WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Also, we need to think about reveals tomorrow. Concerning Hansel und Gretel, if there is a disputed claim then a smart village can work around that. That's why it could be beneficial to get them out in the open. I don't think a villain can successfully reveal as one of these characters.

Think on it, anyway.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

EDIT: fixed quotes; x'd with Zil (have we settled on a nickname for him yet)?

I've been waiting for you all to decide.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Also, we need to think about reveals tomorrow. Concerning Hansel und Gretel, if there is a disputed claim then a smart village can work around that. That's why it could be beneficial to get them out in the open. I don't think a villain can successfully reveal as one of these characters.

Think on it, anyway.

I'd be inclined to leave that for later. I mean, there's Gaurcrist and tp in sore need of lynching before we can test any competing reveals. (unless Gaurcrist "reveals" as Hansel or Gretel. I think we could test that claim pretty quickly.)

But still, it could work– worth considering, anyway.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've had a really good feeling about Nerwen all game actually, though my instincts are notoriously hit or miss.

[wilwarin538]

I had it all written....and it was amazing....and then my internet....*poof*



Narration will be up when I stop crying and re-write it....

K, I'm not really crying, but I am in shock....

I suppose you should all stop posting now

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'll stop posting right after I say: I feel your pain. Happened to me a couple of times.

Good night, village.

[wilwarin538]

Day 5 over.

So, I lost my narration, just *poof* gone. I'm in a rush now to go somewhere and do not have time to even write a simpler version. So I will save this spot and come back on tonight and write it then. Fea is indeed the Ugly Stepsister, as everyone suspected.

Night 6 has officially started. Please stop posting. Keep an eye out for the narration.

[wilwarin538]

The sun set now on our little village once again. After not that much discussion the villagers began to gather in the town square. It was pretty obvious that Fea would be the one to be killed today so they began to gang up around her.

"Hold on! I want to tell you all a little story." Fea said with a flourish of her dress. Even though the sun had not completely set she was beginning to change back to her real self. "Once upon a time there was a little girl. She was a beautiful girl who got a lot of attention and received everything she wanted. She had a mother, a beautiful mother, who had lots of money but wanted a little bit of power. The mother decided to marry the king and became very happy, the little girl didn't mind so much either."

Fea was now twirling and dancing around in a very strange manner as the villagers watched in confusing. Her appearance was continually changing. She then began to sway in place and hummed to herself for a time before continuing. "Then one day, when the girl was grown, the beloved king passed away. It was all quite tragic. But the girl's mother still held the throne. The girl's future looked very promising. Then a little problem arose."

She said that last part very sharply, and the villagers eyed her in awe. She now looked exactly like herself, her amazing red hair flying in all directions as she paced around the small circle they had formed around her. She continued again, her tone now very cruel.

"The king's meddling son could take the thrown away from the queen with the simple words "I do". All he needed was his one true love." She said this last part quite sarcastically with a wave of her hands. "She wouldn't let that happen of course. That is why I'm here, and my allies. You may be ruining it all for me, taking away my chance to be queen someday, but you will not win. My mother will gain full control and you will all pay for what you have done to me!"

She yelled the last part quite forcefully and began to stomp over to the gallows. The villagers watched on as Fea marched up the steps and put the noose around her own neck. They all stared.

"Well, what are you fools waiting for? Can we get this over with please?" She demanded, crossing her arms and tapping her foot impatiently. They all looked at each other for a second until someone marched up and quickly pulled the lever.

They all watched for a moment in a state of surprise before returning to their homes. The remaing baddies walked their usual ways to the meeting place, quite dissapointed with their loss. The wielder of the looking glass and the Huntsman walked towards their own homes, each of them with a letter from the other tucked safely in their pockets, dreading what the night would bring them.

The dead:
Nienna - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming
Greenie – chopped up by the Robber Bridegroom middle of Day 4 - Cinderella
Aganzir - eaten by the kitties Day 4 – Rumpelstiltskin
Izzy – strangled Night 5 – Fairy Godmother
Fea - dramatic death scene Day 5 - Ugly Stepsister

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Still Night 6, sorry for the lateness.

[wilwarin538]

The wielder of the looking glass sat in her small little home.. She sat in front of her magic mirror for what she knew would be the last time. After saying the words she needed to say she received the role of another player, but knew she would not be able to share the information. She sat herself in her favourite chair and waited, preparing herself. Around midnight she could hear rustling outside and she knew what was coming.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

The villagers awoke to another gloomy morning. They slowly dressed and walked towards the town square. Most of them had felt pretty safe that night, for it had been obvious who would go.

