Password

[Urwen]

I am left with Peter Vaughan, Peter Woodthorpe, Patrick Barr and Kathryn Hurlbutt....


And out of them, Peter Vaughan fits best.

[Pervinca Took]

Peter Vaughan was Denethor.

Peter Howell was Saruman.

I think Kathryn Hurlbutt was Rose.

I can't remember who Patrick Barr was, but he isn't the answer either.

None of those characters are known for being sibilant.

[Pervinca Took]

MICHAEL HORDERN (Gandalf): The first – an archangel – who’s guarding a vase?
IAN HOLM (Frodo): The second – spends more than an age at his house?
CHRISTOPHER FAIRBANK (Shagrat): The third graced our screens in ‘Auf Wiedersehen, Pet!’
ROBERT STEPHENS (Aragorn): The fourth was a Prince on a Veronese set.
OZ CLARKE (Singer): The fifth, though no hobbit, loves victuals and drink,
PAULINE LETTS (Ioreth): The sixth – Walford matriarch allows us – I think!
HUGH DICKSON (Elrond): The seventh played quack to Ross Poldark’s old flame -
JOHN MCANDREW (Pippin): The eighth, (flag the second), definitive Thain! *
LEONARD FENTON (Daddy Twofoot): The ninth, (flag the fourth), a Walfordian quack -
ELIN JENKINS (Eowyn): The tenth – Tucker’s sister? (Once a river flows back).
STEPHEN OLIVER (Music): In eleven, a saint meets a foundling most poor -

WILLIAM NIGHY (Sam): In twelve, it seems Shakespeare’s nearby, but wherefore? **
ANDREW SEEAR (Faramir): Thirteen is a saint, and a visionary too, **

MARION DIAMOND (Galadriel): Fourteen is a maid, and a gemstone most true.
SIMON CADELL (Celeborn): Fifteen: Eighties game, plus a bounder and measure, **
DAVID COLLINGS (Legolas): Sixteen plays the son of an elf who loves treasure.
DOUGLAS LIVINGSTONE (Gimli): For seventeen, no spade? Petrified, but not dead!
JENNY LEE (Shelob): Eighteen, (flag the sixth), Attercop! Poison-head!
ELIZABETH PARKER (Radiophonic Sound): The nineteenth, twice queenly, a pen or car-stopper?
-
GERARD MURPHY (Narrator): With twenty as glue, the tale won’t come a cropper! **
ANTHONY HYDE (Eomer): Twenty-one is no Jekyll. On horseback he jogs,
RICHARD O'CALLAGHAN (Merry): Twenty-two steers a barge, or plays fair Lewis Boggs!
PETER WOODTHORPE (Gollum): This sibilant genius is our twenty-three - ***
HARRY HOLM (Elanor): Two dozen! - a Potter, and Old English sea!

The whole means a drama, of quality rare,
Where thesps and their ilk show considerable flair!
I left out the ‘sounds likes’ to make it flow better,
So - enjoy the clues! (From Pervinca, your setter).

( * Well, future Thain).
(** Flag the second).
(*** Flag the third).

THEME: THE BBC 'LORD OF THE RINGS' RADIO DRAMATISATION.

But Gollum is.

I didn't see the late, great Peter Woodthorpe in your list at first.

Well done! Over to you.

[Urwen]

Well, I wanted to do this theme for a long time, but only the recent discovery enabled me to do it. Hope you like the password and the theme I came up with.

1. Mix a sweet treat for him.
2. A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
3. A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
4. Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
5. Twist the fish eggs for him.
6. Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, I wanted to do this theme for a long time, but only the recent discovery enabled me to do it. Hope you like the password and the theme I came up with.

Is it Morleg?



6. Gothmog? GOT + ? + G the note

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Is it Morleg?

No, Morleg is not the theme.

M
O
R
L
E
GOTHMOG

The password, on the other hand....
P.S: Don't tell Huey who Morleg is. I want to see him sweat for a while.

[Pervinca Took]

Morleg is clearly Shelob in mutated form, with even more legs. Or a cross between Shelob and that Greek Hydra thing.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Morleg is clearly Shelob in mutated form, with even more legs. Or a cross between Shelob and that Greek Hydra thing.

Wrong, Morleg is a wolf. Awoo!

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but he's more of a leg wolf than a breast wolf. (Prefers the legs of his prey/chickens to the breast meat).

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Yes, but he's more of a leg wolf than a breast wolf. (Prefers the legs of his prey/chickens to the breast meat).

Oh, you have no idea, heh. Trust me on this one. Morleg is as Morleg does, and Morleg is on fire.

Also, won't you try figuring out the rest of the clues?

[Pervinca Took]

I've tried! I'll have another look.

Seriously, though, I googled Morleg and found out what it is ... are you still keeping it from Huey?

What's frustrating is ... like all hobbits, I love my food, but I can't find a single sweet or dessert or syrup that scrambles to give a Tolkien name beginning with M.

There's MAJ from JAM, but that's rather informal for an elvish or otherwise Tolkienian monarch.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I've tried! I'll have another look.

Seriously, though, I googled Morleg and found out what it is ... are you still keeping it from Huey?

What's frustrating is ... like all hobbits, I love my food, but I can't find a single sweet or dessert or syrup that scrambles to give a Tolkien name beginning with M.

There's MAJ from JAM, but that's rather informal for an elvish or otherwise Tolkienian monarch.

No, not anymore. I decided that I will keep it from him until this morn, and now is the morn.

A little help: Morleg isn't the only discarded name is this set. There are two others. One is a scramble of 'cream' and the other is Morleg's adar.

