, I don't have time to say much more and I do have to vote shortly. Unfortunately, it'll have to be somewhat random; my bad since I could've done better than random if I had woken up earlier to allow more time. ![]()
__________________
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#84 | |
A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In that far land beyond the Sea
Posts: 7,431
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
But it indeed seems - or at least you support me in thinking so - that if we have 4 WWs and Guard one of them, there will be only one kill per Night. Isn't it a bit strong? Well, maybe (though it could be argued that we have little chance to pick and guard a Wolf early on, and later on, again, we will probably have only three WWs, so not much of a difference). But indeed, in the beginning, it might be interesting to try to vote for some "ambiguous" players and thus see if we can either protect a person or with good enough luck nail a totally unsuspicious Wolf. Let's not overdo it, however, as by protecting a Wolf, we are sort of throwing away the tool to keep alive those players to whom we trust, which is the main point of this Guard thing. I think at least after we have just 3 Wolves it loses its sense to guard people who we think are Wolves. (Although, still we'd protect them from communicating with their packmates, but then - well, not that important in comparison to protecting somebody, I think, although it would be a nice experiment to create nice havoc among the Wolves ![]() Enough of rant, anyway, conclusion from this: I am really wondering about voting to protect Lommy then, like I said already above with the same reasons. But I'll see - I'll probably be gone now for a while, but hope to post at least once to vote before the DL, and see what's up. Till then, probably... EDIT: x-ed since Mnemo
__________________
"Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#85 | |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
Apart from that, I pretty much agree with you.
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#86 | ||||
Laconic Loreman
|
Quote:
![]() Quote:
Quote:
"Hey lets get the seer to reveal and have us and the Ranger switch off proteting." A loud "NO!" from the crowd. Mnemo: "Oh, ok, guess I was wrong...so who's a wolf?" She's thought it out and defended it quite well, and I don't agree with sally at all about it being cheap. Hey, we use the toys the mod-god gives us...If the wolves think it's cheap, they need to quit their whining and figure out how they want to beat it. My only reservation is, as Kitanna said, it shouldn't absolve her. It's not like wolves can't come up with an apparently helpful, ingenius idea, only then to tell her packmates to mess it up. Quote:
Like, say we could hope to protect one of the no-trail kills, to try and force the wolves to actually kill someone who will leave a trail back to them. How it stands now though, I think I'll go with option one today, because there be still too many no-trailers for the wolves to pick off. Edit: crossed with everyone since Pitch
__________________
Fenris Penguin
|
||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#87 | |||
Flame of the Ainulindalë
|
Somehow I do find this a bit unsettling:
Quote:
I mean, on the other hand she says it's not a faultless plan (which it isn't) and thence it would be safer not to execute it. On the other hand she says it is unfair, even cheating, and it would be fairer not to do it. Now whatever way you look at it you can come up with one message behind the conflicting scenarios: don't do it! And I tend to think the wolves would be the ones to face tougher choices if we did it. So...? Also I find this follow-up interesting: Quote:
Hmm... Also pay heed to the "moral high-ground arguments" she uses - continued by Legate agreeing with Lommy (and his general reluctance on the matter): Quote:
![]() Yay Pitchwife! I had forgotten that! If we protect a wolf as a village there will be only one kill! So with two "revealed" seers we'd have 50-50 chance of suffering only one kill during the Night! EDIT: X'd from Mnemo onwards...
__________________
Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... |
|||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#88 | |
Flame of the Ainulindalë
|
Quote:
So compare that to what Lommy and Legate say about us cheating a victory or having an inbalanced game... ![]() Makes me think Brinn quite good at this point.
__________________
Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#89 |
Reflection of Darkness
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull.
Posts: 2,983
![]() ![]() ![]() |
Must really go now.
Legate so far seems the most sensible and reasonable and innocentish, so I'll pick him to guard: ++Legate As for a lynch vote...much more difficult. No one stands out as suspicious to me just now so it'll have to be complete random toDay. A lot of players still haven't posted, and hopefully they will show up, but for now I will vote for someone who is not making a contribution. ++McCaber Hopefully my participation will be better toMorrow. At least deadline will be a bit better in my new time zone..
__________________
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#90 |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No joke? I had just come across one of her posts and was thinking "I wonder if Wilwa could be a....oh look, she's got a vote!" Awkward.
