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Beregond · 12-06-2008, 10:35 AM

Can we have a hint, please? This question kept me up last night and I still couldn't find a relationship between Legolas and Saruman. I think it might be something they said?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beregond

Can we have a hint, please? This question kept me up last night and I still couldn't find a relationship between Legolas and Saruman. I think it might be something they said?

Oh, Yes, indeed, since you ask, it was expressed by something they said. It was a kind of... common view of things

Like for example if they had met somewhere (if they happened to sit together in an inn, or in a train or something

) and started to talk, they could discover that they have this thing in common.

Beregond · 12-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Clearly this is a two-hint question.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2008, 12:41 PM

All right, you see, this is something they would both agree on, some kind of opinion they had in common, and they both expressed it in their words at some point. Each of them at least once. But they both did not necessarily express it just by words - only I think the words are most apparent.

Hmm, I had some better hint in mind last time when you asked, but unfortunately, I forgot it, apparently

But if you ask for more hints, hopefully I can come up with something better. This is just for now.

Inziladun · 12-27-2008, 01:43 PM

Would it be something along the lines of both believing the time of the Elves to be over, and the time of Men beginning?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-28-2008, 05:00 AM

Nay. I am sure there were more people who thought that - many Elves, like Galadriel, for example.

The thing in concern was expressed by Legolas in a far "milder" way than Saruman did. Nevertheless, it is obvious that their opinion on this thing is shared.

They would disagree on this with almost all the other characters in the Fellowship.

Pitchwife · 12-28-2008, 10:16 AM

They both disapproved of / were annoyed with other people smoking the weed of the halflings.
I don't have the books with me to give you exact quotes, but the situations were these:
- Legolas with his companions in the ruins of Isengard (Flotsam and Jetsam)
- Saruman with Gandalf at the White Council, before he took up the habit himself (somewhere in Unfinished Tales).

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-28-2008, 10:33 AM

Now, that's what I call a 'Downs entrée! It is exactly like that, indeed. Well done, and let me welcome you by the means of this on the Downs, Pitchwife! And you can post a new question here rightaway.

The Might · 12-28-2008, 10:56 AM

Wow, good job there!

Pitchwife · 12-28-2008, 11:25 AM

Thanks for the warm welcome!
Now let me see... off the top of my head, here goes:

Tuor
Maglor
Thorin Oakenshield
Galadriel

Thinlómien · 12-28-2008, 11:36 AM

They all played the harp?

The Might · 12-28-2008, 11:39 AM

Hmm, the only thing I see connecting the dwarf to the other characters is Orcrist.

So, maybe they all had something made in Gondolin.

Thorin with Orcrist.
Galadriel with the Elessar.
Tuor had... Idril? Or something else, he did live there after all.
And Maglor...bah, no idea at all there.

EDIT: somehow I feel Lommy is correct.

Pitchwife · 12-28-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

They all played the harp?

Exactly!

Thinlómien · 12-29-2008, 06:09 AM

Alright, then.

What do

Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin

have in common with

Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli?

Pitchwife · 12-29-2008, 04:27 PM

Both groups lost their horses/ponies at some point of the story? (FSMP at Bree, ALG on the outskirts of Fangorn Forest after their encounter with Saruman/Gandalf/Saruman's spectre/Gandalf's spectre/whoever it may have been...)

Beregond · 12-30-2008, 12:24 AM

Pitchwife's connection is excellent, but I'll have a go.

Perhaps I would be right in saying that the third-person narrative only follows the four hobbits and the three hunters? It does not follow Gandalf or Boromir when they are alone. I do not remember if Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn are ever followed separately; maybe this is why you grouped them together.

(but the narrative also follows Fatty Bolger, and maybe more)

Thinlómien · 01-06-2009, 12:29 PM

Pitchwife is on the right track, but I'd like him to give a more precise answer.

The Might · 01-06-2009, 02:48 PM

Maybe that someone else deliberately got rid of the rides?

So this spectre/Saruman/whatever scaring the horses off into the plains of Rohan and someone else letting the ponies ride away in search of Lumpkin.

Beregond · 01-06-2009, 02:52 PM

I have a feeling it's more like:

Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin had their ponies scared off, but they were found by another horse: Fatty Lumpkin.

Aragorn, Legolas (and Gimli) had their horses, Arod and Hasufel, scared off, only to be found by another horse: Shadowfax.

So both groups had horses fall into the care of another..."uber-caretaker-equine" if you will.

Thinlómien · 01-06-2009, 02:58 PM

Yes, Beregond, that's what I was thinking of.

Please take the thread (unless you wish to be very gallant and give it to Pitchwife

).

Beregond · 01-06-2009, 03:02 PM

I actually do want to be very gallant and give it to him, because there's no way I would have connected the missing horses as the one thing in common! Like Morgoth, I merely "refined" what was there.

