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Old 11-14-2008, 01:23 PM   #801
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Nah, Origin works.
Only if you say it with an American accent. Pio's link is nothing like how Kath or I would say origin.

I have been there but clearly not long enough to get the pronounciation right - it seems like Ori the Dwarf with a gun ..eek scary.

I second Eomer thought I have not moved since I joined I have not fully got the itch out of my feet I have been lucky enoug to live, work and study overseas at various times and have Interrailed around Europe and Amtrakked round the Northern USA (literally - a round trip from Chicago via Seattle and New York and over 20 states in between). I have also backpacked around Australasia. I will go off again when circumstance allow, woudl love to see more of Asia in particular but in the meantime I want to explore my own fair land a bit more.
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:47 PM   #802
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Well that seems right to me. Well, "Mare-lind," or even "Merrlind" if you're from Baltimore. I guess you can say "Mare-uh-lind" but why take the trouble to say 3 syllables?

Edit: The pronunciation site says it's "lund" but I think it's more "lind". *shrug*

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Old 11-15-2008, 04:03 PM   #803
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So keep your squeaky cheese and State Street...on second thought I'd like State Street.
Not a chance. State Street is staying just outside my apartment where it should be.
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Just curious, mind you. I also appreciate what the state has to offer (though even Illinois and Iowa seem hilly to me after a trip through Oklahoma and the Texas panhandle ).
My home is on the west edge of Wauwatosa, while the tree farm is in Wautoma.

I'm actually down in Muskego fairly often. I worked there for the last half of summer and some good friends live out there. So that's cool.
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Old 11-15-2008, 04:50 PM   #804
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I bet that your science teacher believes in that Global Warming stuff.
Actually, he says it has to do with the Earth's natural rotation and cycles and stuff... I haven't had any science teachers who actually wholly believe in Global Warming.

And us Alaskans are looking forward to "Global Warming", it means more snow in the winter, and less ice!!
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Actually, he says it has to do with the Earth's natural rotation and cycles and stuff... I haven't had any science teachers who actually wholly believe in Global Warming.
Before joining the Downs I don't think I had ever even met a person who didn't believe in Global Warming.

At least the southern coast of Finland is affected pretty badly by it. No more snow in winter.
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Actually, he says it has to do with the Earth's natural rotation and cycles and stuff... I haven't had any science teachers who actually wholly believe in Global Warming.
I happen to agree with your teacher.

What's your favorite thing about Alaska?
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Old 11-15-2008, 06:21 PM   #807
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It would be very nice if you could stick to the topic of this thread
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Old 11-15-2008, 06:24 PM   #808
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Is that singular or plural 'you'?
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Old 11-15-2008, 06:28 PM   #809
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It was plural. . . I could have said "you guys", but I thought it was obvious that I was not only talking to single person.

In that case I would normaly use the persons name or quote the person.
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Old 01-09-2009, 02:27 PM   #810
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Cool! We need more Scandinavians here.

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Surely there are a disproportionate

number of Scandinavians here ... Unless my maths is really off we would need at least 30 active Brits to equal the number of active Finns relative to population and there is nowhere near that number these days... bit embarrassing given Tolkien's nationality...
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:39 PM   #813
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number of Scandinavians here ... Unless my maths is really off we would need at least 30 active Brits to equal the number of active Finns relative to population and there is nowhere near that number these days... bit embarrassing given Tolkien's nationality...
'Tis a great shame.


Well, let me "borrow" Amanaduial's list (and add myself):

Australia
Araathwen…………………………………….- Australia
Alkanoonion………………………………….- Adelaide, Australia
Silmarien……………………………………..- Melbourne, Australia
Beruthiel……………………………………….- Melbourne, Australia
Crazy_cookie………………………………..- Perth, Australia
Evenstar……………………………………….- Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Aeden……………………………………………- Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Elen Ilúvitauri............................- Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
LadyMeg...................................- Ayr, Queensland, Australia
Tarien Ithil................................- Sydney, Australia
Iargwath...................................- Sydney, Australia
Taralphiel..................................- Sydney, Australia
Grimkû the Blood-Axe................- Tasmania, Australia
Geffen......................................- Victoria, Australia
Bramblerose Gamgee-Took.........- Victoria, Australia
Nerwen.......................................- Victoria, Australia

Austria
Balin999...................................- Carinthia, Austria
Walter......................................- Austria

