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[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Is #5 a Mewlips reference? The poem actually features "dark and wet" in its second line. The obvious answer would be MARSH (of Tode), but I see the Mewlips don't actually live there; they live Beyond. SLIME, maybe?

Also that's a really creepy poem.

hS

Right poem. Right simile. The simile isn't about the slime or the marsh, though, is it?

[Pervinca Took]

Copied to the next page.

1. He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
2. Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
5. It's in a simile for a dark and wet place.
6. Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
11. Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Right poem. Right simile. The simile isn't about the slime or the marsh, though, is it?

I think I managed to briefly forget the definition of 'simile'. INK?

... VERSIFICATIONS for the password?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

V: He who harbours this looks out in wonder.
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
I: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Well done.

The second clue is a trick question. Look on page 25, (Arabic numerals, not Roman), of Kullervo.

[Galadriel55]

V must be for VINGILOT. And the description makes sense for Earendil. But I can't recall a matching line in Bilbo's song. Besides, that song was already used. Is it the other version, Errantry?

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
I: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here.
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

See above.

[Huinesoron]

I: IMLADRIS? Because... it's got 'lad' in the middle, and Boromir was a first-born who carried the rhyme that names it.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Correct, but it's IRIS embracing the first letter of M(other) and LAD.

[Galadriel55]

F: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.

I got as far as FROM + GO, which admittedly is not very far.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I got as far as FROM + GO, which admittedly is not very far.

What's another word for kidding?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

What's another word for kidding?

Joking. Joshing. Jesting.

[Pervinca Took]

More like messing about.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

More like messing about.

Teasing? Goofing? Fooling around? Fiddling? Frolicking? I'm trying to incorporate an F in there...

[Pervinca Took]

One of those is right.

And the song/poem is not in LOTR or TH.

[Galadriel55]

A completely unexplained guess of Felagund / Finrod, because I would kick myself so hard if it was him all along, given that I spent the last several days surrounded by references to him.

[Pervinca Took]

It's a rarer name than that.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

One of those is right.

And the song/poem is not in LOTR or TH.

I quite like 'goof', because it's almost 'go off', which could be an order to leave. Then we'd need to stick 'sourcing with direction' on the beginning, which given the F I want to be 'font' + a direction letter.

Except that doesn't come together to make a name, which is a slight problem.

I think at this point we're going to need some hints for both of them. I don't own Kullervo, so that clue can't help me.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

OK, the F clue's answer can be found in HOME 3, 'The Lays Of Beleriand.'

It's not 'goof.' It's one of the others Galadriel suggested, but without the adjacent preposition.

I could take a picture of the relevant page from 'Kullervo,' but could I upload such a picture here, and if so, how?

[Huinesoron]

[QUOTE=Pervinca Took;728124]OK, the F clue's answer can be found in HOME 3, 'The Lays Of Beleriand.'

It's not 'goof.' It's one of the others Galadriel suggested, but without the adjacent preposition. [/quotes]

[Picks up Lays of Beleriand, opens to a random page]

Then he woke in wonder; his wit was healed,
courage him comforted, and he called alloud
Flinding go-Fuilin, to his feet striding.

... FUILIN? As an alternate/early name of Guilin father of Gwindor?

I mean, I can't fit it to any of the rest of the clue, but that's never stopped me before!

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I could take a picture of the relevant page from 'Kullervo,' but could I upload such a picture here, and if so, how?

Um. The Downs doesn't have its own image hosting, does it? In which case, I think you'd need to upload it somewhere (imgur is pretty simple to use) and use the Insert Image button to add it to a post.

Or put it up on a Google Doc and link to it? I don't know, anything like that.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (Lost Tales II)
E: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches?
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
FLINDING-GO-FUILIN: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is. (The Lays Of Beleriand)
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is.

Sourcing = FINDING
Sourcing with direction = FLINDING
An order to leave = GO
Sounds like kidding = FUILIN

Simples!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

... FUILIN? As an alternate/early name of Guilin father of Gwindor?

I mean, I can't fit it to any of the rest of the clue, but that's never stopped me before!

Good find!

I don't have Kullervo either, and Google doesn't yield an easily accessible character list from that work. I feel like we might need to either capitulate on this one, or beg for a clue we can solve working forwards.

[Pervinca Took]

OK then. From page 25 of 'The Story Of Kullervo' :-

'When the sun to rest has sunken
And the bird of Eve is singing
As the twilight draweth closer
Speak thou to my horned creatures
Saying come ye hoofed cattle
Come ye homeward trending homeward.'

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

And the bird of Eve is singing

Yeah, this one had to be given to us. I would never have been able to guess it without your quote.

