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The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-20-2003, 12:20 PM

Let's see what you make of this one:

Damp spot can be found in what? A lantern?

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-20-2003, 04:44 PM

Is it Atalante, which can be found in "what? A lantern", and is a very damp spot being as it is under the water?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-21-2003, 02:52 AM

Indeed it is. Carry on.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-21-2003, 06:35 PM

Right you are, sir. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

It summons aid for one in an airborne spectacle

Should be fairly straightforward.

***Sharkû*** · 08-21-2003, 07:34 PM

Aerandir?

In the middle of A-IR we have an ER[R]AND, which can be a mission to summon help.
Aerandir was, in turn, one of Earendil's companions on the mission to summon the help of the Valar. They made the journey in Earendil's ship, which was soon to become the airborne spectacle of the morning star.

I have a feeling I am way off; if so, I demand extra points for a creative answer.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-21-2003, 07:59 PM

You are correct, Sharkû. That's not the answer. Extra points hereby awarded. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-22-2003, 05:59 AM

Red Arrow

This is a double meaning. The Royal Air Force's aerobatic display team is the Red Arrows, and the Red Arrow of Gondor summons aid.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-22-2003, 07:28 AM

Spot on. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-22-2003, 07:34 AM

Very well: here's one for you:

Wood-lady's dossier, we hear, is illuminating

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-22-2003, 07:37 AM

Galadriel's phial?

Galadriel is the lady of the Wood and phial sounds like file, a synonym for dossier (dodgy or otherwise [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ).

Turambar · 08-22-2003, 07:39 AM

Three minutes !?

Mom! Squatter and Saucepan aren't letting anyone else play!

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-22-2003, 07:40 AM

Well, I was looking for 'Phial of Galadriel' but I'm not about to split hairs. I think that one might have been a bit too easy.

Anyway it's your turn again, Saucepan.

It's not my fault if we're too quick for you, Turambar. If you're too busy with your job to watch this game all day then that's just too bad. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ August 22, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-22-2003, 10:39 AM

OK, mice on mouse pads. Ready, steady ...

Behemoth in a state since being surrounded by girl.

.. GO!

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-25-2003, 05:19 PM

*Lowers starter pistol and surveys the scene of intense inactivity*

Anyone?

Arestevana · 08-26-2003, 11:20 AM

We did 'Go', honest! It's just taking us a while to get around the track. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] perhaps a hint would speed us up a little?

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-26-2003, 11:29 AM

Weeeell ... OK, if you insist. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

'State' in the clue refers to an abbreviation for a US State ...

Turambar · 08-26-2003, 11:50 AM

That should puzzle the Brits here. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Here you go.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-27-2003, 03:51 AM

Saucepan is a Brit. Actually that wasn't the part of the clue that was giving me trouble, since it's a common ploy in cryptic crosswords to use the state abbreviations. It's coming up with the right girl's name that's giving me nightmares.

However, there aren't that many behemoths to choose from in Middle-earth, and I can't seem to shake the idea that the state is California and that somehow the rest of the clue must translate to Fastitocalon.

[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

Turambar · 08-27-2003, 04:58 AM

Ah, a girls's name! I was trying lass, miss, etc. and getting nowhere.

Mumakil has "Alaska" in the middle, but there's no more a girl named Mumil than there is one named Fastitoon, I suppose.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-27-2003, 05:04 PM

Alas, Squatter, the answer is not Fastitocalon. Nor is it Mumakil, Turambar.

Squatter is on the right track, but to successfully track down this Behemoth you must take account of the word "since". [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-28-2003, 04:00 AM

Ancalagon

Cal is a shortened state
ago can mean 'since'
Ann is the girl, who surrounds the above.

Kaiserin · 08-28-2003, 04:15 AM

Darn... I was thinking yesterday that Ancalagon was the behemoth in question, but I hesitated to post an answer. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Oh, well. I get a zero for being a sissy then.

[ August 28, 2003: Message edited by: Kaiserin ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-28-2003, 04:19 AM

Let that be a lesson to you, then: the quiz room is no place for hesitation.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-28-2003, 04:24 PM

That's the beastie, Squatter. Pray continue.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-29-2003, 04:04 AM

It all makes sense once one separates behemoths from the sea in one's mind. Anyway, on with the quizzing:
Gloomy individual condemns chap regularly to mend around five by a river

Rimbaud · 08-29-2003, 04:31 AM

Doom of Mandos?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-29-2003, 05:11 AM

'Fraid not, old boy. You're thinking along the right lines, though.