Bahrain
Sleepy Ranger...........................- Bahrain

Brazil
Mumak o’Harad.........................- Curitiba, Brazil

Canada
Wilwarin538..............................- Canada
Fordim Hedgethistle..................- Canada
Ainaserkwen.............................- Canada
Carlas......................................- Canada
Davin........................................- Canada
Faxon Spear..............................- Canada
Oliphaunt..................................- Canada
Naria.........................................- Canada
Valier………………………………………….- Canada
Aosama, the Wandering Star....- (South) Canada
Formendacil..............................- Alberta, Canada
Eowyn Skywalker......................- Alberta, Canada
Esgallhugwen...........................- Alberta, Canada
Gil-Galad....................................– Calgary, Canada
Salix..........................................- Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Thinhyandoiel............................- Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Auriel Haevasawen....................- Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Gollum*elf*pup.........................- Aurora, Canada
Uialellethwen............................- British Columbia, Canada
Faramir.....................................- Brunswick, Canada
Naaramare................................- Fort St. John, Canada
Ivy of the Woods.......................- New Brunswick, Canada
Gralin Musicteeth………………………- Newfoundland, Canada
Manelwen.................................- Ontario, Canada
Glirdan.....................................- Ontario, Canada
Fyara.......................................- Ontario, Canada
Lindril Arvilya............................- Ontario, Canada
Arwen Imladris..........................- Ontario, Canada
Beregond..................................-Ontario, Canada
Galadrie1..................................- Deep River, Ontario, Canada
Glenethor.................................- Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Mad Baggins.............................- Pinawa, Manitoba, Canada
Silent Sam................................- Prince Edward Island, Canada
Luinsewiel.................................- Prince Edward Island, Canada
Losthuniel.................................- Toronto, Canada
Rosseiliantiel.............................- Toronto, Canada
Naurlothwen.............................- Toronto, Canada
Haltred.....................................- Victoria BC, Canada
Farael.......................................- Winnipeg, Canada

China
Nevvasiel..................................- Hong Kong, China

Croatia
Amrod the Hunter......................- Croatia

Czech Republic
Legate of Amon Lanc.................- Prague, Czech Republic

Denmark
Maikadilwen..............................- Denmark
Cuthalion..................................- Denmark
Tifo_gcs...................................- Denmark
Melephelwen.............................- Denmark
Rune Son of Bjarne....................- Denmark

Eire (Republic of Ireland)
Mariska Greenleaf......................- Dublin, Eire
Dimaldaeon..............................- Galway, Eire

England
the guy who be short.................- Bedfordshire, England
Olorin_TLA................................- Berkshire, England
Phervasion................................- Birmingham, England
Bywater....................................- Buckinghamshire, England
Donlammenion..........................- Gloucester, England
Mithalwen.................................- Hampshire, England
Failivrin....................................- Hampshire, England
Arien........................................- Hitchin, England
Kath.........................................- Faversham, Kent, England
Becca.......................................- Chatham, Kent, England
Celebuial..................................- Leicester, England
Hookbill the Gamba....................- Lancashire, England
Narfforc....................................- Lancashire, England
Rimbaud...................................- Kensington, London, England
The Saucepan Man.....................- London, England
LePetitChoux.............................- London, England
Frodosgirl.................................- London, England
Arelindil....................................- London, England
TheGentleman...........................- London, England
TheLadyArwen...........................- London, England
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh........- London, England
Donlammenion..........................- London, England
The real findorfin.......................- London, England
Lyra Greenleaf...........................- London, England
Adastrea...................................- London, England
Lindil........................................- London, England
Eönwë.....................................- London, England
Legoli.......................................- Nottingham, England
Amanaduial the Archer...............- Manchester, England
Eleanor_niphredil.......................- Manchester, England
Elanor......................................- Manchester, England
Dain.........................................- Oxford, England
Mattius.....................................- Sheffield, England
Dragoneyes..............................- Suffolk, England
Randycarrot..............................- Tyne and Wear, England
Inderjit Sanghera......................- Wolverhampton, England
Lalwendë..................................- Yorkshire, England
Davem.....................................- Yorkshire, England
Eruanna....................................- North East England
Lady_Elf...................................- England
Gorothlammothiel......................- England
Nobody.....................................- England
Ravenna...................................- England
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1..........- England
Daisy Brambleburr.....................- England
Elentari Greenleaf......................- England

Finland
Thinlómien................................- Helsinki, Finland
Nogrod……………………………………………-Helsinki, Finland
Aganzir..........................................-Helsinki, Finland
Soronumë.................................- Finland
Dancing spawn of ungoliant….......- Finland
Annunfuiniel..............................- Finland
Schmendrick.............................- Finland

Georgia
HerenIstarion............................- Georgia

Germany
Durfuiniel..................................- Baden-Würtemberg, Germany
Macalaure…………………..…………………- Bielefeld, Germany
Manardariel...............................- Berlin, Germany
Zeen……………………………………………..- Kiel, Germany
Annúnthoroniel..........................- Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
Sharkû.....................................- Germany
Malva Headstrong......................- Germany
Estelyn Telcontar.......................- Germany
The Might...................................-Neuenrade, Germany

Hungary
Althern.....................................- Budapest, Hungary

India
Rutslegolas...............................- India

Latvia
Ophelia.....................................- Latvia

Luxembourg
Elrond of Rivendell.....................- Luxembourg

Malaysia
Avarrogion................................- Malaysia

Mexico
Lila Bramble..............................- Mexico

The Netherlands
Aramacil...................................- Alkmaar, the Netherlands
Jurion.......................................- Amersfoort, the Netherlands
Finwe-89..................................- The Hague, Holland
Durazor....................................- Harderwijk, Veluwe, Gelderland, the Netherlands
Helkahothion.............................- Zwaag, the Netherlands
Potatothan................................- Zwaag, the Netherlands
Lord Melkor...............................- Holland
Cailín........................................-Holland