And I like Pitchie's post re: guarding wolves. Could it be taken as far as this? Say we guard Formie. (I'll use him since he's not in the game.) Saucie, Mith, and Roa are the other wolves (again, just hypothetical) but since we've guarded Formie they only get one kill. If there's only one kill and no ranger save, can't we assume that whoever we guarded the Night before is a wolf? Or am I nuts? (Or both, because I know what Mnemo would want to say to that.) With that in mind, and I'm not saying we should, but if we suspect two people a lot on a certain Day (when there are still four wolves of course) we can lynch one and guard the other, so that way we (hopefully) decrease the kills for the following Night no matter what. Sound good? Or again, am I nuts? EDIT: x'd since....Mnemo's last, I believe
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
Last edited by satansaloser2005; 09-01-2009 at 10:55 AM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#91 | |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
Quote:
__________________
Got corsets? |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#92 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
I think that Pitchwife brought an interesting point about guarding someone who might be a quiet wolf. I think that it might actually be a good idea and something to think about for toDay. Since it is quite hard to make any suspicions or to know enough about someone to trust them toDay we could guard someone in the hopes of getting a quiet wolf. We can and should use guarding to actually guard someone during the Night after toDay but I think that using it to try and give us some more information for toMorrow might be a good idea. Just a thought.
Edit: x-ed since 89
__________________
Puddle! Puddle! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#93 | |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
Steve, oh high and mighty mod, would you tell us if there was a ranger save or just let us wonder? *bows, backs away humbly*
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#94 | |
Wisest of the Noldor
|
Quote:
However, I think it might be worth following Pitchwife's suggestion (of Guarding someone in the not-quite-suspicious-enough-to-lynch class), but only if nobody else looks shiningly innocent enough to be an obvious target. EDIT:X'd since Sally at #90.
__________________
"Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#95 | |
Leaf-clad Lady
|
Quote:
Also, I don't like that "So...?" in the end. It looks evil. ![]() ![]() EDIT: x-ed since Brinn's vote
__________________
"But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created." |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#96 | |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
Really, I'm up for anything. This whole guarding thing is super cool, man. EDIT: x'd with greenie *glomps her*
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#97 | ||||
Laconic Loreman
|
So, Mnemo unveils her plan straight away, and has to adjust the original idea, because the Mayor said we can't Night guard the same person two nights in a row. That is how I understand the Ranger was brought into the situation.
Now lets just see what everyone's said about it... wilwa in post 8: Quote:
![]() Kitanna's post 9 Quote:
Plus, it really wouldn't be difficult to organize. Seer reveals, we protect seer Night 1 (the ranger will know because who we Night guard is known) then Ranger takes seer next night. The risk is since everyone is not on the same page with the plan, it would be unwise to do it right away, for only chaos can ensue from innocents not being on the same page, add on top wolves trying to mess things up. Kitanna in 13 too caught my attention Quote:
And Inzil's 22 is why I said he was looking like a wolf to me again Quote:
Did you really think we would be foolish enough to just go full steam ahead with an unconventional plan and not talk it out before asking the seer to reveal? I have to stop here, I thought I'd be able to cram everything in, in roughly 40 minutes, but can't. I'll finish with the rest of the reactions to Mnemo's plan, when I get back, and then vote. Edit: crossed since sally's post 90
__________________
Fenris Penguin
|
||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#98 |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have a premonition our apothecary will be foaming at the mouth when he hears this - and honestly, I don't like it either. Much too easy.
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#99 | |
Leaf-clad Lady
|
Quote:
__________________
"But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created." |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#100 |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You may call me Pitchie, or Pitch, and I'll call you Greenie, ok?
I know the question of voting non-talkers has been widely discussed in other villages before, and I've somewhat changed my mind about it myself. I just don't think it quite fair to condemn somebody in their absence, and those who haven't talked toDay may do so toMorrow, or if they don't, we can leave it to the Mayor to deal with them.
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#101 |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
For now.
++Guard Mnemo I'll think about my lynch vote for now, but I think Mnemo is innocent and I like having someone on my side who looks at things from a different point of view (e.g. the seer reveal thing). I'm thinking of Wilwa for a possible vote but that was a "whoa, look!" type thing, so I might change my mind, especially if someone else catches my attention. I'll do a vote count now, savvy? ![]()
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#102 | |
Leaf-clad Lady
|
A sidenote: I hate Day 1s in large villages like this one because there are just too many people to look at and it's all a confusion trying to remember who said what and to even pay attention to everyone. Maybe I'll make a list at some point, though I bet it'll be a waste of space given how little I have to say at the moment.
