TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nienna]

The voice of dead Fea (who is currently re-reading the book) says "One. Don't tell me anything about it (the movie). Two. Go read the darned book."

Ok... back to ww. So I'm thinking this thing between Sally and Rikae is possibly just two ordos not agreeing and latching onto suspicions. I went through all of Sally's posts and she doesn't seem like the wolf/baddie-Sally that I have seen and called out in previous games.

Shasta still worries me. He hasn't been around very much and what he has done while around has been quite suspicious... especially his voting. I look forward to an analysis of him as I don't have time to do one myself.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And get off your bum and see Half-Blood Prince before I drive there and drag you to a theater myself.

We went to see it, but I think the projectionist must have gotten mixed up and played The Fellowship of the Ring instead...

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae --> Sally
Morm --> Form

Form and Sally 1.

Left to vote:
Alona
Autume
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Mira
Nerwen
Nessa
Nienna
Sally
Shasta

I would also like to say that I will not be able to be here at Deadline. I shall be at the A's vs. Yankees game.

[Nienna]

Lari, dear... that count should read Form and Sally 1

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nienna

The voice of dead Fea (who is currently re-reading the book) says "One. Don't tell me anything about it (the movie). Two. Go read the darned book."

That I have accomplished. I was hoping to get through the Deathly Hallows this summer, but seeing as I start in a week, and I have a more important book to get through, that won't happen.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I would also like to say that I will not be able to be here at Deadline. I shall be at the A's vs. Yankees game.

Please tell me you are not a Yankees fan? One of you loves the Cowboys and if another is a Yanks fan...wow...I'm just without speech at the moment.

"Yes, morm...I know. Don't worry morm....I'm done now." *returns to bagel sandwhich*

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Lari, dear... that count should read Form and Sally 1

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Please tell me you are not a Yankees fan? One of you loves the Cowboys and if another is a Yanks fan...wow...I'm just without at speech the moment.

No I'm an A's fan, they just happen to be playing the Yankees.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

I miss Phantom now....






Now stop distracting me!!!

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

You know interesting enough, when I was watching the puppy over the weekend I saw this dark blue butterfly. I was going to take a picture of it for the Dark Monarch...maybe even photoshop a boot in there and smash it, but by the time I got my phone and back outside, I couldn't find it.

Really, ok I must stop now...I can't be goaded this easily...maybe I should return to Starbucks there's a good offer after 3 pm today if I hand them a receipt

Edit:

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

No I'm an A's fan, they just happen to be playing the Yankees.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Form

We have one retraction in this game, right? *seems to remember that we have a potential No Vote and can retract that as our single retraction, so uses that as his self-evidence*
++ Mirandir
...because she's first on my grumpy list and I can change it later when I'm more awake. For now, it's 1:10 am in my timezone, I have a cough, and I'm grouchy. Sorry, Mira darling. But not very sorry.

He uses quite a lot of energy to say it's just a retractable grumpy vote.

Originally Posted by Form

I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote.

Explaining himself too much again. Why would it occur to explain a thing most people would not even think about it unless it is something sinister? If a normal Form prefers to be careful and hates Day1 lynches, what would drive him to act differently, if not the role of a bear? (A bear needs to maximise the destruction because it takes him ages to get to the situation where he wins.)

I noticed this though:

Originally Posted by Form

My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo.

I'm not sure if he would have killed him if this is what he thought.

Originally Posted by Form

Innocent:
Formendacil

Sorry Alona and Boro, I will be the smiley dictator yet for a while - but doesn't that smiley seem somewhat disturbing? I think it looks sort of... nervous to add it there.

Originally Posted by Form

Brinn baffles me too--her death, that is. After the Hakon death, I was expecting a somewhat wilder kill from the Bear--one of the village loudmouths or noisemakers. Well, "expecting" is a strong word, but I definitely would have inclined that way. As it is, however, Brinn has been quite quiet, and thus less readable. Her death, however, takes the Bear in completely the opposite direction of Hakon's--unless they were both completely unconnected to the Bear as far as posts went. I was more expecting, though, to wake up and find someone like Alona gone--someone making more noise, and generally more suspicious.

