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[Kath]

For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Kath

For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

Less specific than that.

For the new page:

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
4. - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
8. - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, in the Tale of Years in the Appendices, it says 'passing of the Ringbearers and end of the Third Age.' That's what I've always assumed to be the indicator.

They have 25th March as New Year's Day in Gondor, though, once the Ring is destroyed. Confusing, eh?

...

Finarfin DOES sound like someone who would drink tea, you know. Fingolfin is more the lager chap, I'd say. Feanor probably had a lethal home-brew of his own making.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Well, in the Tale of Years in the Appendices, it says 'passing of the Ringbearers and end of the Third Age.' That's what I've always assumed to be the indicator.

They have 25th March as New Year's Day in Gondor, though, once the Ring is destroyed. Confusung, eh?

Don't worry - once I'd checked, I wasn't expressing disbelief at you so much as at Gondor. (Though apparently the Shire manages to start the Fourth Age in a different year to the rest of the world - blasted Hobbits!)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I know. No worries.

Isn't 8 stars? (Above Cuivienen).

4. Idril and Tuor ... Earendil ... Elros ... Aragorn.

Or is it the other Minas Tirith, perhaps ... the First Age one?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Finarfin DOES sound like someone who would drink tea, you know. Fingolfin is more the lager chap, I'd say. Feanor probably had a lethal home-brew of his own making.

This is dangerously plausible.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I know. No worries.

Isn't 8 stars? (Above Cuivienen).

I don't think you can "see by stars", but if you could be fractionally more specific...?

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

4. Idril and Tuor ... Earendil ... Elros ... Aragorn.

Or is it the other Minas Tirith, perhaps ... the First Age one?

It's the Third Age one, but this is the wrong lineage.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Starlight?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Starlight?

There it is.

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
4. - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

(I'll probably become less picky as time wears on, but I was confident you'd get it with a prompting.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Lineage:

Elwe - Luthien - Dior - Elwing - Elros - ... - Aragorn?

[Pervinca Took]

5. QUENYA, which means 'language?'

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Lineage:

Elwe - Luthien - Dior - Elwing - Elros - ... - Aragorn?

Nooowhere near the right lineage.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. QUENYA, which means 'language?'

You're closer with 'language' than 'Quenya'; I draw your attention to that very flexible word 'by'.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe something to do with Ingwe?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Maybe something to do with Ingwe?

Possibly even further off.

I was being very precise with both the start and end points of the lineage in question.

hS

[Urwen]

Oh, wait. Telperion to White Tree of Gondor?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Oh, wait. Telperion to White Tree of Gondor?

Spot on (though I wouldn't count Telperion, personally: Galathilion was made in his image, not an actual descendent). Which makes the answer:

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
5. - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
14. - Where the stars are strange

hS

[Urwen]

11. Eye (six of his titles contain 'eye' and I counted)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

11. Eye (six of his titles contain 'eye' and I counted)

I am impressed, but it isn't the answer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Creation? (The Ainur).

Loving Urwen's 'eye' guess!

[Pervinca Took]

5. Tongues or words, possibly in elvish?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry: AINULINDALE for 1, which I think means creation?

(Vernacular).

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Kath

For 14 where the stars are strange - Harad?

The SOUTH?

Or Sunlands?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. Creation? (The Ainur).

Oh, I think we can be more specific than that. But yes, that's the Song in question. (The Ainulindale is what they sang, not what they sang about.)

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. Tongues or words, possibly in elvish?

Correct. You use your tongue to speak your tongue.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

The SOUTH?

Or Sunlands?

Correct!

1. - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
9. - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Golden treasure:

Gold rinG ?

Well, it's between two GG's!

[Pervinca Took]

1. ARDA? Or world?

[Pervinca Took]

Unless golden treasure is EGG, as in Bilbo's riddle. GG and an E from ... somewhere ... but written differently, (ie jumbled).

Or YOLK, the golden treasure within the same 'riddle egg' - the YOKE that might be between two horses, written differently?

Ot does it occur between the 'thirty white horses' riddle and another riddle that maybe mentions a horse in one of the lines? (Although I don't think there is one).

[Pervinca Took]

10. Spirit or fea? (Sent into the One Ring).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Golden treasure:

Gold rinG ?

Well, it's between two GG's!

-_-

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. ARDA? Or world?

WORLD it is.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Unless golden treasure is EGG, as in Bilbo's riddle. GG and an E from ... somewhere ... but written differently, (ie jumbled).

Or YOLK, the golden treasure within the same 'riddle egg' - the YOKE that might be between two horses, written differently?

Ot does it occur between the 'thirty white horses' riddle and another riddle that maybe mentions a horse in one of the lines? (Although I don't think there is one).

And YOKE/YOLK is correct (the golden treasure is in the egg, per the riddle.)

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

10. Spirit or fea? (Sent into the One Ring).

This one is not correct, though very sneaky.

