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Gwaihir the Windlord · 11-03-2003, 12:46 AM

Not in Valinor, not an isle, not an afforested area, not Tol Eressea. It did not exist after the First Age, but the time when it ceased to exist was before the breaking of Thangorodrim.

Telchar · 11-03-2003, 01:14 AM

I know this sounds curious but I have my reasons for asking...

Is this place in Beleriand?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-11-2003, 07:39 PM

Would Gondolin be a wild stab?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-20-2003, 07:35 PM

More than ten days since Gwaihir last posted...my turn!

Start asking...

Estanesse · 11-21-2003, 09:21 AM

Is it a person

Telchar · 11-21-2003, 09:32 AM

YAY!! Go Nilpaurion!!! We need more action on this thread!

Is it an object?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-22-2003, 06:16 AM

Is it an object? Yes!

Estanesse · 11-22-2003, 07:39 AM

Is it a weapon

Telchar · 11-22-2003, 04:44 PM

Did it exsist during WOTR?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-23-2003, 06:09 PM

Is it a weapon? No.

Did it exist during WOTR? Yes.

[ November 23, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Telchar · 11-23-2003, 08:17 PM

Was it made by an elf?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-23-2003, 11:24 PM

Was it made by an elf? No.

Telchar · 11-24-2003, 01:37 AM

was it owned by any of the nine walkers?

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Alatariel · 11-24-2003, 08:57 AM

Did it exist before the third age?

Estanesse · 11-24-2003, 03:20 PM

Is it made by dwarves?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-24-2003, 08:00 PM

Was it owned by any of the nine walkers? Afterwards, yes.

Did it exist before the third age? Yes.

Is it made by dwarves? No.

[ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Telchar · 11-25-2003, 02:42 AM

Is it made of any kind of metal, or is there metal in it?

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-25-2003, 03:55 AM

Sceptre of Annúminas?

The Laurenendorian · 11-25-2003, 04:16 AM

Or if not that, the (original) Elendilmir?

Telchar · 11-25-2003, 06:10 AM

<---- Thinks Saucepans got it [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Cant be the Elendilmir, as it was made by an elf...

The Laurenendorian · 11-25-2003, 08:32 AM

For what it's worth, I think the Sceptre of Annúminas is more likely to be correct, but are you sure that the Elendilmir was made by an elf, Telchar (the first one - the second one certainly was). The most definite that I can find is "the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril*" with the * indicating an author's note: "For that metal was found in Númenor". The implication here seems to me to be that while the crystal was in origin Elvish, the item as a whole was put together in Númenor, and so presumably by men.

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Edit: I thought of an argument against the Elendilmir being made by men - Silmarien had it, which would make it nearly 6000 years old by the time of the War of the Ring, which might contradict the footnote in Appendix A of LotR: "[The Sceptre] of Annúminas was the silver rod of the Lords of Andúnië, and is now perhaps the most ancient work of Men's hands preserved in Middle-earth. It was already more than five thousand years old when Elrond surrendered it to Aragorn."

Is this the basis of your claim, Telchar? I would imagine that whoever wrote the footnote would have been aware that the original Elendilmir was still in existence and of its history (given the use of "already", the implication is that this is written some time after Elessar's succession, and so after Orthanc had been searched), but as it was not so prominent (we are told that Aragorn 'did not again emperil it', and wore it only on high-days), perhaps they could have overlooked it, or perhaps they did not know its exact history, or perhaps it was in fact unknown which of the two objects was older (and the footnote does say "perhaps")? Then again, perhaps the Elendilmir was made by elves, which would be a neater resolution of the problem. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Sorry for going so off-topic.

[ November 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Laurenendorian ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-25-2003, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Sorry for going so off-topic.

Apology accepted. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

But please do try to avoid lengthy analysis of the answers on the Quiz threads. Might be a good topic for the Books forum though. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Nilpaurion Felagund · 11-26-2003, 08:41 PM

Sauce...no, it was actually the pokie-stick of Andunië.

