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[Pervinca Took]

I found the Irish word CAOR, which I think is a small piece broken off a sod or turf, which is ROAC backwards.

[Pervinca Took]

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Originally Posted by Urwen

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
E: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Huinesoron]

So we miiiight be left with just one to answer:

R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him

I'm quite taken with the idea that it's a rare name that simply isn't indexed by the common sites, but... every single other character in the puzzle is. Postulating a single exception seems wrong to me.

If we are looking for something rare and weird... what were those three dwarves who showed up and bound Arda in the passage of time called? I'm sure that happened, in one of the variants of the tale of the Sun and Moon maybe?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I'm not at all confident about ROAC, Huey. It's probably still 2 clues left to solve.

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
R: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

[Urwen]

Yes to E, no to other two. Pervinca is correct in one aspect of R clue. It's RO+(something)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Yes to E, no to other two. Pervinca is correct in one aspect of R clue. It's RO+(something)

My head keeps going to ROG, aka The Most Memorable Gondolinner (), but while 'gore' could arguably mean dirt (=filth = mess), 'gor' seems just to be a seagull.

Or there's RODNOR, aka Gil-Galad, which again jumps out as being a Histories name. But 'Rondor', again, doesn't mean anything (other than I Can't Spell Gondor).

hS

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
R: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
ROG: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.


Actually, GOR does mean dirt, according to my research via Google.

[Pervinca Took]

I would have posted ROG ages ago. Just didn't think GOR was a valid synonym of dirt. Oh well.

So …

Is there a RATIN? That would give IT backwards within a confused NAR.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I would have posted ROG ages ago. Just didn't think GOR was a valid synonym of dirt. Oh well.

So …

Is there a RATIN? That would give IT backwards within a confused NAR.

Or how about RIMION, a name once used for Beren's grandfather? That would be NORI + I'M, which isn't a pronoun but is pretty close.

hS

[Urwen]

HUNDAD: He is Atilla's father.
IMRAZOR: Initially, instant messaging and a shaving supplement reveal him.
SILMARIEN: A jewel loses its end, but gains expensive network, initially, for her.
THEODEN: Briefly, a state is inside the turncloak, for him.
OLWE: German lion spins for him.
RIMION: A returning pronoun is inside a confused dwarf, for him
YLMIR: He is marbled, and confused
OROME: Confused Shakespearen lover reveals him
FEANOR: No price? Twist it for him.
MALLOR: An endless tree for him.
IVARE: Reorder a Valie for a minstrel.
DAERON: No read, but backwards, for him.
DIOR: French company shares his name.
LINDO: A Norse God finds a way, for him.
ELROS: A direction inside a bloomer, for him.
ELTAS: Note common spice in a spin, for him.
ALMIEL: Middle ear bones, in discord, reveal her.
ROG: Archaic dirt returns for him.
TELEMNAR: He is someone that laments, chaotically
HUAN: He is common in Spain.

Over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

OK ... here you go:

1. Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
2. Portal spins to meet destruction here.
3. Sounds like Beirut is here.
4. Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
5. Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
6. Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.
7. Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
8. Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
9. A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
10. Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
11. Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

[Urwen]

6. Elanor (Eleanor-E)

[Urwen]

4. Haysend (HA+Y+SEND)

[Galadriel55]

2. Orodruin (Door + Ruin)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
3. Sounds like Beirut is here.
4. Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
5. Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.
7. Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
8. Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
9. A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
10. Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
11. Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Yes to all but 'Haysend.' You're right about it being a place, though.

[Huinesoron]

#4: If it's a place, then 'here' is the straight clue, and 'are you finished is 'U DUN?'

#7: a turnpike is a TOLL road, and a Toll Man minus Left is TOLMAN. One of Sam's relatives, right?

#9: Rory (a bloke/plastic Roman) + hen, in out shake it all about = ROHERYN, who's... Arwen's horse, maybe?

#3: Beirut is a city in (the capital of?) Lebanon, which sounds like LEBENNIN, which is probably in Gondor.

All of which are pretty solidly in the last parts of the story, so _OLU_ET_R__ =...

... VOLUME THREE?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

All correct! Will put them in when I have a moment or two.

I don't get the 'plastic Roman' bit, though.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

All correct! Will put them in when I have a moment or two.

I don't get the 'plastic Roman' bit, though.

Doctor Who reference. Rory Williams gets replaced by a plastic duplicate of himself, while simultaneously being transported to Roman Britain. He then spends the next 2000 years being a semi-mythical plastic Roman.

This is the sort of reference you get when I forget the existence of Rorimac Brandybuck.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

V: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
H: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
E: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Isn't Roheryn Aragorn's horse, or have I got that wrong?

