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[Urwen]

Nandor? Avari? Vanyar? Falathrim? Silvan? Wood-elves?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nandor? Avari? Vanyar? Falathrim? Silvan? Wood-elves?

Oh, I see where I've been unclear. When I was pointing back to this:

Originally Posted by Me

Well, yes, in that the answer is some subset of elves, but no.

I meant 'in the same way, the answer is some subset of [your answer]'.

EDIT: For the new page:

1. - Monstrous craven lord
2. - A dullard slow
3. - Faithless lords untrue
4. - Robber
5. - Poor rejected beggar
6. - Fickle folk
7. - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

So some subset of Noldor and Teleri? Silvan or Wood-Elves are the only ones that are an off-shoot branch of both.

Alternatively, both Noldor and Sindar (a subset of Teleri) eventually settled into Middle Earth. Then there is Glindur, who had both Noldor and Teleri blood. Or Orcs, who were presumably enslaved indiscriminately...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

So some subset of Noldor and Teleri? Silvan or Wood-Elves are the only ones that are an off-shoot branch of both.

Alternatively, both Noldor and Sindar (a subset of Teleri) eventually settled into Middle Earth. Then there is Glindur, who had both Noldor and Teleri blood. Or Orcs, who were presumably enslaved indiscriminately...

I think you're taking 'subset' too literally (or not literally enough?). 'Gwindor and Beleg' would be a subset of both Noldor and Sindar, as would 'the population of Rivendell'.

There is a very, very strong theme to this password; I suspect they'll all fall in rapid succession.

hS

[Urwen]

How about those Elves that Frodo and Sam saw that were returning to Aman?

Or maybe Gondolindrim, who were all about keeping the new arrivals there, but allowed dad and uncle to leave freely?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

How about those Elves that Frodo and Sam saw that were returning to Aman?

Or maybe Gondolindrim, who were all about keeping the new arrivals there, but allowed dad and uncle to leave freely?

No, but you're getting closer.

I will offer a probably-useless hint and tell you that #6 is in the author's voice.

hS

[Urwen]

I would continue, but I don't know which guess is 'getting closer', the people of Gondolin or the departing Elves.

Unless it's them...

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I would continue, but I don't know which guess is 'getting closer', the people of Gondolin or the departing Elves.

Both, though in different ways.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Unless it's them...

It is not.

hS

[Urwen]

Galdor and Glorfindel?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Galdor and Glorfindel?

Ah, yes, from the famous quote in the Council of Elrond:

Originally Posted by FotR

Beside Glorfindel there were several other fickle folk of Elrond's household, of whom Erestor was the chief; and with him was Galdor, an Elf from the Grey Havens who had come on an errand from Círdan the Shipwright, and was indeed as fickle as the rest of them. Fickleness was in fashion in Imladris at that time, and well-nigh all of Elrond's folk had turned to it.

Or maybe not.

hS

[Urwen]

So you're saying that this subset were described as fickle in the text?


Well, time to turn to my old friend, TG search box...

[Urwen]

2. Orodreth
3. Celegorm and Curufin?
6. Elves of Lorien?

[Urwen]

5. Gwindor or Brandir, possibly?

[Urwen]

1. Morgoth?

In which case, the password could be 'mocking' or 'mockery'.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

2. Orodreth
3. Celegorm and Curufin?
6. Elves of Lorien?

Originally Posted by Urwen

5. Gwindor or Brandir, possibly?

Originally Posted by Urwen

1. Morgoth?

In which case, the password could be 'mocking' or 'mockery'.

Yes, yes, no, no, yes, yes.

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
4. K - Robber
5. I - Poor rejected beggar
6. N - Fickle folk
7. G - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

And there is a snag. No 'K' characters are described as 'robber' in the text...

[Urwen]

Anyway, 7: Gurthang?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

And there is a snag. No 'K' characters are described as 'robber' in the text...

I admit that one had to be pushed a bit for the letter, but I promise it's there.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Anyway, 7: Gurthang?

Nope!

hS

[Urwen]

If we go by first letter, then Khamul is the best fit. If we go by non-first letter, then Lobelia is...

And wrought could also mean 'born'...

[Urwen]

Lies and guile makes me think of Melkor's lies to the Noldor leaders, so is the word 'GULF' by any chance?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

If we go by first letter, then Khamul is the best fit. If we go by non-first letter, then Lobelia is...

Nope and nope.

Originally Posted by Urwen

And wrought could also mean 'born'...

In this case it technically means neither.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Lies and guile makes me think of Melkor's lies to the Noldor leaders, so is the word 'GULF' by any chance?

Nope, though you're thinking down the right sort of lines.

hS

[Urwen]

Grief?

[Pervinca Took]

4. Bill Ferny?

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

4. Bill Ferny?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Grief?

Not those right sort of lines.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

4. Bill Ferny?

Nope. This particular person being accused of being a Robber is generally seen as a goodie.

hS

[Urwen]

And it doesn't have the letter K in it either. :facepalm:

[Urwen]

Anyway, Kili?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Anyway, Kili?

Nope.

The K is a title; you need the title and a person attached to it.

hS

[Urwen]

Thingol (according to SoF)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Thingol (according to SoF)

Right answer, wrong attribution!

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
KING THINGOL - Robber (per Sauron)
5. I - Poor rejected beggar
6. N - Fickle folk
7. G - Wrought of lies and guile

Originally Posted by Lay of Leithian: Canto VII

"Boldog, I hear, was lately slain
warring on the borders of that domain
where Robber Thingol and outlaw folk
cringe and crawl beneath elm and oak
in drear Doriath.

hS

[Urwen]

5. Incanus?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

5. Incanus?

Nope.

The theme is not just 'mocking'. It is much stronger than that.

hS

[Urwen]

Are the remaining letters first letters of answers, or not?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Are the remaining letters first letters of answers, or not?

They are. #6 is a denonym for a group, while #5 and #7 are single-word personal names.

hS

[Urwen]

6. Nandor (it's the only remaining group beginning with N)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

6. Nandor (it's the only remaining group beginning with N)

No it isn't.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

No it isn't.

hS

This says otherwise.

[Galadriel55]

I am ashamed to say I that my memory of these direct quotes is sadly lacking. I feel like 7 might be applicable to Glaurung, but I also have a feeling that he doesn't quite fit the theme.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

This says otherwise.

Oh! Well, I must not have written a clue starting with N and using a direct quote referring directly to a group of Elves.

Or -- maybe I did.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am ashamed to say I that my memory of these direct quotes is sadly lacking. I feel like 7 might be applicable to Glaurung, but I also have a feeling that he doesn't quite fit the theme.

You're going to feel very silly.

Not Glaurung.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Oh! Well, I must not have written a clue starting with N and using a direct quote referring directly to a group of Elves.
hS

Then how do you explain this group not being on TG? Everything there is to know is on there, so why isn't it?

Furthermore, I only have core books (e.g. LOTR, Hobbit, Silm, CoH) and FoG. Things like Lay of Leithian and all that are not in my possession, so if you expect me to get the clues from anything I don't own, then know that it won't happen.