Quote:
![]() EDIT: x-ed with Pitchie and Sally
__________________
"But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created." |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#103 |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Lynch:
Nilp-->Nilp Mnemo-->Wilwa Brinn-->Cabbie Guard: Mnemo-->Boro Brinn-->Legate Sally-->Mnemo My head, it pounds. I really do need to get off for a while and do some housework if nothing else. Leave some (but not lots? meh) for me to read when I get back in an hour or so. ![]()
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#104 |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Legate, when you come back, would you mind explaining the reasoning behind your Guarding suggestions (Nerwen and Lommy)? I agree that Nerwen's been rather reasonable in her few posts, Lommy slightly less so from my perspective; I certainly don't grudge either of them the protection, but what exactly makes them stand out from others who have talked as much? (Not meaning myself - I'm just an ordo, no use Guarding me.)
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#105 |
Werewolf Psychic
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water.
Posts: 2,832
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
*foams at the mouth*
Now that that's out of the way... I think Legate and Lommy look odd and I think Mnemo's lack of explanation of her wilwa vote seems fishy. Regarding her plan, though, I think it's a good one, and if we do decide to execute it today (which, although probably not going to occur, I am not against), we'd have a protected Seer from the beginning, which is no small occurrence... especially with the recent wolfish (and innocent) track record of killing the Seer day/night 1 (I think it's been three games in a row now, right?) Anyway, vote soonish, I have a lot going on today (hi Brinn.)
__________________
Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#106 |
Wisest of the Noldor
|
Well, I have to vote now– and alas! I have no time to sing you a farewell song!
Guard: ++Legate Likely to be a target if innocent; at the same time, he's making me slightly uneasy for some reason I can't put my finger on. So, I think he's a good choice however you look at it. Lynch: ++Kitanna Reason: apparent jittery reaction to Mnemo's plan. All her points are fine, understand, but again there is something that doesn't sit quite right with me. This is just the usual weak Day One reason for voting: I don't have a proper case against Kit, or anyone. I mean, I could have voted Wilwa for the same thing, but I'm not ready to jump on Mnemo's vote, when she never gave a reason. EDIT: X'd since Sally.
__________________
"Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 09-01-2009 at 12:26 PM. Reason: EDIT2: addition. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#107 |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Time to start thinking about my own vote. Up to now, those whose contributions I like best are (in alphabetical order, not in order of preference) Boro, Mnemo and Nog; all of them have produced well-reasoned arguments, and I think we should definitely keep them around, so I'll probably vote to Guard one of them. I'd like to include Legate, but I'm with Nerwen here - something about him doesn't feel quite sound; I'll need to hear from and think about him some more. I'm starting to like Nerwen herself quite well, too, though she hasn't yet impressed me quite as much as those mentioned above - which may just be because her style is less openly controversial.
Picking a lynch candidate will be much more difficult. At the moment, Kitanna does look most fishy, for reasons given by Boro (#97) and, again, Nerwen (#106). Others: Brinn - don't like her vote, but otherwise she looks ok; Lommy - good point by Nogrod in #87 (about her switching arguments and the moral high ground); Sally - what Nog said about Lommy also applies to her #77; otherwise she's been very active and doesn't look really bad; I like the reason she gave for her Guard vote. wilwa - not sure; I'd like to hear Mnemo explain where her vote for wilwa comes from; her interaction with Mnemo could be a wolf grabbing a controversial topic as a chance to stir discord, could be innocent. Haven't really formed an opinion about Greenie, Inzil, Nienna, Shasta (of those who've talked at all).
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#108 |
Flame of the Ainulindalë
|
I might join this "guard Legate" bandwagon just to remove one kill from the coming Night... or then saving a misguided innocent who'd try a bit better toMorrow (or later toDay).
I mean really, I was not sure I belived what I saw when I was looking at his first postings toDay. An intelligent guy like him talking against the revealment-plan from totally weird angles that had nothing to do with the reality we're facing. To be honest it looked like "let's torpedo this plan with whatever I can come up with" - and failing... Not surprisingly I found the same agenda from Lommy's posting while Legate then went on saying he trusted her the most as the protegee for toNight... It just fits too well... to be true. ![]() Anyway and all in all, that is not probably enough for me to vote either of them as losing one of them as an innocent on Day1 would be bad and that kind of teamwork would be too open even for them. But if I die soon I can at least say "I told you so" later. ![]() I'll be back in a short while with some more general thoughts about our situation as how I see it. EDIT: X'd with "Pitchie" ![]()
__________________
Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#109 |
Child of the West
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn
Posts: 2,132
![]() ![]() |
I don't have the time toDay to read everything I've missed. But my guard vote won't be totally random. I was going to vote to guard Mnemo, but since she stirred up a lot of discussion she doesn't seem a likely Night 2 kill. Rather I'd like to guard one of those who haven't spoken yet. These sorts are usually kills early on because they leave no trail for the villagers. So that leaves Hakon and alonariel as the only two who have yet to say anything.