New Zealand
Vilyon.......................................- Auckland, New Zealand
Eleventy1-tipsy-hobbits..............- Hamilton, New Zealand

Norway
Thorongil..................................- Bergen, Norway
Miriel Undomiel..........................- Bergen, Norway
Vanwalossien............................- Hamar, Norway
Holfast Willow from Greenfields....- Norway
Balroggie..................................- Norway
Vaine........................................- Tromsø, Norway

The Philippines
Amarinth..................................- The Philippines
Blackrose..................................- The Philippines
Finiel........................................- Bicol, the Philippines
Nilpaurion Felagund....................- Cavite, The Philippines
Lhunardawen.............................- Cavite, The Philippines
Neferchoirwen...........................- Muntinlupa, The Philippines
Yavanna II................................- Manila, The Philippines

Romania
Anunia......................................- Romania
Raynor…………………………………………..- Romania

Russia
Eratariel...................................- Russia
Akhtene....................................- St Petersburg, Russia

Scotland
Eomer of the Rohirrim................- Aberdeen, Scotland
*Varda*...................................- Edinburgh, Scotland
Lossentilien...............................- Edinburgh, Scotland
Elmo...........................................- Aberdeen, Scotchland

Singapore
Ryvyan.....................................- Singapore

South Africa
Lotessa.....................................- Cape Town, South Africa
Elsild........................................- Cape Town
The Evenstar.............................- South Africa
Gorisil.......................................- South Africa

Spain
Menelhachwen...........................- Alicante, Spain

Sweden
NightKnight...............................- Stockholm, Sweden
Gothmog..................................- Sweden
Eärendil....................................- Gislaved, Sweden
Fool of a Took............................- Sweden
Gayahithwen.............................- Sweden
Túrin Turambar.........................- Sweden

Switzerland
Guinevere.................................- Zürich, Switzerland

The Ukraine
Seagull Jonathan L.....................- The Ukraine

Uruguay
Theoden...................................- Uruguay

Unites States of America
Lady Iverin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Alabama, USA
Sleeping Beauty . . . . . . . . .. . . .- Ashland, Alabama, USA
Inziladun. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Birmingham, Alabama, USA
Gilthalion. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Mobile, Alabama, USA
LadyElbereth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Montgomery, Alabama, USA

Quicksilve_sprite. . . . . . . . . . . . - Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Hirilaelin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Anchorage, Alaska, USA
TheGreatElvenWarrior...............-Anchorage, Alaska, USA

Assasin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Arizona, USA

Milady Revenwyn. . . . . . . . . . . .- Arkansas, USA
Lhundulinwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Arkansas, USA

Linnahiril Tinnufinwen. . . . . . . . .- California, USA
Imladris. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - California, USA
Faye Took. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- California, USA
Dwarin Thunderhammer. . . . . . .- California, USA
Beln. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- California, USA
Alquadae. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- California, USA
Elendur. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Bay Area, Fremont, California, USA
Brionna. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- (North) California, USA
The Fifth. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Antelope, Sacremento, California, USA
Susan Delgado. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Chico, California, USA
Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood. .– Santa Clarita, California, USA
Arie. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - San Francisco, California, USA
Lhunbelethiel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- San Francisco, California, USA
Daisy Sandybanks. . . . . . . . . . . - San Francisco, California, USA
InklingElf. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- San Francisco, California, USA
Lariren Shadow........................-San Francisco, California, USA
Elven maiden Earwen. . . . . . . . . - San Diego, California, USA

Emni Windrunner. . . . . . . . . . .. - Colorado, USA
Aerandir Carnesir. . . . . . . . . . . .- Mead, Colorado, USA

Peony_foxburr. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Connecticut, USA
Laleena. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -Kensington, Connecticut, USA

Mithadan. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Florida, USA
Elu Ancalime. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .– Florida, USA
Symestreen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Ealasaide. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Orlando, Florida, USA
Lëowen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Punta Gorda, Florida, USA
ElenCala Isil. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Punta Gorda, Florida, USA

Warrenerd. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Atlanta, Georgia, USA
JennyHallu. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Augusta, Georgia, USA
Maikafanawen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Savannah, Georgia, USA

Seremela. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Idaho, USA
Ithaeliel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Idaho, USA
Cameron Waite. . . . . . . . . . . . . - Idaho, USA
Brinniel.......................................- Boise, Idaho

Sirithheruwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Illinois, USA
Bungo Baggins. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Chicago, Illinois, USA
StarJewel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Chicago, Illinois, USA
Luinalatawen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Chicago, Illinois, USA
Tigerlilly Gamgee. . . . . . . . . . . .- Chicago, Illinois, USA
Kalimac. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Chicago, Illinois, USA
Gwindor. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Chicago, Illinois, USA
Iarwain. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Chicago, Illinois, USA

