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[Kath]

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Kath

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

*facepalm* I was trying to work backwards by going through Dwarven property associated with a colour.

[Pervinca Took]

DURIN'S BANE: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property? (orange)
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
EBONY: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep? (black)
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
EGLANTINE: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle. (pink)
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
SKIN: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower? (scarlet)

EBONY is right, and gives us the shade of black. Earendil's arrows are shorn of ebony, and it is usually a SHEEP that is SHORN. (Not just Shaun the Sheep. A sheep shorn for summer, after shearing, has always been a shorn sheep).

Originally Posted by Kath

A bean? I don't know what you mean by 'isolate it' though.

You've just done it! You've isolated BEAN from beanstalk!

Now, muddle BEAN up. Just a little.

And remember that some of the things we own can be a little abstract.

EDIT: You either hadn't posted this while I was putting in EBONY, or there was a new page and I didn't see it:-

Originally Posted by Kath

Ohhhhh! Durin's Bane! Because BANE is BEAN muddled. So whatever colour you're counting the balrog as - red, black, shadowy?

ORANGE. Fiery.

I don't think Tolkien liked the word 'orange' at all. It only occurs once in 'The Hobbit.' And I think once or not at all in LOTR. I searched for it in online versions of the text, trying to get ideas for a clue. Fire, eyes, sun, etc always seem to be red or yellow in Tolkien.

Well done all, and over to Urwen!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

You've just done it! You've isolated BEAN from beanstalk!

Now, muddle BEAN up. Just a little.

And remember that some of the things we own can be a little abstract.

You've cross-posted.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

You've cross-posted.

I know. Everything is edited in now, though.

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
3. Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
4. Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

Is 3 DAERON ... ROAD + EN(GLISH) for British?

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
4. Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

5. Feanor?

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

Bilbo?

4. Aredhel?

[Urwen]

1. Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
2. More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
5. A skilled linguist.

No to Bilbo.

[Pervinca Took]

ELDAR, perhaps, for the password?

[Urwen]

E: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
L: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
R: A skilled linguist.

[Pervinca Took]

I think R must be RUMIL, the inventor of writing.

Is L Legolas?

[Urwen]

E: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
LEGOLAS: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
RUMIL: A skilled linguist.

[Galadriel55]

Elrond for the last one, the Elf of the Cave?


Pervinca, that password was brilliant! Durin's Bane is my favourite. The whole thing was well thought out and references so many things!

[Urwen]

No. Cave is both straight and cryptic. He is also the person that the song 'Eldar' by Blind Guardian is centered around.

[Kath]

Well, that song is about Finrod Felagund but if it has to begin with an e then ... Edennil?

[Urwen]

EDENNIL: Find him in a cave surrounded by a meandering river.
LEGOLAS: More famous than his dad. Friendly competition.
DAERON: Briefly, british road is muddled for a singer (in love).
AREDHEL: Struck with a pointy end.
RUMIL: A skilled linguist.

And over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

I hadn't heard of the name Edennil! Nice one, Urwen. Especially making one element both straight and cryptic.

Glad you liked the last one, G55. Hope you all like this one too.


1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
9. Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
11. A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

[Kath]

I don't suppose 9 is Guthwine?

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Kath

I don't suppose 9 is Guthwine?

No, but it's quite similar. One might say it's half right.

If you keep something, you kind of .... it.

[Kath]

Ahh could it be Holdwine - young master Meriadoc?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
11. A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

[Kath]

Could 11 be Goldilocks? The bride of Faramir I, son of Pippin.

[Kath]

And 3 maybe Laketown - or Esgaroth?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
3. Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
8. Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

Well done with Goldilocks - I thought people would guess Diamond first!

No to Laketown/Esgaroth. The key word is 'temporary.'

[Huinesoron]

#2 made me immediately think of Meriadoc the Magnificent, but you've already got him. Then I started thinking of ponies, wondering if one of the Hobbits' original five had a name that fit. I don't see one, but I did rediscover the fact that Sam picks up old faithful Bill at Bree on the way home, and actually rides him to the Grey Havens and back.

Which means that Bill the Pony is the fourth-to-last character in The Lord of the Rings, which is kind of charming.

