Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

I would rather lynch Boro over phantom as I think if only one is a wolf I would think it to be Boro.~morm

Where did the consistant and gathered morm go? Just recently you said you're not all that suspicious, now suddenly the phantom or myself has to be a wolf, and of those two it's most likely me? You've been poking at tp all game, but now you want me lynched over him?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Where did the consistant and gathered morm go? Just recently you said you're not all that suspicious, now suddenly the phantom or myself has to be a wolf, and of those two it's most likely me? You've been poking at tp all game, but now you want me lynched over him?

Things change Boro, tp has been odd and your little buddy-buddy relationship has bothered me. Your reactions are conving me more and more of your guilt. Now it seems that you are willing to turn on tp to get him lynched over you...odd you just said when you are a wolf you are willing to turn on your mates if it's to your advantage.

[Boromir88]

Now it seems that you are willing to turn on tp to get him lynched over you.~morm

Now you sir are putting words in my mouth. I asked you why you suddenly want me lynched over tp, I have not in any way thrown him under the bus.

[the phantom]

I think it's pretty much hilarious that some of you guys are suspecting me of Wolvery on the basis that I'm actually trying to do something to help the village (impact the WW kill to avoid the Seer).

What have you done for the village? Any ploys working for you? Had any ideas?

No. Of course not. You'd rather get all twisted out of shape because other people are actively fighting the Wolves in ways that you don't like for some reason.

Anyway, I'm home now and I'm catching up on the reading. I'll be giving some direct responses shortly.

[Boromir88]

I'll give you this too...I have a feeling Rune's gonna like this one;

In this game, I would gladly say take me, and not tp...but see if I gave that impression they (being wolves) would of course take the phantom.

[Nogrod]

Okay. The way I see that chess match. I'm not yet saying I have a strong opinion who are the real players, I'm just trying to give a picture of what were the "seen" moves in the game and will give a few thoughts of it afterwards. And I do hope you will have your say about this as well!


Part I

1st move

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aganzir is really bugging me... and I don't think it's just paranoia.
We have the earlier example of her persistant attack on Lommy, followed by a very sudden dropping of suspicion. At the time I thought I'd wait and see, as it could be either the action of a wolf who saw she wasn't getting any takers... or of an innocent who'd taken a shower and realised she been over-the-top.
...And then today we have another Legate 180 (or an approach to one, anyway), with yours truly as the subject.

...

She goes from seeing me as not very suspicious (but not wanting to dismiss me, based on her knowledge of me, which I think is fair enough) to deciding I'm guilty... based on the same evidence.
Huh?
Now, I don't think I'm being biased... Aganzir is being very erratic, and doesn't seem to feel the need to explain. I don't know what it means, since it seems too clumsy for an Aganwolf... but it's not something I can ignore either.

2nd move

Originally Posted by Boro

There you go Nerwen, putting us back to work.

Anyway, my thoughts, are Agan's harmless. Unless you're a wolf, because she's a pretty intense investigator and interrogator.

Edit: P.S. Oh great, I probably just signed Agan's death warrant now. Sorry my lady.

3rd move

Originally Posted by tp

If you did, then I'm going to be ticked. Seriously- if Agan's dead tomorrow I will attack you without mercy!

4th move

Originally Posted by Nerwen

While I'm at it, Boro, if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you.

5th move

Originally Posted by Boro

No need, I'm going to move to strike this entire lame duck period off the record, and therefor it would have never existed.

Interlude by Daychange

Originally Posted by tp

So, I suggest that you stop giving me reading assignments, or so help me I'll start that Boro-Nog war I threatened and I'll back your opponent.

Which is pointing at this earlier post.

Originally Posted by tp

Tomorrow I'd like to see Boro and Nog go at it, and one of them lynch the other. That would be fun. We haven't had a full blown loudmouth war yet this game.

I believe that I will start off Day 3 by attacking both of them, and see if I can't get the village to jump on board.

Part II

1st move

Originally Posted by Boro

Oh just my luck, I hope the wolves really don't think the intelligent villagers will fall for such an obvious trick?

2nd move

Originally Posted by tp

So, Agan died. I'm sad, because I trusted her. Plus she's all smart and pretty and stuff.

Originally Posted by tp

Was there a trick involved?
Do explain. I love tricks.

3rd move

Originally Posted by Boro

Their trick to get me lynched, I want to see how they plan to work this one out.