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

That's it. Seems like my fix idée has some base (but it could have more). It still gets my vote:

++Formendacil

Better get rid of the bear early and thus lower the amount of kills during the Nights.


edit: xed with everybody except Boro's first post after mine

[Nessa Telrunya]

Mmmm, neither alona or Form are looking very good right now. I just can't figure out who looks more suspicious...


Who to vote for?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

The bear can think about being the bear all he/she likes, but it's a different matter entirely to type up his/her thoughts and post them. In other words, I don't think that argument has much to it.

I was under the impression Form always explains himself, among other things, a lot. Explaining is a favorite past-time of many people I know, and I am at least under the impression that he is one of them.

I do tend to trust Form rather than distrust, and I cannot say I can read him, but I have absolutely no idea where people are getting some huge bear vibe, maybe particularly because I don't know what a bear vibe is. All anyone seems to have to offer is that a bear likes to talk about his/herself, which I don't buy.

Anyway...sudden attention so completely away from Sally (and alona) is not *necessarily* bad, but is definitely weird.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I went through all of Sally's posts and she doesn't seem like the wolf/baddie-Sally that I have seen and called out in previous games.

So what does a wolf/baddie-Sally look like?

Originally Posted by alona

Durelin - what I posted earlier still stands - why did she vote based only on the three way tie?

You're just hung up on it cause I picked you. I did not want to leave the lynch up to chance, and I wanted my vote to count for something. I waited as long as I felt it was safe to vote, waiting to see if someone else would break the tie, and making up my mind whether I needed to break the tie or could just vote for Mira (though by the end I had decided that tie or not, I was going to vote you rather than throw away my vote). But no one chose to break it until the last minute. Inziladun and morm seemed innocent to me, you did not. And I am still perfectly happy with my vote.

[Rikae]

The Form case looks rather weak. He's one to reminisce about the old days quite a lot in any event - and the smiley? I like it. It's funny.

Lommy (not just for the Form stuff) and Nienna are just somehow creepy. I have to give this more thought... but they both give a going-with-the-flow, looking-for-a-wagon-to-join-rather-than-a-wolf sort of feel. More later, I have to go make ice cream sundaes.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Nessa

Who to vote for?

How about whom you think to be suspicious, and not just someone who looks to be on the lynching block other than Sally?

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Anyway...sudden attention so completely away from Sally (and alona) is not *necessarily* bad, but is definitely weird.

This Form suspicion has seemed to come not from nowhere, but definitely almost as a sidetrack from me and Sally. It's confusing and is inadvertently adding to my suspicion of Sally. I think I'm gonna go back and do another read-through of Day 2...

Originally Posted by Durelin

So what does a wolf/baddie-Sally look like?

When I played with her last game, she was very wolfish. Very obvious to the point where I didn't think she could be a wolf because it was so obvious. Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by Durelin

You're just hung up on it cause I picked you. I did not want to leave the lynch up to chance, and I wanted my vote to count for something. I waited as long as I felt it was safe to vote, waiting to see if someone else would break the tie, and making up my mind whether I needed to break the tie or could just vote for Mira (though by the end I had decided that tie or not, I was going to vote you rather than throw away my vote). But no one chose to break it until the last minute. Inziladun and morm seemed innocent to me, you did not. And I am still perfectly happy with my vote.

That's probably true! It's just the wording that caught me off guard, but I understand your reasoning.

[satansaloser2005]

So Shasta's not said a lot either, which is why I decided to do him next. There's not a lot to go on but some people suspect him and I want to see why (because they may be right for all I know, and I've just not noticed). Here goes.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

*has been here, in the shadows, the whole time, no really*

Also, lay off Nerwen. She said it was only a day one thing in the admin thread, stop complaining, thank you.

Also, it wouldn't be a werewolf game if I didn't jump on Phantom for something. Phantom, say something extremely arrogant and pigheaded so I can vote for you, 'kay?

So just silly stuff, mostly. Defends Nerwen's silliness and then says he needs to vote Phantom because it's tradition.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Phantom's ideas about gifteds leaving clues

*coughBorocoughcougheveryonewhobelievedhimcoughcoughwheezeco ugh*



Appropriately ironic for a theatre major, no?