Quite impressed you got that clue so quickly, because there are lots of poppos besides Roheryn, plus a cow, a cat and some dogs! (Named ones, I mean).

And Rory isn't exactly a common name.

I would probably think of Rory Bremner first, although I first heard the name on a 70's children's programme called 'Animal Cwackers.' Rory was a lion. Other characters used to sing to him: 'Rory, Rory, tell us a story!' Ah, youth!

I've never really taken to Dr Who, to be honest.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Isn't Roheryn Aragorn's horse, or have I got that wrong?

Quite impressed you got that clue so quickly, because there are lots of poppos besides Roheryn, plus a cow, a cat and some dogs! (Named ones, I mean).

And Rory isn't exactly a common name.

I would probably think of Rory Bremner first, although I first heard the name on a 70's children's programme called 'Animal Cwackers.' Rory was a lion. Other characters used to sing to him: 'Rory, Rory, tell us a story!' Ah, youth!

I've never really taken to Dr Who, to be honest.

I have nooo idea whose horse it is... I actually came at it from the other side, looking for horses (the obvious quadruped) with 'hen' in their names. I was expecting Man+Hen, but disassembling Roheryn left a man's name, so I gave it a shot.

... the final E isn't END, is it? I can't make it work with the clue (it's the first three letters of 'dental', returned, but corrupted), but it is a significant event...

hS

[Urwen]

Halbarad (LAB inside HARAD)

[Pervinca Took]

Huey:

Not 'End.' An interesting idea, though. 'Corrupted' isn't an anagram indicator.

'Man + Hen' is making me see a really weird mythical creature, like a centaur but with feathers ....

[Pervinca Took]

V: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
E: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

[Pervinca Took]

Hang on, I didn't even *type* 'corrupted' in the clue, so of course it isn't an anagram indicator!

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Hang on, I didn't even *type* 'corrupted' in the clue, so of course it isn't an anagram indicator!

No, I know - like I said, it doesn't really fit the clue, but if I didn't ask...

Okay, V should be easy; how many V-words can there be? I think 'wherefore, we hear' might be a Y, but Juliet's bottle?

Umm... if it's Juliet of Romeo fame, then she was Italian. 'Bottiglia' doesn't have a V, but something like 'vino', for 'wine', does.

... how about VILYA? It shows up in Volume 3, and 'Vila' looks like an Italian word.

The first E: French for 'glory' is 'gloire', which sounds close to one of the words used at Cormallen... yep, EGLERIO, with an E note.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

No, I know - like I said, it doesn't really fit the clue, but if I didn't ask...

Okay, V should be easy; how many V-words can there be? I think 'wherefore, we hear' might be a Y, but Juliet's bottle?

Umm... if it's Juliet of Romeo fame, then she was Italian. 'Bottiglia' doesn't have a V, but something like 'vino', for 'wine', does.

... how about VILYA? It shows up in Volume 3, and 'Vila' looks like an Italian word.

The first E: French for 'glory' is 'gloire', which sounds close to one of the words used at Cormallen... yep, EGLERIO, with an E note.

hS

Quite. I was telling myself off, not you. I've added a wink to make it clearer.

EGLERIO is correct. So is your reasoning.

VILYA is correct too, but the reason is that Juliet drinks a sleeping potion from a small glass bottle which is on every occasion referred to as a VIAL. There's a famous speech, just before she swallows its contents, in which she expresses her terrible fears of its not working, or being poison that the Friar has given her to get rid of her, or of waking too early and suffocating in the family vault with all those pongy corpses, or going mad and playing with the bones of her dead kinsmen and women! I remember an actress performing it on Wogan, back in the 80's - an elderly lady speaking a part from her youth. Pretty cool that she still remembered it!

It will be the same sort of thing that Galadriel called a PHIAL, but it's VIAL in Shakespeare, so it's Juliet in the clue, because I needed the V.

Then the Y is because 'wherefore' actually means WHY, which sounds like, (hence 'we hear') Y.

'Wherefore art thou Romeo?' of course means 'WHY are you Romeo?' - because it means, (together with the lines that follow), "Why are you Romeo Montague? (Because my family will never let me marry a Montague). Then she goes on to ask him to throw away his name, or if not she'll throw away hers and no longer be a Capulet.

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
E: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Vilya indeed - only seen and named at the very end, along with Narya.

I wonder if Frodo already knew the names of the other two Elven-Rings by the last chapter, but not who bore them.

I hope Roheryn is right - I think Halbarad brought him to Aragorn in Volume Three.

Two to go!

[Pervinca Took]

Come on, guys! The last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Come on, guys! That last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

... ERUPTION starts with E, and has the 'RUPT' sound from 'uncorrupted'.



hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Come on, guys! That last two are not that hard.