4th move

Originally Posted by tp to Boro's move 3

How selfish of you. Assuming that the entire kill was based on lynching you! How arrogant. How self centered!
The plan was obviously to set up me to be lynched.

5th move

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, that was predictable.

6th move

Originally Posted by Boro

Feeling good about that one are you Nerwen? Why didn't you go for morm, he's been coming after you.

7th move

Originally Posted by tp about Nerwen's move 5

Hey, now, some of us are just now finding out the kill, and are still in shock. Not all of us knew several hours ago like you did, so just keep your snide comments to yourself.

8th move

Originally Posted by Ilya

No need to take that tone, tp. I could say it's arrogant of you and Boro to assume the kill was about getting one of you lynched. I don't get how that would work. Both of y'all trusted Agan. I don't know what case a wolf could reasonably stir up. It'd be much easier to drive me to the gallows, since I've continually said I suspected Agan. That said, Nerwen, you're being odd and it's weirding me out.

9th move

Originally Posted by Boro

After defending her I said I probably just signed her death warrant...definitely makes it look like I knew too much.

10th move

Originally Posted by tp

Now, am I correct in assuming you said all of that about Agan because you were in fact setting her up to be killed during the Night?

Because that's sort of why I declared her innocent and said what I did about her. I thought for sure she was not a WW, and not the Seer, but an Ordo that was likely to be a lynching distraction to other Ordos, and therefore thought it best that she die during the Night. So I did what I could to make her look like an attractive target.

Oh my. This is a stupid endeavour indeed...

I mean the rest is there for you to see.

Bleurgh. I feel such an idiot at the moment, but I hope the compiling of the beginnings and how it went yesterDay helps...

I thought it was a good idea but turned out to be a Sisyfos-task.


And I seem to have crossposted with a lot of people so I'm leaving this here but will try to show a few points after I've read the latest.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

On Gil, is there any risk of mod-fire from lack of participation? I don' remember reading that but I find it highly aggrivating and totally irresponsible to do this.

I made the executive decision when he first showed up and claimed that he refused to read the rules that you guys get to deal with him. I'm staying right out of it.

[satansaloser2005]

The best choice for rep is obvious.



--Gil for representative






EDIT: I would have added something else to my 'nomination' but I figured it would get me modfired. Hehe.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Lommy

But anyway, what I was intending to talk about was this whole Boro-phantom mess. There are (surprisngly) three options:

1) They're both innocent and did indeed intentionally cause Aganzir's death to protect the seer and remove an innocent lynch target.

2) They're both guilty, and are having a little joke and enjoying it tremendously, or then just trying to cover their tracks.

3) One of them is a wolf and tricking the other while laughing evilly. (As a sidenote, if this is the case, they totally deserve it and we others should let them quarrel in peace.)

If 2 was true then we'd get totally busted by the Seer.

If 3 is true then congrats to Boro. You're playing awesome.

But logically option 1 makes the most sense. And if option 1 is true then that means Boro and I are trying harder than anyone in this village to bring about victory. Yeah, so let's lynch us.

Originally Posted by me

4) The Seer has almost certainly checked us by now.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Really, forget about that nonsense. Why would s/he have?

Now, all of this nonsense about questioning my Seer dream statements. To me, it seems as if you're asking, "You seem sure that you've been a dream already. Who is the Seer, Phantom?"

Well, I don't think I need to tell you that I'm not about to touch that question.

Originally Posted by Lommy

He may claim he did intentionally get Agan killed. That might be true. But it's just as probable that he just made this explanation up afterwards, or even worse, had it all planned in his wolvish mind all along... I don't trust him, at all. All that - the wolves falling for his "masterful" ploy etc - just looks a bit too smooth...

Indeed, I did set up Agan to get killed.

I was originally trying to set up Gil, but your sister managed to throw a wrench in that ploy. So instead I tried to set up Agan. Good thing you weren't around or you probably would've tried to sabotage it.

And as far as the "the wolves falling" for the ploy- that is possibly what happened. Or it is also possible that the kill was made for reasons of their own, but happened to fit nicely with what I was trying to accomplish. There's no way to know.

Originally Posted by morm

It just seems rather odd to me that they would be so close and trusting.

It's nothing we haven't done before.

As a matter of fact, I can recall a game (I think it was another of Fea's) where Boro and I reached a complete understanding on the very first day.

Sorry, but that's just how we roll.