Just bringing up stuff from a past game and then making jokes. Nothing to trace there either.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Also,

"Um, I'm like, the Ranger. No, I haven't left clues. Just believe me. Believe me because I'm Boromir88, dangit!"

Fixed that for you, Candor Man.

Edit: Fixed italics.

Directly follows his last post. Still talking about the previous game so I don't know. (Although if he's the ranger and this is his idea of a hint I'll slap him lol.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.



Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

Votes Pitchie because of his first post, which seems to have started the entire case against Pitch. I didn't find it that suspicious (I suspected Pitch later, myself) but I also know Shasta seems busy so maybe he just didn't have time to either come up with a better vote or to explain it more.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Oh, um, er... you were following last game, were you?

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?

Anyway, I think I'm all caught up now, though I probably did skim a bit due to wanting to get caught up.

Again, not a lot. Erm, be he leaving a trail at all?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Ah, see, I did skim a bit, missed this -

My heroine!

He just quoted Durelin talking about *checks* oh rubbish, I don't know exactly what she was talking about. *looks up* Ah. Okay, Durie had said she didn't like the idea of lynching Fea (although I'm not sure if Shasta liked her principle or the fact that she was rather dissing Phanom. Either way). But still, that doesn't give us loads to go on.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

He has a point about getting rid of people just because they can't participate, but other than that....now I really see what people mean. (I say people because I can't remember who said it. Unless it was just the voices in my head) It seems he did start the main suspicion against Pitch, and while he had no way of knowing Pitch was the seer (unless he saw something I didn't) I still think it's a bit off. However, his point about Pitch's switch to me is valid, and I've already spoken on it so I shan't repeat it here.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)

To vote: Fea, Form, Hakon, Lari, Lommy, Mac, Mira, Nerwen, Nienna, Phantom.

Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

Edit: X'ed with Alona and Nessa, and added Nessa's vote.

Edit2: Removed Nessa from "To vote:" list.

Interesting point, again, about the vote switch. Maybe....maybe he dreamed Hakon for whatever reason and knew he wasn't evil?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

Bit harsh. But he's right; he didn't say a thing about Rikae. Has this been cleared up? Because if not, I'm going to take another look at Form.

Originally Posted by Shasta, re: Morm saying Pitch dreamt Phantom

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

Again, he's got a point. (See below post commentary, by the way) Now I'm not saying that he's innocent, but I like some of the points he's making. (Okay, so the like two points he's made I'm okay with. I'm not saying he's prolific either. Just that the few things he's said of consequence aren't complete rubbish.)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN.

Above commentary applies. Doesn't matter who it was, it's still a bit suspicious.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Nogrod isn't playing.

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

Heh. Glad he's not; the thread's been busy enough.

I don't think Mira would make the same sort of mistake, but anything's possible.


So really, there's not a lot here either. He suspects (or at least did yesterDay) Mira and thinks Form's shifty as well. He also hasn't left any sort of trace regarding other people; it's almost like he's trying to avoid commenting on the big issues that have been discussed in the game. It might be because he's busy, so I don't really want to lynch him toDay, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.

[Nienna]

Rikae can you clarify creepy for me... I'd like to respond but yet find I don't know how to respond as I don't know what creepy means...

A baddie-Sally doesn't tend to overly state that she is innocent. She tends to imply her innocence without saying it out-right. I may be wrong with this but it is what I have noticed. So I trust her for the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

When I played with her last game, she was very wolfish. Very obvious to the point where I didn't think she could be a wolf because it was so obvious. Does that make sense?

Weren't you only with me in the last game? 'Cause last game I think Boro and I planned that whole flirt thing just to have fun. And I was under somewhat special instructions from Lari to be amusing. Just saying, so you don't get the wrong impression based on last game. (Although I do like a fair bit of crazy. Heh.)



EDIT: either I x'd with Nienna or just didn't read her post. Anyway....*gives her a cookie*

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Rikae can you clarify creepy for me... I'd like to respond but yet find I don't know how to respond as I don't know what creepy means...

A baddie-Sally doesn't tend to overly state that she is innocent. She tends to imply her innocence without saying it out-right. I may be wrong with this but it is what I have noticed. So I trust her for the moment.

I'm going to have to look at your posts to see what exactly gave me that impression, but generally staying in the background, going with the flow, giving the impression of hiding in the shadows.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.