What the Angband...you're right! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

[ 10:08 PM November 26, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

Telchar · 12-03-2003, 04:20 PM

Sausepans?

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-03-2003, 05:39 PM

I am afraid that I overlooked this one. Thank you, Telchar, for reminding me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Ask away ...

Telchar · 12-03-2003, 05:43 PM

Is it a cooking tool? (pot/pan) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Theron Bugtussle · 12-03-2003, 08:46 PM

Is it alive?

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-04-2003, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Is it a cooking tool? (pot/pan)

Come now, kitchen utensils are for wearing, not for guessing at. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Yes, "it" is (or was) alive, Nilpaurion. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ 9:28 PM December 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Alatariel · 12-04-2003, 11:42 PM

Was "it" mortal?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-05-2003, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Yes, "it" is (or was) alive, Nilpaurion.

What? I never asked that?

Anywhen...is it Galdor? Was it from the First Age? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-05-2003, 03:48 AM

Quote:

What? I never asked that?

Ahem! Apologies to you both, Nilpaurian and Theron. It was late and I was under the affluence of incohol! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

To recap:

Yes, "it" is (or was) alive, Theron.

No, "it" was not mortal, Alatariel.

No, not Galdor, Nilpaurion, but "it" was around in the First Age.

[ 4:49 AM December 05, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Castamir · 12-05-2003, 06:58 AM

Was it a servant of Morgorth?

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-05-2003, 08:15 AM

No, it was not a servant of Morgoth.

Alatariel · 12-05-2003, 11:29 AM

Was it still around after the first age?

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-05-2003, 11:49 AM

Not in Middle-earth, no.

Telchar · 12-06-2003, 04:08 AM

Is 'it' male?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-06-2003, 04:45 AM

Quote:

It was late and I was under the affluence of incohol!

Is this as good as outcohol? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Anywhen...is it Finrod Felagund? Or is "it" Noldor? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-07-2003, 08:14 PM

Yes, he is male, Telchar. Thank you for allowing me to drop the "it". [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Nope, Nilpaurion, he's not of the Noldor.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 12-07-2003, 08:33 PM

OK, that makes him Sindar, Vanyar, Teleri, Avari, or Ainur...

Is he Oromë, or is he an Ainu? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Telchar · 12-08-2003, 05:30 PM

Is he elvish?

11-03-2003, 01:14 AM	#82
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	I know this sounds curious but I have my reasons for asking... Is this place in Beleriand? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-11-2003, 07:39 PM	#83
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Would Gondolin be a wild stab? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-20-2003, 07:35 PM	#84
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	More than ten days since Gwaihir last posted...my turn! Start asking... __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-21-2003, 09:21 AM	#85
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Is it a person __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-21-2003, 09:32 AM	#86
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	YAY!! Go Nilpaurion!!! We need more action on this thread! Is it an object? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-03-2003, 12:46 AM	#81
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Not in Valinor, not an isle, not an afforested area, not Tol Eressea. It did not exist after the First Age, but the time when it ceased to exist was before the breaking of Thangorodrim.

11-22-2003, 06:16 AM	#87
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Is it an object? Yes! __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-22-2003, 07:39 AM	#88
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Is it a weapon __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-22-2003, 04:44 PM	#89
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Did it exsist during WOTR? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-23-2003, 06:09 PM	#90
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Is it a weapon? No. Did it exist during WOTR? Yes. [ November 23, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-23-2003, 08:17 PM	#91
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Was it made by an elf? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-23-2003, 11:24 PM	#92
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Was it made by an elf? No. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-24-2003, 01:37 AM	#93
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	was it owned by any of the nine walkers? [ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-24-2003, 08:57 AM	#94
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	Did it exist before the third age? __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

11-24-2003, 03:20 PM	#95
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Is it made by dwarves? __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-24-2003, 08:00 PM	#96
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Was it owned by any of the nine walkers? Afterwards, yes. Did it exist before the third age? Yes. Is it made by dwarves? No. [ November 24, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

