WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus - Page 20 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:27 PM

Oh and I forgot my vote.

++Rikae

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:28 PM

Oh dear.

Rikae · 07-30-2010, 11:28 PM

Sorry, but you're a false seer.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:29 PM

Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier.

That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that?

That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay?

Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can.

Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses?

Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were *gasp* concrete?

That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate.

P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best.

EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody....

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Sorry, but you're a false seer.

Well we can lynch you and find out.

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:30 PM

A hint to anyone around...

Both tp and Tum are more or less fiercely against lynching Lottie. That amount of interest should tell you something as there aren't that many innocents who know each others - and how wrong have we been thus far?

I say go for Lottie (the best chance we have of getting one of them - Tum might be related but I'm not sure if that's so clear - tp hasn't stood for her that openly or strongly. But he has really stood out for Lottie the entire game I think.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:31 PM

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm not a lover, Nog, and I'd bet my bank account that Lottie isn't either. I mean, fine, if you're so sure about it, why don't you bet your life? Lynch her, and if I'm right then you give up without a fight tomorrow. How's that?

I like this plan. Well, apart from lynching Lottie, that is.

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Originally Posted by autume98

Ok. I was really hoping I didn't have to do this, but it looks like do this or die.

If it's the wrong move I'm sorry. I'm the other Seer. I dreamt last night that Rikae was a wolf. Which is why I was going after her today.

Oh bugger. Whether you're lying or honest, real seer or false, bugger. Bugger.

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Originally Posted by autume98

Well we can lynch you and find out.

No, we can't do that! That was my plan, and everyone hated it!

Rikae · 07-30-2010, 11:32 PM

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

NO!

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:32 PM

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or teasing. Either way, I laughed a little. Thanks for that.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

NO!

Why not? Do I not understand something? Why not?

Cross posted with Phantom and Sally again.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

No she's not. She's Hestia.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

Edit: x-ed with bunches

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by autume98

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

No she's not. She's Hestia.

I'm far smarter than that (as usual).

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

Ares. Plain 'ole wolf. No lover.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

x-posted with Tum, Sally, and Sally.

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:36 PM

Oops... it seems we have a totally new situation...

And Rikae's comment about Sally being the seer compared with Tum's message of Rikae being as wolf would kind if fit together.

So how many votes do we have to check Rikae out? Can we make it?
Or is there a possdibility that Tum might sacrifice for something we don't want to stay alive?

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:37 PM

You just lost the game, Sally.

Rikae · 07-30-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sally

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or teasing. Either way, I laughed a little. Thanks for that.

Aren't you? Bugger.

Really, Autume, I believe you dreamed me and got wolf - it explains the nonsensical way you went after me more than anything, but I'm still not a wolf. I suppose my death would be one way to find out, but I kind of hope the other seer might know something tomorrow that will straighten all this out.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

If she's legit and she names innocent names then yes, people could be killed. If she's false I don't care, but we don't know yet, so I'd much rather wait.

If she's even telling the truth, that is.

Nerwen · 07-30-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Seriously? I mean if yes, then I have to consider refraining from these multi-role games. I have nothing against you as a person and I really feel bad if that is the feeling you have - if you're innocent that is; as a wolf you need to be prepared to take everything, you knew that?

But seriously, if you're honestlly feeling bad I will apologise immediately...

*Apologises*

Okay, Nog, I'm sorry I said you were being a jerk. But understand– normally you're someone I like playing with, and consider one of the more valuable players. This time around I'm just... perplexed. You really sound like you're much more interested in lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you in any way, than you are in actually catching wolves... or even in giving the appearance of wanting to catch wolves.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

And why are you so interested in saving Lottie? I mean why do you especially ask for my reasons to suspect her?

Well, you know... you did vote her. Lottie is in the lead at the time of posting, and I really can't see why.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Or why do you think my off-hand "counter-attack on Greenie"didn't loook good? Looking at how she's been treating me I think mine was even easier than any immediate retalitation so many hear tend to do. And at the same time I was trying to find out who would stretch their necks for her - if she was a wolf I think she could very well be - okay, I don't need to explain you these basics to you, do Í?

It looked to me like you were seeing how easy a lynch she'd be.