++Guard Hakon alonariel gave a reason for being absent, but Hakon has said nothing.
__________________
"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#110 |
Werewolf Psychic
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water.
Posts: 2,832
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So we should reward him?
Anyway, I have to vote now. Thought about voting Mnemo, but that seemed too much like penalizing her for an original thought, so I'm going to ++Lommy and ++Legate.
__________________
Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#111 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Skyrim, again.
Posts: 820
![]() |
All right, all right. I'll get up. You topsiders have no consideration for some people's schedules.
So my thoughts on the day this far: Dang, there are a lot of people. It's going to be touch and go for a while, what with these two kills a night business. But hopefully we can pull off a protect choice that limits the wolves. Although we shouldn't be hasty to lynch someone we protected if there's only one kill. That seems to be a very easy way for the pack to manipulate the village. Granted, it would only work one time at most, but it could still backfire horribly.
__________________
Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#112 | |||
Laconic Loreman
|
Continuing then...as a matter of aside, I really hate financial advising appointments. I mean really is it necessary to take hours to only learn you have no money?
![]() Nienna in 28 Quote:
![]() So we reach Legate in #33, I think this was before the post where Nogrod points to taking a moral high-ground. Others have already brought up that the Ranger wouldn't have to reveal, but I want to look at this (bold my emphasis)... Quote:
Most of the wolf-lynchings that happen are done by our own work and sweat, and a sprinkle of good fortune. Any information a seer gives is valuable, whether the seer knows wolves or not. Known innocents may become a night target, but it also limits the unknown number, thus increasing our chances to lynch a wolf during the day. Sorry, saying the seer would be no use unless the seer has a wolf is just wrong. Greenie in 36: Quote:
And that's about all I feel like commenting on, or what hasn't been said/who hasn't been pointed out. For, I concur with Nogrod about Lommy objecting because it would be unfair to the wolves. Although, sally hints at the same thing, and I really don't find her suspicious. I just wish ye both would get out of your heads that we have to play nicely with the wolves. ![]() Edit: crossed with Kit and on.
__________________
Fenris Penguin
|
|||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#113 |
Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall
Posts: 3,329
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Kit, just when I've reluctantly decided you're my prime suspect, you have to say something I can see sense in (even if I don't agree)!*sigh*
You forgot McCaber, by the way. (Cancel that - he just showed up.) Nog, while I agree that Legate seems to have missed some points in his early posts, which of his angles do you find blatantly weird and out of touch with reality? Asking because it might help me to clarify my own impression of him. EDIT: x-ed with Boro; applause, applause! And sorry for forgetting Nilp in my earlier list, but he seems to be just in character, both in- and meta-gamewise, so nothing to go on.
__________________
Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI Last edited by Pitchwife; 09-01-2009 at 02:02 PM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#114 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
|
I have absolutely no idea who to vote for for either the guard or the lynch.
We are down to 2 hours before deadline I believe. I'm going to go back through and see if I can dig up anything. No one is really setting off my radar or screaming wolf at me. Mnemo's plan was a little out there but it would be a really risky wolf move and I don't know if she is a risky wolf or not. Edit: x-ed since Shasta
__________________
Puddle! Puddle! |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#115 |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Lynch:
Nilp-->Nilp Mnemo-->Wilwa Brinn-->Cabbie Nerwen-->Kit Shasta-->Lommie Guard: Mnemo-->Boro Brinn-->Legate Sally-->Mnemo Nerwen-->Legate Kit-->Hakon Shasta-->Legate (3) I don't agree with Kit's reasoning for guarding Hakon. If she's innocent, it's not the best strategy (in my opinion it's better to protect people who aren't simply MIA, though I'm sure Hakon has a reason) although she does have a point about tendencies in wolf kills. (I actually guarded Mnemo because I know how unpredictable wolves can be if they like, so I don't put anything past anyone.) If she (Kit, that is) is guilty, however, there's a couple explanations. It could be a throwaway on a packmate, thinking no one will follow her and so Hakon's activity won't get blocked. Dangerous, but you never know. It could be a throwaway on an innocent, thinking no one will follow her and someone will believe the above. Makes a bit of sense to me, actually. It could be an attempt to divert votes from a packmate (Legate?) so her furry friend(s) can kill at full capacity. Makes a lot of sense, but may be too obvious. It could be an attempt to divert votes from someone she would like to kill toNight, a hope of getting people to vote Hakon so they don't try to protect X/Y. Also makes sense but wolves are flexible if they have to be so I don't like this one quite as much. (By the same token maybe she thinks people will try to protect someone who's not been guard voted yet but who she thinks would be a usual choice. This theory could work for either of the last two.) The thing is the I don't think a wolf Kit would guard a wolf Hakon and intend for him to actually be guarded; you can do your own maths on that one. So if Kit turns out to be a wolf down the line I'm going to say that either she's being tricksy or Hakon's innocent. Need a drink (because you totally care, of course!) and to do some laundry. Back in a while. EDIT: x'd since Shasta's vote
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#116 |
Child of the West
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Watching President Fillmore ride a unicorn
Posts: 2,132
![]() ![]() |
I have about seven minutes to get back to work.
