WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sorry, sweetheart, but out of the people on the block you're the most suspicious.

Meh, I understand dearie. You gotta do what ya gotta do.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Meh, I understand dearie. You gotta do what ya gotta do.

Indeed.


Vote count

Lottie-> Lommy
Morsul -> Sally
Brinn -> Lommy (2)
Boro -> wilwa
Nerwen -> Sally (2)
wilwa -> Boro
Shasta -> wilwa (2)
Bes-->Lommie (3)
Lommie-->Wilwa (3)
Mac-->Wilwa (4)
Sally-->Wilwa (5)

Anyone left to vote?

[Nogrod]

I'm tempted to vote for Lommy and to give a chance for someone to actually lynch her just out of frustration with her.

But let us see that in a bright Daylight - if alive.

++ Wilwa

For playing over-innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Sorry dad. Cool down.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Me -> Lommy
....
Sally-->Wilwa (5)

I take it that Lottie is your sock puppet?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

DEADLINE

Stop posting. You have lynched Wilwa. She was an ordinary innocent. Narration coming soon. Night folk may start doing their job.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Cool down.

Nothing's heated darling...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I take it that Lottie is your sock puppet?

Lol. Yeah, thanks. I just copy pasted. *fixes*


Wilwa at six.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was after the death of our pilot when we turned with a new resolve towards the trouble that seemed to pursue us. It was inevitable to conclude that there must be another among us who is - however crude and unprofessional the term might sound - a Werewolf. But who was it? Much of the earlier evidence has been brought forward once again and in the end it was our senior crewmember who had been labeled as guilty of the murder of our pilot. She accepted her fate almost peacefully, and as we turned the guns against her, she merely closed her eyes and bowed her head in expectation. It was at that moment when it again crossed my mind, what have we become? The will for survival seemed stronger in us than anything else, and we felt no remorse for killing those whom we have found guilty. I guess it must seem terrible for the reader to hear that kind of confession, but one can hardly imagine the strain and the effort we made to remain mentally sane and not to just turn on one another in a second in that terrible prison of ice. Despite all we have gone through, we have remained the men and women of reason, and we were determined to end this horror in our midst.

In writing about this I have nothing to lose: it is indeed far more important to me than anything that the full and true account of what we have encountered in that remote and dreadful place reaches the public. I know that I may be awaiting a lifetime sentence, if not worse, but nothing of that stops me from reporting what had happened after we have mercilessly executed another of our team and we have descended further into that nightmarish cavern.

As indeed in a no short time we have decided that we must go on and uncover the mystery of this place, as we have been increasingly convinced that the ominous events among our crew and the retreat of the dying beast who has once been our chief marine biologist into this cavernous complex must be related. And so we picked one of the corridors, having no better lead, and marched on in a straight line, lighting our path with electric torches.

And it was indeed not very long - a few minutes at most - when we have entered a large space, and the flashlights illuminated something that filled us with awe and wonder.

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter
Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Brinn - polar bear biologist
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
Macalaure - palaeomathematician
sally - the original initiator of the expedition
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic
Bes - room/store manager
Shasta - sled-dog handler

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

The place we have entered was large in size, far larger than any of the other spaces we have passed through this far. Its walls have been of the same volcanic rock as everywhere else, yet there was something definitely unnatural about its almost hexagonal shape. Even though the stone walls were uneven, the geometry was striking. It was our glaciologist who later pointed out that such symmetry could hardly have been achieved by natural geological processes. But even if it were not for this affirmation, we could not have ignored what we saw on the northern wall - with its archway opening hewn in the black stone and with faded, yet curiously vivid graffito above it.

I can hardly describe our feelings as we beheld this subterranean wonder of the icy waste. Even with the most unusual events of the previous days in mind we would not have expected to find anything of this kind in this forgotten ice-sealed place.

The glyptic image atop of the wall was the most curious to our eyes, for it without any doubt bore witness to the presence of sentient beings in this complex, at least perhaps once upon a time when it has been formed. But what was it? Our palaeomathematician seemed particularly curious about it and he was the first one to start examining it. If it came down to its artistic value, it was crude at most, yet clear enough as to what it represented - a long mountain range stretching beneath the starry sky. The stars were represented in the form of small-diameter holes, distinguishible enough from the rest of the irregularities in the stone. But none of us had recognised what our palaeomathematician probably did already by that time and we saw nothing more to the glyph than an expression of some ancient art.

We have been in shock from the discovery, but still our main objective lay in front of us - and so we decided to finish our purpose in this underground labyrinth of volcanic rock, even though our minds have been mostly distracted by the thought of that peculiar graven image. We passed beneath its archway and went on. There was another crossing awaiting us nearby, and it was there where we have decided to rest, at least for a while. It must have been also at that time when our mathematician had decided to slip away to look once more at the curious carving.

None of us saw him leaving and I cannot explain how came we did not see his flashlight, but the fact is that after several minutes we heard his cry from the corridor through which we just came. Running to the place we found him lying beneath the archway with his arm almost torn off and blood dripping from his neck. He was still holding his notebook, now stained with blood, but we could still make out the last words he hastily noted before his death, no doubt relating to the mysterious carving:

No mistake. Resembles distinctly the constellations of Northern hemisphere, though some major differences. Ursa Major completely missing - why? Instead quizzical triangle made of 15 dots - equilateral. Why 15? Is also a hexagonal number - room - any connection? Is atomic number of phosphorus. In Hebrew 10-5 forbidden to write, forms the name of God. What other uses of 15 -

Apparently whichever conclusions our palaeomathematician might have reached have been interrupted before he could make them.

LIVING MEMBERS OF THE EXPEDITION:

Boromir88 - senior assistant to a professor of glaciology
Loslote - rich funder's spoiled daughter
Morsul - federal grants lawyer
Brinn - polar bear biologist
Nogrod - old palaeoecologist with is own theory of climate change
sally - the original initiator of the expedition
Thinlómien - whale expert
Nerwen - mechanic
Bes - room/store manager
Shasta - sled-dog handler

GONE:
Roa - survival guide - died on blood loss from Werewolf attack on Day 2 (left game, innocent)
Mnemosyne - field medic - shot by the survival guide on Day 2 (Werewolf)
Inziladun - meteorologist - killed by Werewolves on Night 3 (innocent)
tromkehra - cook/bartender - left aboard the ship on Day 3 (left game, innocent)
Nienna - navigator - shot on her way back to the ship on Day 3 (innocent)
Greenie - senior assitant to important scientists in the company, killed by Werewolf on Night 4 (innocent)
Pitchwife - marine biologist - unambiguously executed by the expedition on Day 4 (Werewolf)
Eomer of the Rohirrim - sea pilot - murdered in the icy darkness on Night 5 (innocent)
wilwa - crewmember - executed in the underground cavern on Day 5 (innocent)
Macalaure - palaeomathematician - killed while performing his palaeomathematic operations on Night 6 (innocent)

Day 6 has started. Night folks, stop PMing. All people, start discussing. You know how it goes.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

What the crap.

