Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Boromir88]

My guess would be Ee-on-hhwip... I mean hhway

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

What I found was- eh'onweh.

You should rhyme this with something. Phonetics are totally useless across dialects.

[the phantom]

But you could just call him Steve if you want. Easier to rhyme that way.

[Nerwen]

Aganzir is really bugging me... and I don't think it's just paranoia.

We have the earlier example of her persistant attack on Lommy, followed by a very sudden dropping of suspicion. At the time I thought I'd wait and see, as it could be either the action of a wolf who saw she wasn't getting any takers... or of an innocent who'd taken a shower and realised she been over-the-top.

...And then today we have another Legate 180 (or an approach to one, anyway), with yours truly as the subject.

First (#681) she analyses me and concludes:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Nerwen doesn't look very suspicious apart from her reaction to morm, which could be that of an innocent as well. So I'm pretty much at a loss now, because at the same time I know she's capable of all sorts of nasty things and I just wouldn't want to stop suspecting her like this, just to be on the safe side.

Then (#714):

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't like it how I conclude that every person I've been suspecting is probably innocent.

And I want to go to sleep soonishly and I have no proper idea who to vote.

And then:
#730.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Guilty
Nerwen. Okay, her speculation about Cab's death and reaction to Ilya & Brinn's reactions is suspicious, plus her fierce defense of herself.

Apart from the fact that it wasn't a "fierce" defence– as you may recall, I merely said that I was insulted morm would think I'd use such an amateur tactic if I were a wolf– there is nothing between these two posts. I didn't post and nobody made a case on me. In fact the only thing that happened was that morm voted me.

She goes from seeing me as not very suspicious (but not wanting to dismiss me, based on her knowledge of me, which I think is fair enough) to deciding I'm guilty... based on the same evidence.

Huh?

Now, I don't think I'm being biased... Aganzir is being very erratic, and doesn't seem to feel the need to explain. I don't know what it means, since it seems too clumsy for an Aganwolf... but it's not something I can ignore either.

Thoughts?

EDIT: x'd with a legion.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But you could just call him Steve if you want. Easier to rhyme that way.

I approve. Eonwe will henceforth be named Steve.

[the phantom]

You notice that the pronunciation looks Canadian?

[Boromir88]

I could cancel your participation in this village permanently. I win. ~Fea

Drat, I should have learned my lesson from Mith, to never cross paths with a woman when moddessfire is on the line.

[Boromir88]

There you go Nerwen, putting us back to work.

Anyway, my thoughts, are Agan's harmless. Unless you're a wolf, because she's a pretty intense investigator and interrogator.

Edit: P.S. Oh great, I probably just signed Agan's death warrant now. Sorry my lady.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Drat, I should have learned my lesson from Mith, to never cross paths with a woman when moddessfire is on the line.

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

P.S. Oh great, I probably just signed Agan's death warrant now. Sorry my lady.

If you did, then I'm going to be ticked. Seriously- if Agan's dead tomorrow I will attack you without mercy!

[Boromir88]

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

True statement, but can you in some way shape that to be a Princess Bride reference? I don't think so, therefor the more valuable lesson is the one that you can remember.

[Nerwen]

I'm not getting any strong wolf-vibes from her either... but I'm thinking I can't trust her judgement in this game now whatever she is.

There. Signature erased.

EDIT: x'd since Boro at #768.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You think I can't shape a statement any way I want it should the mood strike me? Inconceivable.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shouldn't be immensely difficult to rhyme with "ay-on-way".

[Nerwen]

While I'm at it, Boro, if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you.

EDIT" x'd with Fea and Shasta.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Shouldn't be immensely difficult to rhyme with "ay-on-way".

Psh. Way too late. I already wrote the poem with Steve as its subject.

[Boromir88]

tp...what is it that you said about questioning your means but never your motives? You should really read your own book.

[satansaloser2005]

Gah! Yes, I know. I suck.