Rimbaud · 08-29-2003, 05:57 AM

Hmm, can't escape that initial thought.

Doomsman of the Valar fits better.

'Gloomy individual', self-explanatory. 'Condemns chap' - dooms man. 'V' for five, of course.

Mend around five refers to the surrounding letters, 'he' and 'al', making 'heal'.

Also, 'of the' contains oft, or 'regularly'.

'By a river' contains the ultimate 'ar'.

[ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Rimbaud ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-29-2003, 07:24 AM

Indeed it is. The floor is yours, sir.

Rimbaud · 08-29-2003, 07:31 AM

Through wine, feline stutters and agrees.

Rimbaud · 09-01-2003, 07:43 AM

Nobody?

Cathelm · 09-01-2003, 12:58 PM

I think a hint may be on order, Rimbaud...

Rimbaud · 09-02-2003, 02:42 AM

Clue #1 : The first half of the answer is in Latin.

Turambar · 09-02-2003, 07:57 AM

Pervinca Took ?

I see per-vin-cat but not the rest of the clue.

EDIT -- ah I see -- O-Okay.

Rimbaud · 09-02-2003, 09:52 AM

Yes and yes, T.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-02-2003, 05:18 PM

Good grief Sir Poet, that was devilishly difficult indeed. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] My non-appearance with a suggested answer was not through lack of racking my brains, alas to no avail. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Turambar · 09-03-2003, 04:47 PM

Addled queen was a prong creator

P.s. I hate writing these!

[ September 03, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-08-2003, 07:32 AM

Hmm, I think that we may need a hint on this one, Turambar. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Turambar · 09-08-2003, 08:10 AM

Sorry -- the answer is a queen, her name is an anagram of two terms (initials T.M.) that are synonyms of the two key words in the clue.

If no one gets it shortly, I'll just give the answer; this truly isn't a very good one.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-08-2003, 09:27 AM

Now it becomes clear. I was looking for an addled queen, messing about with variations on 'rotten' and barking up all manner of wrong trees.

Anyway, this one is Kementári ('Queen of the Earth') from the letters of Tine and Maker, which could also refer to Yavanna. That was clever rather than bad, telling us that the final answer is an anagram of your anagrams. One might even go so far as to call it 'fiendish'.

08-20-2003, 12:20 PM	#81
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Let's see what you make of this one: Damp spot can be found in what? A lantern? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-20-2003, 04:44 PM	#82
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Is it Atalante, which can be found in "what? A lantern", and is a very damp spot being as it is under the water? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-21-2003, 02:52 AM	#83
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Indeed it is. Carry on. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-21-2003, 06:35 PM	#84
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Right you are, sir. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] It summons aid for one in an airborne spectacle Should be fairly straightforward. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-21-2003, 07:59 PM	#86
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	You are correct, Sharkû. That's not the answer. Extra points hereby awarded. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-21-2003, 07:34 PM	#85
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Aerandir? In the middle of A-IR we have an ER[R]AND, which can be a mission to summon help. Aerandir was, in turn, one of Earendil's companions on the mission to summon the help of the Valar. They made the journey in Earendil's ship, which was soon to become the airborne spectacle of the morning star. I have a feeling I am way off; if so, I demand extra points for a creative answer.

08-22-2003, 05:59 AM	#87
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Red Arrow This is a double meaning. The Royal Air Force's aerobatic display team is the Red Arrows, and the Red Arrow of Gondor summons aid. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-22-2003, 07:28 AM	#88
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Spot on. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-22-2003, 07:34 AM	#89
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Very well: here's one for you: Wood-lady's dossier, we hear, is illuminating __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-22-2003, 07:37 AM	#90
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Galadriel's phial? Galadriel is the lady of the Wood and phial sounds like file, a synonym for dossier (dodgy or otherwise [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-22-2003, 07:39 AM	#91
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Three minutes !? Mom! Squatter and Saucepan aren't letting anyone else play! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-22-2003, 07:40 AM	#92
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Well, I was looking for 'Phial of Galadriel' but I'm not about to split hairs. I think that one might have been a bit too easy. Anyway it's your turn again, Saucepan. It's not my fault if we're too quick for you, Turambar. If you're too busy with your job to watch this game all day then that's just too bad. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ August 22, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-22-2003, 10:39 AM	#93
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, mice on mouse pads. Ready, steady ... Behemoth in a state since being surrounded by girl. .. GO! __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-25-2003, 05:19 PM	#94
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Lowers starter pistol and surveys the scene of intense inactivity Anyone? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-26-2003, 11:20 AM	#95
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	We did 'Go', honest! It's just taking us a while to get around the track. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] perhaps a hint would speed us up a little?

