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Meneltarmacil · 07-25-2003, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Theoden
Denethor
Sam
Aragorn
Turgon

Sam seens like the odd one out for a number of reasons (Only Hobbit, only one who didn't die but went to Valinor)... but that has got to be too easy. Maybe Denethor because he was the only one who didn't have a sword?

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 10:07 AM

No, sorry.

Gil-Galad · 07-25-2003, 10:51 AM

may i ask which Denethor? the Ossiraind Denethor or the steward Denethor?

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 11:40 AM

The steward, the one who appears in LotR.

Lyta_Underhill · 07-25-2003, 12:19 PM

Wild guess, top of my head: all of them but Sam died in a realm containing Minas Tirith! So Sam is odd...

Cheers,
Lyta
(forgive me if my wild guess is too wild!)

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 12:29 PM

That's a classy guess Lyta but not the right answer...

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 07-25-2003, 01:24 PM

Well, they were all "rulers" of something, but I'll guess Sam, because he wasn't a king or steward acting as king, just a a mayor.

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 01:44 PM

Nope.

Lyta_Underhill · 07-25-2003, 02:23 PM

They all lived in the Third Age, except for Turgon, who lived in the First Age. Oh, and thanks for the compliment on the first guess, Lalaith! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ July 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lyta_Underhill ]

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 04:20 PM

I think this is maybe bit hard.
Clue - Lyta was closest when she was thinking about their deaths...

Lyta_Underhill · 07-25-2003, 07:10 PM

Another guess: all but Turgon were mortals and had lived to old age for their kinds when they died.

Lalaith · 07-26-2003, 03:34 AM

No....sorry. I'm away for a week now but feel free to guess and I'll tell you when I get back!

Lasgalen · 07-27-2003, 02:30 AM

Denethor is the only one who takes his own life.

Gil-Galad · 07-27-2003, 11:39 AM

Turgon dies in a tower protecting himself

Dancing_Hobbit · 07-31-2003, 10:00 AM

I believe Theoden was the only one to die without any living offspring?

Lyta_Underhill · 07-31-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Theoden
Denethor
Sam
Aragorn
Turgon

OK, how about a silly guess? Sam is the only one without an "O" in his name! (Also the only one without an "N" in his name!) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Lyta_Underhill ]

Lalaith · 08-02-2003, 01:53 PM

No, none of these are right, but I'd say that Dancing Hobbit is thinking along the right lines.

Lasgalen · 08-03-2003, 12:25 AM

Theoden is the only one to outlive his child(ren).

Lalaith · 08-04-2003, 05:56 PM

Very much along the right lines, Lasgalen.

Turambar · 08-07-2003, 08:00 PM

Only Sam had children of both sexes?

Dancing_Hobbit · 08-13-2003, 12:08 PM

Denethor was the only one to try to kill himself and one of his children.

Manardariel · 08-15-2003, 04:48 AM

Hmmmm...

Turgon is the only one who´s children/heirs didn´t inherit anything from him?

Theoden- Kingship to Eomer
Sam- Red Book of Westmarch to Elanor
Denethor- Stewardship to Faramir
Aragorn- Kingship to Eladarion

does that make sense???

Lalaith · 08-18-2003, 03:15 AM

Hi everyone, sorry I was away and couldn't remember my password to log on!
No, it's not to do with children.
Lasgalen is still the closest though. 'outlive' is the key word....

Turambar · 08-18-2003, 08:38 AM

Was Aragorn the only one outlived by his wife ? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Lalaith · 08-18-2003, 08:43 AM

Hurrah for Turambar! It's the right answer...

Turambar · 08-19-2003, 06:17 AM

Thingol
Fingolfin
Finrod
Turgon
Beren

Mariska Greenleaf · 08-19-2003, 06:59 AM

My first thought is Beren,
because he is the only man, the rest of them are elves, but it will not be that easy I suppose [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Eruanna · 08-19-2003, 08:16 AM

Finrod? He was the only one who did not marry and have children.

Turambar · 08-19-2003, 09:01 AM

No and no.

All but the OMO did something, or perhaps you could say something happened to them.

