Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I agree. Shasta should do it on a live feed. Would definitely make it more dramatic. Especially, if somehow the coin rolled under a couch; or he inserted a commercial. xD

EPIC WIN.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

So I guess you're filling in for Sally in the give-Phantom-grief position.

You rub this in and I promise I will rub it in mercilessly when you fail. And you will, dearie. Everyone does now and then. I'll have Sally IM me if you ever fail a test or anything and I'll make fun of you.

sally's sitting right beside me and wishes to let you know that she has not resigned her position, but due to circumstances beyond her control has moved to the private sector.

As it is, I didn't want to rub it in; I just couldn't resist the pun.

And I don't fail tests. I may fail at life, but I don't fail tests.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

Yes, but neither of us lowly innocents knows how that works.

You're absolutely right, but it's something out of our control.

Maybe so, but I'm not about to ignore it.

I mean, how would you like it if we voted for Izzy, and the WWs and Cobbler vote for someone, and then Shasta says, "Oh, too bad, once again Izzy cannot be lynched. WWs win!"

If the WWs have the power to protect one of themselves from the lynch, surely we must consider who they'd use their protection on.

Or if the WQ had something to do with it, she'd better tell us so we can know immediately that it is safe to go ahead and vote Izzy, the sure thing on this day.

And of course I was assuming that Rikae was telling the truth for this hypothetical set up. Technically we don't know, and maybe we'll see an opposing reveal today. Or two.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by phantom

And of course I was assuming that Rikae was telling the truth for this hypothetical set up. Technically we don't know, and maybe we'll see an opposing reveal today. Or two.

Well, if Rikae isn't lying, I know who our wolfiekinses are. But having had a day to think over things, I'm not nearly as assured of her trustworthiness as I was. I'd like to hear a lot from everyone before making a decision.

Two counterreveals? Ouch, my brain!

[the phantom]

Two counterreveals? Ouch, my brain!

It's been done before. CoD, Holby, and Gil if I'm remembering right all revealed as the Seer one time. It was quite a laugh.

Afterwards, that is.

[Isabellkya]

If anyone is going to reveal toDay. Maybe we can schedule appointments for them? As well as give an allotted amount of pages for responses? So we don't get numerous pages of crazy cross-postings, going on?


X'd with Mnemosyne and Phantom.

[the phantom]

We could just do our own verson of a coin flip right now.

Next person to post- your teams wins.

Go!

[Mnemosyne]

I call the first slot.

I am Gandalf!

[Mnemosyne]

Rock, I totally did not see that xpost, phantom.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Maybe we can schedule appointments for them? As well as give an allotted amount of pages for responses?

Ha ha!

All right then. At around 8:30 AM I will drop by, announce that I am the secret White King, and then leave you to discuss it. I will answer questions at 1 PM. Thank you.

[Isabellkya]

You've already revealed yourself as the Secret White King, phantom.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ha ha!

All right then. At around 8:30 AM I will drop by, announce that I am the secret White King, and then leave you to discuss it. I will answer questions at 1 PM. Thank you.

Just so that we're all on the same page, what time zone is this?

I'm assuming it's CST, the only time zone that matters, but if you could clarify it for all of these troglodytes that'd be splendid.

[the phantom]

Ah, I see that Mnem won! Why don't you tell us whose side you're on, dear?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Izzy

You've already revealed yourself as the Secret White King, phantom.

I know, but I don't think anyone bought it. This time I'll actually have proof.

[Mnemosyne]

Would you believe me if I told you?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

Would you believe me if I told you?

Truth be told I'm not going to believe anything until it's all over and Shasta spells everything out.

By the way, I pronounce your name "Eminem". Can you rap?

[Isabellkya]

I think Shasta claimed White Kingship in the very first post of the thread... so too late?
Maybe you could be the Grey King?
Unless you want to be the Black King.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I would think, given the identity of our Grey Queen, that the role of Grey King suits you, Phantom.

[the phantom]

So really, we just wait around and see what everyone says.

And as no one else is here, I'm going to bed. Don't want to start the week off short on sleep.

Nighty-night.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

By the way, I pronounce your name "Eminem". Can you rap?

In your dreams. But those candy-coated chocolates? AMAZING!

