Cryptic Clues - Page 27 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 01-25-2014, 06:28 PM

Well she did point the way.. and don't be mean.

Pervinca Took · 01-26-2014, 06:18 AM

I was actually really surprised that any such site would have Middle-earth names in its database. I suppose it must be attached to some kind of search engine. I have not done anything underhand. I acted upon curiosity, wondering if such a thing as an anagram maker existed online - I'm actually fond of cryptic crosswords and wordplay anyway, as well as Tolkienian puzzles - and admitted I had done so. Get over it.

Mithalwen · 02-10-2014, 04:56 PM

Elf-ish lord confused role with Elvish lord.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-17-2014, 07:52 AM

Elrohir Anagram of role and Sindarin hîr

Mithalwen · 02-17-2014, 11:52 AM

Indeed. Over to you...

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-17-2014, 04:11 PM

My head is too full of cryptic. The first thing I thought when I read that was 'uoy ot'

Uproar overwhelms regulation retreat for first to arrive

Mithalwen · 02-17-2014, 11:20 PM

Or you slipped to the other side of the mirror..

Pervinca Took · 09-05-2014, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh

My head is too full of cryptic. The first thing I thought when I read that was 'uoy ot'

Uproar overwhelms regulation retreat for first to arrive

DWALIN!

Uproar is DIN, which overwhelms/swallows LAW in retreat (ie backwards). Dwalin was the first dwarf to arrive at the unexpected party.

Got stuck for ages using "rule" for regulation.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-16-2014, 12:34 AM

I'm glad you persevered and you are, of course, spot on. Your turn.

Mithalwen · 09-16-2014, 08:01 AM

Where as I was stuck thinking of elves as first arrivals.

Pervinca Took · 09-16-2014, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Where as I was stuck thinking of elves as first arrivals.

So was I; I think I thought of Dwalin a while ago, but couldn't find the letters for it.

Here goes, then:

Ladykiller loses a certain ambiance: a tautological carrier, he?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-17-2014, 06:17 AM

I think this one is Lotho Sackville-Baggins

Ladykiller loses a certain ambiance: lothario - air = Lotho

a tautological carrier, he: Sackville-Baggins is a hyphenated compound of two words meaning the same thing, both bag related, hence tautological carrier.

Pervinca Took · 09-17-2014, 09:18 AM

Perfectly correct. Over to you.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-17-2014, 01:55 PM

Have a go at this one

Flight without goal might end at the top or bottom

Pervinca Took · 09-20-2014, 04:22 PM

Just wondering if this might be The Winding Stair.

Having first pondered whether there were elvish names for things like the Flight of the Noldor, the idea of flight referring to stairs has just occurred to me.

Could "winding" sort of mean without a goal? Stairs can end at the top or the bottom. Or even both.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-22-2014, 06:23 AM

Not that, I'm afraid. 'Winding' for 'without goal' is a bit of a reach.

Pervinca Took · 09-22-2014, 06:56 AM

OK. I was trying to remove the word "end" from a phrase in elvish I couldn't find for something like the Flight of the Noldor before I thought of stairs. So let's take a trip to Moria and try

The Endless Stair.

I suppose that kind of stair would stop at the top OR bottom, but not both.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-23-2014, 11:20 AM

That's the case of stairs I wanted.

Pervinca Took · 09-23-2014, 11:23 AM

That's good, 'cos I don't know the ablative form.

Try this one:

Tedious fellow mixes with humanity here.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-23-2014, 02:14 PM

Amon Ereb

a bore and men mixed up.

Pervinca Took · 09-23-2014, 02:46 PM

Good try, and on the right lines, but no.

Pervinca Took · 09-26-2014, 04:41 AM

Hint: My clue didn't include an article, and I usually account for every single letter (Lotho Sackville-Baggins was an exception, because the "Sackville-Baggins" was just kind of referred to, with Lotho being the main part of the clue).

You might also want to rethink the "humanity" part of the clue.

Pervinca Took · 07-04-2015, 03:35 PM

Please solve this! Amon Ereb was very close, but not the answer.

BORE was correct for tedious fellow (without the a that Squatter added), but rethink the 'humanity' part - what other things can be humanities? Think education ....

Mithalwen · 07-06-2015, 03:46 AM

Erebor?

Pervinca Took · 07-06-2015, 06:34 AM

Yes indeed! BORE mixed with RE (short for the Humanities subject, Religious Education).

Over to you!

Mithalwen · 07-06-2015, 10:23 AM

Ok try this

Starry warrior, taking direction, distorted shine above.