Sophia the Thunder Mistress. . . . - Indiana, USA
Manaratowen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Indiana, USA
Lindolirian. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
Alaklondewen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Indiana, USA
Vardamar. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - (North West) Indiana, USA

Luthien-elvenprincess. . . . . . . . .- Iowa, USA

The Only Real Estel. . . . . . . . . . .- Topeka, Kansas, USA
Gurthang. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Manhattan, Kansas, USA

Galadel Vinorel. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Kentucky, USA
ArwenBaggins. . . . . . . . . . . . . ..- Louisville, Kentucky, USA

Aeryn Evenstar. . . . . . . . . . . . . - Louisiana, USA
The Perky Ent. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Krumtakh the Obtuse. . . . . . . . . - Maine, USA

Aylwen Dreamsong. . . . . . . . . . .- Maryland, USA
Son of Númenor. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Maryland, USA
Sparrow. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Maryland, USA
Durelin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Maryland, USA
NazgulNumberTen. . . . . . . . . . . - Baltimore, Maryland, USA

Beth the elf. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Massachusetts, USA
Kittiewhirl1677. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Massachusetts, USA
GaladrieloftheOlden. . . . . . . . . . - Massachusetts, USA
Amarantha_Daisy. . . . . . . . . . . .- Massachusetts, USA
Cúdae. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . - Massachusetts, USA
Peonydeepdelver. . . . . . . . . . . . - Massachusetts, USA
AbercrombieofRohan. . . . . . . . . .- Massachusetts, USA
Shelob. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Massachusetts, USA
malkatoj. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Massachusetts, USA
Márcolië Lamen. . . . . . . . . . . . . - Massachusetts, USA

TolkienGurl. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Michigan, USA
Red. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Michigan, USA
Legolas in spandex. . . . . . . . . . .– Michigan, USA
Tigerlilly Gamgee. . . . . . . . . . . . –Detroit, Michigan, USA
Andsigil......................................-Detroit, Michigan, USA
Ninja91. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Farmington, Michigan, USA

Jack. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Minnesota, USA
Radagastly. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Minnesota, USA
Calencoire. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Minnesota, USA
Meoshi. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - St Paul, Minnesota, USA
Jesse. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Minnesota, USA

Elizabeth Elindel. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Kansas City, Missouri, USA
Dininziliel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Kansas City, Missouri, USA
Lord_of_rohan2003. . . . . . . . . . - St Louis, Missouri, USA

Oddwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Montana

Alphaelin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Nebraska, USA
The phantom. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Lord of dor-lomin. . . . . . . . . . . . - Omaha, Nebraska, USA
satansaloser2005......................-Nebraska, USA

Cuthalion. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- New Hampshire, USA
Elrowen Tinúviel. . . . . . . . . . . . .- New Hampshire, USA

Faenaduial. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- New Jersey, USA
Phrim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - New Jersey, USA
Merri. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- New Jersey, USA
Linaeve. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- New Jersey, USA

Goldberry. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - New York, USA
Feanor of the Peredhil. . .. . . . . . - New York, USA
Andredawn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - New York, USA
Rose Cotton. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- New York, USA
Lothiriel Silmarien. . . . . . . . . . . - New York, USA
Olorin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Long Island, New York, USA
VanimaEdhel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .– New York, USA
Rikae.........................................-New York, USA

Saraphim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

Garen LiLorian. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- North Carolina, USA
Rinfanawen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- North Carolina, USA
Firondoiel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - North Carolina, USA
Bill Ferny. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- North Carolina, USA
Eruwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- North Carolina, USA
Lush. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Durham, North Carolina, USA
Legolas. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA

Thengal. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Ohio, USA
Scott. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Ohio, USA
Suicidal elf chick. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Ohio, USA
Birdland. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Ohio, USA
Hilde Bracegirdle. . . . . . . . . . . . - Ohio, USA

Vuelve. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Oklahoma, USA

Maeggaladiel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Oregon, USA
Eol. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Oregon, USA
Dunmetiel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Oregon, USA
MYyyPreciousSS. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Oregon, USA
Piosenniel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Eugene, Oregon, USA
Calenedheliel1. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Eugene, Oregon, USA
Gwathagor................................-Newberg, Oregon, USA

Yavanna228. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Pennsylvania, USA
CaptainofDespair. . . . . . . . . . . .- Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania
Steve. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Celuien. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Bashbrug the Thug. . . . . . . . . . .- Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
Elenna. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
Elois Telcontar. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
Salacia Deloresista....................-Pennsylvania, USA

Mark12_30. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Rhode Island, USA
Morsul the Dark. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Rhode Island, USA
Missy Evenstar. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Rhode Island, USA
shieldmaiden4xsword................-Rhode Island, USA

Nirvana II . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - South Carolina, USA