(But doesn't answer the password, probably.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

#2 made me immediately think of Meriadoc the Magnificent, but you've already got him. Then I started thinking of ponies, wondering if one of the Hobbits' original five had a name that fit. I don't see one, but I did rediscover the fact that Sam picks up old faithful Bill at Bree on the way home, and actually rides him to the Grey Havens and back.

Which means that Bill the Pony is the fourth-to-last character in The Lord of the Rings, which is kind of charming.

(But doesn't answer the password, probably.)

hS

Stick with Meriadoc. It's not his name, though, but a word used to describe him.

(P.S. I hope it was OK that I did a colours password. It was because I loved the 'Rainbow' one so much and wanted more).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

(P.S. I hope it was OK that I did a colours password. It was because I loved the 'Rainbow' one so much and wanted more).

Of course! Part of the fun is seeing how different people tackle different themes or words, I'm never going to complain about that. I'm glad you enjoyed it!

hS

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Stick with Meriadoc. It's not his name, though, but a word used to describe him.

Loyal?

I'm beginning to feel this is just lots of names for Merry. Because the main hero of a botanical tome could be him as well given he wrote Herblore of the Shire.

[Kath]

Number 3 ... Lake Evendim? Even = flat and dim could be subdued.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Pervinca

10. Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).

This is making me think about Legolas and Gimli leaving Middle Earth. And they go down the Anduin but I don't know about the part in brackets.

[Huinesoron]

#8: I was busily thinking of Frodo, who was temporarily mayor & wound up on an island, but that first part looked too cryptic...

And then I remembered that 'Tolman' is a Hobbitish name, and is Tol (-in-Gaurhoth) + man. Looked it up, and lo and behold, TOLMAN COTTON (a very good material) served as Sam's deputy mayor while Sam himself was off in Gondor.

(Which is deeply nepotistic - nepotic? - given that each of them had married the other's sister. But that's the Shire for you.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Maytime, more or less – but now tertiary in Gondor?
2. The magnificent one is constant. And hearty. Remains so at his final summons.
EVENDIM (LAKE): Flat and subdued? A waterside billet – temporary, but kingly.
4. Troubled? Yes, we hear she’s a convicted murderer.
5. The main hero of a botanical tome?
6. Here, beneath Orthanc and Cirith Ungol?
7. Flipping heck! Roheryn’s mate for a festival? Translate!
TOLMAN COTTON: Island chap – good material for a temporary mayor?
HOLDWINE: Keep the champagne and the claret! Rohan calls you once more!
ANDUIN: Alternative route to paradise for the final two. (Well, part of it. Arguably).
GOLDILOCKS: A bride fit for a future Thain?
12. Trumpet loses one note, to gain two more and reveal him.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

#8: I was busily thinking of Frodo

I do that. A lot.

Although I am also currently doing a mammoth rewatch of 'Life on Mars' and 'Ashes to Ashes,' and am at the point of the saga where I always fall in love with Detective Constable Chris Skelton, who is more like Pippin than Frodo.

Ewww - Pippin's my brother! Well, my non-LOTR self loves Chris Skelton - I'm neither Took nor Hobbit in the Geneverse, I guess.

Originally Posted by Kath

This is making me think about Legolas and Gimli leaving Middle Earth. And they go down the Anduin but I don't know about the part in brackets.

The brackets are because Anduin would only get them as far as the Sea, and the Sea itself isn't paradise - that's beyond the Sea. so it's only part of the route to paradise. Arguably ... because I am a little unclear about how Legolas gets over to Tol Eressea. Does he sail to Lindon and board one of Cirdan's ships? Or does he sail West from another point - is he himself able to hallow a ship so it will take the Straight Road - can anyone enlighten me?

Quite right on Lake Evendim - Aragorn and Arwen's temporary pad, because Aragorn leads by example and forbids men to set foot in the Shire. He stays near it, and his friends visit him there.

[Kath]

6 must be Undertowers?

[Kath]

Ooh and is the adjective for Merry 'hale'?

[Kath]

And this might be too much of a stretch, but could the main hero of a botanical tome be Old Toby?

[Galadriel55]

12. Cryptically I get to BEORN, from horn - H + B + E. But he doesn't fit with either the theme or the letter.