*waves hands in the air* I'm here! I'm here!



Okay, madcap last couple days. (Sorry about not stopping by to vote for a rep, but by the time I'd gotten back from work and had everything sorted it was deadline or after. For the record, I was going to vote for Agan or....Boro, if my memory serves me properly. Hey, I guess I got represented pretty well after all!) Anyway, hopefully my participation will even back out again. And by even out I mean....you know....exist. Bah, I feel like such a slacker.


I just got home, so I'm going to plug in my computer and see if I can't get some thoughts posted before the deadline. If I don't make it back, rest assured that I'll have lots to say toMorrow.

~~Sally~~

[Boromir88]

You think I can't shape a statement any way I want it should the mood strike me? Inconceivable.~Fea

I don't believe I've ever understimated your skill.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Fea

I rather think the more valuable lesson for you to learn is to never cross paths with a woman in general and expect to win.

Indeed, it's a very basic principle that all guys need to understand going into a relationship.

See, if you show your lady that she's wrong she becomes angry. And when people in general get angry they lose some of their rational reasoning skills. So, as she loses those skills you'll start scoring more points in the argument. And that will cause her to be even angrier. Eventually she'll be too angry to see the truth no matter how wrong she is, because you can't think straight when you're super upset.

Thus in her mind there is literally no way you can ever win an argument. If she's right then she's right and you lose. If she's wrong then she gets so mad that you can't convince her so you still lose.

Pretty simple really.

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. Sorry, this just caught my eye.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Gwath and Eonwe are both under the radar with me. And where's Sally? If any of those three were lynched, I probably wouldn't shed too many tears. (Sorry guys!)

Oi! Of all people, the other theater kid should understand how busy I am a week before show. (No, I'm not in it, but I have been doing some costume work and whatnot) Gosh! *throws a hissy fit and goes back to her trailer*



(And before you ask, yes, I'm kidding. Enough of the Silly/Busy Sally Show. I have more posts to read.)

[Boromir88]

While I'm at it, Boro, if you keep saying stuff like that I'm afraid I'm going to have to start suspecting you.~Nerwen

No need, I'm going to move to strike this entire lame duck period off the record, and therefor it would have never existed.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

tp...what is it that you said about questioning your means but never your motives? You should really read your own book.

Whatever. I know every book relating to WW backward and forward. If you think I'm missing something, I just want you to think I'm missing something.

So, I suggest that you stop giving me reading assignments, or so help me I'll start that Boro-Nog war I threatened and I'll back your opponent.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Think it this way: you're a wolf and want to bluff by doing something you would never do as a wolf. When someone suspects you of it, is it better for you to say "I would never do so as a wolf" or wait till someone else says "He would never do so as a wolf"? The former is more suspicious.
Now, you're a newbie wolf. You might be suspected if you said "I did it just because I'm new, no-no I didn't have any dark intents," but if you suggested subtly that it might have happened because you're new and don't quite know how to react to different situations, it would be easier for people to believe it since it would feel more like they had come up with it themselves. What struck me as suspicious in Ilya was how she looked like she was consciously and carefully trying to use the less suspicion-raising manner.

Do you get my point?

Agan makes an interesting point here. Ilya seems a bit too smooth for a newbie, I must stay. Now I'm not saying that new players automatically suck, but she's been too smooth (smooth? maybe just well-integrated) for a new player. It worries me a bit. I'll have to take a good look at her at some point, but for now I'm going to just keep an eye on her. (And by at some point, I obviously mean as soon as I get a chance)

[Boromir88]

Whatever. I know every book relating to WW backward and forward.~tp

Haven't you written every book relating to WW?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Aganzir: Her way of tracking wolves and posting annoys me. Also I have trouble telling apart what is just “normal” Aganzir and what is suspicious, so I would also like her to go simply to make my life easier. Also I don’t get why it is much more suspicious to say you’re a newbie in subtle way, than doing it straight forward. (ok Boromir just explained it, I don’t know what to make of it)

Now I know he doesn't give it as his ONLY reason, but you want to kill her because you don't like the way she catches wolves? (Well, he says tracks, but still. Potato, etc.) This leads me to wonder. Do you not like her around because mehbe she's on the right track with her wolf tracking? Hmmmm....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

My earlier, rather incomplete case can be found here. I'm not going to discuss things already treated with there unless I have something new to add.