Elven_Warrior. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - South Dakota, USA

Lyta_Underhill. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Tennessee, USA
Lolidir. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Memphis, Tenessee, USA

Turgon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Eressië Ailin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
BethoHOG. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
LaurinaAinur. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Alaggaeriel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Keowyn. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . - Texas, USA
Nilwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Texas, USA
Nevfeniel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Texas, USA
DaughterofVana. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Bulelainwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Texas, USA
One Axe to Rule Them All. . . . . . - Texas, USA
Arianrod. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Texas, USA
ElanorGamgee. . .. . . . . . . . . . . - Texas, USA
Earendil Halfelven. . . . . .. . . . . .- Texas, USA
Starkat. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Valesse. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Texas, USA
Arafangwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Austin, Texas, USA
Nuranar. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - College Station, Texas, USA
Luthien_Tinuviel. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Dallas, Texas, USA
Lily Bombadil. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Gonzalez, Texas, USA
Regin Hardhammer. . . . . . . . . . .- Houston, Texas, USA
Child of the Seventh Age. . . . . . .- Houston, Texas, USA
Finwe. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Brownsville, Texas, USA
Texadan.....................................- Lufkin, Texas, USA
Groin Redbeard..........................-Boerne, Texas, UA

Nimrodel_9. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Utah, USA
Elennar Starfire. . . . . . . . . . . . .– Utah, USA
Lady_Báin. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Utah, USA
Ms. Took. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Utah, USA
Garin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Utah, USA
Nonnacedak. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . – Utah, USA
Sapphire_Flame. . . . . . . . . . . . .- Riverton, Utah, USA
mormegil. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Tooele, Utah, USA
Enorëiel. . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- West Valley, Utah, USA

Kransha. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - (North) Virginia, USA
Meneltarmacil. . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Norfolk, Virginia, USA
Hobbitlass. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA

Snowdog. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Cle Elum, Washington, USA
Gorwingel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Olympia, Washington, USA
Elsye. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Port Angeles, Washington, USA
Raefindel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Port Orchard, Washington, USA
Rochelle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Renton, Washington, USA
Marileangorifurnimaluim. . . . . . .- Seattle, Washington, USA
Alcarillo. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Seattle, Washington, USA

Lady Gamgee. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- West Virginia, USA
Beren87. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - West Virginia, USA

NyteSky. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Wisconsin, USA
High King Fingolfin. . . . . . . . . . .- Wisconsin, USA
Diamond18. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Wisconsin, USA

THE Ka.......................................-Wisconsin, USA
Orominuialwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . – Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Ibrîniðilpathânezel.....................- Muskego, Wisconsin
McCaber....................................- Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

Firefoot. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - Midwest USA
Oruminuialwen. . . . . . . . . . . . . .- Midwest USA
Elvencat. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . - East USA
Waenfalathiel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .- USA






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edit: added everyone since Amanaduial's last post.
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:43 PM   #814
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Me. Czech Republic, Prague. And just from the look it lacks about half of the Finns, as well as in fact all of the newer (I'd guess people who joined sometime around summer 2006. It lacks Rikae, for example. Okay, you could probably guess it from when the post was last edited).
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Nor am I. And I'm in Muskego, Wisconsin, USA.
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Oh, that list really needs some updating. Active members added, non-active members removed. And worst of all, I'm not even on the list (when I asked Aman to change my location, she removed me from one spot, but didn't add me back).

I actually once did work on revising the list when I was bored; I even added members who never mentioned their location in this particular thread, but elsewhere on the site. I never actually posted it, partly because I worried that some members would be upset that I removed non-active members. But most of them aren't coming back...and if they do, they could always be added back.

But if you guys like or wouldn't mind, I could work on revising the list again. It's time consuming, but I've been bored and need something to waste my time on...
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And how do you decide what counts as non-active?



*you plural, btw. Why don't we still use the word "ye" to make matters simpler?
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But if you guys like or wouldn't mind, I could work on revising the list again. It's time consuming, but I've been bored and need something to waste my time on...
Now that's an appreciation-worthy way to waste your time It would be nice if you did it. Well, somebody has to do it, it's looking a bit dull.
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Now that's an appreciation-worthy way to waste your time It would be nice if you did it. Well, somebody has to do it, it's looking a bit dull.
Agreed. Go on then, Brinster!
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That's quite some list! I'm from Ontario, Canada, if anyone feels like adding me next time the list is updated.

Tromsø, Vaine? I've heard of that place - it sounds very interesting.
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I'd say a safe bet for non-active is that their last recorded visit was more than two years ago.
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That's quite some list! I'm from Ontario, Canada, if anyone feels like adding me next time the list is updated.
You're added, Beregond. Though sorry Brinn if it makes your job harder.
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I would argue that people who haven't been active for even a year are hardly active at all. Even if people don't post much they're likely to come online at least once every few months o a year.
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I'd say a safe bet for non-active is that their last recorded visit was more than two years ago.
That's what I would've said. Anyone who hasn't visited since December 2006 is most definitely inactive and most likely won't return. Though I'm tempted to keep members who were once extremely active and no longer are on the list for a little longer than the two year limit. It's just they are more likely to someday return than say a Haunting Spirit...and it has happened before. I don't know if I will though. It's more that I just don't want to remove some members because I miss them and don't want to give up on them. We'll see what I decide.

