Password

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

MERRY?

He wrote 'Herblore of the Shire.'

I think I said 'merry' in the Bombadil quotation. 'Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow.'

Correct (and yes you did).

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Could 4 be KUDUK, Hobbitish for hobbit? Sounds a bit like 'cute duck' with the T sound missing from the heart of it.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Looking at those letters .....

... is the password SMOKING?

Yep! Very nicely done.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

In which case,

6. NICOTINE or NICOTIANA. Tolkien said the hobbits' pipeweed was probably a variant of this.

NICOTINA, specifically, as in 'Nic or Tina'. So yep.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

So I think the last one must be GALENAS, but let me work backwards and find out why ....

Well, 'Fourth Book of Mormon' in Google brings up GENESIS as a possible answer if that were a crossword clue. I was thinking of that fairly recent musical, although I haven't seen it.

Could GAL be the genderbend element, from, er ... GEN(T)???

Okay, you've got the right answer, at least... the fourth book in The Book of Mormon (the book, not the musical) is called Enos; genderbent, he would be Gal Enos. "O, no - a" makes the correction.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. Maybe SOUTHERN STAR? That's a brand of pipeweed from the Shire. Aragorn's new home us in the south of Middle-earth, in Minas Tirith, and seven stars are an emblem of Numenor?

Correct answer, as is the 'home' element. Aragorn presumably wore the Star of the Dunedain at some point (plus of course the Star of Elendil, though I don't think that was a badge).

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

3. OLD TOBY. OLD = ancient, TOB(LERONE) is chocolate shaped as joined together prisms and Y ends the word 'lightly.'

And this is spot on.

SOUTHERN STAR - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
MERRY - The happy author.
OLD TOBY - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
KUDUK - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
5. I - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
NICOTINA - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
GALENAS - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

Well, at least you didn't quite one-shot the puzzle...!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Remember I DRANN, Huinesoron!?

Oh, ruddy heck. That isn't the final answer, is it? The home of most of the pipeweed?

Hang on. No.

It's INCANUS, isn't it? We need Gandalf in a password about smoking.

INCA for Peruvian and NUS for National Union of Students?

Is noR a typo, in the Nicotina clue, or have I missed something?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Remember I DRANN, Huinesoron!?

Oh, ruddy heck. That isn't the final answer, is it? The home of most of the pipeweed?

Hang on. No.

It's INCANUS, isn't it? We need Gandalf in a password about smoking.

INCA for Peruvian and NUS for National Union of Students?

More to the point, we need vowels... Incanus it is.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is noR a typo, in the Nicotina clue, or have I missed something?

Well, the answer isn't Nic oR Tina, is it? no R!

SOUTHERN STAR - Aragorn's badge in his new home, a noted kind.
MERRY - The happy author.
OLD TOBY - Ancient, begin a prism of chocolate but end lightly, respected.
KUDUK - In the original, sounds like a cute duck with no heart.
INCANUS - Peruvian students' union? Only in the south!
NICOTINA - Nicole or Christina? Say it shortly noR in Latin.
GALENAS - In Gondor, genderbend the fourth Book of Mormon. Oh no, ahh!

Theme: Pipe-weed

Over to you.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Brilliant password, Huinesoron!

Now then:

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
8. A bloom to greet a princess.
9. Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
10. Seven required on Shire wills.
11. A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
14. It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

#10: I'm almost positive this is SIGNATURES, probably as mentioned during the opening of The Hobbit.

#14: The SILMARIL? With the mariner being either Elwing or Earendil.

#11: Merry (I think it's Merry) is left with a SCAR.

The password is therefore obviously a very Gollum-esque SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
8. A bloom to greet a princess.
9. Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
14. It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Not a Silmaril.

Needed an H, so calling Merry Holdwine, like Eomer & Co did.

The seven signatures required for Shire wills are mentioned very early in LOTR, (very soon after the Long-Expected Party, in fact), when OTHO (remember him? ) is about to contest Bilbo's will, and realises that he can't. Bilbo has made it watertight. And Sackville-Baggins-proof. With the legally required seven signatures in red ink.

Neither Shhhhh nor Ssssss nor any variants thereof are the password, I'm afraid.

[Galadriel55]

9 remimds me of Greycloak, and since Gandalf is not a lord of people, perhaps Thingol?