After everyone had arrived they all gathered close together and walked towards Mira’s little home. When they got there everything seemed to be in place outside. They opened the door. Everything was in place here as well.

“Where is she?” McCaber asked, looking under the bed.

“Perhaps she got away?” Eomer suggested, peeking inside the cupboards.

“What’s behind this curtain?” Inziladun asked, pointing at a blue velvet curtain on the wall.

The phantom stepped forward and removed it, revealing the beautiful looking glass. At first they were all examining the frame of the mirror, but then they looked at the glass. It reflected all their faces like it should, and the room behind them, but in the mirror there was someone on the bed. They all stepped back and turned around, the bed was clear. They removed the blankets and checked under it, no one was there. They looked again at the mirror and looked closely. It was Mira, lying obviously dead in her bed.

She had been killed and then trapped inside her precious looking glass. The villagers took one final look at the magic mirror before turning and walking back. Eomer stared at it a second longer while putting the shovel back onto his shoulder and putting the curtain back up.

The Huntsman patted his pocket, keeping safe the final letter he had received from Mira the previous day. He felt quite alone as the discussions began.


The dead:
Nienna - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming
Greenie – chopped up by the Robber Bridegroom middle of Day 4 - Cinderella
Aganzir - eaten by the kitties Day 4 – Rumpelstiltskin
Izzy – strangled Night 5 – Fairy Godmother
Fea - dramatic death scene Day 5 - Ugly Stepsister
Mira - trapped through the looking glass Night 6 - Wielder of the looking glass

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Day 6 is now. You may discuss.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There's a small chance I can keep participating so here's hoping. Don't expect it, though.

I've been re-reading and I'm prepared to argue who I believe is the remaining wolf (I've already said that the other is Gaurcrist or phantom).

But I'll wait for a little while; see if anyone else is awake.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

There's a small chance I can keep participating so here's hoping. Don't expect it, though.

I've been re-reading and I'm prepared to argue who I believe is the remaining wolf (I've already said that the other is Gaurcrist or phantom).

But I'll wait for a little while; see if anyone else is awake.

I'm here, but work issues are going to be a factor today. I'll get in as much as I can.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And what was that with Mira yesterday? Is the Hunter revealing today, and giving us Seer-info?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

And what was that with Mira yesterday? Is the Hunter revealing today, and giving us Seer-info?

I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure it out. If it was a message for the Hunter, hopefully they'll know what to do with it.

[Nerwen]

Hello, I'm here.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

And what was that with Mira yesterday? Is the Hunter revealing today, and giving us Seer-info?

What Seer-info?

All I can think of is that perhaps Mira really dreamed of a still-living player instead of Boro.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Actually, I see now they can communicate only during the day. Scratch that. No more info.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ack, well, almost definitely no internet for me until Tuesday. I'm thinking it would be most beneficial for me to tell you what I know and leave you to it?

Or is the urge to reveal clouding my judgment?

[McCaber]

Well, I'm here for now. I won't have a lot of time later toDay, though. An old friend is rolling back into town.

So right now the score is at two wolves to one Hunter. And the Bridegroom is still on the loose.

Eomer, any information you can give us is going to be helpful. I vote to hear it.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Ack, well, almost definitely no internet for me until Tuesday. I'm thinking it would be most beneficial for me to tell you what I know and leave you to it?

Or is the urge to reveal clouding my judgment?

My thought is that if you are going to be out of pocket that long it would likely do more harm than good to keep what you know to yourself at this point. Your own judgement is best though, as you know what's in your head better than we.

edit- x'd with McCaber

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hehe, sorry McCaber, but my guess is that you're the wolf.

#208 - you assert that the wolves probably just want to cause confusion by killing Lommy. Minor point but I never like this comment.

#280 - more substantially, McCaber suspects Aganzir and Fea here, and is still certain of Boromir's innocence.

#565 - this is what really gets me. He is convinced by Aganzir's guilt at a time when I was still torn between who to believe: Aganzir or Izzy.

And that's why I think you're the other wolf, McCaber: because you seemed to know just too much.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gaurcrist and the phantom - EEEEEVIL!!!

McCaber - sly evil.

Rest: innocent.

Me: Hansel. There are a couple of barely-visible hints in my posts.