After yesterday's voting, I had a great case for Mac and Lommy being the wolves... and I come back to find the wolves have killed Mac.

There are several stupid baseball analogies that I could make here, but I won't.

[Nogrod]

Darn! Dang! Drat! D'uh! *how many familyfriendly curses beginning with D there are?*

I had actually taken the risk of trusting I'm controversial enough to be alive and spent almost two hours analysing Mac during the afternoon (and I only got to somewhere in D2). Well, luckily I didn't finish it but waited to see first the results before continuing.

Like with Roa... all wasted... (well then I could be sure there would be no Night-kill)

I think this has been the first game I have actually used my time as an ordo during the Nights to actually do something for the game... and with this experience I'm afraid it will remain a solitary trial.


My gut reaction would be Boro now. Or Lommy.

But that's just a gut reaction. I need to go back there and look if there are any better reasons to suspect either of them. My bad feeling for Lommy comes from the last moments of yesterDay - which actually will look different now as Mac was innocent. And Boro for what I saw reading Mac back there the first Days - which might actually look different as well now that Mac is innocent.

Although there might also be the new perspective of one or both of them actually knowing they're interacting with an innocent...

So nothing better yet but bad feelings. I'll try to look back there with fresh eyes...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My mind is running in circles...

Mac stepped up his suspicion of Brinn hardcore yesterday.

Does this mean a Brinnwolf got scared and offed him?

Or are the wolves trying to frame Brinn?

[Boromir88]

I was going to post a defense for Mac today, thanks a lot wolves.

After my wilwa crusade failed, I've caught up on reading and threw everyone into the "unknown" to take into account the new information (wilwa innocent and whoever the kill choice was today). I knew it wasn't going to be me, and I figure there will be justifiable suspicion against me. If you decide to lynch me, so be it, I won't be the worst loss...but if the wolves think I'm going down quietly they should have killed me sooner.

Since I have caught up on the days I missed (when Pitch was lynched and yesterday) Lottie's innocent. Shasta and Nerwen look the best.

I don't like Morsul. I don't like Lommy. I don't like sally. I don't like Nog. Bes and Brinn I'm unsure of.

Explanations to come.

[Thinlómien]

Well, this time I'm not surprised. Apart from Nogrod, everybody considered him innocent. Also, I was expecting either him or me to die toNight, because of a few comments he made yesterDay where he made clear he's pretty certain I'm innocent and he's willing to vote Wilwa to save me etc. I think those could easily have been thought of as signs of a gifted connection. I'm not sure if Mac actually meant to divert the wolves that way or whether he was just pretty sure of my innocence and not aware of how they could be interpreted. Anyway, I guess that's a secondary issue, the main point is why the wolves killed him. Better theories?

And speaking of him, I'm glad he was innocent and I was laying my trust on a trustworthy person. Seems like my judgement is not totally crappy. Although I did feel a bit crappy after Wilwa died, but then again, it could've been me, so from my point of view it was not a total disaster. And hey, we didn't lynch a gifted either.

And as for who are the wolves, I have no idea. I would like to continue on my Nog&Sally speculation but seemingly Nogrod gets all heated up if I start the topic. I'm still suspicious of Brinn, although now that I was wrong about Wilwa, I wouldn't somehow be surprised if I was wrong about her too. I think I need to reconsider Boro and Morsul, and especially Bes and Nerwen. Shasta is the only one I currently feel good about.

[Nogrod]

Okay, sorry I got distracted and I have an early morning call tomorrow... so this is nothing near to what I thought I would do. So only a few points from yesterDay

Boro you make quite a show of your "reasoning" and "facts", but looking at things toDay and comaparing it to your vote on Wilwa makes one think again.

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm willing to stand by that vote and bet she's a wolf. If not, than I'll accept the consequences. I'm just asking you trust the info, and me, above crap-shoot shot in the dark misgivings about being fooled.

So what might be the manner of your "accepting the consequences"?

Also you seem to really press hard on it... this is your post quite soon after the previous I quoted:

Originally Posted by Boro

If we are wrong, at least we made a logical and wise lynch based on sound reasons which have less of a chance of turning out to be a crippling lynch than deciding we drop the suspicion on them and go for conspiracy theories about someone double or triple bluffing.

Securing your back already then?

Well Boro could go either way (what I pointed out was little and things I suspected him on on the basis of D1 were mainly depending on the assumption that Mac was a wolf). I need to look at him more carefully later though just to be a bit safer with him - or actually suspect him.


Lommy, you go seriously to and fro with Wilwa with first just saying she gives "wolvish vibes" enough to make her your top candidate (which is actually quite odd looking at her first post you point at... I mean she speaks sense there, like it or not; and you say yourself that: "more so on the first than on the second reading, though.") - and when it starts to look she is going to bite the dust you start back-pedalling with your "alternative theory"... even if I have to admit it being an ingenious move to showcase a choice between a top suspect and a top-theory!

But then you go on twisting perfectly checkable facts to back your "theory" and start fishing Mac's help with the lynch of another fish.

Btw. Lommy: you say "I can't really find the vote count for Day2 right now, so Nogrod, let's postpone this debate for toMorrow". In what order people de facto voted is no case for a debate... but a fact easily checkable.

I hate it when people try to mislead others with fiction to get people lynched or suspected at last minutes. And it's hard to see an innocent intention behind that kind of moves. If you were innocent you wouldn't have acted that way as you would have been worried about actually having it wrong and thus helping an innocent to die / be painted black.

It actually fits quite well that you raised this "concern" in the last hour of the Day buddying with Mac and then killed him the next Night...


And in every sense I must say that your last post looks much more worse than Wilwa's first yesterDay. I mean what did it consist of?