[Galadriel55]

14. I seem to recall the phrase "on his breast an emerald" in the Earendil song, while the Silmaril is on his brow IIRC.

[Galadriel55]

8. A hesitant Niphredil which "greets" Arwen in her final days?

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
4. A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
6. It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Indeed.

And not only is he Thingol Greycloak, he's also one of the Grey Elves.

I suppose niphredil (and Elanor) *do* greet Arwen at the end - what a beautiful, if sad, image. Although she's a queen, and before that was technically a lady. Still, Elrond could have been called High King if it wouldn't have sounded a bit silly by then.

I was referring to niphredils greeting Luthien - the daughter of King Thingol and Queen Melian - they spring up (for the first time?) when she is born, I believe. Maybe only Half-Maiar get floral salutations?

[Galadriel55]

Right guess for all the wrong reasons.

[Galadriel55]

4. Keep thinking of the cloak (mantle?) Faramir gives to Eowyn.

[Huinesoron]

6/ I had to look up what actually turns to silver glass (Into the West just says 'all', which is easy to remember but not very helpful); RotK says it's the RAIN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

6/ I had to look up what actually turns to silver glass (Into the West just says 'all', which is easy to remember but not very helpful); RotK says it's the RAIN.

hS

Rain-curtain, so near enough.

Spot on with the cloak, G55, which had belonged to Faramir's mother, Finduilas of Dol Amroth.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
3. They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

#3: I'd swear Errantry has off-colour gems, but the only thing I could actually find was yellow oranges. Generically, that could be CITRUS, or even FRUIT.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
2. Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

[Huinesoron]

I'm trying to work out whether #5 is a terrible, glorious pun on yew > EWE.

#2 has enough of a garden feel that I'm almost certain it's ITHILIEN.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
12. A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Ah, you're thinking of the Eagle in 'The Hobbit,' I think, who says that if they fly them to a certain place, farmers or shepherds will think they are after their sheep (including EWES) and shoot at them with their bows of YEW.

The yew tree is a symbol of death. I suppose it's sort of fitting that a bow that delivers death should be made from one.

Also made me think - he says that normally they WOULD be after their sheep. Are the Eagles of Manwe sheep-stealers? I suppose they have to eat something, but in that case, did HUAN eat Pedigree Chum?

Anyway ... it's not the answer, but in compensation for my ramblings, I will give you a clue and say that that particular answer lies in a *song.*

[Galadriel55]

12. Don't know about Wesleyans, but Tanta Hornblower kinda sounds like "tante", aunt, who is not a stranger.

[Pervinca Took]

Not Tanta. Which denomination are Wesleyans?

[Urwen]

Methodists?

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Methodists?

Yes.

[Urwen]

Amethyst? Sounds like 'a methodist'.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here.
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term.
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence.
5. Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision.
7. At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess.
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly!
SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills.
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid.
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear.
13. Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast.
15. Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

That's the girl!

It's A METHODIST minus OD(D) for 'not strange' - with 'we hear' to cover the spelling issues.

[Urwen]

Password: Different shades?

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
E: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
D: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank?
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
S: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

I really loved Huinesoron's RAINBOW password, and just wanted to write a colours-based password myself.

Hope you don't mind, Huinesoron!

[Galadriel55]

I am pretty sure that D starts with Dor, both because of "land" and the presence of these letters in "broad". But I don't know what to do with the rest of it.

Btw, because I am in my gynecology rotation right now, every single freaking time I read that clue, my brain continues from the word "broad" to complete "broad ligament of the uterus". At least in compensation I kept changing middle ear to Middle Earth all the time when doing ENT.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am pretty sure that D starts with Dor, both because of "land" and the presence of these letters in "broad". But I don't know what to do with the rest of it.

It's a land, but it doesn't start with DOR.

I will also say that the words 'via the bank' are a mere flourish. If you take the Northern Line on the tube, the London suburb you're after is its southern extremity, and when a tube is going all the way there, on the Bank branch, the driver says ' This train is for _________ via the Bank.'

I think it's also the London suburb where Laurie Lee's dad died 'cranking his car,' as he says in 'Cider with Rosie.'

P.S. You also need a synonym for 'broad.'

P.P.S. Every single answer has a connection to a different colour, even if some of the colours are similar, such as 'purple' and 'mauve.'

[Urwen]

Morden?