M&m's, that spells mmmmm,
Mmmmm, that's the sound that you make when you eat 'em.
When I die (WHEN I DIE!), bury me in m&m's.

[the phantom]

Or perhaps the Grey Toyboy.

But seriously. Bed time.

*zzzzzz*

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Izzy

If anyone is going to reveal toDay. Maybe we can schedule appointments for them?

Very well then. Can I schedule mine for let's say...right now?

Because while you lot have been goofing off, I've actually been productive writing up a post. (Yeah I'm slow, so what?)

So anyway I just wanted to say: I told you so.

Why would Rikae call Izzy the Black Bishop, yet lynch Durelin?

Fea was evil. She was the Black Queen.

Now don't you wish you listened to me?

Though I admit, I'm not always right. I thought Rikae didn't want Izzy dead because it would discredit her. Now I'm thinking otherwise...

I've been such an awful White Queen so far; I even helped lynch a Gifted. But I hope this will make up for it:

I now know of two baddies. Yes, two. I already know Rikae is lying. Last Night I tried to make Izzy the White Knight and discovered she is not so white after all.

Unfortunately I don't dream, so I can't know the exact roles of anyone (unless I do successfully make a gifted as I did for Sally). But I suspect that perhaps Rikae didn't want to lynch Izzy over Durelin not because it would discredit her, but because she is her packmate. Of course, there's a chance I may be wrong and one is the Black Pawn.

Let me explain myself more clearly:

The White Queen is a new role with multiple powers.

1. Every Night I can choose a player whose vote will be triple times its normal amount. It's a double edged sword, as it is a power that can either hurt or help the village. My picks were:

Night 1: No one (I misread the rules of my role and didn't realise I was supposed to. Sorry. )
Night 2: phantom (whose vote brought Noggie to the lead unfortunately)
Night 3: Mnemo (which was ineffective since Hansy was already in the lead)
Night 4: Lari (who was dead by morning luckily)

2. Whenever a gifted is killed, I can replace them in the order that they died so long as I accurately choose a White Pawn. Once our final Gifted was dead, I knew that if my pick was unsuccessful they would be therefore evil. My picks should now be obvious:
Night 3: Sally
Night 4: Fea
Night 5: Izzy

I did my best to leave clues along the way, which I'll provide since I doubt anyone will bother to look through all my posts:

On Day 1, I purposely triple posted right away, which is not typical of me. I meant it to be a hint towards the triple power vote in case I needed to reveal.

Day 2, admitting my mistake of not making a pick for Night 1:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

and hopefully this time my brain will actually be turned on as I think it was turned off up until now.

A hint at phantom:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

the phantom: Seems to be acting oddly ordinary. I mean, just yesterDay he called himself Sauron and now he's the chess board janitor. What happened to the all-important, self-centered phantom I'm used to seeing?

Probably shouldn't have said aloud. I really shouldn't be provoking such behaviour...

Day 3, indicating that I know Sally is the hunter:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

And Sally...oh Sally...
She's acting funny, there's no denying that...and I can't really find much reason why she'd want to bring so much attention to herself. However, I still have the feeling that she is innocent, as insane as she is. After all, why on earth would one of the werewolves or BQ draw attention to themselves like that? And while she does seem a bit cobblerish, I also doubt that as well. Simply because the baddies have been doing quite well as it is, so there's really no reason for a Black Pawn to suddenly go suicidal. But still, what's with the odd behaviour...maybe she ate something funny. Others have mentioned she's an easy lynch, and I agree. Which is why I don't intend to vote for her toDay. Though, I still can't figure out why Sally finds me so evil. If she keeps hunting me like this, it's gonna get her nowhere.

Hinting at Mnemo:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Unless you want to be the one to push for another candidate. Do you not think you have the power to sway the voting to someone entirely different? Well understandable, as I've never been quite the persuasive person either, but you never know. Like I said, I'm undecided so I could go in any direction. So if you have a better candidate in mind, please share (so long it is not me, of course ).

And again at Sally:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Look forward to seeing it, considering you are so far very wrong about me. Perhaps your precious Hunter's screen is dirty.