While, admittedly, I am on nearly a full hour later than I expected to be (I am totally blaming the used bookstore, especially since anyone here who disapproves of getting a copy of Tolkien's Pictures is an Inktomi Slurp Spider and deserves death!), but I'm still highly--very highly--amused that after bothering to warn against an Inziladun-vote-for-Morm (ie. saying when I'd be back), I get almost that.

Really, though, Morm, you're memory is grossly flawed if you don't remember that I constantly refer to normal playing styles. Granted, my own playing style can hardly be called "normal" when I play about 2 games a year, but even so, having recently gone through old games to update my Grimoire just after the last game, I feel confident in saying this is normal. You can either take my word for it, or read through half a dozen old and buried threads to confirm it.

I'm rather more miffed that you voted for me after sparing me so little attention--a couple of minor "Form looks a touch suspicious"-type posts early toDay, and lots of banter then about other stuff, and then this is as in-depth as I get? The old Morm would have given me the full police-style breakdown.

Oh wait... there's another reference to the old days. My abject apologies.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Weren't you only with me in the last game? 'Cause last game I think Boro and I planned that whole flirt thing just to have fun. And I was under somewhat special instructions from Lari to be amusing. Just saying, so you don't get the wrong impression based on last game. (Although I do like a fair bit of crazy. Heh.)