Gaan yersel, villagers - gaaan! (That was dialect, not a hint or code - it amuses me, that's all.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Hehe, sorry McCaber, but my guess is that you're the wolf.
#565 - this is what really gets me. He is convinced by Aganzir's guilt at a time when I was still torn between who to believe: Aganzir or Izzy.

Hmm. At the time I too was a bit taken aback by this, as I couldn't figure out why Agan (though undoubtedly deserving of suspicion) suddenly was brought into the forefront as the favorite lynch candidate when so much about Izzy had not been addressed.

edit- x'd with Eomer- and a Hansel reveal!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

#565 - this is what really gets me. He is convinced by Aganzir's guilt at a time when I was still torn between who to believe: Aganzir or Izzy.

You may well be right, Eomer – but I can't remember at what point he said that.
Aganzir did pretty much give herself away eventually that Day. (I'll check the context.)

As for the question of revealing– can I just assume my Captain Obvious guise and point out that we don't have a Ranger anymore?

EDIT: X'd with Eomer and Inzi.

[Nerwen]

Well, well. Out of curiosity, who did you use your powers on each Day?

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm here and packing up my room, but I am wondering what that was about the Hunter and the Seer being together. I do wonder what was told to the Hunter.

Now to believe Eomer's reveal is the question, but since it seems like he really needs to leave then its probably legitimate.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Now to believe Eomer's reveal is the question, but since it seems like he really needs to leave then its probably legitimate.

Well, if Eomer provides a list of who he... er... hanselled each Day, we can see if it adds up.

I personally am fairly sure he's telling the truth– but then I was wrong about Fea.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, I took away Lari's vote for phantom first day: wasn't fussed about which one of the top suspects died (couldn't choose between them, really). Second day it was Gwath's vote for Boromir I took away - that was a crazy and hectic end where I kept switching back and forth on Mithalwen.

Next two days were obviously meaningless.

I know there's no Ranger; I'm also not certain the wolves will kill me (in order to try and make the village think I'm up to no good). But I think it's early enough to reveal. ie. if there's a competing claim today then fine: the village has caught the wolf (either me or my challenger).

But as yoú'll see, no-one other than tp or Gaurcrist will claim this because it completely gives them away.

So I think I can objectively say you can trust me.

[McCaber]

So I am a wolf now, eh? Let me try and allay some fears here before we go jumping to conclusions.

My early vote for Agan was because my prior suspicions of her matched up with a seer claim, and I figured that lynching her was the best way to test the truth of it.

I believed Boro because he was dropping gifted hints and I wanted to see how that played out. Sadly, I completely missed Mith's hints of the same.

As for Lommy's reason for dying, that was one I just dropped the ball on. I was thinking and I forgot that other people were. Thinking, that is.

In other news, I still have no idea what tp is trying to accomplish. He's either the most brazen wolf I've seen in a long time or the Bridegroom trying to attract attention away from the real villains.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Perhaps we should lynch phantom: it's possible that Gaurcrist is just an innocent bringing his own brand of craziness to the show, but phantom is definitey awry.

++THE PHANTOM

Die, fiend, die!

Wel, I've given you my thoughts. It's in your hands now, villagers.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Eomer

And what was that with Mira yesterday? Is the Hunter revealing today, and giving us Seer-info?

Come on, now. Don't you know?

Mira didn't want to reveal the Hunter for it would ruin his chances of being Night-killed and taking out a Wolf. Not to mention the fact that it would tell the Wolves clearly who to kill the following Night. If the Hunter could but survive today, he could then reveal tomorrow (if he wants) when the odds of hitting a Wolf are improved.

Anyway, as far as your Hansel power, you ought to just make your best guess at a Wolf and then Gretel can give you extra vote power. But what about her? Should she reveal as well today? It's not as if the baddies can kill both of you in one night. If one of you is going to reveal, both of you might as well.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by McCaber

In other news, I still have no idea what tp is trying to accomplish. He's either the most brazen wolf I've seen in a long time or the Bridegroom trying to attract attention away from the real villains.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Perhaps we should lynch phantom: it's possible that Gaurcrist is just an innocent bringing his own brand of craziness to the show, but phantom is definitey awry.

++THE PHANTOM

Die, fiend, die!

So the thought has never occurred to either of you that I'm the fourth Ordo (or LRC) attempting to look clearly like a baddie in order to increase the odds that the real Robber Bridegroom will get killed during the Night, or the Hunter. And also so I won't be selected to be turned by the Big Bad Wolf (just in case I'm Red-Cap).