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
6. - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
10. - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
13. - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is 13 TREES - Telperion and Laurelin, 'replaced' once to my knowledge by unmagical versions - were they 'replaced' again? (Very weighty inverted commas).

I know we've had TREE already, but there could be a cunning plan to have another, unexpected, arboreous clue!

...

More treeishness:

2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of

HELM. 75% of warriors had one.

3/4 of HELM is ELM.

3/4 of the Ents in the battle at Helm's Deep were spirits who had taken the bodies of ELMS as opposed to other trees.

I tried ….

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Is 13 TREES - Telperion and Laurelin, 'replaced' once to my knowledge by unmagical versions - were they 'replaced' again? (Very weighty inverted commas).

I know we've had TREE already, but there could be a cunning plan to have another, unexpected, arboreous clue!

It is not, but you're sort of in the right concept-space. How were the Two Trees replaced?

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

More treeishness:

2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of

HELM. 75% of warriors had one.

3/4 of HELM is ELM.

3/4 of the Ents in the battle at Helm's Deep were spirits who had taken the bodies of ELMS as opposed to other trees.

I tried ….

o.O Er... no. Though you're entirely right that the first 3/4 indicates that the clause is providing three quarters of the word for you.

I struggled a bit with this one; if it's any help, I wanted to name Feanor and Turin as relevant warriors, but wasn't sure they were really useful.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... could 13 be LIGHTS? The Lamps of the Valar, replaced by the Two Trees, replaced by the Sun and Moon?

I think you're being over-generous regarding my grasp of the 3/4 aspect in clue 2!

[Galadriel55]

A bit of a random guess for 6, but - East Wind?

Also, 10. MOUTH? ^.^

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

OK ... could 13 be LIGHTS? The Lamps of the Valar, replaced by the Two Trees, replaced by the Sun and Moon?

Precisely, and you said the right word in there too.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A bit of a random guess for 6, but - East Wind?

Ooooh, I want to quibble this, but... EAST is the answer, with the East Wind being its breath.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Also, 10. MOUTH? ^.^

Yep!

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
EAST - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
MOUTH - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
LAMP - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

Good grief, only five to go already?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Good grief, only five to go already?

Yeah, but they are the ones that are harder to crack.

I am beating my head over 11. The only answer that gets triggered by 6 is "Gollum's teeth". I've gone over various countable things that Sauron could have six of, down to "letters in a name" and other silly things. Could he have had 6 forms/shapes/bodies? I can't list that many *known* ones, and I guess they aren't entirely countable as he could change his shape at will in his early days and who knows how many he went through.

I have a feeling that "by another title" is cue for a punny answer based on his other names...

[Urwen]

I can help make the clues easier. The password is 'Written symbols'.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Yeah, but they are the ones that are harder to crack.

I am beating my head over 11. The only answer that gets triggered by 6 is "Gollum's teeth". I've gone over various countable things that Sauron could have six of, down to "letters in a name" and other silly things. Could he have had 6 forms/shapes/bodies? I can't list that many *known* ones, and I guess they aren't entirely countable as he could change his shape at will in his early days and who knows how many he went through.

I have a feeling that "by another title" is cue for a punny answer based on his other names...

Ha, no, nothing to do with teeth. I think it kind of is a punny question, and is based on one of Sauron's titles, just like it says.

Originally Posted by Urwen

I can help make the clues easier. The password is 'Written symbols'.

It is indeed! Very good. (Now, can you figure out why?)

WORLD - What they sang about (in the vernacular)
2. R - Many warriors had this; 3/4 is what there are 3/4 of
3. I - What manner of hell is this?
TREE - A lineage stretching from Tirion to Minas Tirith.
TONGUE - What we speak, and what by
EAST - Gondorians do not speak of its breath.
7. N - Everyone has one (or two... or more!)
STARLIGHT - What the first children saw by
YOKE - Between two horses, but write otherwise and it's golden treasure
MOUTH - Sauron has one of these; unlike most, he can send his away
11. B - By another title, Sauron has six of these
12. O - A heart, a rise, a miner's prize
LAMP - Two once died, to be replaced by two and two again
SOUTH - Where the stars are strange

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Did Feanor write an ABC book for the Tengwar letters, and use symbols of these things because they had the right initials?

(Lame even by my standards).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Did Feanor write an ABC book for the Tengwar letters, and use symbols of these things because they had the right initials?

(Lame even by my standards).

Um... kind of... pretty much yeah?

hS

[Urwen]

11. The Biggest (with his Big Bosses; I presume he had six of those.)

[Pervinca Took]

11. BODIES?

Vampire, snake, another animal I can't remember, Annatar, real Sauron pre- Akallabeth, rebuilt but maimed body in the Third Age?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

11. The Biggest (with his Big Bosses; I presume he had six of those.)

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

11. BODIES?

Vampire, snake, another animal I can't remember, Annatar, real Sauron pre- Akallabeth, rebuilt but maimed body in the Third Age?

No and no. I think this is the only clue which even comes close to cryptic.

hS