08-26-2003, 11:29 AM	#96
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Weeeell ... OK, if you insist. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 'State' in the clue refers to an abbreviation for a US State ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-26-2003, 11:50 AM	#97
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	That should puzzle the Brits here. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Here you go. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-27-2003, 03:51 AM	#98
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Saucepan is a Brit. Actually that wasn't the part of the clue that was giving me trouble, since it's a common ploy in cryptic crosswords to use the state abbreviations. It's coming up with the right girl's name that's giving me nightmares. However, there aren't that many behemoths to choose from in Middle-earth, and I can't seem to shake the idea that the state is California and that somehow the rest of the clue must translate to Fastitocalon. [ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-27-2003, 04:58 AM	#99
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Ah, a girls's name! I was trying lass, miss, etc. and getting nowhere. Mumakil has "Alaska" in the middle, but there's no more a girl named Mumil than there is one named Fastitoon, I suppose. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-27-2003, 05:04 PM	#100
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Alas, Squatter, the answer is not Fastitocalon. Nor is it Mumakil, Turambar. Squatter is on the right track, but to successfully track down this Behemoth you must take account of the word "since". [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-28-2003, 04:00 AM	#101
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Ancalagon Cal is a shortened state ago can mean 'since' Ann is the girl, who surrounds the above. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-28-2003, 04:15 AM	#102
Kaiserin Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cair Paravel Posts: 150	Darn... I was thinking yesterday that Ancalagon was the behemoth in question, but I hesitated to post an answer. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Oh, well. I get a zero for being a sissy then. [ August 28, 2003: Message edited by: Kaiserin ] __________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

08-28-2003, 04:19 AM	#103
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Let that be a lesson to you, then: the quiz room is no place for hesitation. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 12-02-2005 at 05:02 AM. Reason: Replaced defunct smiley with a working one

08-28-2003, 04:24 PM	#104
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	That's the beastie, Squatter. Pray continue. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-29-2003, 04:04 AM	#105
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	It all makes sense once one separates behemoths from the sea in one's mind. Anyway, on with the quizzing: Gloomy individual condemns chap regularly to mend around five by a river __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-29-2003, 04:31 AM	#106
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Doom of Mandos? __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-29-2003, 05:11 AM	#107
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	'Fraid not, old boy. You're thinking along the right lines, though. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-29-2003, 05:57 AM	#108
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Hmm, can't escape that initial thought. Doomsman of the Valar fits better. 'Gloomy individual', self-explanatory. 'Condemns chap' - dooms man. 'V' for five, of course. Mend around five refers to the surrounding letters, 'he' and 'al', making 'heal'. Also, 'of the' contains oft, or 'regularly'. 'By a river' contains the ultimate 'ar'. [ August 29, 2003: Message edited by: Rimbaud ] __________________ And all the rest is literature

08-29-2003, 07:24 AM	#109
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Indeed it is. The floor is yours, sir. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-29-2003, 07:31 AM	#110
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Through wine, feline stutters and agrees. __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-01-2003, 07:43 AM	#111
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Nobody? __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-01-2003, 12:58 PM	#112
Cathelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I think a hint may be on order, Rimbaud...

09-02-2003, 02:42 AM	#113
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Clue #1 : The first half of the answer is in Latin. __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-02-2003, 07:57 AM	#114
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Pervinca Took ? I see per-vin-cat but not the rest of the clue. EDIT -- ah I see -- O-Okay. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

09-02-2003, 09:52 AM	#115
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Yes and yes, T. __________________ And all the rest is literature