But I don't want to delay the thread. Pitchwife, if you see this, go ahead andask a new question! Otherwise, if a day has passed, I'll try to think one up myself.

Thinlómien · 01-06-2009, 03:04 PM

Seems like a good solution.

Pitchwife · 01-08-2009, 12:58 PM

Thanks for the offer, Beregond, but I don't have a question ready at the moment and won't be able to post for a couple of days anyway. Go ahead!

Beregond · 01-08-2009, 04:21 PM

This is hard!

Okay - what do Glorfindel and Pippin have in common?

Ilya · 01-22-2009, 10:07 PM

They both have fair hair?

Beregond · 01-22-2009, 10:38 PM

Thanks for guessing, but, no!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-23-2009, 04:20 AM

They are both saving somebody who is just fainting from being almost killed by Nazgul?

Beregond · 01-23-2009, 08:36 AM

That's a good connection, but not what I'm looking for.

The Might · 01-23-2009, 09:55 AM

Maybe fighting to save someone they cared for?
Glorfindel with the Balrog like Pippin with the troll?

Beregond · 01-23-2009, 10:16 AM

I don't think that would be unique to them...

You're not warm.

Pitchwife · 01-23-2009, 06:18 PM

Both of them left a jewel behind as a sign for somebody following: Glorfindel's beryl on the bridge of Mitheithel for Frodo and Aragorn, Pippin's Lorien brooch in the grass of Rohan for the Three Hunters. (Note that Aragorn was involved in both cases!)

Beregond · 01-23-2009, 09:38 PM

Aha, very cunning, and 100% correct!

Pitchwife · 01-24-2009, 11:58 AM

That was a nice one.

OK - while we're talking about Glorfindel, what does he have in common with Fingolfin?

Pitchwife · 02-02-2009, 06:12 PM

I'd hate to kill this thread, so here's a hint: It happened to both of them after their death. (And yes, that means I'm talking about Glorfindel of Gondolin, whether he was the same person as Glorfindel of Rivendell or not.)

Nerwen · 02-02-2009, 07:03 PM

Their bodies were salvaged by Thorondor.

Eönwë · 02-03-2009, 02:39 AM

The Ban was lifted?

Pitchwife · 02-03-2009, 11:12 AM

Nerwen, you've got it - Thorondor the Winged Undertaker is the answer.
Your thread!

Nerwen · 02-04-2009, 03:34 AM

I have returned from delving into the prehistory of the Downs. All these ancient, forgotten names... what has become of those who bore them once? Do they lurk here still? Or have they moved onwards, seeking greener forums?

*blinks*

...Er, I mean, I've been going through this thread, looking for something that hasn't been done already. Quite hard.

Well, then. What do

Arwen

and

Celebrimbor

have in common?

Thinlómien · 02-04-2009, 12:50 PM

They both gave something valuable to Galadriel's keeping?

Nerwen · 02-04-2009, 05:52 PM

Sorry, no. (But yes, Unfinished Tales is relevant).

12-06-2008, 10:35 AM	#961
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Can we have a hint, please? This question kept me up last night and I still couldn't find a relationship between Legolas and Saruman. I think it might be something they said? __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

12-15-2008, 10:49 PM	#963
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Clearly this is a two-hint question. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

12-19-2008, 12:41 PM	#964
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right, you see, this is something they would both agree on, some kind of opinion they had in common, and they both expressed it in their words at some point. Each of them at least once. But they both did not necessarily express it just by words - only I think the words are most apparent. Hmm, I had some better hint in mind last time when you asked, but unfortunately, I forgot it, apparently But if you ask for more hints, hopefully I can come up with something better. This is just for now. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-27-2008, 01:43 PM	#965
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Would it be something along the lines of both believing the time of the Elves to be over, and the time of Men beginning? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

12-28-2008, 05:00 AM	#966
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Nay. I am sure there were more people who thought that - many Elves, like Galadriel, for example. The thing in concern was expressed by Legolas in a far "milder" way than Saruman did. Nevertheless, it is obvious that their opinion on this thing is shared. They would disagree on this with almost all the other characters in the Fellowship. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-28-2008, 10:16 AM	#967
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	They both disapproved of / were annoyed with other people smoking the weed of the halflings. I don't have the books with me to give you exact quotes, but the situations were these: - Legolas with his companions in the ruins of Isengard (Flotsam and Jetsam) - Saruman with Gandalf at the White Council, before he took up the habit himself (somewhere in Unfinished Tales).