- You were not surprised (you learned: last time you played surprised and people suspected you for it)

- Mac was innocent and "made clear" he was ready to vote wilwa to save you as he realised you were innocent!!! (so everyone else should follow his lead and trust you as he did so)

- Probably not the gifted-connection (well not as he was no gifted), but another point how sure he (an innocent) was of your innocence - and how you we're afraid as being looked as a gifted by the wolves... (without your own liking - or effort to be looked like that by us?)

- Your judgement is good indeeed in this game as you backed the right horse that Day. Although you of course felt crappy when wilwa died... (here your double-act works: you can both push wilwa to death and still reserve youurself a right to show a face of "I told I had better ideas")

- I will just get heated up if you continue your speculation of me being a wolf... (a nice 100% proof defence. If I suspect you, you can just say I'm "heated"... right?)

Quite nice Lommy... but so fabricated and calculated (how can you fit that many messages into one post? *bows*) that it actually makes me consider you as my suspect number one right now.

And I'm quite cool with it.

Now good night....

[Thinlómien]

Boromir88
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: hardly any interaction
interactions with Pitch: very little interaction to point to any direction
voting record: Day1 no vote, Day2 Inzil, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: his slight interaction with the wolves don't point at any direction, it could be avoiding interaction or just random. His voting record could be suspected - on the two first Days it's pretty terrible and whatever Mac says, him starting the Wilwa-wagon yesterDay doesn't make him look particularily innocent. If Wilwa is a wolf, of course, then it's different, but I'm not making that assumption (yet). Anyway, his general manner seems to me very innocent, so his slightly questionable voting record (especially as he has aknowledged it himself) or the lack of interaction with known wolves (especially as that doesn't even suggest anything per se) doesn't sway it. Far more innocent than guilty, but if he keeps doing bad stuff, I might have to reconsider.

It really bugs me, because my gut says he's innocent and my reason says he's guilty. Just look at the evidence, it's pretty bad. But then again, his manner is exactly like it is when he's innocent. Crap.

Morsul
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: looks slightly as if Mnemo could've been casting some shoddy wolf-on-wolf suspicion on him
interactions with Pitch: some buddiness (but is that merely because they started wwing at the same time?)
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Morsul
conclusion: now this is interesting... Morsul's interactions with the wolves look a bit bad and his voting record wavers between good and bad. The Day2 vote was quite fishy, but I'm not sure a wolf-Morsul would vote himself... It's tough, I don't suspect him really but he's definitely fallen from the "tsut tsut innocent baby" category to somewhere lower...

Well to be honest, he's been a bit under my radar. The evidence could mean he's guilty, but then again, I'm still unsure if he'd really have the guts to self-vote as wolf.

Brinn
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: almost nothing
interactions with Pitch: hardly anything, except that Pitch flip-flopped on Brinn's innocence
voting record: Day1 Nerwen, Day2 Loslote, Day3 Sally
conclusion: her interactions with the wolves could be interpreted either way. Combined with her not-so-good-looking voting record, it really makes me wonder. It is notable what Mac wondered about her votes. She's really now near the top of my suspicion list if not there, her manner has been kind of disturbing all the time and all this evidence is not making her look any more innocent. (And I can totally see a wolf Brinn protecting an innocent Nienna.)

The way Brinn reacted to my suspicion of her was sort of really defensive, which makes me wonder if she's just an innocent offended to be suspected on stupid (?) reasons, or whether she's a jumpy wolf. I definitely didn't like her opportunistic vote for me yesterDay, but that could be just because I don't like it when people suspect me when I'm innocent (or guilty, for that matter and actually I do like being suspected a bit because otherwise it's boring). I still think there's something wrong with her manner, though.

Nogrod
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: she seems to trust him, he doesn't trust her
interactions with Pitch: goes with the popular trend of suspecting Pitch and then letting go of it
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: his interactions with the wolves don't really tell us much: they seem both innocent and lupine at the same time. I still don't like his frenzy-attack on Roa on Day1 and his vote for Mnemo didn't matter. Also if at least one of Sally&Wilwa is a wolf, he definitely bears watching. For now, I wouldn't be too aggressively for bashing him, but I'm definitely watching him.

I'm taking his word for making the decisive vote on Mnemo, but knowing him, that doesn't make him actually look much better. Also, him starting to suspect me recently makes him look bad in my eyes: it feels (sorry to overuse the word) opportunistic and sort of also it feels like he's trying to pressure me to do something, maybe give up on him and Sally?

sally
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: medium
interactions with Mnemo: rather fishy friendliness and banter (although as we all know they are RL friends)
interactions with Pitch: slight suspicion from her towards him, he votes her on Day3
voting record: Day1 Roa, Day2 Lottie, Day3 Wilwa
conclusion: if there wasn't Pitch's vote for Sally (like Mac said he could've voted Nienna based on what he had said before), I would be very very worried of Sally - trying to save Mnemo and having wolf-on-wolf like suspicions of Pitch - but now I guess I have to consider her quite innocent.

Well it's the same: her record looks bad except for the extremely contradictory vote of Pitch's against her.

Nerwen
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: low
interactions with Mnemo: she did make a case against her
interactions with Pitch: she considered him innocent based on Mnemo's guilt
voting record: Day1 Mac (didn't count), Day2 Mnemo, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: her consistent suspicion against Mnemo looks good, exonerating Pitch based on that doesn't (although half of the village did that). Looks more innocent than guilty, but I don't like it that people take her innocence for granted.

I don't know, I want to hear more of her.

Bes
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: very low
interactions with Mnemo: not much
interactions with Pitch: some mutual suspicion
voting record: Day1 Mac, Day2 no vote, Day3 Lottie
conclusion: well, this doesn't sway my opinion to any direction. Generally he seems so confused that if he's a wolf I think he's fellows would've already helped him out and clarified the rules for him.

I don't know... what I said about his confusion still holds, but I definitely didn't like his vote for me yesterDay because it wasn't grounded in any way and it didn't make any sense to me.

Shasta
current overall suspiciousness in my opinion: high
interactions with Mnemo: he defended her
interactions with Pitch: not much except some late-emergent suspicion against him on Day3
voting record: Day1 Inzil, Day2 Nerwen, Day3 Nienna
conclusion: it really looks quite bad, but possibly too bad to be bad.

I'm currently thinking his innocent, even with some of these bad facts.