[Pervinca Took]

VINGELOT: He who harbours this looks out in wonder. (The Shores Of Faery, Lost Tales II)
EVE: Does her bird sing as twilight approaches? (The Story Of Kullervo, Page 25)
ROAD: A steed with great stamina? Well, he unravels to reveal something else that just goes on and on. (FOTR & ROTK)
SLOE: Hobbits sound leisurely at this point, even without the help of this kind of gin? (Upon The Hearth, FOTR).
INK: It's in a simile for a dark and wet place. (The Mewlips)
FLINDING-GO-FUILIN: Sourcing with direction precedes an order to leave - sounds like kidding, though! Well, there he is. (The Lays Of Beleriand)
ILMARIN: Beach where a sick sailor doesn't hesitate, we hear. (I Sang of Leaves, FOTR)
COLD (WATER): We may be glad of this variety of clear liquid, but its brother is said to be nobler. (Water Hot, FOTR)
ALDER: One of a collection of soporific trees. (Lullaby, The Hobbit)
TINUVIEL: Goodbye to honeyed soil and a Yorkshire atmosphere, since she is gone too? (Farewell Sweet Earth And Northern Sky, The Silmarillion)
IMLADRIS: Goddess embraces mother's first boy here. (Seek for the Sword that was Broken, FOTR)
OLIPHAUNT: Gandalf 'expletifies' some of his cousins, for Bilbo has forgotten to dust the mantlepiece! (TTT)
NIGHT OF NAUGHT: Head-rhyme *and* pararhyme!? It's nasal! It's nocturnal! It’s nihilistic! (Earendil Was A Mariner, FOTR)
SPELLS: Too many beans at the Unexpected Party? Well, the dwarves made mighty ones, but not only their very pongy soundalikes! (Far Over The Misty Mountains Old, The Hobbit)

I wanted to include some of the rarer tomes and verses too.

About Vingelot: although Wingelot is the spelling in 'The Shores Of Faery' as it's printed in Lost Tales II, Vingelot does appear in footnotes as a variant.

Well done, thank you for your patience, and over, I think, to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

Phew - that was a tough one! Nicely done, Pervinca.

I do remember I need to do this, and I even have an idea - just haven't put it together yet.

EDIT: And now I have.

1. - Monstrous craven lord
2. - A dullard slow
3. - Faithless lords untrue
4. - Robber
5. - Poor rejected beggar
6. - Fickle folk
7. - Wrought of lies and guile

hS

[Urwen]

3 sounds like that person.

So does 5.

[Urwen]

And Salgant was described as a craven in the text, and was an accomplice during the FoG.

Therefore, I will deduce say that 1 is Salgant and 3 is Glindur. You're welcome.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

And Salgant was described as a craven in the text, and was an accomplice during the FoG.

Therefore, I will deduce say that 1 is Salgant and 3 is Glindur. You're welcome.

Hi! Given how long the last password went on, it feels like ages since I've seen you.

Anyway, no to either of these.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Hi! Given how long the last password went on, it feels like ages since I've seen you.

Anyway, no to either of these.

hS

It would have been fitting, though.

Could the last one be the One Ring?

Then again, the password would end in either T or O, and it would be an atypical ending to one...

[Urwen]

Theme seems to be untrustworthy folk or things, to which both Salgant and Glindur would fit in.

[Galadriel55]

5. Saruman?

[Pervinca Took]

6. ELVES, who say both Yes and No?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Could the last one be the One Ring?

Then again, the password would end in either T or O, and it would be an atypical ending to one...

It is not.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Theme seems to be untrustworthy folk or things, to which both Salgant and Glindur would fit in.

And this is not the theme.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

5. Saruman?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

6. ELVES, who say both Yes and No?

No.

Well, yes, in that the answer is some subset of elves, but no.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

5. Wormtongue?

[Urwen]

6. Noldor?

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

4. - Robber

Bilbo?

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

7. - Wrought of lies and guile

The Nazgul?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. Wormtongue?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Urwen

6. Noldor?

Nope, but the same sort of nope.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Bilbo?

The Nazgul?

Nope nope.

The question 'according to who?' was on my mind while making this one. Not sure if that'll help.

hS

[Urwen]

Teleri/Sindar?

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

4. - Robber

According to who...Well Melkor was a thief according to...everyone, but mainly Feanor.

And Bilbo was a "burglar" according to the Dwarves and Smaug.

And Frodo was a thief according to Gollum (at least in the movies Gollum directly called Frodo a thief. I don't remember the books very well).

And technically Luthien and Beren were thieves since they stole the Silmarils from Melkor.

I don't recall anyone being directly called a robber. Maybe the Sackville Baggins for stealing Bilbo's spoons?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Teleri/Sindar?

Debatably also 'no in the same sense'.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

According to who...Well Melkor was a thief according to...everyone, but mainly Feanor.

And Bilbo was a "burglar" according to the Dwarves and Smaug.

And Frodo was a thief according to Gollum (at least in the movies Gollum directly called Frodo a thief. I don't remember the books very well).

And technically Luthien and Beren were thieves since they stole the Silmarils from Melkor.

I don't recall anyone being directly called a robber. Maybe the Sackville Baggins for stealing Bilbo's spoons?

Tolkien would almost certainly have distinguished between burglar (breaks into a house to steal stuff), thief (steals from someone without their knowledge) and robber (steals from someone by threat or use of force). Melkor, Bilbo, and Beren and Luthien were all burglars; Bilbo (for the Ring) and Lobelia were thieves. I believe the burglary trumps the use of force in Melkor's case, though I can't say for sure. Ungoliant was an (attempted) robber when she attacked Melkor. It's not her, though.

In this case, the word is straight from the text. Whether it's true or not... ah, that would be telling.

hS