The "is it" game - Page 3 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Evisse the Blue · 07-22-2004, 07:34 AM

is it a singer?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-22-2004, 08:29 AM

Is it the son of a singer?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 09:29 AM

It is not Bëor (who sang when they reached Beleriand) or his son Baran.

Morsul the Dark · 07-22-2004, 10:08 AM

is it a man in the fellowship who died protecting merry and pippin?

paavo · 07-22-2004, 10:38 AM

is it a mystery (at least partly)?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 11:09 AM

It is not Boromir and it is not Berúthiel's cats.

Morsul the Dark · 07-22-2004, 11:12 AM

is it a man that shot smaug with a black arrow?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 11:13 AM

It is not Bard.

Gil-Galad · 07-22-2004, 11:16 AM

Is it a good easterling?

Morsul the Dark · 07-22-2004, 11:17 AM

is a fiery creature also known as flame of udun?

Evisse the Blue · 07-22-2004, 11:28 AM

Is it the one who's oldest and fatherless?

Gil-Galad · 07-22-2004, 11:31 AM

Is it a Easterling from the First Age?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 11:42 AM

It is not Bór, a Balrog, Bombadil, or Brodda.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-22-2004, 11:44 AM

Is it a fast moving plant?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 11:48 AM

It's not Bregalad.

The Perky Ent · 07-22-2004, 12:13 PM

Is it a person who the ring has no effect on?

Tuor of Gondolin · 07-22-2004, 12:37 PM

Is it a dwarvish dwelling on a mountain?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 12:37 PM

It's still not Bombadil.

paavo · 07-22-2004, 02:16 PM

I forgot to tell that you are actually not allowed to ask a question with an answer which has already been asked. my bad.

can it be seen only by few?

Evisse the Blue · 07-22-2004, 02:37 PM

Is it a race?

The Perky Ent · 07-22-2004, 03:46 PM

Is it a ferry?

Firefoot · 07-22-2004, 07:18 PM

It's not Buckleberry Ferry or Burárum.

But I can't think of anything that is only seen by a few... my brain is fried.

The Perky Ent · 07-22-2004, 09:03 PM

Is it the place where the Anduin empty's?

paavo · 07-23-2004, 03:06 AM

The "Blue ring" AKA Vilya, which can only be seen by other rignbearers, is my answer. Next letter please.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-23-2004, 04:27 AM

OK, let's get the rules straight here.

Firefoot has given the answer "Bombadil" three times and "Bucklebury Ferry" twice. Now, my understanding is that the same answer cannot be given more than once to the questions being asked by the guessers. That's why, for example, we can keep on asking "Is it a Dwarf?" and expect a different answer each time. If the person who has set the clue cannot give an answer, then he/she must ask the person who asked the question to give their answer. I presume that, if their answer is one which has previously been given, the game simply carries on.

So, in the case of "Bombadil" above, I think that "Is it the eldest and fatherless?" was asked twice and "Is it someone unaffected by the Ring?" was also asked (by The Perky Ent). So, in response to the second two of these questions, Firefoot should have asked the guessers to come up with their answers. Since I doubt that they would have come up with anything other than "Bombadil", the game would have carried on without Firefoot revealing another letter. However, if The Perky Ent could have come up with another 'B' answer for someone unaffected by the Ring, then Firefoot would have had to have given another letter.

Assuming that this analysis is correct, the person who has set the clue needs to keep in mind the answers already given and guessers should try to avoid asking a question to which the only answer (or at least the only answer that they can think of) is one which has already been given. (You can check the answers previously given quite easily by scrolling through the posts below the "Reply" box.)

Sorry for being such an anorak about this, but it's as well to make sure that the rules are clear, particularly as this seems to me to be a rather good game. Paavo, would you mind editing your first post to clarify the position on this point?

Anyway, on with the game ...

Is it a mountain?

Firefoot · 07-23-2004, 05:14 AM

The next letter is L.

It is not the Blue Mounains, and since the place where Anduin empties (Bay of Belfalas) does not start with "Bl", I suppose that makes that question not count.

Evisse the Blue · 07-23-2004, 06:11 AM

Is it an entrance?

paavo · 07-23-2004, 07:12 AM

thanks saucepan man, rule clarification was sure needed. I have now edited my first post and as you can see I have "borrowed" some of your text, since you put the rules in such intelligible form (something what I cannot do)

is it a place where only two hobbits have been?

Firefoot · 07-23-2004, 08:25 AM

It is neither the Black Gate nor the Black Land.

Thorongil · 07-23-2004, 08:30 AM

Is it a hobbit?

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-23-2004, 08:42 AM

Is it a king?

Firefoot · 07-23-2004, 09:03 AM

It is not the Black Captain.

I can't find any hobbits that start with Bl, so if you will provide your answer I will give you the next letter.

Thorongil · 07-23-2004, 09:06 AM

Is it Blanco, one of the first hobbits in the Shire?

Morsul the Dark · 07-23-2004, 09:16 AM

is it a group also known as the nine?

Firefoot · 07-23-2004, 09:52 AM

It is the Black Riders. Morsul, go ahead.

Morsul the Dark · 07-23-2004, 10:26 AM

finally

begins with T

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 10:27 AM

DId he slay a dragon?

Morsul the Dark · 07-23-2004, 10:30 AM

it isn't Turin

The Perky Ent · 07-23-2004, 10:32 AM

Is it the family from which Pippin comes from?