Ilya's been flip-flopping a bit. In 407 she said she will vote for the one she's the most suspicious of, but a little before she had noted she didn't want to vote anyone who already had a vote (including Legate). In 407 she explained her reasons for not wanting to vote those three people, though. The only person she mentioned apart from them was me (and my backing off of Lommy which parroted what a lot of other people had said etc etc), which, given the context, seems to suggest she was considering voting for me.

She admitted her Legate vote was bandwagoning, and said it looks fishy because it's safe, but she also suggested her newbieness might have to do with it. The latter was a remark I didn't particularly like but that's been discussed already. However, I just realised that one reason I didn't like it was that she doesn't play like one might expect a newbie to play but comes up with things herself and suspects people, at least to some extent.
Also, she kind of put the blame of her joining the bandwagon on Boro; "..to do exactly what Boro did to me yesterday: cast a vote with authority, and convince me to jump on the bandwagon."

She didn't know what to make of the Agan/Lommy brawl and feels there's something wrong in there. Also, she was suspicious of me for a reason she didn't know (later told she had found my reasons for voting Brinn for rep weird, especially that "she won't be the centre of attention" part, but they didn't feel as suspicious anymore now that she knew where her suspicions came from).

Ilya planned to vote Rune for rep, but when Lommy received three votes, she said she could vote Boro instead so there would be two people with three votes.

As for her suspicions today, she said that if Eönwë doesn't start posting with more substance she might get suspicious, she had a gut thing against me, Nog made her raise her eyebrows with his contradictory stuff, and she was not exactly suspicious but watchful towards Brinn. She voted the reasonable & reasonably funny Rune for rep.

Ilya is pretty quick to admit it if she has made mistakes (ie suspicious things). That's generally a good thing I guess, but Rune also had a valid point when he said


I can agree with Lommy that Ilya has looked much more innocent today. However I have no idea if that is because her fellows have had a chance to give her advice in the night or if she's just got more used to the game. Her defense and the reasons she gave for the things she did look pretty genuine though, and she kept her cool pretty well even when accused.

I'm not very concerned about her right now. Still going to keep an eye on her, but I don't think I'm going to vote her.

edit: xed with Eönwë and Gwath

Re: Ilya. And again, I'm quoting Agan. Dang it, this is the beginning of a very bad habit. *frustrated face*

Anyway, she has changed in subtle ways from yesterDay. I'm not sure it's pack coaching though. I know last game (and I don't mean this in a bad way) I was afraid to give Gollum playing suggestions for fear that it would make him stick out more, so I just left him to play the way he had been (again, not to say there was anything wrong with that, but....anyway, I digress). It could have just been her getting used to playing here. But either way, yes, she's done some things differently and though she has some good points I still feel uneasy about her.


EDIT: P.S. I have no idea what's going on votewise, by the way. I was going to look, but I knew by the time I'd done that the day would be over and I'd have said nothing. If anyone could do a vote tally that'd be amazing. (Not that it matters much now anyway, but I don't really want to talk a whole lot about someone and then be like "oh, they're lynched, there was time wasted"

EDIT #2: Watching Fantasia while posting this. LOVE THAT MOVIE!

[the phantom]

I just realized that I'm approaching post #3000. I should've filibustered today so I could be sure to reach that historic number during this village.

Boro- yeah, pretty much.

[satansaloser2005]

Crap. I'm totally not bolding my posts. I swear, I'll go back in a bit and do them, I'm just working with some bad internets at the moment so be patient.