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No, it doesn't. If anything, it helps.

Anyway, I'll get started on it tonight.

EDIT: Btw, I just realised my name's on the list after all. The location just never changed...
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Though I'm tempted to keep members who were once extremely active and no longer are on the list for a little longer than the two year limit. It's just they are more likely to someday return than say a Haunting Spirit...and it has happened before. I don't know if I will though. It's more that I just don't want to remove some members because I miss them and don't want to give up on them. We'll see what I decide.
Keep them, I suggest. If they were that involved in the forum before, they're still part of the forum for those who were around when they were.
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Hmm...it's really difficult to decide what qualifies as inactive. And taking a look at the list, I realised it depends on the member. So here's what I did:

I consider most members who haven not visited the site for two years as inactive. But if a member had over 500 posts, I extended the cut-off to three years. And if the member had less than 50 posts, I shortened the cut-off to one year.

Hopefully that's fair enough. But if anyone disagrees, let me know.

I have to say one thing I noticed going down the list is while many of the earlier BDers don't seem active anymore when it comes to posts, several of them have at least lurked here in recent months..
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Australia
Alkanoonion..............................- Adelaide, Australia
Taralphiel..................................- Sydney, Australia
Grimkû the Blood-Axe............... - Tasmania, Australia
Nerwen......................................- Victoria, Australia

Austria

Balin999...................................- Carinthia, Austria

Bahrain

Sleepy Ranger...........................- Bahrain

Canada
Ainaserkwen............................- Canada
Carlas......................................- Canada
Davin.......................................- Canada
Fordim Hedgethistle..................- Canada
Esgallhugwen..........................- Alberta, Canada
Gil-Galad.................................– Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Formendacil.............................- Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Mad Baggins............................- Pinawa, Manitoba, Canada
Farael......................................- Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Arwen Imladris........................- Ontario, Canada
Beregond.................................-Ontario, Canada
Glirdan....................................- Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Wilwarin538............................- Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Naria.......................................- Regina, Saskatewan, Canada
Valier.......................................- Regina, Saskatewan, Canada

Croatia
BGreg......................................- Croatia

Czech Republic
Legate of Amon Lanc...............- Prague, Czech Republic

Denmark

Maikadilwen..............................- Denmark
Rune Son of Bjarne...................- Frederiksberg, Denmark

England

Daisy Brambleburr....................- England
Elentari Greenleaf.....................- England
Eruanna....................................- England
Lalaith.......................................- England
Rumil.........................................- England
the guy who be short................- Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Bywaters..................................- Buckinghamshire, England
Phervasion...............................- Birmingham, England
Mithalwen.................................- Hampshire, England
Arien.........................................- Hitchin, England
Bekah.......................................- Chatham, Kent, England
Kath.........................................- Faversham, Kent, England
Narfforc....................................- Lancashire, England
Hookbill the Goomba...............- Parbold, Lancashire, England
Eönwë......................................- London, England
lindil.........................................- London, England
Rimbaud...................................- London, England
The Saucepan Man...................- London, England
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh.....- London, England
Amanaduial the Archer............- Manchester, England
Anguirel...................................- Oxford, England
Dragoneyes.............................- Suffolk, England
Inderjit Sanghera....................- Wolverhampton, England
davem.....................................- Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Lalwendë................................- Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Mattius....................................- Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Finland
Annunfuiniel..............................- Finland
Dancing spawn of ungoliant.....- Finland
Aganzir.......................................-Helsinki, Finland
A Little Green............................- Helsinki, Finland
Nogrod.......................................-Helsinki, Finland
Thinlómien.................................- Helsinki, Finland
Volo...........................................- Helsinki, Finland

Georgia
HerenIstarion............................- Tbilisi, Georgia

Germany
Sharkû......................................- Augsburg, Germany
Estelyn Telcontar......................- Lippstadt, Germany
The Might...................................-Neuenrade, Germany
Pitchwife...................................- Tübingen, Germany

Jordan
Lush...........................................-Jordan

The Netherlands
Lord Melkor...............................- the Netherlands
Cailín.........................................-Utrecht, the Netherlands
Eomer of the Rohirrim...............- Utrecht, the Netherlands

Norway

Thorongil..................................- Bergen, Norway
Vanwalossien...........................- Hamar, Norway
Vaine........................................- Tromsø, Norway

The Philippines
Amarinth..................................- the Philippines
Lindale.....................................- the Philippines
Finiel........................................- Bicol, the Philippines
Lhunardawen..........................- Cavite, The Philippines
Nilpaurion Felagund.................- Cavite, The Philippines

Romania
Anunia.....................................- Romania
Evisse the Blue........................- Romania
Raynor.....................................- Romania