Gil-Galad · 07-23-2004, 10:32 AM

Did he live in Gondolin?

07-22-2004, 07:34 AM	#81
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	is it a singer? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-22-2004, 08:29 AM	#82
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Is it the son of a singer? __________________ peace

07-22-2004, 10:08 AM	#84
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	is it a man in the fellowship who died protecting merry and pippin? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-22-2004, 10:38 AM	#85
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	is it a mystery (at least partly)? __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

07-22-2004, 11:12 AM	#87
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	is it a man that shot smaug with a black arrow? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-22-2004, 09:29 AM	#83
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is not Bëor (who sang when they reached Beleriand) or his son Baran.

07-22-2004, 11:09 AM	#86
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is not Boromir and it is not Berúthiel's cats.

07-22-2004, 11:13 AM	#88
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is not Bard.

07-22-2004, 11:16 AM	#89
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Is it a good easterling? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 11:17 AM	#90
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	is a fiery creature also known as flame of udun? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-22-2004, 11:28 AM	#91
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Is it the one who's oldest and fatherless? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-22-2004, 11:31 AM	#92
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Is it a Easterling from the First Age? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-22-2004, 11:42 AM	#93
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is not Bór, a Balrog, Bombadil, or Brodda.

07-22-2004, 11:44 AM	#94
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Is it a fast moving plant? __________________ peace

07-22-2004, 11:48 AM	#95
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It's not Bregalad.

07-22-2004, 12:13 PM	#96
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Is it a person who the ring has no effect on? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-22-2004, 12:37 PM	#97
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Is it a dwarvish dwelling on a mountain? Last edited by Tuor of Gondolin; 07-22-2004 at 12:40 PM.

07-22-2004, 02:16 PM	#99
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	I forgot to tell that you are actually not allowed to ask a question with an answer which has already been asked. my bad. can it be seen only by few? __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it. Last edited by paavo; 07-22-2004 at 02:21 PM.

07-22-2004, 02:37 PM	#100
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Is it a race? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-22-2004, 03:46 PM	#101
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Is it a ferry? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-22-2004, 07:18 PM	#102
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It's not Buckleberry Ferry or Burárum. But I can't think of anything that is only seen by a few... my brain is fried.

07-22-2004, 09:03 PM	#103
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Is it the place where the Anduin empty's? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

07-23-2004, 03:06 AM	#104
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	Finally! The "Blue ring" AKA Vilya, which can only be seen by other rignbearers, is my answer. Next letter please. __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

07-23-2004, 04:27 AM	#105
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Rule clarification OK, let's get the rules straight here. Firefoot has given the answer "Bombadil" three times and "Bucklebury Ferry" twice. Now, my understanding is that the same answer cannot be given more than once to the questions being asked by the guessers. That's why, for example, we can keep on asking "Is it a Dwarf?" and expect a different answer each time. If the person who has set the clue cannot give an answer, then he/she must ask the person who asked the question to give their answer. I presume that, if their answer is one which has previously been given, the game simply carries on. So, in the case of "Bombadil" above, I think that "Is it the eldest and fatherless?" was asked twice and "Is it someone unaffected by the Ring?" was also asked (by The Perky Ent). So, in response to the second two of these questions, Firefoot should have asked the guessers to come up with their answers. Since I doubt that they would have come up with anything other than "Bombadil", the game would have carried on without Firefoot revealing another letter. However, if The Perky Ent could have come up with another 'B' answer for someone unaffected by the Ring, then Firefoot would have had to have given another letter. Assuming that this analysis is correct, the person who has set the clue needs to keep in mind the answers already given and guessers should try to avoid asking a question to which the only answer (or at least the only answer that they can think of) is one which has already been given. (You can check the answers previously given quite easily by scrolling through the posts below the "Reply" box.) Sorry for being such an anorak about this, but it's as well to make sure that the rules are clear, particularly as this seems to me to be a rather good game. Paavo, would you mind editing your first post to clarify the position on this point? Anyway, on with the game ... Is it a mountain? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-23-2004, 05:14 AM	#106
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	The next letter is L. It is not the Blue Mounains, and since the place where Anduin empties (Bay of Belfalas) does not start with "Bl", I suppose that makes that question not count.

07-23-2004, 06:11 AM	#107
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Is it an entrance? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

07-23-2004, 07:12 AM	#108
paavo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 426	thanks saucepan man, rule clarification was sure needed. I have now edited my first post and as you can see I have "borrowed" some of your text, since you put the rules in such intelligible form (something what I cannot do) is it a place where only two hobbits have been? __________________ It seems to me that trying to live without friends is like milking a bear to get cream for your morning coffee. It is a whole lot of trouble, and then not worth much after you get it.

07-23-2004, 08:25 AM	#109
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is neither the Black Gate nor the Black Land.

07-23-2004, 08:30 AM	#110
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Is it a hobbit? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

07-23-2004, 08:42 AM	#111
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Is it a king? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-23-2004, 09:03 AM	#112
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is not the Black Captain. I can't find any hobbits that start with Bl, so if you will provide your answer I will give you the next letter.

07-23-2004, 09:06 AM	#113
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Is it Blanco, one of the first hobbits in the Shire? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

07-23-2004, 09:16 AM	#114
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	is it a group also known as the nine? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-23-2004, 09:52 AM	#115
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It is the Black Riders. Morsul, go ahead.

07-23-2004, 10:26 AM	#116
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	finally begins with T __________________ Morsul the Resurrected