What are the most significant things that occur in ROTK?

Melting of the Ring? Making Aragorn King? Oh, I know! Merry's curly Entish hair.


Seriously, I don't know, but if we assume clues to be distributed somewhat evenly we're still lacking a representation from the Scouring.

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
M: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
ERUPTION: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

Or you could try PURE (uncorrupted) backwards, then add T (dental sound/plosive) and ION (particle).

I don't always manage to spread clues evenly, but TOLMAN appears in the Scouring episode.

The remaining answer, though, does not. I can't remember if the actual name appears at all. But the place does. And it's AFTER the Scouring.

(Eglerio and Eruption came about because I just couldn't face writing clues for Elladan and Elrohir yet again).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Or you could try PURE (uncorrupted) backwards, then add T (dental sound/plosive) and ION (particle).

Sure, I suppose that works as well.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

(Eglerio and Eruption came about because I just couldn't face writing clues for Elladan and Elrohir yet again).

HEAR HEAR.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

The remaining answer, though, does not. I can't remember if the actual name appears at all. But the place does. And it's AFTER the Scouring.

Working 100% backwards from the only placename that fits... if you take LOTH (the rarer form of 'loath') and scramble it, then stick it into the middle of MIND, you get MITHLOND.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VILYA: Juliet's bottle? Wherefore, we hear? Spin to find it.
ORODRUIN: Portal spins to meet destruction here.
LEBENNIN: Sounds like Beirut is here.
UDUN: Here, have you finished? (Tsk, text language!)
MITHLOND: Unwilling, confused? Here! It's all in the mind.
ELANOR: Lady of Aquitaine loses direction for her.

TOLMAN: Geezer at the turnpike loses his way for him?
HALBARAD: Science room in a jumble in a dry country? See him!
ROHERYN: A bloke, a chicken, a mingling, a quadruped.
EGLERIO: Note, French glory - praise indeed! Shake it up!
ERUPTION: Return, uncorrupted, dental particle for a very significant occurrence.

That's the one!

Over to you.

[Huinesoron]

Thank you! That was fun; I mean, frustratingly hard in places, but fun.

It's been a while since I've done this, so hopefully I'm not too rusty...

1. - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
2. - See, hear - it's great.
3. - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
4. - I'll hear amid the waters.
5. - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
7. - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
8. - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
9. - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think 1 is ONODRIM, but I don't get 'conjunctionless,' unless it's 'NO OR' ... but that would take the R from RIM.

2. The great SEA, which sounds like see?

...

Maybe OSSIRIAND for the password?

I'd say DERNHELM for the last one ... four letters of GARDEN plus HELM, but we don't hear anything about Eowyn's offspring.

Perhaps there's another Dernhelm?

3. Silly Mary ill gives SILMARIL if you make the two double L's single and take out the Y's.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I think 1 is ONODRIM, but I don't get 'conjunctionless,' unless it's 'NO OR' ... but that would take the R from RIM.

AND is a conjunction.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

2. The great SEA, which sounds like see?

Precisely.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

...

Maybe OSSIRIAND for the password?

Correct!

Note to self: next password should contain only the most common letters in any given position. Some calculation may be required.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I'd say DERNHELM for the last one ... four letters of GARDEN plus HELM, but we don't hear anything about Eowyn's offspring.

Perhaps there's another Dernhelm?

It isn't Dernhelm. Different garden, different hammer.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

3. Silly Mary ill gives SILMARIL if you make the two double L's single and take out the Y's.

This is precisely right.

ONODRIM - They march, conjunctionless, on an odd rim.
SEA - See, hear - it's great.
SILMARIL - Our rock, silly Mary - ill. Not asking why or playing doubles.
4. I - I'll hear amid the waters.
5. R - The Golden Wood, a river? Not in west London, more like in west Raleigh.
6. I - Take inventory in Adelaide, three times each, put it on a Serbian site, and fight.
7. A - First, during Frodo's burden's loss, an angry speech in the south.
8. N - Miners make now this, now glamour - it's in there if they listen.
9. D - A tumbling garden meets a hammer's lord, father of two sons.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, DENETHOR, father of Bozzer and Faramir.

It's EDEN, plus THOR, I guess.

Is Ossiriand also the theme? Did the other Denethor also have two sons?

7. ADURANT, the most southerly of Ossiriand's seven rivers. RANT for angry speech, but can't provide the rest.

[Galadriel55]

I believe 4 starts with Isle. Isle of Balar?

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... A for first letter, DU(RING) (lose Frodo's burden), then add RANT.

ADURANT.

8. NAUGLAMIR. (Was wondering why I couldn't get Nargothrond to work!)