I seem to have reached the stage of paranoia where I suspect everybody (except for Shasta)... the good news is that almost whoever gets lynched, I'm happy.


edit: xed with Nogrod

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, Nogrod, Nogrod... this will be a full-blown war, I assure you, because to me your latest post just screams wolvery. I was waiting to see who would jump on my theory about Mac getting killed first, and you have incriminated yourself by jumping on that. A seasoned player like yourself, you wouldn't have jumped on it like that if you were innocent and really thinking about it. (Not suggesting that my theory is so right you should believe it, but merely that suggesting a hypothesis that assumes my own innocence doesn't make me a wolf and that knowing me, as a wolf under serious scrutiny, I wouldn't definitely say anything like that, but that's a side issue. You can't know that because you're not me, so you have no "duty" to believe it.)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy, you go seriously to and fro with Wilwa with first just saying she gives "wolvish vibes" enough to make her your top candidate (which is actually quite odd looking at her first post you point at... I mean she speaks sense there, like it or not; and you say yourself that: "more so on the first than on the second reading, though.") - and when it starts to look she is going to bite the dust you start back-pedalling with your "alternative theory"... even if I have to admit it being an ingenious move to showcase a choice between a top suspect and a top-theory!

Rubbish. (Ha, Roa you should be proud of me. ) Of course I was wavering. Every sensible innocent is wavering with their suspicions unless they have divine inspiration. I didn't claim Wilwa didn't make sense, I just said I got wolvish vibes. You question me because I went more with my first impression than with the second - what's the problem with that? Second impression is no gut-feeling anymore.

As for back-pedaling and alternative theory, I had been thinking of that alternative theory the whole Day, to be honest, but didn't say it aloud. Why? There is, to me, an obvious connection between you and Sally. You co-operate. She spends a whole post discussing points for and against your innocence. This could point at two things and that was why I was wondering whether to bring it up at all or not: I suspected the two of you, but I didn't want to risk the chance you were our gifted.

So, maybe stupidly, I settled on this vague "theory" thing after much debate and posted it. The time I posted it had nothing to do with what other people were saying but with when I had time to think about it. Why am I saying this aloud now? Because it seems obvious to me that you two can't be our gifted because you are a wolf. There, feeling better?

PS. You have absolutely no right to claim the moral highground about the Wilwa lynch, btw. I was at least forced to vote her to save my life, unlike you. (Not that there would've been no chance for me to vote her otherwise, but I was pondering between her and Brinn before Bes came and made my decision for me.)

But then you go on twisting perfectly checkable facts to back your "theory" and start fishing Mac's help with the lynch of another fish.

Twisting checkable facts? Me? It's you who's doing that. I did not start the Brinn-thingy, it was either Mac or Sally, I joined it. If I was a wolf, why wouldn't I just have sticked with Wilwa and make sure my life is saved? I would've had believeable grounds for doing that taking into account all my expressed suspicion of her earlier.

And as for the vote count, I was not twisting any facts or accusing you of such. *stomps feet* How many times in this game do I have to say that if you ask me WOLVES DO NOT TWIST FACTS INTENTIONALLY because that's plain stupid! They may make mistakes, just as us others.

Btw. Lommy: you say "I can't really find the vote count for Day2 right now, so Nogrod, let's postpone this debate for toMorrow". In what order people de facto voted is no case for a debate... but a fact easily checkable.

Now you're again misunderstanding me badly, either intentionally or unintentionally. I was merely saying I'm not talking with you about the actual issue until I have my facts right. I thought I had my facts right. You had them differently. I was not sure which one of us is right so I wanted to check before discussing further. Is this wolvish in your opinion? Last time I looked, misremembering wasn't a crime.

I hate it when people try to mislead others with fiction to get people lynched or suspected at last minutes. And it's hard to see an innocent intention behind that kind of moves. If you were innocent you wouldn't have acted that way as you would have been worried about actually having it wrong and thus helping an innocent to die / be painted black.

What? You could've been lynched? Guess what? Only a wolf can be that paranoid. There was absolutely no chance of you getting lynched yesterDay, that should've been clear. Your point is very weak anyway: what bad is it for an innocent to be merely suspected in the last minutes? If something, it's good because it helps you survive until the next Day. (You should be grateful. ) And I was actually worried my facts were wrong, just go and see.

It actually fits quite well that you raised this "concern" in the last hour of the Day buddying with Mac and then killed him the next Night...

I didn't kill him. I might be smart enough to have something like that, but I don't think I'm ruthless enough.

And in every sense I must say that your last post looks much more worse than Wilwa's first yesterDay. I mean what did it consist of?

And here poor Wolfgrod falls into the trap of making a mountain out of a molehill... here we go...

- You were not surprised (you learned: last time you played surprised and people suspected you for it)

Hey please, that is ridiculous. If I had thought there was something wrong with my surprise yesterDay and wanted to act less suspiciously, I would not have commented on the predictability of the death at all toDay.

- Mac was innocent and "made clear" he was ready to vote wilwa to save you as he realised you were innocent!!! (so everyone else should follow his lead and trust you as he did so)

Well that is true, go and see! I'm not claiming everybody should follow his lead and trust me. You all have to make up your own mind. If you need to follow someone's lead on me, follow my own. I have the best knowledge of my role in this village. But it would be just as stupid for you to blindly follow my opinion of myself as Mac's opinion on me.

- Probably not the gifted-connection (well not as he was no gifted), but another point how sure he (an innocent) was of your innocence - and how you we're afraid as being looked as a gifted by the wolves... (without your own liking - or effort to be looked like that by us?)

...what? I was not afraid to be looked as a gifted by the wolves. If me shouting "I'm the ranger I'm the ranger" would make the wolves go for me instead of him/her, I would do that. Usually as an ordo I'm not trying to set myself up as a gifted for the simple reason that I'm selfish and don't want to die, but I don't definitely fear looking gifted because I know I'm less valuable than a real gifted. And I have no intention of misleading the innocent to think I'm gifted, because I have no reason for that (at least now, not toDay in this game).

- Your judgement is good indeeed in this game as you backed the right horse that Day. Although you of course felt crappy when wilwa died... (here your double-act works: you can both push wilwa to death and still reserve youurself a right to show a face of "I told I had better ideas")

I didn't say I had better ideas! I had other ideas, not better ideas. This point seems to me that you're just trying to make everything I do look suspicious, there's no point in this point. "You have good judgement ergo you're a wolf." Thanks a lot.