Yeah, last game was the first time I'd ever played with you. And noted for future games. I think everybody likes a little bit of crazy sometimes, haha.

~~~

As I posted on the Admin Thread, I'm going to be leaving soon for class, which doesn't end until after the DL, so vote post now, I guess. Since I don't have quite a clear read on whom I should vote for (I think Form's case came out of nowhere, and my suspicion for morm from yesterDay has gone down), here we go:

++No vote

I'm nervous to see what I'm going to come back to, but hopefully we'll nab a baddie. I don't want to risk voting for another ordo or a possible gifted after how many we lynched already, so there's my not-vote.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by alona

++No vote

Boooooo!

[satansaloser2005]

That's what she said.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Boooooo!

I'm sorry. I know you wanted me to show some backbone, but I think this is the best way I can help the village. Other people will be around and have more time to examine players than I will toDay.

[Macalaure]

Lommy's case against Form does indeed look like an attempt at scapegoating, especially since after morm's vote for him it was obvious that there's a market for Form-votes. This would mean that both Sally and Lommy are wolves, since Sally is more in the spotlight than Alona, so it would be more efficient to throw more suspicion at Sally than at Form. It's also possible that she's the cobbler and is trying to save both because she shares the mainstream belief that the two are suspicious.

I think I'll put Durelin in my small group of people I trust - she's sensible.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

That's what she said.

Oh do not start that! I've heard enough of that from phantom.

[satansaloser2005]

I agree. I think Form might be suspicious, but not enough to kill him toDay. It's sketchy at best how quickly he became a focus of discussion.

And Mac, just remember that the sensible people aren't always the innocent ones.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by alonariel

Oh do not start that! I've heard enough of that from phantom.

Hehe. I was just agreeing with Durie in my own special way.

[autume98]

Thanks for the Shasta analysis sally. Definitely someone I want to keep an eye on, but I don't see anything to lynch him today. Like you said there's not a lot to go on.

As for Form, I really don't see anything that says to lynch him today either.

Now I'm off to do my morm analysis since people were suspecting him yesterday, and since he's now in my radar.

Back in a bit!

[satansaloser2005]

Random question. Has Tum disagreed with me at any point in the game? (Not that I'm complaining, since we're friends and all, but....) I'm not the best person to hide behind, but any port in a storm? Give me thoughts, and I'll see if I need to attempt another analysis before my head explodes.

[Nessa Telrunya]

So, I just realized that I've still not followed up on my promises of a list. How typical of me.

Alona-I just get this... Feeling from her. Like sort of a wolfish feel.

Tum-Has played in an honest sort of manner, not giving any reason to suspect her, unless you count her tie-breaker on Day 1.

Durelin-I don't know very well, so I can't give a clear impression. He seems to have a talent of saying a lot of in-depth stuff, yet being completely anonymous almost.

Form-Could be a wolf, I suppose. But then again, can't everyone else?

Lommy-Is giving out clear opinions, not ringing the bells. Don't think she's a baddie.

Mac-Is there yet not. Kind of hard to analyze.

Mira-Is completely floating over my head. I have no idea what to think of her.

Morm-I am very impressed with. Puts himself out there, but kind of gray, rather than black or white, in terms of role.

Nerwen-Is giving me no idea as to what she is. Not fair, really.

Nessa-You tell me.

Nienna-Is ringing those tinkly little bells, but there's no reason for me to go after her.

Rikae-Is maybe a bit suspicious, but I don't think she's a wolf.

Sally-I am pretty sure of her innocence at this point. I saw sally!wolf in action last game, and she's completely different this time around.

Shasta-Well, if anything, I know he's not the cobbler, or he'd be catching wolves off the hook.


Well, I kind of suppose I don't know anything about anyone. I think I'm one of the only ones to fail at list making.

[satansaloser2005]

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

[Formendacil]

To respond to Lommy's sundry accusations...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

He uses quite a lot of energy to say it's just a retractable grumpy vote.



Explaining himself too much again. Why would it occur to explain a thing most people would not even think about it unless it is something sinister? If a normal Form prefers to be careful and hates Day1 lynches, what would drive him to act differently, if not the role of a bear? (A bear needs to maximise the destruction because it takes him ages to get to the situation where he wins.)

Really?

Do you not read my LJ, Lommy? You're suspecting me on the basis of talking a lot and too much navel-gazing ramifications? I'm one of those people--believe it or not--who thinks things through too much and has an easier time writing five paragraphs on a subject than limiting myself to a single sentence, though I think I manage not to ramble entirely too much... but that's not for me to decide. All the same, I'm shocked you'd have me lynched on what is essentially my online hallmark.

Regarding your parenthetical comment about a bear wanting to maximize the destruction--I agree with that, as far as it goes, but you haven't thought things through far enough. I am not, in fact, in the post you quote, acting differently from my normal Day 1 self. I am, in fact, taking great pains to make it clear that what I am doing is consistent with my normal, much expressed opinion. Perhaps it's the philosophy student in me, perhaps it's the OCD, but I try quite hard to be consistent in the views I hold. If, therefore, my Day 1 action is suspicious, you're going to have to prove it on the grounds other than my own statement that I was doing something different--because I was not doing something at all inconsistent with my normal practice.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Sorry Alona and Boro, I will be the smiley dictator yet for a while - but doesn't that smiley seem somewhat disturbing? I think it looks sort of... nervous to add it there.

I'm... I'm not even going to dignify what with a written responce. But you can put these in your pipe and smoke them:

Originally Posted by Lommy

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

*blinks*

I'm too analytical?

We're playing Werewolf, of all things, and you think I'm being too analytical? I'm not saying I couldn't be the bear speculating out loud about my own strategies as the bear to misdirect people... but, at the same time, in a game that basically thrives on analysis and reading-into... you're going to convict me on that? Haven't you ever played with Nogrod? (*is being rhetorical... I know the answer)

Originally Posted by Lommy

Better get rid of the bear early and thus lower the amount of kills during the Nights.

Now that, Miss Lommy is a fair point. Unfortunately, it's the first one in this post. I'm not the bear, but apparently no one else is showing obvious Bear-signs. Though, really, why should the Bear be that obvious? S/he doesn't have inside knowledge of anyone's role but his/her own--like the Ordos. S/he doesn't dream about or talk to anyone--like the Ordos. And if a Bear has half a set of smarts, s/he should have the sense to eat people that won't leave a trail back to him/her. Really, anyone who appears suspicious during the Day is more likely to be a Wolf, because they're covering for other people that cripples how they can play. A Bear, on the other hand, has goals like a Wolf, but can play more like an Ordo.

All that being said, I still think we can catch the Bear... but I'm not sure we'll be able to distinguish him/her from a wolf before the narration... and you know how certain we can be in any case before that.

[autume98]

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by autume98

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

[Nessa Telrunya]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

Gah! I'm so sorry!

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Me.

Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

Gah! I'm so sorry!

Meh, happens to the best of us.

Originally Posted by autume98

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

(That's) what she said.

[Mirandir]

Here and reading.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....



++no vote