Alternatively, I love the fact that the moddesses are just popping in and offering commentary of sorts at random points in the game. By commentary I mean snarky comments, but still. It's amusing.



ETA: x'd with Phantom. And I thought of fillibustering just to be a nuisance, but since I didn't know how many votes were in and such I decided it wouldn't be fair.

[the phantom]

You still coming to Omaha tomorrow, Sally?

[Boromir88]

I'm almost up to 4,000 hmmm that gives me an idea

Edit: Oh crap I really am delusional - maybe I can still reach it though, that'd be impressive.

[satansaloser2005]

I saw a vote for Eon at some point when scrolling back up to where I was reading, and although I don't know how he stands lynchwise I'd just like to say that I generally suspect him. Lots of little things, but mostly he just rubs me the wrong way. (In a furry sense, not to say that I don't like him.)

Originally Posted by the phantom

You still coming to Omaha tomorrow, Sally?

Of course!




And I think I'm out of time. Good Night all.



EDIT: x'd with silly Boro. Now off to bold my other posts. No other changes to them though, I promise.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Re: Ilya. And again, I'm quoting Agan. Dang it, this is the beginning of a very bad habit. *frustrated face*

Anyway, she has changed in subtle ways from yesterDay. I'm not sure it's pack coaching though. I know last game (and I don't mean this in a bad way) I was afraid to give Gollum playing suggestions for fear that it would make him stick out more, so I just left him to play the way he had been (again, not to say there was anything wrong with that, but....anyway, I digress). It could have just been her getting used to playing here. But either way, yes, she's done some things differently and though she has some good points I still feel uneasy about her.

I don't know what to make of her either. As you and Agan point out, the change in her posting could be read both ways.

As for what's happening– Eönwë has been lynched. We are waiting for Fea to let us know what he was. (There seems to be a consensus that pleading with her is useless.)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I don't know what to make of her either. As you and Agan point out, the change in her posting could be read both ways.

As for what's happening– Eönwë has been lynched. We are waiting for Fea to let us know what he was. (There seems to be a consensus that pleading with her is useless.)

Ah. Thanks for the update, dear. I assumed as much, but wasn't sure, so I didn't want to waste TOO much time talking about him.


I'm going to shut up now.

[the phantom]

We now await the narrative.

*drum roll*

And Eonwe is....

.... a WerePenguin???

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by tp

I should've filibustered today so I could be sure to reach that historic number during this village.

Because 165 posts on this thread isn't enough for you?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As for what's happening– Eönwë has been lynched.

Yes, poor Eonwe...not only does he get to die, but he'll be forever immortalised as Steve.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

We now await the narrative.

*drum roll*

And Eonwe is....

.... a WerePenguin???

You just made me squeal like a small girl. Hehe!


Oh, and I'm at the Sorcerer's Apprentice scene in Fantasia. Yay!


EDIT: x'd with Brinn. Yeah, I need to look into the Steve thing. I think I'll get quite a kick out of it.

[Boromir88]

Fea, I've been beaten, you win. I will never test you again.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Eonwe is henceforth known as Steve.
His head from his body, the villagers did cleave.
His identity as a wolf the good guys did believe
But when Steve died, they learned that all they did achieve
Was making their jobs harder between now and the coming eve.

---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)

Alive:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Please, they said, kill Aganzir
Or if it’s easier
Just kill the seer.
The choice, of course, for the Moddess was clear:
“Off with her head!” quoth Fea with cheer.
The seer still lives, the wolves cringe in fear,
And I bid you to play, as the Day is now here.

---



Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)
Eönwë/Steve (ordo)
Aganzir (ordo)


Alive:

Boromir88
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom

--

Note: I'm starting the Day in real time because I can and because I'm tired. The wolves should feel free to continue PMing until their actual deadline. I dislike the notion of my impatience disrupting their mod-given rights to plot a full 24 hours.