- I will just get heated up if you continue your speculation of me being a wolf... (a nice 100% proof defence. If I suspect you, you can just say I'm "heated"... right?)

No, dear, I won't say you're heated... I say you are a wolf who has decided to get me lynched toDay. Nice. And I made that comment because I didn't like the way you started going berserk when I disagreed with your facts. So you can take it as a mild sarcastic offense at your direction... and although I promised not to say that, what is this reply to that if not heated? *insert a mischevious smiley here*

Quite nice Lommy... but so fabricated and calculated (how can you fit that many messages into one post? *bows*) that it actually makes me consider you as my suspect number one right now.

Oh that is exactly the kind of statement that makes me want to hit the person who said that with something heavy and makes me write a defense smoke rising from my keyboard. *takes a deep relaxing breath* Thank you, but save your compliments for someone who deserves them. Like, next time you see a mirror, that might be a good line.

Okay and now I'm either off to sleep or write an RPG post but I feel like a pause from ww would do good... *still has smoke rising from keyboard and ears*

[Loslote]

*sigh* First we had NogRoa, then Roa left and Nog became MacaNog, and now Mac's died and it looks like we've got a NogLommy brewing, too! This is not to mention WilBoro and MorSally...

At least SalLottie was thoughtful enough to admit that they're the same person:

Originally Posted by sally

Vote count

Me-> Lommy
~~~
Sally-->Wilwa (5)

(And yes, I know you fixed it, I just thought that was hilarious )

[Loslote]

Oh, and I still suspect Lommy. I will probably vote her. I'll have to vote really soon, too, because I don't have nearly as much time as I'd like toDay.

[Loslote]

Anyone? *sigh*

Well, then, I guess there's no real reason to put it off.

++Lommy

take three...

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Or are the wolves trying to frame Brinn?

Well, I don't know if they were intentionally trying to frame me or at least I doubt that was their main motive for killing Mac. I don't think wolves often kill someone just to frame an innocent; if someone's framed, it's usually a bonus.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, I was expecting either him or me to die toNight

You thought you would be killed last Night? Really? After being fairly suspected yesterDay and wilwa turning out innocent? I'm not buying it.

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced Lommy is a wolf and she can try to defend herself all she wants, but I highly doubt she could change my mind on this. I would really like to see Lommy lynched toDay because until I know for sure whether I'm right, I'm going to have a lot of trouble focusing on anyone else. Every post she makes seems to seep with evil juice and it's bothering me so much. And knowing her role would tell us so much. Gah, I just have to be right about this! *is attempting to channel Shasta's psychic abilities*

Nogrod is looking innocent to me. Not only because he also suspects Lommy, but partly because of him mentioning the effort he's put into analysing at Night only for it to be for nothing, and obviously a wolf wouldn't spend hours analysing someone they're planning to kill off. Of course he could be just lying, but his comments and frustration over it felt sincere to me.

So that attempted last minute bandwagon against me yesterDay I find very suspicious since many last minute bandwagons in the past involved a wolf. It's one reason why I'm surprised to find Mac Night killed, as his death obviously clears him. It's one of the many reasons I find Lommy suspicious; the way she casually said she could go for a Brinn lynch, but wasn't trying to push for it too much. Reminds me of something I've done as a wolf in previous games. Sally I think was the one who first suggested it, which makes her look quite bad. But I don't think she and Lommy are both wolves as I would imagine the final two would spread themselves out a little more. But if I'm wrong about Lommy then Sally needs to be seriously examined.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here... Reading... Mac Gone... Hmm... I knew my first day vote wasn't the best but I really thought I might have been on to something...

10 left 2 wolves... 20% let's do this people!

Have to clean the apartment will be on most of tomorrow...

Recap


Wolf:
Sally still suspicious... More suspicious now. if only because she's still alive.

Bad:
Lommy highly suspicious to everyone also in the Wilwa Wagon... However this is hearsay... need to look into her myself...

Bes: playing the newbie card to full potential... I did that not good sign

Everyone else not sure about except one person...

Innocent:

Morsul

Clearly need to broaden my scope...

[Bes]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Innocent:

Morsul

Clearly need to broaden my scope...

Subtle.

[Morsul the Dark]

What? I am the only one I'm sure of lol

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Wow. Lots of Lommy vs. Nog at the moment. I'm inclined to believe Nog, but Lommy's latest post has a very frustrated-ordo feel about it... however I was positive that one of Mac and Lommy was a wolf, and Mac's now dead.

I need to look at them closer.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Wow. Lots of Lommy vs. Nog at the moment. I'm inclined to believe Nog, but Lommy's latest post has a very frustrated-ordo feel about it... however I was positive that one of Mac and Lommy was a wolf, and Mac's now dead.

I need to look at them closer.

I seriously can't see any of them as wolves at this point. They're both sticking their neck out mighty far in attacking the other.

Interesting that Lommy brings up a fact that Mac, Nog, nor I had been killed yet. Then Mac is killed who out the 3 of us, appeared to be accepted as the most innocent one.

It is silly how Lommy said she expected it to be her or Mac. But Lommy a wolf? That's not the feel I'm getting, how would wolf-Lommy benefit? I mean no one is going to unquestionably think..."Lommy is innocent, because she thought she was going to get killed." Saying that would only cause her trouble. Silly as it was, I think Lommy said it because I said yesterday how 2 of the 3 people who voted Mnemo twice were dead, all that's left was Lommy. Must have gone to her head. By pointing that out, I was hoping if she was innocent to anticipate the wolves next move and not have them kill Lommy, and also to try and get more time to look at her.

The wolves had a rocky start, but today (and the next) are going to be the most crucial, these are the swing days. Our situation isn't dire, as in "we have to get a wolf lynched now," but it is crucial. We either get it right and go into the night with 8 innocents (including the 2 gifteds) + 1 wolf. Or it's 7 - 2, with a good probability of it being 6-2 the next day. This is a crucial day for the wolves, but not desperate. I guess what I'm saying is, in this situation waiting in the shadows to enjoy all the sideshows taking place, getting the numbers evened out, getting better odds looks more likely than wolves sticking their necks out so forcefully just to get 1 person lynched.

As much as I want to go afterNog for his hypocritical reasons of suspecting me, I think he should only get a swat on the head for it. And to answer your question of the "consequences" I was referring to, I wasn't back-pedalling away from my wilwa-crusade. I was wrong, if you think I should be lynched for it, than do it. There will still be 2 wolves, but I won't be the worst loss.

This growing Lommy suspicion just looks too easy. Yes, Nog, I advocated for the simple and straight-forward, but that was in a situation when the day was closing and as much as people don't like bandwagoning, late counter-bandwagons turn out to be just as (if not more) of a disaster. So, yes late yesterday, I wanted to stay on-course so to say.

Today is a new day, new situation, new info to combine with the old, so don't be surprised if I don't go the "simple" road today and just lynch Lommy, because I don't like the looks of it. There is too big of a crowd that has been staying out of all these 1 on 1 battles we keep finding ourselves into.

(P.S. Lommy, if I stick my neck out for you and you turn out to be a wolf, you will be dead to me for a week).

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Morsul the Dark]

Alright Finished Cleaning the Bathroom and the closet is about 80% done... The Kitchen 100%... Living Room and Bedroom Tomorrow I've earned a Break!

Ok Anywho just felt like relating my progress on Apartment cleaning because... I dunno:

Nerwen Flies under my radar and I'm sorry to admit I find her femininely Charming and therefore less suspect."

Nerwen 16
In Character as well as pointing out revealing again unlikely... Made less likely with less gifteds...

Nerwen 34 Questions Boro

Nerwen 56 Questions Boro More Strongly...

67 Explains to Mac her questions of Boro

72 Defends Roa from Nogrod about "Intentional slip"

76 Explains sometimes innocents Don't pay close attention... True yet hmmm....

87 Defends Roa again against Boro again, also explains self on "Strange Comments"

89 Mmmmm.... Molehills

141-here reading

181-votes Mac for dodgy reasoning

216 again debating with boro about Wolf reveal tactics...

238 Thinks Nogrod Might be innocent explains Nogrod's not native English speaker... (On that Note he grasps it better than some Native speakers I know)

246- Questions Lottie's vote for Lommy

253 Questions/Annoyed by Mnem... Explains Shasta's questioning of Brinn and tells me Shasta is a he...

266 another post debating with Boro...

268 points out eomer and Boro both suspected Roa...

277-builds case against Mnem

293-Mnem not acting like herself acting like sally..... Mnem and sally acting alike mnem wolf=sallywolf? I still have my reasons from yesterday...

295- explains why people avoid speaking of Gifteds... say she'll vote early

301-votes Mnem

476-talks about her findings of Mnem analysis...

492- plans to vote soon- admits reasoning will be shaky (See Sally she posts once saying busy not 12 times saying busy )

503-not sure of Lottie

504- Votes Nienna for "not rightness"?

664 Don't ignore Lottie...

almost 2:30Am... Tired... ALMOST DONE! Will continue

745- Here Reading

765 sally shasta lommy nogrod all suspects... thinks maybe we should trust lottie

787- Ice humor

800-anyone here... crickets... apparently not...

805 explains sally shasta crossing... lottie not untouchable... defend bes's newbyness, explains only seen one Morwolf (which yes I spent 3 days pretending to be a cobbler.)

815- discussing Lottie... Wonders validity of reveal explains to Sally not everyone believes lottie...

831 Voting Soon vote "evil voters"

