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It seems we are finished with The Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin. When I remember correctly, we planed to review everything done up to this point next. And we had a shaky plan to send the now finished end of our work (from This chapter to the end of the Silmarillion) out to suposedly interested reader to gain more intrest in the project. Respectfuly Findegil |
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I look forward to your notes. Typos are welcome as well as discussable issues. Since I took up the job of the 'typer' I correcr typos silently when I come across, but any findings are welcom of course.
About the discusseable issues: I have tried my hand on the Appendix of The Ainulindalë. Probably I should post that now since it is a kind of condensed overview of our discussions. Quote:
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Hi! I have one quick question about this chapter. Why was the name Meril removed as the name of Orodreth's wife? If it was decided that the footnote be taken and applied to him, then why not the name of Inglor's wife as well?
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Meril was removed because she was not named in the later Note on the parentage of Gil-galad. That Orodreth who loved the Mountians (supposedly that of Dorthonion) and had an Sindarin wife, would find that wife in Dorthonion is one thing, but to shift a name from the wife of Finrod to that of Orodreth is as nother kettle of fish.
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As we discussed in the Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie chapter, I will add the bit from the Shibboleth in here:
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I would edit this a bit diffrent:
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Respectfully Findegil Last edited by Findegil; 09-29-2017 at 05:58 PM. |
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I agree, this is better.
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I think it should be mentioned somewhere in 'Of the Swarthy Men' that the Folk of Uldor settled in Thargelion (BTW, 'Thargelion' should be changed to 'Thargelian' as per 1970 'Maeglin' text - 'Talath Rhunen' and 'Dor Caranthir' are just other names for the region, not mutually exclusive).
This comes from the 'North-east' section of the map of Beleriand in The War of the Jewels, 'Of Beleriand and Its Realms', p. 183.
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We do already mention that 'The sons of Ulfang the Black were Ulfast and Ulwarth and Uldor the Accursed; and they followed Caranthir and swore allegiance to him ...' I don't think that in addition we would need a direct statment that they settled in Dor Caranthir.
BTW Thargelion and Thargelain are not to be used as the River is now named Duin Daer. Respectfully Findegil |
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First point - yes, folk of Uldor followed Caranthir, but that doesn't necessarily mean they settled on his land: for example, a lot of the Easterlings settled in Lothlann (which I don't think is under anyone's direct rule). Second - the name 'Thargelian' (and 'Thorewilan') appear in the same text as 'Duin Daer' ('Maeglin', pp. 336-7): it seems that the element '-gelian' at this point in time started to refer to the Sindarized form of the river's Dwarven name ('Gabilan').
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{Thargelion}[Thargelain]: Good point. That gives us a better repleacement than what we have done so fare.
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I also think we have to change 'Ascar' to 'Asgar' as per The Nature of Middle-earth, 'Elvish Journeys on Horseback', p. 311 (dating from c. 1970), as well as The War of the Jewels, 'Maeglin', pp. 336-7.
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The Asgar, Ascar names, as far as I know are from the same linguistic period meaning the same and can be interchangeables. In my opinion one name would not invalidate the other.
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In the latest version in the private forum, there seems to be a missing piece here, where the ". }" is:
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Thank you for catching this! reading the thread farther, for me Aiwendil editing was taken in the end.
Respectfully Findegil P.S.: Evellon, did you adapt your settings for no private messages? Last edited by Findegil; 09-11-2023 at 01:29 AM. |
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