Originally Posted by Nog

Anyway, whatever your role is you can probably count your Days to be numbered pretty soon.

I'm counting on it. I plan on being Wolf-bait tonight. Unless Boro beats me for the honors, in which case I shall find my rest the following night.

(to be continued....)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boro

You know as well as I do flip-flopping is not a crime, you're admittingly one of the biggest flip-floppers around, and yet always innocent.

Oh, I wasn't really seriously believing in your guilt before, but you're starting to make me more convinced. That is not a very good defense, dear sir. That does not in any way explain your actions. Just elaborate a little. Like "I forgot that..." or something. Also, you replied nothing when I commented about your earlier contradiction...

~*~

Ok, now a list.

Innocentish
Brinn, Rune, Greenie, Kath - it's just the general tone of their posts, and a gut-feeling. I'm well aware, though, that they might be slipping under my radar too.
morm - I don't know, he just seems very innocent toDay.
Shasta - however fishy you others find him, I have to admit it, I trust him.

Middle
Nerwen - I used to consider her rather innocent but something, maybe the general mood in this village, has made me more doubtful. Also, I know she's so terribly horribly sneaky as a wolf that I'd do right in distrusting her a little.
Gil, Gwath, THE Ka - not enough material to go on.
Nogrod - I think he seems rather innocent now, but he has been rather suspicious in the past... He's curiously distant in this game and I can't get a proper read on him.
Ilya - looks more innocent now. I'm not ready to bury all my doubts of her yet, though.
Sally - more like traditional innocent sally than traditional evil sally, but she could really just be either. She makes me raise my eyebrows a little from time to time, like that long explanation of hers of why Nerwen's guilty really didn't make any sense to me.

Suspicious
phantom, Boro - (surprise surprise ) I don't like all this ploy stuff of theirs. I think it's totally possible that just one of them is a wolf (and it's even possible they're both innocent, but for that they're acting pretty darn suspiciously) but it would be difficult to say which one since they both have suspicious traits of their own on top of those that they share. Tp seems somehow a little detached, throws around weird arguments, is over-eager to defend himself and dismisses suspicions against him on weak grounds. Boro keeps flip-flopping and seems to avoid stuff.

In conclusion: I have very little idea who to vote for a rep. I'd be tempted of picking one of those that strike me as innocent but slip under my radar but I don't really know.. somehow I'd be more comfortable voting either morm or Shasta. Oh, I need to think and also, I need to see who my rep-candidates suspect and how and why... Also, I must say I'm not content at all with only finding tp and Boro suspicious. I dn't want to get too focused on them.
But anyway, now I'm going and handing the keyboard over to Greenie...


edit: mass-exd

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I made the executive decision when he first showed up and claimed that he refused to read the rules that you guys get to deal with him.

I'm daring to believe this is good news looking at this game. It means we can count him within our numbers, that is when the tally is done.

But you who haven't played with him should also know that his history in WW hasn't been the most pleasant one to be honest as he tended to get lynched or killed everytime he played quite early with basically the same reasons he got picked on in this one...

Some of you of course didn't know that and I'm believing that was unintentional. But you might wish to send him a PM after the game? Just a suggestion...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

I do have a feeling though that quite an interesting game of chess was played there

Yes! Indeed there was!

And you'll notice that part of it was meant to keep you alive as well. The whole Boro-Nog war that I threatened... that was a complete bluff. I have no intention of starting one. I never did. But I was hoping that it might help the WWs think that it would be beneficial to leave you and Boro alive through the Night.

Originally Posted by Green

I don't like the way the two of them trust each other so easily. I believe I even asked it once, and the answer had something to do with ploys...

Yes, the reason why I'm really trusting him at this point is that he appears to have caught onto my ploys and not attempted to ruin them, while at the same time running similar ploys of his own.

I've heard plenty of people say they don't like ploys, blah blah whine whine- but the fact is they have worked beautifully in the past, and have possibly already aided us in this village. So seriously, who cares if you don't like them?

Originally Posted by Shasta

completely ignoring the fact that he himself is probably the biggest distraction of all, so by that logic, should have tried to get himself killed.

I wanted one more day.

I got it.

So tonight, I do indeed hope to leave the village honorably via Wolf-kill.

Originally Posted by Shasta

If you were going to try that ploy, why not on Gil, Gwath, or Ka?

Did you read yesterday at all? I did try it with Gil.