Russia
Akhtene..................................- St Petersburg, Russia

Scotland

*Varda*...................................- Edinburgh, Scotland
Elmo.........................................- Aberdeen, Scotchland

Spain
AbercrombieofRohan................- Barcelona, Spain

Sweden

Gothmog..................................- Sweden
skip spence..............................- Sweden
NightKnight..............................- Stockholm, Sweden

Switzerland

Guinevere.................................- Zürich, Switzerland

Unites States of America
Sleeping Beauty......................- Ashland, Alabama, USA
Inziladun.................................– Birmingham, Alabama, USA
Gilthalion..................................- Mobile, Alabama, USA

Laurinquë.................................- Anchorage, Alaska, USA
TheGreatElvenWarrior...............-Anchorage, Alaska, USA

Alquadae................................- California, USA
Faye Took...............................- California, USA
Linnahiril Tinnufinwen............- California, USA
Roa_Aoife...............................- California, USA
Mister Underhill......................- Burbank, California, USA
Daisy Sandybanks..................- San Francisco, California, USA
InklingElf................................- San Francisco, California, USA
Lariren Shadow.......................-San Francisco, California, USA

Elu Ancalime...........................– Gainesville, Florida, USA
Mithadan...............................– Miami, Florida, USA
Ealasaide................................- Orlando, Florida, USA
Symestreem...........................- Palm Bay, Florida, USA
ElenCala Isil............................- Punta Gorda, Florida, USA

JennyHallu...............................– Augusta, Georgia, USA
Maikafanawen........................ - Savannah, Georgia, USA

Ithaeliel................................. – Boise, Idaho, USA

Iarwain...................................- Chicago, Illinois, USA
Luinalatawen......................... - Chicago, Illinois, USA
Tigerlilly Gamgee....................- Chicago, Illinois, USA

Alaklondewen............................ - Indiana, USA
LadyBrooke................................- Indiana, USA
Manaratowen.............................- Indiana, USA
Sophia the Thunder Mistress.........- Indiana, USA
Firefoot.......................................- Crown Point, Indiana, USA
Lindolirian...................................- Indianapolis, Indiana, USA

Luthien-elvenprincess................- Iowa, USA

Gurthang....................................- Manhattan, Kansas, USA
The Only Real Estel................... - Topeka, Kansas, USA

Galadel Vinorel...........................- Kentucky, USA
Eonwe........................................- Independence, Kentucky, USA

The Perky Ent.............................- New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Aylwen Dreamsong....................- Maryland, USA
Durelin......................................– Frederick, Maryland, USA
Son of Númenor.........................- Rockville, Maryland, USA

Azaelia of Willowbottom...........- Massachusetts, USA
Brinniel.....................................- Boston, Massachusetts, USA
GaladrieloftheOlden................ – Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Red..........................................- Michigan, USA
TolkienGurl.............................. - Michigan, USA
Andsigil.....................................-Detroit, Michigan, USA
ninja91....................................- Farmington, Michigan, USA
littlemanpoet...........................- Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
Morthoron...............................- Traverse City, Michigan, USA

Radagastly..............................– Minnesota, USA

Ghazi.......................................- Columbia, Missouri, USA
The Barrow-Wight...................- Ozark, Missouri, USA

Oddwen................................ – Billings, Montana, USA

Alphaelin..................................- Nebraska, USA
satansaloser2005....................- Friend, Nebraska, USA
The phantom............................- Omaha, Nebraska, USA

Aiwendil...................................- Landing, New Jersey, USA

Encaitare...................................-New York, USA
Feanor of the Peredhil............ - New York, USA
Goldberry.............................….- New York, USA
Rose Cotton.............................- New York, USA
VanimaEdhel...........................– New York, USA
Macalaure ................................-Geneva, New York, USA
Rikae........................................-Geneva, New York, USA

Firondoiel................................- North Carolina, USA
Garen LiLorian.........................- North Carolina, USA
Legolas...................................- Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA

Birdland................................. - Ohio, USA
Eldar14...................................- Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
Boromir88...............................- North Jackson, Ohio, USA
Hilde Bracegirdle................... – Rome, Ohio, USA

Shastanis Althreduin..............- Oklahoma, USA
Vuelve....................................- Oklahoma, USA
drigel......................................- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA

Isabellkya..............................- Oregon, USA
Maeggaladiel.........................- Oregon, USA
Morai.....................................- Oregon, USA
Piosenniel............................. - Eugene, Oregon, USA
Gwathagor.............................-Newberg, Oregon, USA

CaptainofDespair...................- Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania
Celuien..................................– Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

mark12_30............................– Rhode Island, USA
shieldmaiden4xsword............- Rhode Island, USA
Morsul the Dark......................- Warwick, Rhode Island, USA

Kitanna...................................- South Dakota, USA

Lyta_Underhill........................- Tennessee, USA
Lolidir......................................- Memphis, Tenessee, USA