I've been mulling over the thread, trying to find something/someone who jumps out. Mnemo and Wilwa both jumped out initially, but neither one feels particularly wicked. Of other, more vocal players, no one has said anything of note that I find over whelming suspicious. The only things I've seen that worried me are Mnemo's vote for Wilwa, but I think that's probably a time constraint thing, and then there's Brinn's vote for McCaber. She stated her vote would be somewhat random, but it surprises me she would pick someone who hadn't yet posted. But I'm down to the wire and have to vote now. I will be more active on Day 2 because work doesn't fall on the deadline that day. ++Brinn Kinda random, I don't care that she voted randomly for McCaber. That's something I would do, but she gave a reason that "he wasn't contributing" and that doesn't seem right to me. Granted my own reasons for voting Brinn aren't much better. However, I am at a loss for a real suspect.
__________________
"Let us live so that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#117 | |
The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly
Posts: 5,789
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quote:
For example: Formie, Saucie, Roa, and Mith are wolves. They think Agan is the seer, so they go along with a 'guard Agan' bandwagon and the following Night send in only one kill. Poof! Instant Agan lynch, more or less. I'm not saying the theory isn't flawed, because it certainly is. I just think that in certain circumstances it would be worth the risk. (For instance, if it was rather later in the game and we still had all four wolves I'd be willing to perhaps base a wolf case off it, and ties between guarded suspects may help in that situation. Horribly explained this bit, but it makes sense in my head, I swear. ![]()
__________________
"My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#118 |
Laconic Loreman
|
What's the reasoning behind Legate being someone we should guard again? Sorry, just not getting it.
__________________
Fenris Penguin
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#119 |
Flame of the Ainulindalë
|
Just to avoid any false attacks by the wolves I'll open with this statement I (and many others) have already made: the seer is solely responsible for her/his choices. What we others can and should do is to give her/him some food for thought to base / help her/his decisions on. There are so many voices around here... for good and for evil.
But how I see this is the following. Premise 1. Having a continuos protection for the seer from Day1 on would be absolutely great for us - and absolutely horrible for the wolves. Premise 2. The plan is not "certain". For... 2.1. We can only protect the seer every Night as long as the ranger lives. 2.2. The wolves can "counter-reveal" making it hard for us to choose between the two. 2.3. As it is said that there are some secret roles, there is a possibility one of them might spoil the plan (although there is no cobbler which would have ruined the plan from the very beginning). Premise 3. Every villager hopes for the best of the village according to their understanding of the situation. The wolves need to consider whether to try openly to contest the best of the village trying to steer the opinions towards their favour or whether to go along with it to look good. 3.1. It's not always self-evident what is for the best of the village - especially with some new rules / set-ups for the game. 3.2. Intelligent wolves can make the difference and make the villagers to act against the good of the village despite their good intentions. Postulate to 3. We need to discuss it so that as many as possible would have as much information possible of the different views to form their own ideas about the best for the village. Blah... it was fun as long as I had energy to continue... but it starts to feel like a bit too work-a-holic -way of doing this. ![]() So I'll just make my "deductions" from these premises in a fairly normal post in a short while... EDIT: Oh my! Since when you all started to post? ![]()
__________________
Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#120 | ||
Leaf-clad Lady
|
Quote:
I'll vote soon and be off to bed. I don't have much on anyone except Nog, to be honest, dunno why since he hasn't been the most vocal toDay or anything, he just keeps saying stuff that rubs me the wrong way. Like this: Quote:
Am I sure of his being a wolf? No I'm not. BUT I'm more suspicious of him than I believe I've ever been of anyone on Day1. So, unless miracles happen, I'll lynch-vote Nogrod toDay. I haven't given much thought to my guard-vote as yet. EDIT: x-ed with Sally, Boro and Noggers
__________________
"But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created." |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|
![]() |