[Boromir88]

If 3 is true then congrats to Boro. You're playing awesome.~the phantom

Ditto to you sir.

Like "I forgot that..." or something. Also, you replied nothing when I commented about your earlier contradiction...~Lommy

I don't take the time to respond to those baseless accusations. I fail to see how it was a contradiction, I was asking Rune to clarify what he said, it had nothing to do with what I thought about Agan and her death.

Boro keeps flip-flopping and seems to avoid stuff.~Lommy

I thought you would have known by now, I have an answer and explanation for everything when I'm a wolf. I can make every piece of the story fit together. I don't have all the answers Lommy, give me a couple days and maybe I will. Right now I have no clue who are the wolves, but I have a good feeling on a couple people I think are innocent, and there's a place to start. I'm not conventional, and I don't play it safe, you don't like that fine, but at least try to distinguish the difference between mindgames that try to baffle wolves, and mindgames that intentionally lead the village astray.

Edit: crossed with the phantom.

[Boromir88]

You'll love this one too Lommy, I'm actually in the process of another ploy right now, but if I told you right now, I'd have to kill you - or well make sure you wouldn't tell the world.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm actually in the process of another ploy right now

Villager 1: "Oh really, you are? Tell us what it is! Tell us!"
Villager 2: "Nah, just go ahead and do it, but know that I think all ploys are suspicious!"
Villager 3: "Ooh, ooh, and if your ploy works and you succeed in thwarting the Wolves, we'll try to lynch you!"
Villager 4: "Yeah, that makes sense!"

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Phantom

blah blah whine whine

Is that not what you are doing?

People start to question you and you start whining "sob sob I am the one trying the hardest, people don't get me sob sob"

[the phantom]

I don't see any way you can confuse people complaining about effective ploys with me pointing out what they are doing.

[satansaloser2005]

To Noggie, re: my fake vote for Gil.

You realize I was kidding, right? I meant no harm, Fea's comment just caught my eye and I couldn't resist the joke.



All right, children, play nice now. If phantom and/or Boro are wolves, you're probably playing right into their hands by talking about them and pretty much no one else.

[the phantom]

In addition, I cannot see how you can attempt to take my obviously exaggerated paraphrasing ("whine whine") and turn it into some kind of point. And I won't even mention that my "whine whine" addition was far closer to the truth of the attitudes displayed than your "sob sob" summary of my attitude.

[mormegil]

++Lommy for Rep

Okay so I'm likely to be a bit more hit and miss for the remainder of the day and I would like to get my vote out there. I think Lommy the most innocent and I have a degree of trust in her. She is responsible and wise. She will do what she finds best with her vote and she has a similar mind to me.

FYI...they are doing some hardwood flooring work in our house so I will be displaced tomorrow and a few days this coming week. Internet access may be a bit more limited, I'm not sure if I will have access where we plan to stay.

[A Little Green]

Some comments on the hot potato of the Day - phantom and Boro.

Originally Posted by Boro

You would like that wouldn't you wolf-Rune. Some fun and fireworks while you get the two most active people lynched and out of your way?

This is a good example of a thing that has been bothering me in Boro for some time, but I've never remembered to point it out before now... It's actually very similar to what he said to Nerwen at the beginning of this Day. Both times, a small quote followed by a direct, half-playful accusation. I have no idea what he is aiming at with those. Ummm... Actually, Boro, are you serious with these or not?

Originally Posted by phantom

What have you done for the village? Any ploys working for you? Had any ideas?

Now this really makes me miss the games in which you could be an OK villager without making all sorts of ploys all the time... Just imagine a village in which everyone is fabricating their own ploys and whenever someone throws suspicion around (always as a part of the ploy, though), it will be answered by "Shhhh, if you are innocent, you'll leave that be."

Originally Posted by phantom

So tonight, I do indeed hope to leave the village honorably via Wolf-kill.

Ahem. Sorry to be simple, but if you really are innocent and want to do so, why say it aloud? (Oh sorry, I forgot. This must be a ploy so you obviously can't answer the question.)

Honestly, this ploy stuff is getting on my nerves. I don't like a situation where a few players can basically turn away every suspicion concerning their weird behaviour saying "Oh, that was a ploy, but of course you are too silly to understand advanced WW-playing. *sigh*"

Gah.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom, Sally, phantom and morm

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Whenever people don't get what you are up to, you tell them that it is a ploy and when they start questioning that you get offended.

