Password

[Pervinca Took]

I wondered if it was PETER + GRIFFIN.

AH!

TELPERION.

Peter + Lion.

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
A: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


The T clue is how the whole idea for the password was born. I had it planned for weeks now.

[Pervinca Took]

Been thinking of LAVARALDA for clue 2. RIVIL backwards, with the vowels changed. But can't find a synonym of 'norm.'

LEGETOJ is Danish for 'toy.'

But the only likely plant seems to be AthelaS, with AS as the surrounding conjunction.

[Urwen]

You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

As + Lego = AEGLOS, the snowthorn of Amon Rûdh.

hS

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Pervinca Took]

Could N be NIPHREDIL?

Mainly based on LI(THIUM) being reversed at the end. But the rest of it could make DERPHIN, which isn't THAT far from 'dolphin.'

[Urwen]

Actually, it is IR+DELPHIN.

[Urwen]

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

[Pervinca Took]

I'm going to guess ELANOR for L, using the second letter for the password.

NILE backwards with a vowel change, plus NOR(M).

[Urwen]

Nope, but the river is correct.

[Pervinca Took]

Nearest I can get for P is PIMPERNEL, which has PILE.

German note suggests H. But no P------- plant I can find also has an H.

So maybe it's A in German (plus an unrelated note): EIN or EINE. PIMPERNEL has both, but it takes letters away from PILE to account for them.

So maybe it's a German person/personal name, plus AN unrelated note.

PERVINCA has VAN for the vehicle, and ERIC, but is that particularly German?

A VEHICLE can be a method/way/channel/conduit, but that hasn't led me to a solution either.

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Urwen]

Maybe this will help: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Plants

[Huinesoron]

L: I tried Lebethron, but then remembered, oh yeah, there's Two Trees... LAURELIN is reversed NILE + ... vowel-switched REAL, maybe? Oh, no, it's RULE.

P: well, your link suggests PILINEHTAR, which could be PILE + TRAIN + ...H? Oh, right, because German musical notation is... kind of weird, actually? I guess all musical notation is weird, but starting with A-H-B-C is a different kind of odd.

hS

[Urwen]

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


L is T's 'twin'.

[Huinesoron]

Can I check whether my guess at Laurelin is wrong, or whether you just missed it?

If it's not Laurelin, then... maybe another name for Laurelin? She was named Lindeloksë and Lasgalen, though no rivers spring out at me.

hS

[Urwen]

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
LAURELIN: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

It's Nile backwards + RULE - E + A

And now over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

A very nice password and theme, Urwen.

OK, then. Here's the next one. Enjoy!


1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
5. Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
9. Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of certain plosives?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, let's see:

#9: WITHER - ER, + Y (from the French), + DWINDLE - D = WITHYWINDLE.

#5: DORIATH - TH + ER = ERIADOR.

The straight clues are a good balance between helpful and vague, so thank you for that.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, the Dark Lords are Morgoth, Sauron or Voldemort, but I am going to assume it's Morgoth.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Exactly right on 5 and 9.

Wrong Dark Lord, Urwen.

EDIT: I've slightly amended clues 10 and 21.

[Urwen]

Sauron, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Sauron, then?

Yes, but that's only an element. It's not the answer.

[Urwen]

Oh, I know, Rauros.

[Urwen]

I don't really understand most of the clues.....

[Huinesoron]

#21: So does he shout "NO B!"?

#4: I thought this was like a pop/rock thing, but apparently Claude Debussy is a classical composer. One of his works was Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, which... suggests the answer might be APRES-MIDI, but I can't for the life of me see why.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

I looked at the plosive clue and couldn't for the life of me work out the answer. Until I looked at my answer. Then I edited it slightly. NOB it is.

I've edited the Debussy clue. It needed a 'sounds like' element. You have the right piece of music.

Yes, RAUROS has the N direction changed to R, and the letters tumble, but so do the falls! (of Rauros).

[Huinesoron]

A dubious guess for #14: is he HALF FAST (ie, still, steady), = HALFAST?

15: I was assuming Hola, but it seems VALE is a Spanish greeting too. Balin's dad is Fundin, and if we remove F for forward (or indeed formen) we can get... pretty close to VALE OF ANDUIN. Which isn't too far from Moria, and in fact is right next to where Balin lies down in Beorn's house.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Perfect reasoning for ERESTOR.

Clue 17 indicates a guy who is HALF SAT, which, with minimal disturbance, does give us HALFAST.

The element you need for 15 is HOLA, not vale.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

Why Prester John, Huey?

[Urwen]

Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

[Pervinca Took]

T: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
S: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Galadriel55]

1. TY (thank you text speak) + RN (nurse) + ?groth (twisted cave) = almost Tyrn Gorthad.

So, Tyrn Gorthad?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

Oh, nice! Hopefully we can knock down the remaining clues nice and quickly now.

S: 50p is a silver coin, so this clue describes a SILVER LOAD... sorry, SILVERLODE.

G: I'm wondering at GOLDORIN for this (Telerin, 'Noldorin'), since it starts with Gold + Or (heraldic term for gold), but I'm also drawn to GLORFINDEL because... well... it's got 'gold' in it in a different language.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

TY (Thank you in text speak) + RN (Registered Nurse - American because they're RGN's in Britain (the G is for General)) + GROT for cave ('She took me to her elfin grot' is a line from Keats's 'La Belle Dame Sans Merci') + HAD(ES).

SILVERLODE - quite correct, SILVER being a word used to collectively refer to silver-coloured coins, (50p, 20p, 10p, 5p). Do you have that term in Canada and/or the USA, G55 and Urwen? The copper-coloured coins (1p and 2p, and ha'pennies when I were a lass) are referred to as coppers.

You're close on the last clue, Huey. Note the 'almost.' The two words that form the clue are in the same semantic field, but in grammatical terms they don't mean exactly the same thing. They are from different word classes. EDIT: And because I'm feeling generous, OR is one of them.

Knock down my clues, indeed! How VERY dare they!

[Urwen]

The first I is Imladris (IRIS with M and LAD inside of it.)

[Pervinca Took]

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

[Urwen]

Second F is Fanuidhol (FUDIN+HOLA)