Pervinca Took · 07-06-2015, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Ok try this

Starry warrior, taking direction, distorted shine above.

Hmmm - trying to get from Elendil to Earendil by taking away L and adding something shiny ... but ray backwards leaves a y I can't dispose of.

My first starting point was Orion.

Mithalwen · 07-06-2015, 11:38 AM

Well L is the wrong direction for starters ..... have another think

Pervinca Took · 07-06-2015, 03:46 PM

Suspecting EREINION for the starry warrior, but can't quite find my way there. Have tried footling about with Orion plus NE for a direction, plus part of the word shine.

Mithalwen · 07-06-2015, 03:56 PM

Well it is always worth trying my beloved if I have set the clues... but as it happens not Ereinion

Pervinca Took · 07-06-2015, 03:59 PM

Ah - and I even got one letter closer by using NEE for north-east-east plus Orion and taking 'shine above' just to be what Starlight does ... but that still only got me as far as EREINOON.

Galadriel55 · 07-06-2015, 06:27 PM

Taking "starry warrier" as the straight clue, my first thought was Orion and my second was Menelmacar. No idea how that can fit though, and I'm too tired to try and figure it our from the cryptic side.

Mithalwen · 07-06-2015, 06:44 PM

You need a third thought.

Pervinca Took · 07-07-2015, 06:27 AM

My second thought was Menelvagor (sp?) but the v and the g were too problematic.

Starry warrior, taking direction, distorted shine above.

Maybe Telumehtar - because I guess 'lume' means shine in some person and declension, and ... maybe all of the letters minus the R might mean shine or shine above in Elvish?

Mithalwen · 07-07-2015, 09:34 AM

It is Menelvagor and the why isn't that tricksy.

Pervinca Took · 07-07-2015, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

It is Menelvagor and the why isn't that tricksy.

Hang on, there's GLEAM in there. I spent quite a while trying to get from GLEAM to MAGLOR on this one, too. So - what letters are left?

NEVOR - oooooohhh - N(orth) plus OVER for above. I did look for overs and gleams, but clearly didn't look hard enough in Menelvagor.

Pervinca Took · 07-08-2015, 12:32 PM

He mingles twilight with doom, initially.

Mithalwen · 07-08-2015, 02:01 PM

Sorry, yes that is exactly the reasoning. I generally indicate if you need Elvish to solve the clue.

Ivriniel · 07-08-2015, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

He mingles twilight with doom, initially.

"HE" + (mingles) "doom" (Umbar), with the 'He' positioned first=Turumbar

Pervinca Took · 07-09-2015, 04:43 AM

Good try!

However, you are forgetting the 'twilight' element. Also, it doesn't say that 'he' mingles with doom, but that 'twilight' does. The straight part of the clue doesn't usually contribute letters to the cryptic part; in general it kind of stands apart from it, so to speak.

It kinds of betrays the hobbitlike side of me that Turambar often makes me think of Carambars - candy bars that were always in the confectionery and cake shops when my parents started taking us to France for holidays. Probably not the effect Tolkien was going for at all.

01-25-2014, 06:28 PM	#1041
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well she did point the way.. and don't be mean. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-26-2014, 06:18 AM	#1042
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I was actually really surprised that any such site would have Middle-earth names in its database. I suppose it must be attached to some kind of search engine. I have not done anything underhand. I acted upon curiosity, wondering if such a thing as an anagram maker existed online - I'm actually fond of cryptic crosswords and wordplay anyway, as well as Tolkienian puzzles - and admitted I had done so. Get over it. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 01-26-2014 at 06:33 AM.

02-10-2014, 04:56 PM	#1043
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Elf-ish lord confused role with Elvish lord. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-17-2014, 07:52 AM	#1044
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Elrohir Anagram of role and Sindarin hîr __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

02-17-2014, 11:52 AM	#1045
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Indeed. Over to you... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

02-17-2014, 04:11 PM	#1046
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	My head is too full of cryptic. The first thing I thought when I read that was 'uoy ot' Uproar overwhelms regulation retreat for first to arrive __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