11-25-2003, 02:42 AM	#97
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Is it made of any kind of metal, or is there metal in it? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-25-2003, 03:55 AM	#98
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Sceptre of Annúminas? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-25-2003, 04:16 AM	#99
The Laurenendorian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taruithorn Posts: 57	Or if not that, the (original) Elendilmir? __________________ And Beren desperate then aside / thrust Lúthien, and forth did stride, unarmed, defenceless to defend / Tinúviel until the end

11-25-2003, 06:10 AM	#100
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	<---- Thinks Saucepans got it [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Cant be the Elendilmir, as it was made by an elf... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-25-2003, 08:32 AM	#101
The Laurenendorian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taruithorn Posts: 57	For what it's worth, I think the Sceptre of Annúminas is more likely to be correct, but are you sure that the Elendilmir was made by an elf, Telchar (the first one - the second one certainly was). The most definite that I can find is "the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril" with the indicating an author's note: "For that metal was found in Númenor". The implication here seems to me to be that while the crystal was in origin Elvish, the item as a whole was put together in Númenor, and so presumably by men. --- Edit: I thought of an argument against the Elendilmir being made by men - Silmarien had it, which would make it nearly 6000 years old by the time of the War of the Ring, which might contradict the footnote in Appendix A of LotR: "[The Sceptre] of Annúminas was the silver rod of the Lords of Andúnië, and is now perhaps the most ancient work of Men's hands preserved in Middle-earth. It was already more than five thousand years old when Elrond surrendered it to Aragorn." Is this the basis of your claim, Telchar? I would imagine that whoever wrote the footnote would have been aware that the original Elendilmir was still in existence and of its history (given the use of "already", the implication is that this is written some time after Elessar's succession, and so after Orthanc had been searched), but as it was not so prominent (we are told that Aragorn 'did not again emperil it', and wore it only on high-days), perhaps they could have overlooked it, or perhaps they did not know its exact history, or perhaps it was in fact unknown which of the two objects was older (and the footnote does say "perhaps")? Then again, perhaps the Elendilmir was made by elves, which would be a neater resolution of the problem. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] Sorry for going so off-topic. [ November 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Laurenendorian ] __________________ And Beren desperate then aside / thrust Lúthien, and forth did stride, unarmed, defenceless to defend / Tinúviel until the end

11-26-2003, 08:41 PM	#103
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Sauce...no, it was actually the pokie-stick of Andunië. What the Angband...you're right! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] [ 10:08 PM November 26, 2003: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-03-2003, 04:20 PM	#104
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Sausepans? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-03-2003, 05:39 PM	#105
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I am afraid that I overlooked this one. Thank you, Telchar, for reminding me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Ask away ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-03-2003, 05:43 PM	#106
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Is it a cooking tool? (pot/pan) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-03-2003, 08:46 PM	#107
Theron Bugtussle Wight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Blowing the froth off a couple in this quaint little pub in Michel Delving. Posts: 147	Is it alive? __________________ For I was talking aloud to myself. A habit of the old: they choose the wisest person present to speak to; the long explanations needed by the young are wearying. -Gandalf, The Two Towers

12-04-2003, 11:42 PM	#109
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	Was "it" mortal? __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

12-05-2003, 06:58 AM	#112
Castamir Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gondor Posts: 18	Was it a servant of Morgorth?

12-05-2003, 08:15 AM	#113
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, it was not a servant of Morgoth. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-05-2003, 11:29 AM	#114
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	Was it still around after the first age? __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

12-05-2003, 11:49 AM	#115
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Not in Middle-earth, no. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-06-2003, 04:08 AM	#116
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Is 'it' male? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

12-07-2003, 08:14 PM	#118
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Yes, he is male, Telchar. Thank you for allowing me to drop the "it". [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Nope, Nilpaurion, he's not of the Noldor. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-07-2003, 08:33 PM	#119
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	OK, that makes him Sindar, Vanyar, Teleri, Avari, or Ainur... Is he Oromë, or is he an Ainu? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

12-08-2003, 05:30 PM	#120
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Is he elvish? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.