Geography Grilling - Page 22 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil-Galad · 04-13-2005, 05:27 PM

not at all, close though...think behind helms deep

Lindolirian · 04-13-2005, 05:33 PM

I thought the stream in Aglarond would be the same as the one that flows out of Helm's Deep, but if that's not it, I believe you have me.

Gil-Galad · 04-13-2005, 07:35 PM

oh wow thats a first...its actually really easy...

The Elf-warrior · 04-13-2005, 08:00 PM

Is it the Deeping-stream?

Firefoot · 04-13-2005, 08:06 PM

But the Deeping-stream is the same river Lindo's been talking about.

(But, I don't think there are any other rivers that fit the criteria.)

Gil-Galad · 04-14-2005, 07:34 AM

as i said: behind Helms Deep

Firefoot · 05-02-2005, 04:28 PM

Another hint, maybe?

Gil-Galad · 05-02-2005, 04:35 PM

its a river in West Rohan

Firefoot · 05-02-2005, 07:10 PM

The only other river in Rohan I can find is the Adorn - but it's not really behind Helm's Deep or east of the Isen... it's more south of it.

piosenniel · 05-04-2005, 11:53 AM

Are you speaking of The Deeping Stream?

Iaurhirwen · 05-05-2005, 01:07 PM

Is it the Swanfleet?

Gil-Galad · 05-05-2005, 08:22 PM

it is the swanfleet! good job!

Firefoot · 05-05-2005, 08:34 PM

Gil-Galad, I'm a little confused. What did you mean when you gave a hint that it was behind Helm's Deep? And it flows into the Greyflood; how is it closer to the Isen than the others?

piosenniel · 05-06-2005, 01:59 AM

Sorry - but you are wrong in thinking the Swanfleet is a river in West Rohan, or in Rohan, at all. Neither is it east of the Isen - it's west of the Isen's source and north of the Isen itself as it flows to the sea.

Swanfleet is the name given to the River Glanduin where it flows through the fens just northeast of Tharbad. The Sirannon (Gate Stream) that flowed from Khazad-dum was a tributary of the Glanduin.

Eregion bordered these two rivers on the north, and Dunland bordered them on the south.

They do not flow in Rohan.

The Deeping Stream, on the other hand, ran around the base of Helm's Deep on the south and east sides:

Quote:

The stream that rose in the gorge of the White Mountains known as Helm's Deep. It flowed through a culvert in the wall that guarded that refuge of the Rohirrim, and then around the feet of the rock where the Hornburg stood, before beginning its journey into the wide lands of Rohan.

-- Encyclopedia of Arda

You can also investigate the Rohan rivers by looking at The Atlas of Middle-earth; pg: 88 - 89. And the Deeping Stream in the same Atlas, pg. 132 - 133.

HERE is a map you can use to look at the locations of the various rivers. You can click on it to enlarge it.

~*~ Pio

Iaurhirwen · 05-06-2005, 06:36 AM

I think I may have found the misconception. The map that pio has just given us the link to and the map I consulted myself have different names for the same river. My map, one of those bookmarks that fold out into a map that were released by New Line, gives the name of swanfleet for the river. While the map that pio has just linked for us has given the name of Adorn for the same river. The map in ROTK also has the name of Adorn for the river.

Either the map that I, and apparantly Gil-Galad consulted are incorrect, or this is another reason which I am to tired to think of now.

I believe that the person who initially answered Adorn should go next, owing to the fact that we were talking about the same river.

Gil-Galad · 05-06-2005, 08:35 AM

hmm....strange...after i looked at the map in my ROTk, it is indeed the Adorn, but my big wall map of middle earth says it was the Swanfleet(i was using that map), so anyways it is the Adorn! whoever said Adorn can go next!

*Again somebody has given me a bad rep for no reason at all!!! i'm getting sick and tired of this...*

Firefoot · 05-06-2005, 02:14 PM

I guess that's me.

List four locations where a red sun was seen in LotR.

Firefoot · 05-24-2005, 04:35 PM

Anyone? How about three locations?

Gil-Galad · 05-24-2005, 04:37 PM

Rohan...Minas Tirith...and...umm...Fangorn?

Firefoot · 05-25-2005, 02:19 PM

Rohan - good.
Minas Tirith and Fangorn - if you can give me a quote I'll give it to you, but neither of those were places I had in mind.

Firefoot · 06-11-2005, 08:44 PM

I recently found the Minas Tirith reference, coincidentally, so only one more location would be needed...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-15-2005, 01:15 AM

Rohan, Minas Tirith, and the Crossroads.

Firefoot · 06-17-2005, 09:53 PM

That'll do!

Other places I had were Mordor and the Barrow-downs.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-18-2005, 05:27 AM

Where is Sauron's Isle by the end of the Third Age?

Firefoot · 06-18-2005, 06:37 AM

Long-since drowned by the Great Sea in the War of Wrath.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-18-2005, 06:49 AM

Your thread.

Firefoot · 06-18-2005, 02:26 PM

Where was the Land of Bow and Helm?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-19-2005, 07:22 AM

It's south of the Forest of Brethil, west of Doriath, east of Narog, and north of Nargothrond.

Firefoot · 06-19-2005, 07:55 AM

Perfecto.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-31-2005, 08:15 AM

Name the region in Aman south of the Bay of Eldamar.

Alcarillo · 07-31-2005, 01:11 PM

Avathar.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-01-2005, 03:45 AM

Take it.

Alcarillo · 08-01-2005, 08:53 PM

Name three Middle-earth mountain ranges named for colors.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-02-2005, 03:13 AM

The Blue Mountains, the Grey Mountains, and the White Mountains.

Alcarillo · 08-02-2005, 02:35 PM

Yep. Your turn.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-03-2005, 12:38 AM

In which mountain range does Rerir belong to?

Gil-Galad · 08-03-2005, 08:44 AM

Ered Luin does it not?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-03-2005, 06:41 PM

Your thread.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-07-2005, 08:40 PM

Gil-galad?

Joy · 08-12-2005, 09:59 PM

To bring this back up, what is Soronumë?

04-13-2005, 05:27 PM	#841
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	not at all, close though...think behind helms deep __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

04-13-2005, 05:33 PM	#842
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	I thought the stream in Aglarond would be the same as the one that flows out of Helm's Deep, but if that's not it, I believe you have me. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-13-2005, 07:35 PM	#843
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	oh wow thats a first...its actually really easy... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

04-13-2005, 08:00 PM	#844
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	Is it the Deeping-stream? __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

04-14-2005, 07:34 AM	#846
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	as i said: behind Helms Deep __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

04-13-2005, 08:06 PM	#845
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	But the Deeping-stream is the same river Lindo's been talking about. (But, I don't think there are any other rivers that fit the criteria.)

05-02-2005, 04:28 PM	#847
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Another hint, maybe?

05-02-2005, 04:35 PM	#848
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	its a river in West Rohan __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

05-02-2005, 07:10 PM	#849
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	The only other river in Rohan I can find is the Adorn - but it's not really behind Helm's Deep or east of the Isen... it's more south of it.

05-04-2005, 11:53 AM	#850
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Are you speaking of The Deeping Stream? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-05-2005, 01:07 PM	#851
Iaurhirwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the theatre!!SHOWTIME!!!! Posts: 217	Is it the Swanfleet? __________________ "Will somebody find my pants?" - "What do you do with a drunkin sailor?" - "You have a giant mole!!!!" - "Tom!! Get out of the Girls's dressing room!" "But she asked me to help find her pants!!" - - - opening night chaos

05-05-2005, 08:22 PM	#852
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	it is the swanfleet! good job! __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

05-05-2005, 08:34 PM	#853
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Gil-Galad, I'm a little confused. What did you mean when you gave a hint that it was behind Helm's Deep? And it flows into the Greyflood; how is it closer to the Isen than the others?

05-06-2005, 06:36 AM	#855
Iaurhirwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the theatre!!SHOWTIME!!!! Posts: 217	I think I may have found the misconception. The map that pio has just given us the link to and the map I consulted myself have different names for the same river. My map, one of those bookmarks that fold out into a map that were released by New Line, gives the name of swanfleet for the river. While the map that pio has just linked for us has given the name of Adorn for the same river. The map in ROTK also has the name of Adorn for the river. Either the map that I, and apparantly Gil-Galad consulted are incorrect, or this is another reason which I am to tired to think of now. I believe that the person who initially answered Adorn should go next, owing to the fact that we were talking about the same river. __________________ "Will somebody find my pants?" - "What do you do with a drunkin sailor?" - "You have a giant mole!!!!" - "Tom!! Get out of the Girls's dressing room!" "But she asked me to help find her pants!!" - - - opening night chaos

05-06-2005, 08:35 AM	#856
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	hmm....strange...after i looked at the map in my ROTk, it is indeed the Adorn, but my big wall map of middle earth says it was the Swanfleet(i was using that map), so anyways it is the Adorn! whoever said Adorn can go next! Again somebody has given me a bad rep for no reason at all!!! i'm getting sick and tired of this... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed. Last edited by Gil-Galad; 05-06-2005 at 03:59 PM.

05-06-2005, 02:14 PM	#857
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I guess that's me. List four locations where a red sun was seen in LotR.

05-24-2005, 04:35 PM	#858
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Anyone? How about three locations?

05-24-2005, 04:37 PM	#859
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Rohan...Minas Tirith...and...umm...Fangorn? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

05-25-2005, 02:19 PM	#860
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Rohan - good. Minas Tirith and Fangorn - if you can give me a quote I'll give it to you, but neither of those were places I had in mind.

06-11-2005, 08:44 PM	#861
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I recently found the Minas Tirith reference, coincidentally, so only one more location would be needed...

06-15-2005, 01:15 AM	#862
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Haha! Rohan, Minas Tirith, and the Crossroads. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-17-2005, 09:53 PM	#863
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	That'll do! Other places I had were Mordor and the Barrow-downs.

06-18-2005, 05:27 AM	#864
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Thanks! Where is Sauron's Isle by the end of the Third Age? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-18-2005, 06:37 AM	#865
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Long-since drowned by the Great Sea in the War of Wrath.

06-18-2005, 06:49 AM	#866
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Of course. Your thread. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-18-2005, 02:26 PM	#867
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Where was the Land of Bow and Helm?

06-19-2005, 07:22 AM	#868
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Dor Cúarthol. It's south of the Forest of Brethil, west of Doriath, east of Narog, and north of Nargothrond. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

06-19-2005, 07:55 AM	#869
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Perfecto.

07-31-2005, 08:15 AM	#870
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Sorry about this. Name the region in Aman south of the Bay of Eldamar. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-31-2005, 01:11 PM	#871
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Avathar.

08-01-2005, 03:45 AM	#872
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	That's it. Take it. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-01-2005, 08:53 PM	#873
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Name three Middle-earth mountain ranges named for colors.

08-02-2005, 03:13 AM	#874
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	The Blue Mountains, the Grey Mountains, and the White Mountains. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-02-2005, 02:35 PM	#875
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	Yep. Your turn.

08-03-2005, 12:38 AM	#876
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Thanks! In which mountain range does Rerir belong to? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...