Anyway, the ploy is sort of ruined now, but as I look to be on my way to lynching, I figured I'd better say something at this point. I thought looking like the RB would buy me a lynching pass, but apparently my bluff was so convincing that you're worried I may be a bluffing Wolf.

As far as Mira's code, I maybe figured it out, and so maybe know who the Hunter is. We'll see if I'm right. (when I gave it a try last Night, I actually thought it was you, Eomer )

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

So the thought has never occurred to either of you that I'm the fourth and final Ordo attempting to look clearly like a baddie in order to increase the odds that the real Robber Bridegroom will get killed during the Night, or the Hunter. And also so I won't be selected to be turned by the Big Bad Wolf (just in case I'm Red-Cap).

You're a vexing Phantom, you are. I've been trying to figure you over the course of the game, with little success.
If looking suspicious has been your intent, you may have succeeded too well.
I need to go back and look at some things.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

You're a vexing Phantom, you are. I've been trying to figure you over the course of the game, with little success.
If looking suspicious has been your intent, you may have succeeded too well.

Heh heh...

All right, let's see if I can appeal to your logic since I am sort of difficult to gain a gut feeling on.

Look at when I "revealed" as a baddie. It was when both the Seer and Ranger were still alive, and two Wolves were outed. At that point in the proceedings, would it make sense for a third Wolf to reveal, considering two have been caught already and the Seer still has another dream to use before she dies?

The Robber Bridegroom might well try it, but it is very doubtful that it would be intelligent for a member of the evil foursome to come out at that time. It's downright suicidal. While everyone who has played with me will tell you that it is a trademark of mine to bluff and play mind games, they would also testify to the fact that Phantom always does his best to avoid silly risks and plays the odds. While my behaviors may seem silly at times, I am at my core logical and every move of mine is intended to have pros which outweight any cons.

So there it is. If I'm bad, I'm at worst the Robber Bridegroom, in which case I count for the villagers in the tally and lynching me isn't overly helpful. The point is to lynch the packmates here.

[Lariren Shadow]

Does it even matter if the Robber Bridegroom revels? I mean, if we get the last wolf then we will be able to win even if he is still alive. He did his job, there's nothing we can do to stop him other than lynch him and that's pointless as he counts as one of the villagers(I do have that right, right?).

I'm not sure about lynching the phantom. He makes a lot of sense at times and can be very helpful when he wants to be. I wouldn't want him dead, not especially this close to the end because he might be able to find something we can't.

I'm leaning to believe Eomer about his revel.

I have no idea really about anyone else other than I still don't like Nerwen.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I'm not sure about lynching the phantom. He makes a lot of sense at times and can be very helpful when he wants to be. I wouldn't want him dead, not especially this close to the end because he might be able to find something we can't.

That's what's so annoying about the situation. He goes from sounding evil and scheming to sounding logical and forthright in the blink of an eye. Like this:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Look at when I "revealed" as a baddie. It was when both the Seer and Ranger were still alive, and two Wolves were outed. At that point in the proceedings, would it make sense for a third Wolf to reveal, considering two have been caught already and the Seer still has another dream to use before she dies?

That's a fair point, I must admit.
I want to think about McCaber some more, as well as Kath and Nerwen.
I'd also like to hear from the two who have yet to check in today.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around?

[Inziladun]

I am, though it's maddening trying to decide whether to believe phantom's latest. I ought to vote for him just on general principles, yet I have some misgivings.
Eomer is apparently convinced McCaber is a wolf. Not sure what I think about that either.

[Nerwen]

I've got some things to say about tp.

Just a moment.

[the phantom]

By the way, wouldn't everyone agree that it would increase voting odds and Hunter pick odds if Gretel also were to reveal as soon as possible?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

By the way, wouldn't everyone agree that it would increase voting odds and Hunter pick odds if Gretel also were to reveal as soon as possible?

As I see it, it might also narrow the field enough for the Hunter to be easily picked off during the Night, with a decent chance still of missing a wolf. It might be advisable to hold off another day, when the choices have narrowed a bit. Could be a calculated risk though.
But then again what do I know?

[Inziladun]

I was trying to stay up for a bit and see what else might come up here, but it looks as if I'm fighting a losing battle.
Still nothing from Kath or Gaurcrist it appears. Should Gaur be lynched? He's been a distraction from the get go, whether intentionally or not, and there's always the chance he just might be a baddie.
Just a thought for everyone to chew over.
I see no reason why I shouldn't be back in time for the vote.
Good Night!