02-17-2014, 11:20 PM	#1047
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Or you slipped to the other side of the mirror.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-16-2014, 12:34 AM	#1049
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	I'm glad you persevered and you are, of course, spot on. Your turn. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-16-2014, 08:01 AM	#1050
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Where as I was stuck thinking of elves as first arrivals. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-17-2014, 06:17 AM	#1052
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	I think this one is Lotho Sackville-Baggins Ladykiller loses a certain ambiance: lothario - air = Lotho a tautological carrier, he: Sackville-Baggins is a hyphenated compound of two words meaning the same thing, both bag related, hence tautological carrier. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-17-2014, 09:18 AM	#1053
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Perfectly correct. Over to you. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-17-2014, 01:55 PM	#1054
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Have a go at this one Flight without goal might end at the top or bottom __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-20-2014, 04:22 PM	#1055
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Just wondering if this might be The Winding Stair. Having first pondered whether there were elvish names for things like the Flight of the Noldor, the idea of flight referring to stairs has just occurred to me. Could "winding" sort of mean without a goal? Stairs can end at the top or the bottom. Or even both. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-22-2014, 06:23 AM	#1056
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Not that, I'm afraid. 'Winding' for 'without goal' is a bit of a reach. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-22-2014, 06:56 AM	#1057
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	OK. I was trying to remove the word "end" from a phrase in elvish I couldn't find for something like the Flight of the Noldor before I thought of stairs. So let's take a trip to Moria and try The Endless Stair. I suppose that kind of stair would stop at the top OR bottom, but not both. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-23-2014, 11:20 AM	#1058
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	That's the case of stairs I wanted. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-23-2014, 11:23 AM	#1059
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	That's good, 'cos I don't know the ablative form. Try this one: Tedious fellow mixes with humanity here. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-23-2014, 02:14 PM	#1060
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Amon Ereb a bore and men mixed up. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-23-2014, 02:46 PM	#1061
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Good try, and on the right lines, but no. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 09-23-2014 at 02:51 PM.

09-26-2014, 04:41 AM	#1062
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Hint: My clue didn't include an article, and I usually account for every single letter (Lotho Sackville-Baggins was an exception, because the "Sackville-Baggins" was just kind of referred to, with Lotho being the main part of the clue). You might also want to rethink the "humanity" part of the clue. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-04-2015, 03:35 PM	#1063
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Tedious fellow mixes with humanity here. Please solve this! Amon Ereb was very close, but not the answer. BORE was correct for tedious fellow (without the a that Squatter added), but rethink the 'humanity' part - what other things can be humanities? Think education .... __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-06-2015, 03:46 AM	#1064
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Erebor?

07-06-2015, 06:34 AM	#1065
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Yes indeed! BORE mixed with RE (short for the Humanities subject, Religious Education). Over to you! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 07-06-2015 at 10:39 AM.

07-06-2015, 10:23 AM	#1066
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Ok try this Starry warrior, taking direction, distorted shine above.

07-06-2015, 11:38 AM	#1068
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well L is the wrong direction for starters ..... have another think

07-06-2015, 03:46 PM	#1069
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Suspecting EREINION for the starry warrior, but can't quite find my way there. Have tried footling about with Orion plus NE for a direction, plus part of the word shine. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-06-2015, 03:56 PM	#1070
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Well it is always worth trying my beloved if I have set the clues... but as it happens not Ereinion __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-06-2015, 03:59 PM	#1071
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Ah - and I even got one letter closer by using NEE for north-east-east plus Orion and taking 'shine above' just to be what Starlight does ... but that still only got me as far as EREINOON. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-06-2015, 06:27 PM	#1072
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,382	Taking "starry warrier" as the straight clue, my first thought was Orion and my second was Menelmacar. No idea how that can fit though, and I'm too tired to try and figure it our from the cryptic side. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

07-06-2015, 06:44 PM	#1073
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	You need a third thought. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-07-2015, 06:27 AM	#1074
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	My second thought was Menelvagor (sp?) but the v and the g were too problematic. Starry warrior, taking direction, distorted shine above. Maybe Telumehtar - because I guess 'lume' means shine in some person and declension, and ... maybe all of the letters minus the R might mean shine or shine above in Elvish? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-07-2015, 09:34 AM	#1075
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	It is Menelvagor and the why isn't that tricksy. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-08-2015, 12:32 PM	#1077
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Next one, then. He mingles twilight with doom, initially. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

07-08-2015, 02:01 PM	#1078
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	Sorry, yes that is exactly the reasoning. I generally indicate if you need Elvish to solve the clue. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-09-2015, 04:43 AM	#1080
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Good try! However, you are forgetting the 'twilight' element. Also, it doesn't say that 'he' mingles with doom, but that 'twilight' does. The straight part of the clue doesn't usually contribute letters to the cryptic part; in general it kind of stands apart from it, so to speak. It kinds of betrays the hobbitlike side of me that Turambar often makes me think of Carambars - candy bars that were always in the confectionery and cake shops when my parents started taking us to France for holidays. Probably not the effect Tolkien was going for at all. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."