832 Shasta Sally Wilwa and Lommy top four suspects... nogrod lesser degree

839- votes Sally

841- good Luck

908- here reading


Conclusion- Looks good suspects wolves and votes well in my opinion.
909-me
tired going to sleep!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Maybe I'm brainless, but it's very hard for me to believe that neither Nogrod nor Lommy is a wolf at this point. The wolves can't afford to lose another of their own, not with so many innocents still around. The vibe I'm currently getting is that an innocent spotted a wolf, and the wolf is fighting back. I'm too tired to remember who started the fracas, though. Maybe I'll be more coherent tomorrow.

Edit: X'ed with Morsul.

[Nerwen]

Okay... I had to go and do some stuff.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Maybe I'm brainless, but it's very hard for me to believe that neither Nogrod nor Lommy is a wolf at this point. The wolves can't afford to lose another of their own, not with so many innocents still around. The vibe I'm currently getting is that an innocent spotted a wolf, and the wolf is fighting back. I'm too tired to remember who started the fracas, though. Maybe I'll be more coherent tomorrow.

The way Boro is springing to Lommy's defence now makes me wonder if it's Boro + Lommy. Or is that too simple?

I'd sort of come to think quite well of Boro, mainly because he tried to quash the "let's all agree to kill Lottie" thing– if she's innocent, as seems likely, that's a free kill for the wolves. But then a Borowolf might think supporting her would pay off in the long run.

On the other hand, I can't say I trust Nogrod either... though his frustration at finding Mac dead looks fairly genuine...

[Nerwen]

I really need to go back and read through everything. I've just been so flat-out the last few Days that I've been lazy and relied more on other people's analyses, which isn't a good thing.

[Thinlómien]

Loslote you being a known innocent does not mean thta you don't need to reason your votes or use your brains.

Okayaie, I'm less annoyed now, I'm not convinced Nogrod is a wolf but I won't be surprised at all if he turns out to be one. Here's a fair point by Nerwen:

though his frustration at finding Mac dead looks fairly genuine...

I didn't think of that and I agree with this statement. However, I can imagine him starting that analysis while waiting his fellow to reply his PM and then be sort of convinced to kill Mac instead (and thus abandon the analysis) and just then gloat about his sort of frustration here. Or of course he could be bluffing, but that seems less characteristic.

Originally Posted by Brinn

You thought you would be killed last Night? Really? After being fairly suspected yesterDay and wilwa turning out innocent? I'm not buying it.

You can call me silly, sure, but I did think of that as an option. I thought Mac's death as more probable, though, since he was suspected less by far. Besides the wolves have killed suspicious-looking previous Day's lynch-candidates before in this game (like Inzil).

Originally Posted by Brinn

And knowing her role would tell us so much. Gah, I just have to be right about this! *is attempting to channel Shasta's psychic abilities*

And what exactly would that tell you? If I was a wolf, my death could make you or Nogrod look better, but as I'm not, it won't really tell you anything. Just consider, what will you benefit if you lynch me and find out I'm innocent? Will that make you suspect yourself? Or Nogrod? Or do something else? And sorry darling, you are not right about this. If you lynch me, I will make sure my last words are "what did I tell you?"

You can lynch me if you want to. However, I don't think that's smart. That's one more innocent lynch, and although we can still afford that, it would be stupid. Especially as I really think you will get nothing out of my death (except maybe suspicion for Brinn, but that would serve her right ). And I'd like to echo what Boro said about this being a sort of crucial Day, so I'd prefer lynching a wolf toDay.

Originally Posted by Brinn

It's one of the many reasons I find Lommy suspicious; the way she casually said she could go for a Brinn lynch, but wasn't trying to push for it too much. Reminds me of something I've done as a wolf in previous games.

And why would I have done that as a wolf? My own life was in danger, I had expressed a lot of suspicion of Wilwa and she would've been the easy lynch. If I was a wolf, why not just go for Wilwa and not start meddling with some tricky last minute bandwagon when I myself had the shared place of most votes already? It just doesn't make any sense!

Originally Posted by Boro

Silly as it was, I think Lommy said it because I said yesterday how 2 of the 3 people who voted Mnemo twice were dead, all that's left was Lommy. Must have gone to her head.

No, it wasn't because of that. Didn't I say yesterDay myself that after you brought the whole thing up, it's unlikely [I'm going to die next? The only reason why I thought I could be killed is Mac's rather puzzlingly strong defense of me, which made at least me and Sally raise eyebrows, so why not the wolves? And when I said I expected to be killed, I'm not saying I was pondering who would get killed for the whole Night and conclude it's Mac or me. No. Merely when I was waiting for my private modly news service to send me an sms about the death since I wasn't around myself at DL, I started thinking who could've died and it just occured to me it could be Mac or me, more probably him. So I was not surprised when I got the message announcing Mac's death.

Originally Posted by Boro

This growing Lommy suspicion just looks too easy.

Agreed. I don't really get why I am so suspicious. If it's because of Wilwa, well, I'm not the only one who suspected her and there was even the possibility I wouldn't have voted her. And if advocating a lynch for innocent (Wilwa) makes me guilty, more or less everybody is guilty based on yesterDay, because I'm innocent too. And if it's because I said I thought I could've been killed - well as a wolf it probably wouldn't have occured to me that I could be killed, hint hint. No, as a wolf I wouldn't be ruthless enough to fabricate some "Mac and I might look gifted together" theory, then kill Mac as thanks for being more or less the only one who thinks me innocent and claim it proves my innocence. That would be quite gross. And speaking of this, if I was a wolf, why on earth would I have killed Mac? He was one of the few who really believed in my innocence. Why would I kill him then when there's considerable amounts of suspicion against me? Again, it doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by Boro

(P.S. Lommy, if I stick my neck out for you and you turn out to be a wolf, you will be dead to me for a week).

Now I feel like PMing Legate and asking him to change my role so that I'd see you sulking. Well seriously no, but you can be sure that you will be dead for me for a week, if you only gallantly step to my aid only because you're a wolf who thinks he will have a mighty good "I told you so" Day after I'm dead...

Originally Posted by Shasta

The vibe I'm currently getting is that an innocent spotted a wolf, and the wolf is fighting back. I'm too tired to remember who started the fracas, though.

YesterDay, I started with presenting the Nogrod-Sally theory, and toDay, Nogrod started by bashing my first post.

PS. for Nogrod - you diss me for suggesting you are a wolf because there would be so much wolf-on-wolf, yet you suspect me of all people. That's quite contradictory. If you claim wolves would shy away from massive amounts of wolf-on-wolvery, why are you jumping on a person who tried to get Mnemo lynched for two Days in a row and who voted second asnd third, both times at the sort of "get the bandwagon rolling" point?

PPS. I checked the vote count for Day2.

Originally Posted by Nienna, some numbers added by me

Lottie --> Lommy
Trom --> Boro
Mnemo --> Pitchwife
Nerwen --> Mnemo
Brinn --> Lottie
Boro --> Zil
Shasta --> Nerwen
Lommy --> Mnemo (2)
Morsul --> Lottie (2)
Wilwa --> Boro (2)
Greenie --> Mnemo (3)
Mac --> Mnemo (4)
Pitchwife --> Mnemo (5)
Zil --> Lottie (3)
Sally --> Lottie (4)
Nienna --> Lommy (2)
Nog --> Mnemo (6)
Eomer --> Mnemo (7)

Your vote wasn't decisive, it was maybe confirming, but not decisive. Mnemo would have died without your vote, especially as, if I recall correctly, Eomer who was left to vote after you had suspected Mnemo quite a lot.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Maybe I'm brainless, but it's very hard for me to believe that neither Nogrod nor Lommy is a wolf at this point. The wolves can't afford to lose another of their own, not with so many innocents still around. The vibe I'm currently getting is that an innocent spotted a wolf, and the wolf is fighting back.

I agree with the whole fighting back part. Lommy feels like a cornered wolf to me and I swear I remember seeing her act this way before as a threatened wolf. Which is probably why I'm so convinced she is one this time.

If I'm somehow wrong about Lommy, I don't think that necessarily means Nogrod is guilty. At this stage, I don't really see why a wolfish Nogrod who has been under not much scrutiny himself would want to build this huge case against an innocent who could probably still get lynched without it.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