12-28-2008, 10:33 AM	#968
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Now, that's what I call a 'Downs entrée! It is exactly like that, indeed. Well done, and let me welcome you by the means of this on the Downs, Pitchwife! And you can post a new question here rightaway. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-28-2008, 10:56 AM	#969
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Wow, good job there! __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-28-2008, 11:25 AM	#970
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Thanks for the warm welcome! Now let me see... off the top of my head, here goes: Tuor Maglor Thorin Oakenshield Galadriel

12-28-2008, 11:36 AM	#971
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	They all played the harp? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-28-2008, 11:39 AM	#972
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Hmm, the only thing I see connecting the dwarf to the other characters is Orcrist. So, maybe they all had something made in Gondolin. Thorin with Orcrist. Galadriel with the Elessar. Tuor had... Idril? Or something else, he did live there after all. And Maglor...bah, no idea at all there. EDIT: somehow I feel Lommy is correct. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-29-2008, 06:09 AM	#974
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Alright, then. What do Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin have in common with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-29-2008, 04:27 PM	#975
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Both groups lost their horses/ponies at some point of the story? (FSMP at Bree, ALG on the outskirts of Fangorn Forest after their encounter with Saruman/Gandalf/Saruman's spectre/Gandalf's spectre/whoever it may have been...)

12-30-2008, 12:24 AM	#976
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Pitchwife's connection is excellent, but I'll have a go. Perhaps I would be right in saying that the third-person narrative only follows the four hobbits and the three hunters? It does not follow Gandalf or Boromir when they are alone. I do not remember if Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn are ever followed separately; maybe this is why you grouped them together. (but the narrative also follows Fatty Bolger, and maybe more) __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green." Last edited by Beregond; 12-30-2008 at 12:27 AM.

01-06-2009, 12:29 PM	#977
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Pitchwife is on the right track, but I'd like him to give a more precise answer. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-06-2009, 02:48 PM	#978
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Maybe that someone else deliberately got rid of the rides? So this spectre/Saruman/whatever scaring the horses off into the plains of Rohan and someone else letting the ponies ride away in search of Lumpkin. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-06-2009, 02:52 PM	#979
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	I have a feeling it's more like: Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin had their ponies scared off, but they were found by another horse: Fatty Lumpkin. Aragorn, Legolas (and Gimli) had their horses, Arod and Hasufel, scared off, only to be found by another horse: Shadowfax. So both groups had horses fall into the care of another..."uber-caretaker-equine" if you will. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-06-2009, 02:58 PM	#980
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Yes, Beregond, that's what I was thinking of. Please take the thread (unless you wish to be very gallant and give it to Pitchwife ). __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-06-2009, 03:02 PM	#981
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	I actually do want to be very gallant and give it to him, because there's no way I would have connected the missing horses as the one thing in common! Like Morgoth, I merely "refined" what was there. But I don't want to delay the thread. Pitchwife, if you see this, go ahead andask a new question! Otherwise, if a day has passed, I'll try to think one up myself. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-06-2009, 03:04 PM	#982
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Seems like a good solution. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-08-2009, 12:58 PM	#983
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Thanks for the offer, Beregond, but I don't have a question ready at the moment and won't be able to post for a couple of days anyway. Go ahead! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#984
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	This is hard! Okay - what do Glorfindel and Pippin have in common? __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-22-2009, 10:07 PM	#985
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	They both have fair hair? __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

01-22-2009, 10:38 PM	#986
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Thanks for guessing, but, no! __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-23-2009, 04:20 AM	#987
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	They are both saving somebody who is just fainting from being almost killed by Nazgul? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-23-2009, 08:36 AM	#988
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	That's a good connection, but not what I'm looking for. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-23-2009, 09:55 AM	#989
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Maybe fighting to save someone they cared for? Glorfindel with the Balrog like Pippin with the troll? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-23-2009, 10:16 AM	#990
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	I don't think that would be unique to them... You're not warm. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-23-2009, 06:18 PM	#991
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Both of them left a jewel behind as a sign for somebody following: Glorfindel's beryl on the bridge of Mitheithel for Frodo and Aragorn, Pippin's Lorien brooch in the grass of Rohan for the Three Hunters. (Note that Aragorn was involved in both cases!) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

01-23-2009, 09:38 PM	#992
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Aha, very cunning, and 100% correct! __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-24-2009, 11:58 AM	#993
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	That was a nice one. OK - while we're talking about Glorfindel, what does he have in common with Fingolfin? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-02-2009, 06:12 PM	#994
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	I'd hate to kill this thread, so here's a hint: It happened to both of them after their death. (And yes, that means I'm talking about Glorfindel of Gondolin, whether he was the same person as Glorfindel of Rivendell or not.) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-02-2009, 07:03 PM	#995
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Their bodies were salvaged by Thorondor. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

02-03-2009, 02:39 AM	#996
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	The Ban was lifted? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-03-2009, 11:12 AM	#997
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Nerwen, you've got it - Thorondor the Winged Undertaker is the answer. Your thread! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI