Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Is that something our esteemed mod can answer? Kuru, in the event that the last remaining wolf on a team is killed themselves at night, would their kill go through or not? (Of course feel free not to answer if that's something we shouldn't know.)

All NIGHT events are assumed to happen.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

All NIGHT events are assumed to happen.

In which case McCaber's version of events is the correct one, so... here's hoping Form was both a wolf and the last of his pack.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, the scratching has ceased. Perhaps the gift only works until Boro eliminates the last member of a wolf pack or something? Just throwing out random ideas.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, the scratching has ceased. Perhaps the gift only works until Boro eliminates the last member of a wolf pack or something? Just throwing out random ideas.

He's killed three wolves by himself. Maybe he only had three hunting attempts?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I missed you, my love.

Anyway, I don't have long to live, but if we do this right, we don't have long to play, in any case. Here's what I've gathered from the Dead:

Innocent Dead

• Greenie
• Legate
• Agan
• Firefoot
• Nerwen
• Nogrod
• Eomer
• Lommy

Innocent Alive (for now)

• Sally <3
• Nilp
• Shasta

Dead Wolves

• Loslote
• Macalaure
• Lalaith
• Formendacil
• mormegil

Living Wolves

• ???

Unknown Dead

• Rikae - was scried last NIGHT, but I, ah, missed the announcement.

In any case, since there were three NIGHT kills, and we're still playing despite Form's Death, there's still a Wolf among:

Unknown Alive (in order of perceived innocence)

• Kath
• Mithalwen
• McCaber

morm confessed to have noticed that I was a Lover and was hoping to kill my precious next, so which means our plan left a lot of visible clues, clues that someone who couldn't pay full attention to the game wouldn't notice. That leads to Kath (sorry, dear.)

I trust McCaber's claim that he noticed that Sally was playing a waiting game, so I'm inclined to trust his innocence the most.

Since Borobear hasn't been confirmed by our Seer, and just for the sake of complete information, I would like to ask the Dead to give us Rikae's alignment.

If Rikae is innocent, give your vote to Shasta, Mithalwen or McCaber.

If Rikae, by some chance, is a wolf, give your vote to Sally, Nilp, or Kath.

Thoughts, village?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

For some reason, I missed Boro in my list (sorry mate), but if we miss a Wolf toDAY and there's still two NIGHT kills (like, if his alignment flips once one of the Packs have been eliminated), you know what to do, anyway. (Or at least I bloody well hope you do.)

That reminds me, the Dead thread (especially the Europeans) wish to send the Living this message:



You've been lax and have let Wolves/distracted Gifteds prepare the vote list plan thing, leading not only to a failure to transfer information on the DAY of my death, but also (and more importantly) to the bungling up of what would've been the most epic thing of all time (if I do say so myself.)

As for what it is... you'll have to wait to find out.

[satansaloser2005]

As an aside, a message for the wolves.

[satansaloser2005]

I'd be up for trying the tie vote toDay. We can tie the vote between two of our unknowns (or, if we think we can manage it, three) and let the dead decide who to lynch. Everyone would have to be in on it though, and we should decide such a thing somewhat early in the Day. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject.

In any case....

Clearly off the table
My beloved
Myself
My psychic wolf boy
My prince

Contendors for toDay (in marginal order of preference)
Mith
Kath
McCaber

[McCaber]

I think a self-vote scheme could work well. There's a lot of heavy hitters in the dead thread, and hopefully they'll have enough extra information put together to give us a wolf.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm on-topic, I swear! *pleads to the sky*

Probably the previous DAYs' votings might be more useful now.

(Known innocents in italics, known baddies in underline. Other than that, no time to make it look fancy. Again, apologies to the fans of my formatting skills--whoever you are.)

DAY 1

Nilp -> Nilp
Rune -> Form
morm -> Mac
Lalaith -> Legate
Kath -> Form 2
Aganzir -> Lommy
Lommy -> Aganzir
Legate -> Greenie
Nogrod -> Agan 2
Form -> Form 3
Mith -> Agan 3
McCaber -> Agan 4
Firefoot -> Gwath
Boro -> Nog
Rikae -> Lommy 2
Mac -> Agan 5
TP -> Nog 2
Lottie -> Nog 3
Eomer -> Nog 4
Shasta -> Nog 5
Sally -> Nog 6

Formendawolf put himself temporarily in the lead, with four unknown yet to vote. Both living unknown (Mith and McCaber) put Agan in the lead before the Nogawagon steamed ahead.

Also, if Kath is a Wolf, I think Form is not one of her Packmates.

DAY 2

Lottie -> morm
Nerwen -> Mac
Greenie -> Aganzir
Lalaith -> Agan 2
Lommy -> Agan 3
Legate -> Greenie
McCaber -> Agan 4
morm -> Mac
Agan -> Greenie 2
Mac -> Agan 5
Firefoot -> Mac 3
Nilp -> Agan 6
Mith -> Rikae
Rikae -> Greenie 3
Eomer -> Agan 7
Boro -> Agan 8
Shasta -> Lottie

McCaber joined the bandwAgan (*ducks tomatoes*) while Mum cast a jesting (?) vote for unknown Rikae.

Btw, Mac and Lottie confessed to being Packmates, and morm is looking like someone from the opposing Pack. Evidence from DAY 4 (see below) also seems to point to Tweedlemorm and TweedleForm (TM Aganzir) not being Packmates, which means Mac/Lottie/Form are the members of the Grip Pack, leaving morm/Lalaith/unknown as the opposing Fang Pack.

DAY 3

Everyone -> Lottie
Lottie -> Firefoot

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DAY 4

Kath -> Form
Lommy -> McCaber
Eomer -> Nilp 1
Shasta -> Nilp 2
Nilp -> Nilp 3 (If these were chess moves, double exclamation marks would be here.)
Form -> morm
Boro -> Form 2
morm -> Nilp 4
Sally -> Nilp 5 (I will cherish you forever. <3)
Nerwen -> Nilp 6

This is where the Tweedlemorm/Form duelling dynamic came to fore. Also, this is twice that Kath voted for Formendawolf. Also also, I didn't get to ask Lommy where she got 'kawaii' from (Legate said it wasn't him.)

DAY 5

Kath -> morm
Lommy -> morm 2
Eomer -> morm 3
morm -> Kath
Shasta -> morm 4
Sally -> morm 5
McCaber -> Form
Boro -> morm 6
Form -> Form 2

Kath voted for mormwolf this time, and my mother cast no vote (did she even post?) Anyway, how clear was the writing on the wall for morm? I am dense and wondering if a Packmate-on-Packmate vote could've been planned the NIGHT before.

CONCLUSION

My mum is starting to look somewhat suspicious (sorry! ) and Kath has either gained Shasta-like psychic powers (voting for Wolves all the time) or has another source of special knowledge (wink, wink). McCaber looks squeaky clean and Boro is cute and fuzzy.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mummie has indeed posted yesterDAY (even quoted some of her statements on the Dead thread as proof of kinship.) I am a very bad boy and should be punished.

But she didn't voted yesterDAY nor the DAY before.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I just realised that, in my second gif, I'm the one holding the fan for the hitter. Which clearly means I am best girl.

Will be off to do various holiday activities (mainly swimming to avoid the 40-degree weather), so I might be away for a while. </EndTriplePost>

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nice work, Nilp.

Now then, we know that one of Mith, Kath, and McCaber is a wolf. With McCaber having aided and abetted Sally yesterday and Mith seeming almost disinterested, I personally agree with Nilp that Kath is probably our best option today (if not Boro. ) That's likely where I'll be voting.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also, Nilp, you left Phanty McPhanterson off your big ol' list. I'm assuming he was innocent, but I can hear the screams from the dead thread that he wasn't given his due attention.

(Sorry, phantom, I had to do it once this game!)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

...I just forgot. (Which is probably worse.)

Yeah, Philip McPhantompants is innocent. One of the first dreams (along with you, Shasta--feel honoured and flattered.)

[McCaber]

And (for completeness' sake) Boro got left off of both Innocent Alive and Unknown Alive.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am prepared to self vote. I certainly need to vote earlier since I am clearly incapable of staying awake. However I am as certain as I can be that McCaber is the last wolf. Kath's instant readiness to agree to it speaks volumes to me. An innocent suspect in our situation would jump at it.

If Sally wants to kill me because I am not impressed over attention seeking behaviour well then up to her.

Tell you what,I could make this easy. If I don't vote today, I get mod killed. You don't waste a lynch on an innocent but you all get rid of me as a distraction. But deal is vote Mc Caber.

Still leaves you with the Boromir issue but heigh ho

Deal or no Deal?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I also left Rune out of the old one (again, sorry!) so here it is again, along with how the information (if any) has been obtained.

Innocent Dead

• Greenie (scried)
• Legate (scried)
• Nogrod (scried; ERRATUM: dreamt)
• Agan (Hunter)
• Nerwen (Seer)
• phantom (dreamt)
• Eomer (dreamt)
• Lommy (dreamt)
• Firefoot (dreamt)

Innocent Alive (for now)

• Sally (<3)
• Nilp
• Shasta (dreamt)
• Boro (bear-like terminator person?)

Dead Wolves

• Loslote (dreamt)
• Macalaure (dreamt)
• Lalaith (scried)
• Formendacil (dreamt)
• mormegil (dreamt)

Living Wolves

• ???

Unknown Dead

• Rikae (scried; I am incompetent)
• Rune

Unknown Alive

• Kath
• Mith
• McCaber

Unknown Dwarf

• Kuruharan (cake)

EDITED: See ERRATUM.

[Mithalwen]

Actually I am not so keen on self voting now - I did so on the basis that the dead knew more than the living. Now we know as much as the dead apart from that they are going to have the now obvious fact of Rikae's innocence confirmed.

I have all the common information plus the certainty of my own role.


I would be astonished if the remaining wolf were Kath but I know it ain't me

Which leave McCaber.


And Boromir of course but I am a noted arctophile so he can wait as far as I am concerned til we know if action is necessary.

[Mithalwen]

I didn't not vote intentionally Nilp. How you any idea how hard it is to stay awake until 3 am? At least when you aren't at a fabulous party ... and I don't have an alarm since my tablet died.. nothing happens for hours and then If you vote and give up you find out it has all gone bananas in the last 10 minutes. Look at the situation. Last night there were four candidates since Mc Caber had been given the free pass. Two now known stateside wolves me and Kath. No telling if the wolf 0 since it wasn't obvious yesterday there were 2, would go for me to save themselves.

Look at what I have posted today. Think and make your own mind up.

Just if there is going to be an arrangement I really would like a decent night's sleep. I do have other things going on in my life and being a zombie doesn't help. So sooner rather than later.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by McCaber

I think a self-vote scheme could work well. There's a lot of heavy hitters in the dead thread, and hopefully they'll have enough extra information put together to give us a wolf.

The only extra information now that could be helpful is in the paws of the pack who have a surviving compadre. That won't be used in to the greater good.

The dead overall may have better judgement but about a third of them are now wolves that could affect the balance of power.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So Mum's willing to be modfired in exchanged for lynching McCaber...

1. Moddwarf Kuru, will she be modfired toDAY (despite posting) if she doesn't vote?
2. McCaber, are you willing to go along with this? It seems a bum deal to have you help Sally stay alive only to throw you under the bus, but... on the bright side, the Dead thread is the real party. So you get to join them sooner.

So if this plan goes through, only Kath will be left of the unknown by the next DAY, which means if you're still playing then, you all know what to do.

If Mum votes last minute to save herself (highly unlikely, but I must consider all eventualities), y'all can just go after her the next DAY.

I'll be off in a few minutes, so this really is it from me for now.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Mith's thinking the same way I am (re the Dead's information and balance of power) and has been helpful to the village (suggesting a focus on the Living instead of the Dead for the information transfer plan), so I am inclined to think her innocent.

McCaber may have helped saved Sally, leading to my return, so I am also inclined to think him innocent.

Mum, why are you so keen to think Kath is innocent? I have

a) evidence from voting (She has been too keen/has voted Form twice.); and
b) evidence from Sally's survival/my return (A lot of people noticed that I am a Lover, and yet the Wolves didn't go after Sally. Only someone who couldn't pay much attention to the thread would miss the clues.)

Yes I know she's expressed interest in self-voting, but Form (known Wolf) has self-voted, so that alone doesn't say much.

[Mithalwen]

I said. It is because her reaction to my plan was that of an innocent eager to clear herself than a wolf interested in self preservation. Given that her absence made her a reasonable choice for a seer dream. Balance of probabilities ordo.. also that mad flurry of post seemed a bit conspicuous.


But I can't prove it. I can't prove I am innocent. But that is what seems overwhelmingly likely.

Lovely to have you back for a bit son but the antics were quite obvious and so McCaber's pseudo-helpful feint just seems opportunistic.

[Mithalwen]

But Form self voted when morm was already well in the lead and was not in the "hands of the dead" situation proposed.

[Mithalwen]

https://youtu.be/YawagQ6lLrA

[Boromir88]

Agree with Mith on the self voting. With 5 dead wolves (3 by my hand thank you very much), the innocent dead could have trouble overcoming a united dead wolves and wind up lynching a known innocent (Shasta or sally).

You can lynch me today and insure you get rid of a ruthless killer, to leave yourself with 3 unknowns (1 wolf) and 2 known innocents. In which case you can still get the job done and win it. However a lone wolf can survive that scenario.

Or you can put your trust in me again tonight. That is to say...we lynch one of the unknowns, I kill one tonight. Leaving 1 unknown. If that unknown is still the last wolf, there's still the chance to lynch the next day (or lynch me if you think the wolf has been killed and the game is still not over). Because with the 3 deaths yesterday it's clear there's still 1 wolf amongst Mith, Kath, and McCaber

[Boromir88]

The only reason I'm not dead yet, is because the lone wolf probably accurately judges they can get me lynched if they paint me as the only big bad evil left and to lynch me (which well, might expose the last wolf ).

But if my motivations are questionable, at least my actions and accomplishments, can buy me some gratitude and hopefully a stay of execution...right? I stuck to my word of following the dead's signal about FormWolf. I could have taken that information and said "you know what, forget it, I've killed enough wolves for these people already. They're on their own now."

[Mithalwen]

Thinking about the "outs". And what I should do.

We are only going to get opinion from the dead from now on. As a source of factual information that well is dry. Even if the Ranger was killed last night his or her return tomorrow can only tell us about the dead. Only the dead wolves know more and thy aren't likely to tell.

It all hangs on Boro really. and now I see he has posted .

[Boromir88]

Or I have another proposal.

Ok so

Known living Innocents

Shasta
sally

Known questionable agenda

Boro

Unknown - 2 ordos 1 Wolf

Mith
Kath
McCaber

Lynch 1 unknown today. I kill one. Wolf targets Shasta or sally, and successfully kills one. Leaving Shasta/Sally, me, and 1 unknown the next day. We all self-vote and then let the dead decide who they want to empower. Now what could be a greater end to this anniversary reunion than that? Am I right?

[Mithalwen]

I don't think the village has the luxury of lynching Boro on spec. The wolf is only going to pick off known ordos rather than fellow suspects and you can't rely on the ranger picking the right one even if still alive. And you can't deny Boro has been most successful. Couldn't really have been more helpful.. if you want to kill him before you know it is necessary, when there is still a wolf there well you probably deserve to be eaten aux petits oignons...

[Mithalwen]

Save that it is going to be obvious if it gets to that point that the surviving unknown is a wolf.

Anyway there doesn't seem any really good reason not to follow my heart and vote Mc Caber. Don't have to give Kuru a decision about a vote if Boro can kill me anyway.

Why not tie it up now and score one for the Europeans.

Boro... if I vote Mc Caber, Kath pretty much has to for self preservation. If you did too it fits with your plan. If I am right and you are honest game over.. if not then well you are welcome to kill me tonight.

Worst case it would be a tie if all the others voted for me or Kath and the dead could decide or not.

Wh

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Why not tie it up now and score one for the Europeans.

Boro... if I vote Mc Caber, Kath pretty much has to for self preservation. If you did too it fits with your plan. If I am right and you are honest game over.. if not then well you are welcome to kill me tonight.

Ok, so you're saying if we both vote for McCaber, that would force Kath too for self-preservation? It would also force McCaber to vote for self preservation. Makes sense.

I'll be leaving for the rest of the day in approximately 3 hours. That seems like it would be the best option for me. I'll ponder it some more, and as I said, my vote has to come within the next 3 hours. So, that will give the living plenty of time to decide what they want to do with me. They've heard my offer.

[Mithalwen]

I really don't have anything to lose since between lynching, modfire and your fangs most options are fraught with peril. And I think I am right

Gives the Dead time to choose.

++McCaber

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Moddwarf Kuru, will she be modfired toDAY (despite posting) if she doesn't vote?

Yes, but she's voted now so it isn't an issue.

[Boromir88]

Consider the offer I've made today. If you want to see this thing home by finding the final wolf on your own so be it. I personally think what a fantastic return it will be go with this:

Lynch 1 unknown today. I kill one. Wolf targets Shasta or sally, and successfully kills one. Leaving Shasta/Sally, me, and 1 unknown the next day. We all self-vote and then let the dead decide who they want to empower. Now what could be a greater end to this anniversary reunion than that? Am I right?

And actually if it's the wolf we lynch today than there will only be my kill for one of the other unknowns, and it's all over. If not than I think what a great end it will be to tie the votes on the final day and let the dead decide.

++McCaber

I'm out. It's all on you (Shasta, sally, Nilp) to decide.

Edit: changing vote to highlight

[Mithalwen]

Thanks Boromir.

[McCaber]

Mith, these last few posts really sound like a wolf scrabbling for any extra time they can get. I've been suspicious of you for quite some time, and you don't make yourself look any better toDay.

++Mithalwen

[Kath]

... I thought we were self-voting?!

I am going to the cinema so will be back in a few hours to catch up and vote.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Kath

... I thought we were self-voting?!

We were, but as Mith voted for me I had to respond in kind.