The way Boro is springing to Lommy's defence now makes me wonder if it's Boro + Lommy. Or is that too simple?

I'd sort of come to think quite well of Boro, mainly because he tried to quash the "let's all agree to kill Lottie" thing– if she's innocent, as seems likely, that's a free kill for the wolves. But then a Borowolf might think supporting her would pay off in the long run.

I'm not sure a Borowolf would be so obvious in defending her if they were packmates. There's a good chance Lommy could be lynched toDay, and if they were wolves together, I'd imagine the smarter thing to do would be to go wolf on wolf. And I know Boro doesn't mind throwing fellow wolves under the bus, so why would he defend his mate if it'll only make him look worse?

Originally Posted by Lommy

And what exactly would that tell you? If I was a wolf, my death could make you or Nogrod look better, but as I'm not, it won't really tell you anything. Just consider, what will you benefit if you lynch me and find out I'm innocent? Will that make you suspect yourself? Or Nogrod? Or do something else? And sorry darling, you are not right about this. If you lynch me, I will make sure my last words are "what did I tell you?"

I did say I have doubts that you and Sally are wolves together, so knowing your role could raise or lower my suspicions of her. That's only one example.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't really get why I am so suspicious. If it's because of Wilwa, well, I'm not the only one who suspected her and there was even the possibility I wouldn't have voted her.

Nah. Your vote for wilwa only added fuel to an already burning fire. I've been suspecting you since the end of Day 3.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Lommy feels like a cornered wolf to me and I swear I remember seeing her act this way before as a threatened wolf. Which is probably why I'm so convinced she is one this time.

Aye, I've acted quite similarily as a cornered wolf. Only then it's more like a martyr show and less rational (because I know I sort of deserve the suspicion even if the accusations are stupid) than now. But I've acted similarily as a cornered ordo, or even as a cornered ranger. So I wouldn't make any conclusions if I was you (especially as you're making the wrong conclusions. If you end up lynching me, my slight comfort will be that at least Brinn gets to be proven wrong. )

Originally Posted by Brinn

I did say I have doubts that you and Sally are wolves together, so knowing your role could raise or lower my suspicions of her. That's only one example.

Then let's lynch Sally. That would give me an idea of Nogrod's role and you an idea of my role.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I've been suspecting you since the end of Day 3.

Yes, without any reason I can see as sensible and without caring about the fact that if I was a wolf, I would either be a very ruthless and cold-hearted one or a very stupid one (pursuing a fellow since Day1, killing Mac last Night, for example). Please, think outside the box for a while. Consider what I have said in my defense and whether it could be true. Just, for a while, let go of your suspicion and try to see it from my point of view. If you still suspect me as strongly, well then I think that there is no understanding between us because I can't see how can you still suspect me and you can't see where I'm coming from and you may try to get me lynched with better conscience. Just if you are an innocent, you should reconsider and not latch yourself to a mindless attack. It's braver to reconsider your old suspicions than to stick them to then end if they don't make any sense.

PS. Totally unrelatedly, Brinn, I like your sig.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Maybe I'm brainless, but it's very hard for me to believe that neither Nogrod nor Lommy is a wolf at this point. The wolves can't afford to lose another of their own, not with so many innocents still around. The vibe I'm currently getting is that an innocent spotted a wolf, and the wolf is fighting back. I'm too tired to remember who started the fracas, though. Maybe I'll be more coherent tomorrow.

That was my point, right now they need days, they need to even out the numbers. If one of them was a wolf, wouldn't you expect a little more calmness instead of immediate retaliation towards the other? They need days, and if one of them is a wolf, than either Nog or Lommy are really placing the last wolf in a terrible situation.

I don't like the how the attention has been narrowed down to 2 people, when there are 6-7 others chilling around. When I get back from class I'll look at those others.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

That was my point, right now they need days, they need to even out the numbers. If one of them was a wolf, wouldn't you expect a little more calmness instead of immediate retaliation towards the other? They need days, and if one of them is a wolf, than either Nog or Lommy are really placing the last wolf in a terrible situation.

I don't like the how the attention has been narrowed down to 2 people, when there are 6-7 others chilling around. When I get back from class I'll look at those others.

Nerwen... maybe because she defended me my first game seems so low on my suspect meter and yet deep withing a nagging doubt...

Boro still waiting to see why I look bad

Shasta not off the radar yet but slipping away...

Sally still my top suspect...

Living room and Bedroom and Laundry I refuse to be distracted by WereWolf! My participation will be my own reward once I'm done cleaning...

[satansaloser2005]

Caught up (sorry I took so long but I had to catch up on all my internet stuff) and needless to say I'll be sticking with what I said yesterDay. Wilwa, alas, was an innocent, which makes me very uneasy with Lommie. (And now after Mac's dead I need to have a really good look at Nog too.)

Warning in advance. If I can only drop in and vote without looking things over further I'll be voting for Lommie (or possibly Brinn, but Lommie's my first choice). I want to save my vote because it's really early but if I can't get back in and a wolf escapes because I couldn't vote I'll be really upset. Blah.

Village, it's up to you now. I don't think I'll be around much for a couple Days so be sure to make good choices and look things over carefully. Best of luck and I'll see you when I can.

[Nogrod]

Reading through the thread I was quite amazed of the fast and easy "Lommy-wagon" - even if people suspecting her had suspected her earlier as well. But it looked really bad.

Which brought me to this:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Loslote you being a known innocent does not mean thta you don't need to reason your votes or use your brains.

Now let's pause for a moment.


Lottie called her role as the "Birthday dreamer"

Now please veterans help me out (Lommy & Boro I think have played long enough) or those who have read the really old games...

But wasn't a "birthday dreamer" a person who got to dream of someone on a certain pre-given Night (like Night 3 or 4) - and then got the role of the one s/he dreamt?!!!

That is the birthday -part of it: as a present that person may take the new role (I don't remember whether it was compulsory to take that role or whether there was a choice involved).

Enedwaith...

Feel free to suspect me that I'm trying to out our only "known innocent", but I'm pretty serious. It is a real concern to me at least now that I remembered the nature of that role, as it had been. Not only because it would mean we have actually three wolves left and not just two, but also that one of them might lie down in front of us trusted by everyone.

If I was a wolf and the stuff I say was just my trick on you, please consider would I then try to voice this concern this openly? I know some of you jump on me saying: he's trying to speak against Lottie once more and she must be innocent. But I have felt the whole Lottie-thing being odd all the time. Was it Wilwa who said that what an anticlimax to have a once dreaming seer as the secret role... I agree. And looking at what she does doesn't make me think of her any more innocentish.

A birthday dreamer - old-school way - would be a neutralish role in the beginning as that person could dream of anyone; gifted or wolf or ordo...

Why did they sacrifice Pitchie then? A good question... Maybe there was a ruling that if she found a wolf he should be revealed as not to make the game too uneven (already four wolves in the beginning and then this to put people off the track even more)?

I'm not sure about this... well how could I be? But consider, especially you who are familiar with the "Birthday dreamer".

Okay, now to make myself a dinner... just had to vent this out.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lottie called her role as the "Birthday dreamer"

Now please veterans help me out (Lommy & Boro I think have played long enough) or those who have read the really old games...

But wasn't a "birthday dreamer" a person who got to dream of someone on a certain pre-given Night (like Night 3 or 4) - and then got the role of the one s/he dreamt?!!!

I have no idea whether what Nog's saying here is right– this was all before my time– but that would change everything.

Anyone know?