Cathelm · 08-19-2003, 10:40 AM

I have three guesses, if that's alright...

It's either Thingol, since he's the only one not going by his original name (Elwe),

Or Beren, because 1. He's a man, and 2. He died of causes not related to the War of the Silmarils, even if it was the second time.

Or Fingolfin, since as far as I remember he's the only one who had the honor of being slain by Morgoth himself.

Not sure if I'm allowed to do that, but hope one of them is right.

Turambar · 08-19-2003, 12:48 PM

Nope. Re the Fingolfin guess, usually an OMO question is based on something that applies to everyone except the OMO.

Just trying to clarify.

HINT: Lorien.

[ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Evisse the Blue · 08-21-2003, 02:43 PM

Lorien? I suppose it's not the ME Lorien but the one from Valinor, so I'll guess: Beren is the OMO because all the rest saw Valinor.

Turambar · 08-21-2003, 05:51 PM

Nope, though you have the correct Lorien.

You might say that all but the OMO received something, in a certain way.

THis probably isn't the best OMO question; I always have trouble asking these.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-22-2003, 02:50 AM

Thingol
Fingolfin
Finrod
Turgon
Beren

Fingolfin, perhaps. He is the only one not wedded or in close association with a person themselves associated with nightingales, which are ultimately from Lorien.

Turambar · 08-22-2003, 06:47 AM

That's the correct OMO, but the wrong reason -- what do the rules say about that?

Given the HINT, the answer is more obvious than than yours, Gwaihir.

HINT #2 -- one of Finrod's and Turgon's association with the answer occurred together, so to speak.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-22-2003, 07:26 AM

Just to clarify, on "Odd One Out" type games, the question is not correctrly answered until the correct reason for the correct OMO is given. In fact Turambar, you do not have to tell someone that they have the correct OMO if they give the wrong reason.

Turambar · 08-22-2003, 07:36 AM

I figured that but I'm eager to have this one solved. Like most people, I'd rather solve puzzles than pose them.

C'mon !!

Lasgalen · 08-24-2003, 02:38 PM

Fingolfin, because he is the only one whose death is not associated with getting and or keeping a Silmaril?

Turambar · 08-24-2003, 05:02 PM

*cough-whatisLorientheGodof-cough*

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-25-2003, 02:25 AM

Ummm..... Fingolfin the only one who didn't have a garden, then?

07-25-2003, 10:07 AM	#802
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No, sorry. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-25-2003, 10:51 AM	#803
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	may i ask which Denethor? the Ossiraind Denethor or the steward Denethor? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-25-2003, 11:40 AM	#804
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	The steward, the one who appears in LotR. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-25-2003, 12:19 PM	#805
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Wild guess, top of my head: all of them but Sam died in a realm containing Minas Tirith! So Sam is odd... Cheers, Lyta (forgive me if my wild guess is too wild!) __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

07-25-2003, 12:29 PM	#806
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	That's a classy guess Lyta but not the right answer... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-25-2003, 01:24 PM	#807
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Well, they were all "rulers" of something, but I'll guess Sam, because he wasn't a king or steward acting as king, just a a mayor. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

07-25-2003, 01:44 PM	#808
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Nope. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-25-2003, 02:23 PM	#809
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	They all lived in the Third Age, except for Turgon, who lived in the First Age. Oh, and thanks for the compliment on the first guess, Lalaith! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ July 25, 2003: Message edited by: Lyta_Underhill ] __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

07-25-2003, 04:20 PM	#810
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	I think this is maybe bit hard. Clue - Lyta was closest when she was thinking about their deaths... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-25-2003, 07:10 PM	#811
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Another guess: all but Turgon were mortals and had lived to old age for their kinds when they died. __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

07-26-2003, 03:34 AM	#812
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No....sorry. I'm away for a week now but feel free to guess and I'll tell you when I get back! __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-27-2003, 02:30 AM	#813
Lasgalen Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 101	Denethor is the only one who takes his own life. __________________ When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

07-27-2003, 11:39 AM	#814
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Turgon dies in a tower protecting himself __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-31-2003, 10:00 AM	#815
Dancing_Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald wood. Posts: 56	I believe Theoden was the only one to die without any living offspring? __________________ Hobbits bow to nobody! ...Except their plates...