Day 4, a hint that I chose Lari for vote power:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I am quite relieved she is dead, not only because she was evil, but also because I don't think I would've ever figured her out otherwise. Lari seemed to be under a lot of people's radars, some slightly suspecting her, but not enough to actually really have a look at her (except for Izzy who did so late in the Day). Her lingering presence and vote could've been quite dangerous.

And suspecting Fea (which should've been quite obvious throughout the Day):

Originally Posted by Brinniel

As of now, one player that does stick out to me is Fea who I think garners some attention. One thing I noticed looking back through the game is how strange it was that she nearly got lynched on Day 1, then in the following Days received almost no suspicion at all. Of anything else, I find that most alarming. I think I'll take a closer look at her posts come tomorrow as I have a strong hunch that she is a baddie of some sort.

I may have not given us a ranger but we now know two baddies and at least one is a wolf, if not both. Either way, our best option is to lynch Rikae or Izzy if we want any chance of winning.

[Mnemosyne]

Here do I swear fealty and service to the White Team, and to Brinniel the Queen of the realm, to speak and to be silent, to do and to let be, to come and to go, in need or plenty, in peace or war, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth, until my lady release me, or death take me, or the world end. So say I, Mnemosyne daughter of Gaia of Nebraska of the Ducklings.

In truth, I believe you not for all those proofs you cited, but because of your response to sally's first hunter hint.

[the phantom]

*casually glances at thread before crawling into bed*

*does double take*

Told you there'd be a reveal!

So, if Brin is to be believed (it sure looks convincing to me), all that matters at this point is who has the extra voting power. I doubt she gave it to Rikae or Izzy. So if she gave it to Wilwa or Mnem, and they are the Black Pawn, we lose. If she gave it to me or whichever of those two is a White Pawn, we win.

Anyway, after this bombshell no doubt there will be plenty of posts to wake up to.

Good night!

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by phantom

Anyway, after this bombshell no doubt there will be plenty of posts to wake up to.

Plenty of posts from Rikae, at least.

Ah, but we don't know if you're the cobbler, phantom.

And it could be that actually Rikae or Izzy is the cobbler.

[Isabellkya]

o.O
That scheduling works. So... give the next three pages for responses?

Just a question or two Brin.

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, so when Rikae did her fake reveal, she must have assumed that the actual White Queen would counterreveal.

So this could mean a number of things.

1). She was the Black Pawn and guessed lucky.

Pros for this argument: holy cow, this wreaks havoc, which is a cobbler's duty!

Cons: She guessed lucky. Seriously?

2). She was the Black Knight and was pushing her mate Izzy under the bus.

Pros: If she pulled off an Izzy-lynch, presumably everyone would trust her and lynch whoever counterrevealed.

Cons: Being down a Wolf with a Bear still in play? Ouch!

3). She was the Black Knight and was pushing the Black Pawn under the bus.

Pros: Well, that's a good use of a cobbler!

Cons: She couldn't have known Izzy was the cobbler, only a known innocent. So we'd have clued onto her pretty quick, and this without us knowing what exactly the WQ could do!


So what does that make Rikae? Who knows? Either way, if we're down a baddie and then down a goodie toDay, it'll just be a repeat of toDay toMorrow, depending on how exactly night kills play out.

Brinn, I am following your lead on this. But Rikae's a bold player and I'm inclined (and hoping) to think that option 2 is the correct one.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

o.O
That scheduling works. So... give the next three pages for responses?

Just a question or two Brin.

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

On the other hand, sally's opinions are just sally's. Far better, IMO, to have a known baddie--especially if this works as a method of cobbler detection, which seer dreams cannot give.

[Isabellkya]

True indeed. Opinions belong to the owner.
However, an extra Gifted would most surely hand a win to the Village.
Because, why would Brin survive the night?
Only one person goes at lynchtime.
So, if like you theorize that toMorrow would be a repeat of toDay. If there was a White Knight around - they could protect during the night. Meaning, toMorrow would not be a repeat of toDay.

How does it work as a means for Cobbler detection?

[Mnemosyne]

Forgot about that whole Knight save thing... Ah, well, there's one more Night ahead of us at this rate, eh? (that's the exclusive, not the inclusive "us," dear)

But if Brinn tried to scry a cobbler, she'd get back that "does not compute!" error, meaning that she'd know that person was evil. Not necessarily that she was a cobbler, but certainly evil. So if she scried phantom and got back "evil" she'd know exactly what he is.