EDIT:X'd with everyone for ages.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by autume98

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

Well we could still coordinate enough to save you. I need to look at votes.

Again, assuming we want to save you.

See, this is why plans are bloody good things. *whimpers into her pillow*

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:40 PM

My bet is she's not bluffing.

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around.

x-posted with Sally.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:41 PM

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:41 PM

Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:41 PM

Don''t you know wolves that you may win the mind-games at the last minutes but most of us (well prolly not me) have time to look closely at these last moments during the Night and a few should read it right after the facts by the Mod?

So should you start with Rikae or tp?

Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

Apollo

Loslote · 07-30-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

I did not deny that I said those words, I denied that it was personal. I had a bad feeling about you would be better, I suppose. Personally, you are awesome. Game-wise, you look furry.

~~~~~~~

Bugger.

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Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by autume98

Apollo

Anyone want to counter that? I sure can't.

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:43 PM

Four votes still required... or woulld three suffice (the last to gain it was it?)?

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

Really. I don't remember this. I thought I was packmates with BG and Rikae.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

So should you start with Rikae or tp?

Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough.

Why would we kill the Phantom?

x-posted with Tum, Nogrod, Sally, Lotty, and Tum again.

Rikae · 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lottie

I've been your packmate before, Tum. And false revealing as a Seer definitely came up in Night pms. Just throwin' that out there.

I suspected as much. I tried not to meta, but we've talked about it in RL before (between games, of course) so it wouldn't surprise me. (Drat.) However, I'm not sure either way. This could be gifted shiftiness or it could be wolfism.

Can we just kill a fur face and let me go to bed? Please?

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he?

Our only chance is to check her out. I think we're not in that dire straits we couldn't afford it - even if they got a fifth and a sixth wolf...

I mean don't trust tp's optimism if he's one of them.

07-30-2010, 11:27 PM	#761
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	Oh and I forgot my vote. ++Rikae __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

07-30-2010, 11:29 PM	#764
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier. That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that? That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay? Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can. Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses? Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were gasp concrete? That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate. P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best. EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody.... __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-30-2010, 11:30 PM	#766
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	A hint to anyone around... Both tp and Tum are more or less fiercely against lynching Lottie. That amount of interest should tell you something as there aren't that many innocents who know each others - and how wrong have we been thus far? I say go for Lottie (the best chance we have of getting one of them - Tum might be related but I'm not sure if that's so clear - tp hasn't stood for her that openly or strongly. But he has really stood out for Lottie the entire game I think. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-30-2010, 11:31 PM	#767
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights? __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-30-2010, 11:32 PM	#771
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes. I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-30-2010, 11:28 PM	#762
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Oh dear.

07-30-2010, 11:28 PM	#763
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Sorry, but you're a false seer.

07-30-2010, 11:32 PM	#769
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

07-30-2010, 11:36 PM	#781
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Oops... it seems we have a totally new situation... And Rikae's comment about Sally being the seer compared with Tum's message of Rikae being as wolf would kind if fit together. So how many votes do we have to check Rikae out? Can we make it? Or is there a possdibility that Tum might sacrifice for something we don't want to stay alive? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-30-2010, 11:37 PM	#782
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	You just lost the game, Sally. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-30-2010, 11:40 PM	#788
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	My bet is she's not bluffing. But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around. x-posted with Sally. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-30-2010, 11:41 PM	#789
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-30-2010, 11:41 PM	#790
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	Nog --> Lottie Greenie --> Nog Lal --> Lottie Zil --> Tum Wilwa --> Tum Mira --> Phantom Mac --> Lottie (3) Rikae --> Tum Nienna --> Tum (4) Tum --> Rikae __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected.

07-30-2010, 11:41 PM	#791
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Don''t you know wolves that you may win the mind-games at the last minutes but most of us (well prolly not me) have time to look closely at these last moments during the Night and a few should read it right after the facts by the Mod? So should you start with Rikae or tp? Rikae would be the safest bet if we have votes enough. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-30-2010, 11:43 PM	#795
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Four votes still required... or woulld three suffice (the last to gain it was it?)? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-30-2010, 11:44 PM	#798
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	False reveals are bad taste? headdesk Autume, I wanted to like you, really. Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.