I did not see anymore whining from their part, than from you. . . . So that was why I made my remarc.

EDIT: Cross posted with LG

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Rune, about Nog

Little Green does not seem to trust him and bases her fears on his votes, of the two vote I see the Legate as the more incriminating one.

A slight correction... Nog didn't vote Legate himself - I wouldn't be so wary if he had. What worried me was that he raised a point (quite vague and exaggerated, based on Leggie's Star Wars jokes) against Legate when there already was speculation about voting him around. It seemed like encouraging people to vote an innocent Legate while keeping his own hands clean of doing something Nog would obviously never do (ie. lynching a contributing player on Day 1).

I'll vote for a rep soonish, and my vote will probably go for one of the three I mentioned earlier (Rune, Sally or morm). I could also vote Lommy. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on who they'd like to see as reps, so I could better judge who is a reasonable vote candidate in the sense that I could hope that the same person gets another vote as well. The whole business of choosing reps seems to have been forgotten in all this phantom-Boro-mess...


EDIT: x-ed with Rune

[the phantom]

Green- you asked a question that I think needed to be asked at this point. I'm preparing an answer.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

A slight correction... Nog didn't vote Legate himself - I wouldn't be so wary if he had. What worried me was that he raised a point (quite vague and exaggerated, based on Leggie's Star Wars jokes) against Legate when there already was speculation about voting him around. It seemed like encouraging people to vote an innocent Legate while keeping his own hands clean of doing something Nog would obviously never do (ie. lynching a contributing player on Day 1).

I'll vote for a rep soonish, and my vote will probably go for one of the three I mentioned earlier (Rune, Sally or morm). I could also vote Lommy. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on who they'd like to see as reps, so I could better judge who is a reasonable vote candidate in the sense that I could hope that the same person gets another vote as well. The whole business of choosing reps seems to have been forgotten in all this phantom-Boro-mess...


EDIT: x-ed with Rune

That just shows how easily I can be manipulated. . . When I read that I was sure I remembered Noggie voting for him, I guess I should always go back and check these things when in doubt. (or maybe it just shows that I have no memory)

I appologise Nogrod

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm. I think I'm going to wait until I get back from work to vote. At the moment, I'm considering Boro, Morm, Phantom, and maybe Lommie or Greenie. Semi in that order, but not specifically.

So basically I have no idea yet.



Re: Morm.
Thanks for letting us know you may be gone bud. Have them come redo my kitchen when they're done, would you?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

Just imagine a village in which everyone is fabricating their own ploys and whenever someone throws suspicion around (always as a part of the ploy, though), it will be answered by "Shhhh, if you are innocent, you'll leave that be."

Originally Posted by Green

I don't like a situation where a few players can basically turn away every suspicion concerning their weird behaviour saying "Oh, that was a ploy, but of course you are too silly to understand advanced WW-playing. *sigh*"

You are totally exaggerating the situation. Not very many ploys have been done, and to my knowledge they all have been explained in detail.

So this business about turning aside every suspicion via ploys and not allowing people to talk- that's simply not true.

Originally Posted by me

So tonight, I do indeed hope to leave the village honorably via Wolf-kill.

Originally Posted by Green

Ahem. Sorry to be simple, but if you really are innocent and want to do so, why say it aloud? (Oh sorry, I forgot. This must be a ploy so you obviously can't answer the question.)

Incorrect. I can answer this.

The Wolf-bait ploy: That I am perfectly open with the fact that I am but a Seer-shielding Ordo does not negatively impact the ploy, for the Werewolves know good and well that I might do the same exact thing as the Seer. They fear this, and thus feel compelled to kill me despite my declaration that it is a trick.

On one hand the WWs desperately want me dead. On the other hand, it is possible that to be killed is exactly what I want, so they are equally compelled not to use the kill on me.

What is the obvious solution?

Kill me, but not with a Night kill.

In other words, get me lynched.

And has anyone noticed? That's the direction the wind has started to blow. All of you, put aside your suspicion of me for a moment and read through that explanation again. Pretend that someone you trust wrote it. It makes perfect sense, and I believe that that is exactly what is happening here in this village.

Anyway, thanks for asking that, Green.

Any other questions? I'm innocent, and I'm here to help. You might want to try and talk with me rather than suspect me simply for being buddy-buddy with someone else who, according to the odds of this village, has a 75% chance of being innocent.