Bulelainwen............................- Texas, USA
ElanorGamgee........................- Texas, USA
Imladris...................................- Texas, USA
starkat....................................- Texas, USA
Thenamir.................................- Texas, USA
Groin Redbeard.........................-Boerne, Texas, USA
Nuranar...................................- College Station, Texas, USA
Child of the Seventh Age........ - Houston, Texas, USA
Valesse....................................- Houston, Texas, USA
Regin Hardhammer................. - Houston, Texas, USA
Texadan...................................- Lufkin, Texas, USA

Nimrodel_9............................... - Utah, USA
mormegil...................................- Tooele, Utah, USA
Enorëiel.....................................- West Valley, Utah, USA

The Elf-Warrior...........................- Virginia, USA
Meneltarmacil............................- Norfolk, Virginia, USA
Holbytlass.................................- Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA
Carnimírië..................................- Winchester, Virginia, USA

THE Ka.....................................- Washington, USA
Snowdog.................................- Cle Elum, Washington, USA
Gorwingel................................- Olympia, Washington, USA
Raefindel..................................- Port Orchard, Washington, USA
Rochelle.................................. - Renton, Washington, USA
Marileangorifurnimaluim.......... - Seattle, Washington, USA

Beren87................................. - West Virginia, USA

Diamond18............................ - Wisconsin, USA
High King Fingolfin................. - Madison, Wisconsin, USA

Orominuialwen.......................– Madison, Wisconsin, USA
McCaber.................................- Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
Ibrîniðilpathânezel..................- Muskego, Wisconsin, USA

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It's been cut down by quite a bit. You know something's outdated when several of the members listed are no longer registered users or haven't been on the Downs since "1969."

I also added names and changed locations for people who have moved since they were put on the list. All of that was done by references to locations on other sections of this site, from the BDer map, and my own memory. Of course I'm only human, so some of this info may be inaccurate or simply outdated (especially if it's from the BDer map). So if your location is wrong, or you know that someone else's is, please let me know.

Yay, that was fun. I even alphabetized it. Yeah, I'm weird. I like making lists...
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I have always found it weird that there are so few German members of the Downs, it has the biggest population of European states save Russia and it is my impression that LotR is very popular down there. . . At least almost all Germans I know have read LotR at some point.

Another thing I noticed was that Hoblytlass lives in Fredericksburg and I in Frederiksberg. . . well, I found it slightly amusing.

(btw Frederiksberg is a independent municipality situatet in Copenhagen and surrounded by the municipality of Copenhagen. . . This is why I often just say that I live in Copenhagen)
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That's quite some list! I'm from Ontario, Canada, if anyone feels like adding me next time the list is updated.

Tromsø, Vaine? I've heard of that place - it sounds very interesting.

Not very, its just a frozen Town on some island in the middle of a fjord. :P
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Good work, Brinniel! *applauds*

Only.... isn't it spelt "littlemanpoet"?
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But... Hookbill the Gamba?

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I have always found it weird that there are so few German members of the Downs, it has the biggest population of European states save Russia and it is my impression that LotR is very popular down there. . . At least almost all Germans I know have read LotR at some point.
Maybe the size of Germany and its Tolkien community is the reason why there are plenty of German-speaking forums? Reading a book in a foreign language is one thing, participating in a foreign-language online forum on a regular basis another, I guess.
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Add me to the list, I suppose. Royal Oak or Traverse City, MI....depending on the weather, and whether I feel like shoveling snow; or, rather, more snow than I am currently shoveling. Did I mention there are only two seasons in Michigan: winter...and construction.
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Add me to the list, I suppose. Royal Oak or Traverse City, MI....depending on the weather, and whether I feel like shoveling snow; or, rather, more snow than I am currently shoveling. Did I mention there are only two seasons in Michigan: winter...and construction.
Hahhaa, sounds alot like where I come from.
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Add me to the list, I suppose. Royal Oak or Traverse City, MI....depending on the weather, and whether I feel like shoveling snow; or, rather, more snow than I am currently shoveling. Did I mention there are only two seasons in Michigan: winter...and construction.
I used to live near TC. *waves*

And I must be the second to point out LMP's typo - unless he's decided to change his username to "nigglemanpoet" one letter at a time.
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Good job, Brinn!
Reading a book in a foreign language is one thing, participating in a foreign-language online forum on a regular basis another, I guess.

It is - I was daunted by a French Tolkien site despite having been nearly bilingual once upon a time . I have huge admiration for the non-native speakers here.
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Only.... isn't it spelt "littlemanpoet"?
Oops on the spelling. I was trying to get rid of the capitalization and must've hit the wrong key.

Though I can't take credit for the Hookbill error; it got carried down from the earlier list.

But all fixed now, with Morthoron added.
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Wow...I had no idea there were so many Oregonians on the Downs, and the names I spotted actually surprised me. I'm still mum on my specific location, though I live between Gwathagor and Pio Maeg or Sleepy Ranger might give you a hint if heavily bribed. I might too actually.
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