[Isabellkya]

I'd say we have the whole Day ahead of us.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

So, if Brin is to be believed (it sure looks convincing to me), all that matters at this point is who has the extra voting power. I doubt she gave it to Rikae or Izzy. So if she gave it to Wilwa or Mnem, and they are the Black Pawn, we lose. If she gave it to me or whichever of those two is a White Pawn, we win.

Don't worry, I promise you no Black piece has been given extra vote power.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

Well for one thing, even if Sally was innocent, it doesn't mean she is necessarily right. Also, I may have voted for you twice, but never because I was convinced of your guilt. Day 3 I voted for you because I found it more likely that Hansy was innocent and wanted to save him. YesterDay I stated I really didn't want to vote for you because I didn't suspect you all that much. But since there was no chance of lynching Fea, I wanted to at least prove Rikae is lying. Though now I realise that your death would've just given her claim even more validity if you are indeed the Black Bishop.

Considering that both Fea and Rikae tried to get you lynched on Day 2, I thought it less likely either could be your packmates. Obviously I was wrong. Really, I should've remembered...this is Rikae and Fea we're talking about here. But discovering you were evil was not all that bad since it increases our chances of lynching a wolf.

Of course either one of you could be the Black Pawn, and I can't know for sure which two of the other three are White Pawns. But even if we get this wrong and lynch the cobbler instead, we'll still have toMorrow thanks to the gift of vote power.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

But Rikae's a bold player and I'm inclined (and hoping) to think that option 2 is the correct one.

Yes, that is what I think as well. Though I'm not sure.

[wilwarin538]

Alright ladies (and gentleman), I'm here, and wow...

I'm going to go ahead and believe Brinniel, since the beginning I've trusted both her and Rikae, but I trusted Brinn more. Aswell, her explanation as the Queen role just seems to make more sense, Rikae's was almost too safe, yes it did follow the rules of real chess (with Queen having the same role as both the Rook and the Bishop), but Shasta hasn't followed chess roles for any other piece, so why would he change it just for the Queen?

Regarding everyone else, I'll believe that Rikae and Izzy could be our last two baddies, and if everyone agrees to vote for one of them, I definitely would as well.

So that would make either phantom or Mnemo our cobbler, I have suspected Mnemo since like Day 1, so I'm thinking it could be him. I have reread phantom's posts about 54 times and I'm still leaning towards thinking him innocent, and I really truely hope I do not regret that.

So I will be around pretty consistently all day. You should find far more participation from me then from the last few days.

[Rikae]

Honestly, Shasta. A good wizard and no evil wizard. We never had a chance.

I'm completely disgusted.

++Rikae

Go ahead and lynch me asap, I want no part in this absurd excuse for a werewolf game.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Honestly, Shasta. A good wizard and no evil wizard. We never had a chance.

I'm completely disgusted.

++Rikae

Go ahead and lynch me asap, I want no part in this absurd excuse for a werewolf game.

Well, there's our cobbler if you ask me, I'm definitely not planning to go along with that vote.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, all three of our unknowns have shown up and believed Brinn. Someone is lying, and it ain't me.

wilwa, Mnemosyne was the mother of the nine muses. I am not a guy.

Let's focus on the people we know are evil first, eh?

[Mnemosyne]

Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent.

Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf.

Just putting that out there.

[Rikae]

Izzy, Phantom, I'm serious - go ahead and follow my vote. With the double-vote power thing there's no way to win. I can't believe Shasta gave Brinn all those powers - it's ridiculous. Didn't I say we should kill her? Bah.

Nice job playing along yesterDay, though. I was so pleased that you caught on to my plan.

[Mnemosyne]

Oho, the traditional "I've been proven evil and now I'm going to mess with your minds a little bit!" segment.

...What, no song and dance routine, Rikae?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Also, wilwa, if you're right and that self-vote means Rikae's the cobbler (which I by no means believe), then that means phantom's completely innocent.

Which means you, my dear, are our last wolf.

Just putting that out there.

ROFLMAO.

Nice one, Mnemi.