[Nogrod]

So a few possibilities over that chess-game.


First Nerwen's initial answer to Agan looks pretty odd because of a few things.

First she tries to nullify it with the fact that Agan changed her mind during the Day. She indeed casts suspicion on Agan for doing a Legate 180 twice (with Lommy earlier) - while the original Legate 180 was an innocent one!
Secondly she still left it open, leaving reservations like it would be clumsy for an Aganwolf - which is true indeed.

But clearly it looks bad for Nerwen. She defends herself strongly (with bad reasons, look the first point above) not to get lynched but still tries to leave a considerate aftertaste to us others while preceeding to kill her at Night (point two), right? So Nerwolf thought that as Agan's case was so bad she could have been a seer? And therefore... end of story.


Second thing is the initial phase of the proposed "wolves should kill Agan" plot.

First of all Boro made his remark on "signing Agan's death warrant" as an "edit" PS. to the post. If it was sincerely an edit it would fit nicely with his subsequent post answering Nerwen's "threat" of starting to suspect him with: "I'm going to move to strike this entire lame duck period off the record, and therefor it would have never existed", so effectively backtracking from what he said? This interpretation would make Boro look wolvish and tp not. Also the status of Nerwen could be called into question. How about they (Boro & Nerwen) played it together? Nerwen says: "if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you". It's nicely articulated to be a wolf on wolf to be sure.

On the other hand, if Boro was using that "edit" and "PS." merely as a ploy and had intended to give that appearance trying to make Agan lynched for the good of the country as he was so secure she was not the seer? And then tp managed to get the plot in less than five minutes. Real heroes!

But correct me if I'm wrong. My feeling is that tp has claimed to be the mastermind of that plot and made a big number of it - not Boro. Still Boro made the first move if this is true... There is something too smooth in this story for me to believe.

Maybe tp got the idea from Boro's hasty PS. and Boro followed suit? If that is the case I'm really astonished and admiring your teamwork.


Okay. It seems there is a lot of posting and I'll have a break here...

[Boromir88]

Actually, Boro, are you serious with these or not?~Greenie

Nope. I like having fun, I'm demented. Rune didn't say anything about it, I doubt he felt the need to. Well I'm not going to speak for him, it was nothing purposeful on my part.

Honestly, this ploy stuff is getting on my nerves. I don't like a situation where a few players can basically turn away every suspicion concerning their weird behaviour saying "Oh, that was a ploy, but of course you are too silly to understand advanced WW-playing. *sigh*"~Greenie

I believe I told you yesterday I want you to question what everyone does, that's a good thing. I love using questions .

What I'm telling you, is everything I'm attempting is for the sake of anyone innocent, if you believe me, I love you. If you don't that's your own choice, have the spine to send me to the gallows and live with the decision when you're proven wrong.

The whole business of choosing reps seems to have been forgotten in all this phantom-Boro-mess...

I'm more than willing to do so, I'm glad to see morm's and you have the right idea.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by morm

FYI...they are doing some hardwood flooring work in our house so I will be displaced tomorrow and a few days this coming week. Internet access may be a bit more limited, I'm not sure if I will have access where we plan to stay.

Thanks to Sally, I only just realised this... I'm not sure I'll vote him for my rep after all, if he's not sure how much he can participate. (And yes, I can well commiserate with that... we'll be having some guys "fix up" our bathroom soonish - thanks to which the apartment smells of sewers and there's some nerve-wrecking noise going on during day-time. I hate it already though they haven't even started at our place yet...)

Originally Posted by phantom

Green- you asked a question that I think needed to be asked at this point. I'm preparing an answer.

A pleasant surprise. I'm looking forward to that.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom, Nog and Boro

[the phantom]

That's a great break-down, Nog.

If I'm remembering correctly, ever since my idea to get Gil killed was shot down, I was looking for an opportunity to shoot someone else up into the lynch spot. And I believe I already had Agan in mind, for I had her listed as my most innocent person on the list I made well before Boro ever made his comment.

Additionally, I had in the back of my mind that I wanted both myself, you, and Boro to survive to the next day (that was the reason behind my Boro-Nog war comment). Thus when I saw Boro's PS, a door opened to both set up Agan for the kill and say something threatening to Boro (making it more likely that the two of us would survive the Night).

And then later I once again threaten to start a loudmouth war between the two of you (once again, trying to keep the two of you safe during the Night).