08-02-2003, 01:53 PM	#817
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	No, none of these are right, but I'd say that Dancing Hobbit is thinking along the right lines. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

08-03-2003, 12:25 AM	#818
Lasgalen Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 101	Theoden is the only one to outlive his child(ren). __________________ When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

08-04-2003, 05:56 PM	#819
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Very much along the right lines, Lasgalen. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

08-07-2003, 08:00 PM	#820
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Only Sam had children of both sexes? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-13-2003, 12:08 PM	#821
Dancing_Hobbit Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2003 Location: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald wood. Posts: 56	Denethor was the only one to try to kill himself and one of his children. __________________ Hobbits bow to nobody! ...Except their plates...

08-15-2003, 04:48 AM	#822
Manardariel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 807	Hmmmm... Turgon is the only one who´s children/heirs didn´t inherit anything from him? Theoden- Kingship to Eomer Sam- Red Book of Westmarch to Elanor Denethor- Stewardship to Faramir Aragorn- Kingship to Eladarion does that make sense??? __________________ Love is a perky elf dancing a merry little jig and then suddenly he turns on you with a miniature machine gun. Blog :-)\|FanFic Dream City

08-18-2003, 03:15 AM	#823
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hi everyone, sorry I was away and couldn't remember my password to log on! No, it's not to do with children. Lasgalen is still the closest though. 'outlive' is the key word.... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

08-18-2003, 08:38 AM	#824
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Was Aragorn the only one outlived by his wife ? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-18-2003, 08:43 AM	#825
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hurrah for Turambar! It's the right answer... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

08-19-2003, 06:17 AM	#826
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Thingol Fingolfin Finrod Turgon Beren __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-19-2003, 06:59 AM	#827
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	My first thought is Beren, because he is the only man, the rest of them are elves, but it will not be that easy I suppose [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

08-19-2003, 08:16 AM	#828
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	Finrod? He was the only one who did not marry and have children. __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

08-19-2003, 09:01 AM	#829
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	No and no. All but the OMO did something, or perhaps you could say something happened to them. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-19-2003, 10:40 AM	#830
Cathelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I have three guesses, if that's alright... It's either Thingol, since he's the only one not going by his original name (Elwe), Or Beren, because 1. He's a man, and 2. He died of causes not related to the War of the Silmarils, even if it was the second time. Or Fingolfin, since as far as I remember he's the only one who had the honor of being slain by Morgoth himself. Not sure if I'm allowed to do that, but hope one of them is right.

08-19-2003, 12:48 PM	#831
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Nope. Re the Fingolfin guess, usually an OMO question is based on something that applies to everyone except the OMO. Just trying to clarify. HINT: Lorien. [ August 19, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-21-2003, 02:43 PM	#832
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Lorien? I suppose it's not the ME Lorien but the one from Valinor, so I'll guess: Beren is the OMO because all the rest saw Valinor. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

08-21-2003, 05:51 PM	#833
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Nope, though you have the correct Lorien. You might say that all but the OMO received something, in a certain way. THis probably isn't the best OMO question; I always have trouble asking these. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-22-2003, 02:50 AM	#834
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Thingol Fingolfin Finrod Turgon Beren Fingolfin, perhaps. He is the only one not wedded or in close association with a person themselves associated with nightingales, which are ultimately from Lorien.

08-22-2003, 06:47 AM	#835
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	That's the correct OMO, but the wrong reason -- what do the rules say about that? Given the HINT, the answer is more obvious than than yours, Gwaihir. HINT #2 -- one of Finrod's and Turgon's association with the answer occurred together, so to speak. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-22-2003, 07:26 AM	#836
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Just to clarify, on "Odd One Out" type games, the question is not correctrly answered until the correct reason for the correct OMO is given. In fact Turambar, you do not have to tell someone that they have the correct OMO if they give the wrong reason. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-22-2003, 07:36 AM	#837
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I figured that but I'm eager to have this one solved. Like most people, I'd rather solve puzzles than pose them. C'mon !! __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.