[Urwen]

Dwimordene? (MORDEN + WIDE; or WIDE around MORDEN)

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
E: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
S: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower?

Dwimordene indeed, to give us the 'golden' answer.

I've been to many a Tolkien gathering in Morden. One of the London-residing members of the Tolkien Society lives there. When I was a new member and another London-based member invited me to their 'smials' (social gatherings at a member's house), he told me that for that one we would be going to 'Morden where the shadows lie.'

[Kath]

Is the S skin? From when 'it looked to Sam as if he was clothed in flame' in the tower of Cirith Ungol?

[Kath]

And then this...

At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle.

...is from the Canterbury Tales and apparently refers to Eglantine (a nun). The only Eglantine I know is the one Angela Lansbury plays in Bedknobs and Broomsticks but I'm going to assume that is it also a colour?!

[Pervinca Took]

D: A magic one to meet a giant, but muddled, and a dwarf’s property?
ITHILIEN: Clematis, myrtle, irises, anemones and thyme grow here. (purple)
FRUIT (ORANGES): They’re discoloured, in Errantry – but use a generic term. (yellow)
FINDUILAS'S CLOAK: A gift to a lady in convalescence. (blue)
E: Used for a sea-lover’s arrows – but prepared like a sheep?
RAIN-CURTAIN: It seems to jump state to shining glass, both in a dream and a real, final vision. (silver)
EGLANTINE: At mete wel y-taught was she with-alle. She leet no morsel from hir lippes falle. (pink)
NIPHREDIL: A bloom to greet a princess. (white)
THINGOL: Dull of raiment, and a lord of dull people? Hardly! (grey)

SIGNATURES: Seven required on Shire wills. (red)
HOLDWINE'S SCAR: A mark left by orcish first-aid. (brown)
AMETHYST: A Hornblower, and a Wesleyan? But not strange, we hear. (mauve)
DWIMORDENE: Land a confused broad around a London suburb, via the bank? (golden)
EMERALD: It shines upon a mariner’s breast. (green)
SKIN: Frodo’s - aflame? In a tower? (scarlet)

Originally Posted by Kath

And then this...
...is from the Canterbury Tales and apparently refers to Eglantine (a nun). The only Eglantine I know is the one Angela Lansbury plays in Bedknobs and Broomsticks but I'm going to assume that is it also a colour?!

More than a nun! (In a sense). A Prioress!

'And she was cleped Madam Eglantyne,' from the same part of the General Prologue to the Canterbury Tales. I guess it would be the name she chose upon taking the veil, and as it's a rose, it goes with the other aspects of her that Chaucer presents as being pretty, flirtatious and self-indulgent rather than holy, such as having a handsome wimple, immaculate table manners (the quotation I used shows a part of these), and feeding dainty food to her little dog (when her spending should have been focused on the poor).

Eglantine Took, (née Banks), is Pippin's mother.

Eglantine is a wild rose, and they are (or can be) PINK.

Originally Posted by Kath

Is the S skin? From when 'it looked to Sam as if he was clothed in flame' in the tower of Cirith Ungol?

Indeed - the precise shade of red that Tolkien uses being scarlet.

Two clues left to solve ... each linked to a different shade/colour.

[Kath]

The E ... I'm guessing that it's a YEW bow but prepared like a sheep would make it EWE. But I don't know again if that's a colour.

[Kath]

I cannot work out the D. It's making me think of BEANSTALK as in, a magic beanstalk to get to a giant, but I can't then think of anything that belongs to a dwarf that has those letters.

[Pervinca Took]

You're on the right track. What does the magic beanstalk grow *from?* Take it, isolate it, muddle it, join it to a dwarf.

And find the E answer in a song about a sea lover.

[Urwen]

Is this it?

In panoply of ancient kings,
in chainéd rings he armoured him;
his shining shield was scored with runes
to ward all wounds and harm from him;
his bow was made of dragon-horn,
his arrows shorn of ebony;
of silver was his habergeon,
his scabbard of chalcedony;
his sword of steel was valiant,
of adamant his helmet tall,
an eagle-plume upon his crest,
upon his breast an emerald.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

You're on the right track. What does the magic beanstalk grow *from?* Take it, isolate it, muddle it, join it to a dwarf.

A bean? I don't know what you mean by 'isolate it' though.