So, that is the chess match from my vantage point. Does that help at all?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I hate that I have to leave now (I will be gone in 10-20 min) when things are interesting, but I do. I will be gone a few hours, but I should be home long before deadline.

I don't know who to vote for. . . Kath, Mormegil or maybe Phantom
I have no candidate I feel really good about and I can think of reasons why not to vote for any of these, but they are still the people I would feel best about voting for.

EDIT: Cross posted with The Phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I hate that I have to leave now (I will be gone in 10-20 min) when things are interesting, but I do. I will be gone a few hours, but I should be home long before deadline.

I don't know who to vote for. . . Kath, Mormegil or maybe Phantom
I have no candidate I feel really good about and I can think of reasons why not to vote for any of these, but they are still the people I would feel best about voting for.

EDIT: Cross posted with The Phantom

Not to discredit Morm or try to sway your vote too much, but he said he may not be here much the rest of today. Perhaps you should go for one of your other choices.



I'll probably do the same thing. I trust Morm (at least to a point) but if he's busy I don't want him to have to dash around finding internet connections or, worse yet, not be able to post.

[Boromir88]

Maybe tp got the idea from Boro's hasty PS. and Boro followed suit? If that is the case I'm really astonished and admiring your teamwork.~Nogrod

We do work well together, which I think might be getting under some people's (i.e. wolves skin )

But anyway I don't know who the mastermind was...I noticed tp tried earlier with Gil, that was blown up, and so I tried someone else. I actually didn't know tp was playing along until the "reading assignment" post I thought he was serious in starting a Nogrod/Boro war, if Agan was killed.

Look, I'm not trying to get innocents lynched, far from it, I would have filibustered if Agan was in trouble (seriously). But, I do want to keep the wolves off the seer for as long as possible, and that means giving wolves ordos to go after. Maybe they went after Agan because they really thought she was the seer, I don't know, but to me the plan worked, and it's a big gorilla off my back to see tp caught on and added his own part.

Honestly, this may probably make me look more suspicious, I really don't care...but if I was a wolf and believed Agan was the seer, why would I set her up for a wolf kill? Why not just quietly take her out at night, because she trusted me and voted for me as a rep even?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

On one hand the WWs desperately want me dead. On the other hand, it is possible that to be killed is exactly what I want, so they are equally compelled not to use the kill on me.

I disagree with you here. If you were innocent and I were wolf (oh how I love to write those two magical words in a row...), I would definitely want to keep you alive because, as you can see, the discussion revolves pretty much around you. There is bound to be at least one wolf who is slipping by very nicely as we are debating this, regardless of whether you are innocent or not. Get my point?


EDIT: x-ed with Runey, Sally and Boro

[mormegil]

Greenie, I understand your reservations, however if I am voted as a rep, I'm willing, if needs be to take my laptop and sit in my car in the driveway while I use my wireless network if necessary. I wouldn't mind being a rep and I believe I will have access but I wanted to make sure everybody is aware that at the end of this DAY it may be a bit more difficult.

Where is Kath and Ka today???

[the phantom]

Ah, I see Rune. I wasn't attempting to come across as "offended". I assure you I was expecting some stuff like this to happen, so I wasn't outright offended. Partly amused, partly surprised that so many seemed to be thinking that way, and rather shocked that aspects of it had not already been challenged by others.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Greenie, I understand your reservations, however if I am voted as a rep, I'm willing, if needs be to take my laptop and sit in my car in the driveway while I use my wireless network if necessary. I wouldn't mind being a rep and I believe I will have access but I wanted to make sure everybody is aware that at the end of this DAY it may be a bit more difficult.

Where is Kath and Ka today???

Wait. The end of today or toDay? I think I misunderstood your post.


Heh and that's why I was considering not voting you. Don't know about where you're at, but it's cold here and I'd feel bad if you did have to do that. Not that I don't think you'd be willing to do it, I'd just feel rather sorry for you. Hehe.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

I disagree with you here. If you were innocent and I were wolf, I would definitely want to keep you alive...

Really? Even if you thought I was maybe the Seer? That sounds like suicide to me.

And even if you'd want to keep me alive despite that, I doubt your packmates would agree with you.

[the phantom]

Vote for me, Sally, or I will make like a "squid in a pepper shaker" and exterminate you!



EDIT: She tried to give me a crash course in Dr. Who yesterday. Don't ask.