[Pervinca Took]

I've just tried scrambling ICE cream with no Tolkienian result.

Cream? Macre? Armec?

[Urwen]

No, but your second guess is the closest.

Let me take is a step further and say that it's a discarded name of a certain title character.

[Pervinca Took]

The only *named* title characters (of the Middle-earth books, at any rate) are Turin, Beren and Luthien, I think.

I can't remember any of their discarded names, except Melilot for Luthien ... and the answer is male.

Turin seems the most likely ... wonder if he has a discarded name on top of all his others.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

The only *named* title characters (of the Middle-earth books, at any rate) are Turin, Beren and Luthien, I think.

I can't remember any of their discarded names, except Melilot for Luthien ... and the answer is male.

Turin seems the most likely ... wonder if he has a discarded name on top of all his others.

They're not the ONLY named title characters. You're too focused on Silm tales, methinks.

[Pervinca Took]

Sauron and Bilbo are referred to, but not named.

[Urwen]

If they weren't named, then how are their names known?

[Pervinca Took]

References or titles.

'The Hobbit.'

'The Lord Of The Rings.'

I suppose 'Morgoth's Ring' might prove your point. Not sure whether that is First Age or not.

[Urwen]

No. What I meant, is if they're only known by their titles, then how do we know their names are Bilbo and Sauron?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

A little help: Morleg isn't the only discarded name is this set. There are two others. One is a scramble of 'cream' and the other is Morleg's adar.

How in the world did you find an alternate name for Eol? The only one I spotted was in a very early note where he was mentioned as 'Eol (Alvar)' or something like it, which I think might actually be a form of 'Avari' instead.

I mean, I know Tolkien's gonna Tolkien, hence how the change Meglin > Maeglin somehow went through 'Morleg', but Eol seems pretty fixed.

Anyhow, a temporary police force is probably a posse, which makes #2 OSSE.

Fish eggs... can't be caviar, because no E, but could be roe. Which... well, EOR could be an old Tolkien name for someone, and from what you've said would have to have been a passing name for Eol? Sounds more like a donkey, though.

hS

[Urwen]

The same way I found Morleg: Notion club archives.

[Urwen]

marec
osse
r
l
eor
gothmog

[Pervinca Took]

Marec?

[Urwen]

marec
osse
r
l
eor
gothmog

[Urwen]

Why is rendering my password in lower caps when I typed it in all caps?

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Why is rendering my password in lower caps when I typed it in all caps?

It does that to me sometimes, although it hasn't for a while.

Was Marec nearly Sauron's name, then?

And can the clues be pasted under the password, so we don't have to scroll up for them?

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
R: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
L: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

Ah, I see. It did that because it was missing the clues.

[Huinesoron]

So I think Marec's ultimate source is MERP: Gorgoroth. The name appears three times in there, as a name for Sauron - but specifically a 'Donaen' name for him. The 'Donaen' are described as living in the foothills of the Ash Mountains (I think), and, well:

Originally Posted by MERP: Gorgoroth

Many native human tribes live in the hills. They belong to a
people known as the Donaen, a minor ethnic group in the huge Gondorian empire, descendants of the Daen Coentis that migrated westwards a long time ago.

Just how far Iron Crown varied from Tolkien's works can be seen in this quote, from a character of the Donaen:

Originally Posted by MERP: Gorgoroth

Effem dislikes the Gondorians whom he sees as foreign invaders that have come to seize the land and westernize its inhabitants. He is not particularily religious, but knows Durnu (Do. "Dark Mother"), the true ruler of his people, is more than just an abstract concept. The Dark Mother's herald, Marec, makes his home in Mordor, and the Donaen have been living on his grace since early in the Second Age. Thus, Effem supports the traditional religion, even though he tries to minimize sacrifices, since he sees them as a waste of resources.

There might be a Tolkien source for the name 'Marec', but I'm inclined to doubt it.

... that said, I've used multiple names from the apocrypha in puzzles before now, so this isn't a complaint.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

L:

LANGON, from the Chinese fruit 'longan.'

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
R: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
LANGON: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

One to go.

[Pervinca Took]

Radbug?

Guard + b.

EDIT: It's just done the 'decapitalisation' thing to me as well.

[Urwen]

MAREC: Mix a sweet treat for him.
OSSE: A temporary police force without a head reveals him.
RADBUG: A confused watcher, with a note in the middle? For him.
LANGON: Chinese tree fruit is spun for him.
EOR: Twist the fish eggs for him.
GOTHMOG: Initially, Game of Thrones. A broken unit? Note it for him.

G55 gets the turn, but can you find the theme first?

[Pervinca Took]

Villains? But is Osse a villain? Osse seems to rule out gory deaths as well.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Villains? But is Osse a villain? Osse seems to rule out gory deaths as well.

He was. He used to serve Morgoth for a while.

[Pervinca Took]

Is villains the theme, then?

[Urwen]

Yes.

[Galadriel55]

I forgot that I answered for the password. Thank you Urwen for the reminder. I am working on mine now, will post within 24 hours - else feel free to poke me again.

[Urwen]

And the riddles too.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

And the riddles too.

Ahh, shoot. I get excited about answering but then because I haven't written a puzzle for so long I forget that I have to do it. Sorry!



1. In Latin, around a short girl is half a man.
2. King Homer is off tune.
3. Ruler of protective building.
4. Like Voldemort's claim to fame, except for the good guys.
5. White lady looks in the mirror.
6. Didn't recognize #5.
7. Always tells the truth? No, that's not what it means...
8. Ram echo on Mars - with a bit of confusion all around.



This one should not be too tricksy. Enjoy!